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Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
May 20 2012 08:21 GMT
#3881
On May 20 2012 17:20 Gosi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:18 BLinD-RawR wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:18 tuestresfat wrote:
is lizzy well known in broodwar? sry didn't follow the scene


nope, hes never played a televised match.

Never had a televised match - Debut and become ace on the same day. Not bad, not bad.

Career maker right here!
MC: "Sentry Forcefield Forcefield Marauder... cage Marauder die die"
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
May 20 2012 08:21 GMT
#3882
On May 20 2012 17:20 xOny wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:17 Kaxon wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:15 inbox24 wrote:
For the SC2 buffs of this thread:

How does Effort's skill currently compare to the GSL Code S players at the moment?


Impossible to say for sure without seeing him play against a known SC2 player - but based on that game he looked like he could be at Code S level.


IMO it's impossible to tell because flash put on literally no pressure. with no pressure any average zerg can max out like he did and then roll a terran who doesn't have a high tank count or any marauders/ doesn't split his marines well.


Its not just the no pressure that caused that. It was also the low tank count for that point in the game.
0neder
Profile Joined July 2009
United States3733 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3883
On May 20 2012 17:12 Integra wrote:
Effort maxed out at 10, 11 minute mark, holy shit that was insane.

With no roaches....this is why macro mechanics need nerfing/elimination. Game's too fast!
inbox24
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Australia344 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3884
Hopefully Lizzy pressures this game and we can see how Effort responds to that.
zerglingrodeo
Profile Joined September 2010
United States910 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3885
On May 20 2012 17:17 theBALLS wrote:
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On May 20 2012 17:16 Dreamer.T wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:15 inbox24 wrote:
For the SC2 buffs of this thread:

How does Effort's skill currently compare to the GSL Code S players at the moment?


High Code A, maybe low Code S. Mechanics definitely top tier.

Which orifice did you pull that out from? It's just been 1 match :/


Lol, this is true. We do not have enough information yet. One ZvT decided by a midgame attack is not much to go on.
"This is how philosophers should salute one another: 'Take your time!'' - Wittgenstein
Rhedsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Costa Rica594 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3886
Effort had like 80 drones at 10mins while Flash had 55 and not landed his 3rd CC yet --> no terran pressure no win.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3887
On May 20 2012 17:21 ShynZ wrote:
motive= lizzy?


Yes. He is KT's new ace.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3888
On May 20 2012 17:19 Hot_Bid wrote:
This is the real test now, Motive is GM on KR server.

so is effort, atleast lastshadow said so. dunno how good he knows the ladder but he plays it a lot.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3889
Esports stream has much better quality than sayle its better to view it on it, you can actually see all the info there clearly. You can always put Sayle audio in background. Btw
Stork[gm]
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3890
On May 20 2012 17:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
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On May 20 2012 17:17 Disengaged wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:17 Inflicted_ wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:14 Integra wrote:
I'm calling it, Effort will be good as hell in SC2. He played really good in that game, jesus.


He macro'd really well.* Can't tell how good he'll be (in ZvT), until you see them trying to macro, defend multiple drops and deal with the main army at the same time.


Put him against MMA and see how well he fares against his drops of hell.

I can guarantee you that macro and multitasking is not what is going to set Effort back, the guy is insane at that. What is going to stop him is decision making and tactics, which the BW pros are less experienced in.

"See how he fares against drops" is a silly test if you've ever seen S-class Zergs multitask in BW ZvT.

Regardless, we'll see how he does ZvP against Korean GM, though I suspect if he loses it'll surely be decision making and not mechanical execution.


Yeah considering most BW games end up having 3-4 skirmishes at the same time across the map at all times later in the game I don't think it would be a problem at all for Effort to defend against drops. It's just the strategy and decisionmaking that will take time.
Engdrew
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States890 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3891
On May 20 2012 17:21 Hot_Bid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:17 Disengaged wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:17 Inflicted_ wrote:
On May 20 2012 17:14 Integra wrote:
I'm calling it, Effort will be good as hell in SC2. He played really good in that game, jesus.


He macro'd really well.* Can't tell how good he'll be (in ZvT), until you see them trying to macro, defend multiple drops and deal with the main army at the same time.


Put him against MMA and see how well he fares against his drops of hell.

I can guarantee you that macro and multitasking is not what is going to set Effort back, the guy is insane at that. What is going to stop him is decision making and tactics, which the BW pros are less experienced in.

"See how he fares against drops" is a silly test if you've ever seen S-class Zergs multitask in BW ZvT.

Regardless, we'll see how he does ZvP against Korean GM, though I suspect if he loses it'll surely be decision making and not mechanical execution.



agreed. just look at how fast jaedong reacted to a little warp prism warp-in blip during his game. INSTANT reaction.
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Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3892
Flash needed another 3 tanks and only 1 thor
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3893
On May 20 2012 17:20 Stanlot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:15 inbox24 wrote:
For the SC2 buffs of this thread:

How does Effort's skill currently compare to the GSL Code S players at the moment?

He looked really good but he basically got all his bases up uncontested, which would not happen that often at the highest levels. It's really hard to say without seeing more but he's clearly really good and better than Flash at the moment.


Effort played smart, made all the right decisions, and didn't screw up. And he won.

Flash let him get away with murder, but effort knew exactly what he could get away with, and did.

The game didn't test him very much though, so it's hard to know.
vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3894
People need to stop trying to gauge whether they are code A/S level for now. Firstly, only 1-2 games. Also, the skill between players seem quite different, it is hard to judge skill when you play an inferior opponent, everyone can look good.
520
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2822 Posts
May 20 2012 08:22 GMT
#3895
On May 20 2012 17:22 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:21 ShynZ wrote:
motive= lizzy?


Yes. He is KT's new ace.

It feels so weird to read this... like something's wrong in the Force.
Writer
KingofGods
Profile Joined July 2010
Canada1218 Posts
May 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#3896
Flash didn't have enough production buildings.
tehplank
Profile Joined October 2010
977 Posts
May 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#3897
On May 20 2012 17:13 Hyperionnn wrote:
Effort looked much more better than most of the sc2 pros


Slow down there. Any high level Zerg can look better if they're given an opportunity to drone up
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Integra
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Sweden5626 Posts
May 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#3898
On May 20 2012 17:20 Stanlot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 20 2012 17:15 inbox24 wrote:
For the SC2 buffs of this thread:

How does Effort's skill currently compare to the GSL Code S players at the moment?

He looked really good but he basically got all his bases up uncontested, which would not happen that often at the highest levels. It's really hard to say without seeing more but he's clearly really good and better than Flash at the moment.


what Stanlot said, and to add, Effort did what a Zerg player who expands freely should do, macro like a beast and throw units at the other player, and he did just that. Considering the situation Effort was in he did the correct choice.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
May 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#3899
Flash needed more than one bunker at his front when that first attack hit, and a few more tanks if possible.
Angra
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States2652 Posts
May 20 2012 08:23 GMT
#3900
On May 20 2012 17:22 bgx wrote:
Esports stream has much better quality than sayle its better to view it on it, you can actually see all the info there clearly. You can always put Sayle audio in background. Btw


Or listen to the glorious seductive voices of the sexy Korean commentators!
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