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Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 10:34:26
May 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#2161
I find it funny that Mvp was "slumping" because he fell in the Ro16 and instantly came back via Ro24, while MarineKing hasn't made it past Ro16 since Super Tourny/WC.
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Chezus
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands427 Posts
May 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#2162
I don't know how this happened, but I just read StarTale_Penguin instead of Parting. Kinda like that name better, though.
arew
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Lithuania1861 Posts
May 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#2163
Oh damn, I've no clue what protoss should beat Mvp when he plays like this, he played really great.
Also, 2nd semis comming, hoping for HerO to make it through! Should be cool to watch PvP
750/750 emotions fully stacked
-Celestial-
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom3867 Posts
May 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#2164
On May 10 2012 19:30 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 19:29 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:25 Doublemint wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:22 SupLilSon wrote:
OK. I'm one of the biggest TvP whiners. I am hereby going to STFU about balance and just practice. Might not like how the match up is played, but it's definitely winnable. >.>'


omfg - somebody might have just had an epiphany :D

Fellow terrans - join your enlightenend brethren and please STOP with the massive amount if whining that has been going on the last couple of months.

Someone who usually likes reading LR threads on TL.

as long as protoss players stop whining about losing to timing attacks and all ins, then there wont be a problem. the match up is far from ideal though. on both ends.


How about the match up is horrible beyond repairing? On BOTH sides.


Been arguing that for a while to be honest; don't expect any Terrans to accept that view however. It's easier to whine about how OP and lacking in skill Protoss is because apparently we can just magically build a huge army and conjure up Colossi from nowhere and roll over the Terran.

Ignoring the fact it's an absolute nightmare to GET to that huge army, and one misplaced forcefield or storm or one bad split of templars can be GG.
"Protoss simultaneously feels unbeatably strong and unwinnably weak." - kcdc
Shaddar
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
675 Posts
May 10 2012 10:33 GMT
#2165
I can't help thinking there's something wrong with Protoss race design, all the match ups involving Protoss seem to be the worst to watch. Not sure quite what that is though.
Why is Check 6 afraid of Infinity Seven? Because Infinity Seven Team 8 Day [9]
SolidZeal
Profile Joined October 2010
United States393 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 10:35:59
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2166
On May 10 2012 19:28 architecture wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 10 2012 19:26 SolidZeal wrote:
This is the curse of terran, one could argue that MVP and PartinG are similar in skill. But, terran is better early game and MVP is good enough to force wins through that advantage. Parting is so good late game that he smashes MVP, but has a hard time getting there. This is the reason why Terran have won so many tournaments and the double edge sword that cause so many weak terran players to cry imba. If you can't power out an competitive edge early enough, then get out of terran, cause it's the race of fast beats. And MVP, he's the meanest, fastest terran out there.


This is the curse of Blizzard forgetting how to design a positional game.


How was that game not positional? It was extremely positional, but very fast paced. If the stalkers were any closer to those medivacs the drop would have failed hard, the re-position MVP did just before he dropped won him the game. (I still think parting could have focused fired better)

Even the loss that MVP suffered was because his army started in a terrible position that PartinG spotted with his obs.
In the clearing stands a boxer and a figher by his trade
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2167
On May 10 2012 19:32 Bromazepam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 19:31 Fragile51 wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:30 Bromazepam wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:29 jmbthirteen wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:25 Doublemint wrote:
On May 10 2012 19:22 SupLilSon wrote:
OK. I'm one of the biggest TvP whiners. I am hereby going to STFU about balance and just practice. Might not like how the match up is played, but it's definitely winnable. >.>'


omfg - somebody might have just had an epiphany :D

Fellow terrans - join your enlightenend brethren and please STOP with the massive amount if whining that has been going on the last couple of months.

Someone who usually likes reading LR threads on TL.

as long as protoss players stop whining about losing to timing attacks and all ins, then there wont be a problem. the match up is far from ideal though. on both ends.


How about the match up is horrible beyond repairing? On BOTH sides.


That seems like a great attitude to have. "everything's broken and can't be fixed ("


Sorry, but I can't wait for a random MKP vs Parting to actually enjoy a TvP. When I see a match up my attitude should be "this is gonna be interesting", not "this is gonna be boring most probably".


That's quite a bit different from "broken and can't be fixed.".
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2168
On May 10 2012 19:33 Azzur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 19:31 Zealot Orgy wrote:
MVP in the finals is a shame to the GSL as a whole.

He had the most disappointing display of skill of all the 32 codeS players, and he made it to the finals thanks to a train of allins.

If STC does it, he's called theSTCheese and blamed by everyone, if MVP does it, "OH WELL ITS HIS WRISTS" "GAME GENIE OMFG BEST GOGO 4TH GSL" "OMG DAT PERFECT TIMING"

Who cares?

If protoss plays greedy, they should be allined as punishment. More terrans should allin and force them to play more safe, making the terran standard play better.


Who cares?

If MC did his 2 base aggressive play to go this far TL would be all over him.
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
NR
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Romania109 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2169
Time to cheer for HerO...woohoo...Liquid hwaiting time!!
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2170
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MKP|Maru|TaeJa|Mvp|Polt|INnoVation|GuMiho|Bomber|GoOdy|TeamTerran
VitiumHK
Profile Joined May 2012
United States32 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2171
Hero fighting
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klops
Profile Joined June 2010
United States674 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-10 10:35:05
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2172
On May 10 2012 19:32 Pazuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 19:31 Zealot Orgy wrote:
MVP in the finals is a shame to the GSL as a whole.

He had the most disappointing display of skill of all the 32 codeS players, and he made it to the finals thanks to a train of allins.

If STC does it, he's called theSTCheese and blamed by everyone, if MVP does it, "OH WELL ITS HIS WRISTS" "GAME GENIE OMFG BEST GOGO 4TH GSL" "OMG DAT PERFECT TIMING"


so much anger...he played standard in 3 games...


the idiots are out in full force tonight unfortunately.

mvp played 3 of the most standard tvp's you can play. it's not his fault parting blows at dealing with double medivac timings and likes to walk down his ramp at the definition of "anti-timing".
gideel
Profile Joined January 2011
1503 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2173
HEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRR0o0o0o0o0o0o0o
CursivE
Profile Joined February 2012
Australia317 Posts
May 10 2012 10:34 GMT
#2174
On May 10 2012 19:32 Pazuzu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 19:31 Zealot Orgy wrote:
MVP in the finals is a shame to the GSL as a whole.

He had the most disappointing display of skill of all the 32 codeS players, and he made it to the finals thanks to a train of allins.

If STC does it, he's called theSTCheese and blamed by everyone, if MVP does it, "OH WELL ITS HIS WRISTS" "GAME GENIE OMFG BEST GOGO 4TH GSL" "OMG DAT PERFECT TIMING"


so much anger...he played standard in 3 games...


You missed his point. Out of the round of 32 players... Not this set in isolation.
MC || HuK || MMA || Squirtle || TLO || Sea || HerO || MarineKing || MVP || NesTea
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
May 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#2175
LOL nestea sitting at home, all bitter and such..
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
May 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#2176
On May 10 2012 19:33 Valikyr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2012 19:31 Lockitupv2 wrote:
He wont pass the Ro32.
He wont pass the Ro16.
He wont beat Naniwa.
He wont beat Parting.
He wont win the finals.

You're running out of chances haters.

That's kinda true lol. Seems like ppl have doubted MVP this entire season.


As a MVP fan, I've been doubting him the entire season. Every interview he mentions how much his wrists hurt, his micro has definitely fallen from what it used to be. He didn't fly to IPL4 to rest. Had me worried entire season.

Yet here he is~
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
May 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#2177
gogo HerO!!!!
zocktol
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany1928 Posts
May 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#2178
I am so happy, that there will be no Balance whine during this match :D

SO happy. Hopefully Hero and Squirtle doe really good shit
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
May 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#2179
Whining is just too mainstream these days. So many people thinking their race is what's holding back their pro-gaming career.
teamamerica
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States958 Posts
May 10 2012 10:35 GMT
#2180
On May 10 2012 19:25 Talaris wrote:
Show nested quote +
One huge drop can win you games, yet people QQ about Protoss late game...

Thats SC2... if those feedbacks or the first Stalker volleys would have killed 2 of those 4 medivacs before fully unloading, it would have went the other way =/
Kinda like Parting got 5-8 free marines/marauders and 2 medivacs "for free" in Game #3 making that game seemingly one-sided as well =/

Oh well, thats PVT, 1 bad engagment and its over, still a nice series - just too short for a semfinals in the most important tournament in the world XD


I don't understand this 'that's sc2' argument being applied to this game. Yes if you fuck up and let your opponent doom drop your base, you'll lose. His obs position wasn't as good as it could be. For example, he could have had 2 obs around the unpathable areas of the base and pretty much be able to see every possible drop area + obs can't be sniped. His obs was out of position (the first one), and the second one got there too late.

Same thing happens in BW...people are just so good in that game now you don't see stupid mistakes like that. Flash almost had huge comeback vs Fantasy doomdropping his main, he was just behind already so it barely didn't work. MVP wasn't behind, his drop worked out enough to win.

Parting lost game one for a huge anti-timing moveout and messing up his forcefields.
Parting lost game two by forgetting how to respond to 1-1-1.
MVP lost game three by miscontrolling his army.
Parting lost game four by fucking up as I explained earlier.

The only reason MVP won game 1,2,4 and four were by Parting messing up (game four being the most excusable imo). But when MVP consistently plays people who don't make stupid errors, he'll have to evolve his play, as will Toss when they play Terrans who can consistently engage lategame well.

As people get better you won't see errors like this and so games will be longer, or at least I think and hope they will.
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