EPTnon zerg players often seem to assume creep spread is free and equal with any build
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non zerg players often seem to assume creep spread is free and equal with any build | ||
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On May 27 2012 17:24 Azarkon wrote: Violet played mutas vs. Stephano in MLG Spring Arena 2 and crushed him playing roach infestor. The idea behind mutas in ZvZ is that they give you map control and the ability to take a third while denying your opponent's third. The fast infestor player has to stay on two bases until he gets infestors, at which time you, the muta player, is on three bases with six gases and is transitioning to roach infestor yourself. Your infestors are behind his in timing, but you're going to have a higher roach count due to better economy, which carries you into the late-game. Jaedong's transitions were way too late. He was floating 2k minerals because he took the gases on the third late and had no gas for the units he wanted to build. Your analysis has so many gaping holes in it, I don't even know where to begin but I guess I'll try once. JD had map control with ling/banes. Not roaches. AKA he's not going to transition from muta to a higher roach count since he had no roaches to begin with. You're talking about a completely different opening and transition than what JD did in that game. The build you're talking about is going mutas to counter a roach timing attack where you throw down a few spines, hold with spines and mutas, drive his roaches back and kill many of them, deny his third and pick off ovies. There's no way for him to get his third back because he sunk so much gas into a +1 up, speed, and roaches, so his infestors are going to be too slow to defend the mutas. By the time they're out and fungaling mutas, your third's been up for 3-4 minutes and saturated and your roach count is way up. That is NOT what happened in this game whatsoever. What JD did was go ling/bane for pressure and map control. He got countered by roach DEFENSE, not a timing attack. After his bane/ling pressure was blocked, he went straight into mutas and spammed out as many of them as he could while building zero roaches. He spent a long time running around sniping ovies and spore crawlers, eventually took down the third, and then started his own expo. In the meantime. CH just massed infestors on 2 base gas, extended his creep so his queens could defend against mutas, and calmly retook his third, dropping a bunch more spores to defend it from air. JD then dropped 550 gas on double ups, roach speed, and burrow. ALL of this before he ever put down an infestor pit or made any roaches. So, basically, JD spent 1-1100 gas on mutas, 550 on upgrades, and still hadn't built a single roach or infestor. What part of that fits into your strategy of mutas taking map, denying third, and getting ahead in roach count while being slightly behind on infestor timing? Just no. What happened was that 1600 fking gas JD blew on killing nothing but mineral units and buildings, was spent to buy a shit-ton of infestors for CH. Then CH went ahead and retook his third anyway, since JD couldn't sustain map control, thereby equaling the gas income. So... CH is sitting on a massive advantage in gas units, has just as many roaches, and then because he's so far ahead, while JD got infestors, CH added on hydras. Then they clashed. JD had spines and half the amount of infestors with barely enough energy for one fungal. CH had max energy double count of infestors, hydras, and same roach count. And your example of Violet vs Stephano doesn't make any sense because you haven't provided any relevant details. Just saying muta won vs roach/infestor doesn't mean anything. I could go 10 gas muta and beat a 2 gas roach/infestor and then say I won mutas vs roach/infestor. There's a whole sequence of events that need to happen for the muta strategy you're talking about to play out the way I'm guessing Violet and Stephano's game did. Just saying some random stuff about "Violet's mutas pwnt Roach/infestor" is meaningless. | ||
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YESSSS | ||
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DropTester
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 should have been more defensive | ||
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well stephano is his favorit sc2 zerg :D | ||
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