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On April 23 2012 15:07 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:00 Bagration wrote:On April 23 2012 14:55 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 14:53 Bagration wrote:
With this win, I think Thorzain will be offered a Code S seed for Season 3. Season 2 ends on May 19, so Season 3 will be soon after. In terms of large tournaments, there's still Spring Arena 2 in that time. If TZ does well there (~top 4?) he should get the seed, I say. DH by itself isn't that much, he didn't take out thatttt many top-tier koreans/foreigners. Thorzain is a foreigner. Let's face it: That plus him winning a premier event essentially locks him a seed unless another foreigner wins Arena 2. Stephano is pretty much confirmed as a seed, and if TZ does well in Arena 2 i think he'll be one as well. However, if MKP, MMA, DRG fall out of code S (ie can't make it back) for some reason, they should get the seed over TZ I think? They weren't averse to bringing Polt back in. Violet's a possibility if he wants the seed (and is a zerg too). Oh, and I forgot Iron Squid. If Symbol wins that... maybe him?
They're probably only going to give seeds out (or at least prioritize) to those who have fallen out of Code A completely. Both MKP and MMA are guaranteed to be as they will fall/fell to Ro24/32, so they can't fall out, while DRG and Symbol already won their matches so they're guaranteed at least Code A next season.
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On April 23 2012 14:45 Aegers wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 13:13 enemy2010 wrote:
Holy fricking production value!!!!
Most awesomest and most fitting music I have ever seen, really always at the spot, underlining every epic moment!
Free highest quality stream!
Awesome casters and interviewers, Apollo and Wolf doing a great job, and iNcontroL being so funny as always and making the intercections so much entertaining, also being a great great caster!
Most fitting overlays and designs!
Dreamhack is just killer! Great great entertainment, guys! That's how a StarCraft tourney has to be like. You are state-of-the-art! This comment was on the money! I had a great weekend, i can't emphasize enough about the production quality, it was superb! Thanks Dreamhack and to the sponsors! And yes, i will be going to the next dreamhack!
Welcome to TL. Have fun at the next dreamhack, take a few shots for me.
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So for everybody who couldn't watch the finals, here's the link to the twitch.tv vod Dreamhack Eizo Open Grand Finals.
Starts at 7h 27m if the link doesn't work correctly.
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On April 23 2012 09:59 legaton wrote:
Did the stream break 65000 persons during the finals? In Dreamhack Winter 2011, they peaked at 94,932 concurrent viewers. Even with the foreign language streams (add a couple of thousands), it seems to me the tournament was less popular.
As a side note, the tournament format was dreadful, three different group stages!? I think i saw like 10 minutes of dreamhack the first day as most games were 100% unconsequential and uninteresting (pros v/s mid-masters nobodies).
Grats to Thorzain.
Actually the format was good. You just need to learn the right way of watching DH. Open like 8+ streams with games and look for the one that you would like to see.
3 Group stages worked nice in weeding out the players - way better than typical double elim bracket
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On April 23 2012 15:16 opterown wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:14 Bromazepam wrote:On April 23 2012 15:07 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 15:00 Bagration wrote:On April 23 2012 14:55 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 14:53 Bagration wrote:
With this win, I think Thorzain will be offered a Code S seed for Season 3. Season 2 ends on May 19, so Season 3 will be soon after. In terms of large tournaments, there's still Spring Arena 2 in that time. If TZ does well there (~top 4?) he should get the seed, I say. DH by itself isn't that much, he didn't take out thatttt many top-tier koreans/foreigners. Thorzain is a foreigner. Let's face it: That plus him winning a premier event essentially locks him a seed unless another foreigner wins Arena 2. Stephano is pretty much confirmed as a seed, By whom? Pure speculation or there's been an official word? Speculation, since he announced on twitter he'd be going to KR in about a month and a half to train - which is right when GSL 3 starts 
I don't know how much good would being in the next CodeS season do to him. His chances aren't that high at the moment, in my opinion, and while he certainly isn't the type who gets demoralised by a loss the risk of getting crushed in the first round I'm sure appeals to nobody.
It might have been worth a try if he still had only 4 months in SC2, but since he extended his time to 16 I'd much rather have him train hard for one season and then crush faces for the next one.
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On April 23 2012 15:33 Bromazepam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:16 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 15:14 Bromazepam wrote:On April 23 2012 15:07 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 15:00 Bagration wrote:On April 23 2012 14:55 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 14:53 Bagration wrote:
With this win, I think Thorzain will be offered a Code S seed for Season 3. Season 2 ends on May 19, so Season 3 will be soon after. In terms of large tournaments, there's still Spring Arena 2 in that time. If TZ does well there (~top 4?) he should get the seed, I say. DH by itself isn't that much, he didn't take out thatttt many top-tier koreans/foreigners. Thorzain is a foreigner. Let's face it: That plus him winning a premier event essentially locks him a seed unless another foreigner wins Arena 2. Stephano is pretty much confirmed as a seed, By whom? Pure speculation or there's been an official word? Speculation, since he announced on twitter he'd be going to KR in about a month and a half to train - which is right when GSL 3 starts I don't know how much good would being in the next CodeS season do to him. His chances aren't that high at the moment, in my opinion, and while he certainly isn't the type who gets demoralised by a loss the risk of getting crushed in the first round I'm sure appeals to nobody. It might have been worth a try if he still had only 4 months in SC2, but since he extended his time to 16 I'd much rather have him train hard for one season and then crush faces for the next one.
Hahaha, inb4 he no-shows to the GSL matches... that would be catastrophic.
But he's a zerg, and a good foreigner, and will bring viewers for sure. If he gets an okay group like Nani's he can advance :D
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On April 23 2012 15:33 Bromazepam wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:16 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 15:14 Bromazepam wrote:On April 23 2012 15:07 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 15:00 Bagration wrote:On April 23 2012 14:55 opterown wrote:On April 23 2012 14:53 Bagration wrote:
With this win, I think Thorzain will be offered a Code S seed for Season 3. Season 2 ends on May 19, so Season 3 will be soon after. In terms of large tournaments, there's still Spring Arena 2 in that time. If TZ does well there (~top 4?) he should get the seed, I say. DH by itself isn't that much, he didn't take out thatttt many top-tier koreans/foreigners. Thorzain is a foreigner. Let's face it: That plus him winning a premier event essentially locks him a seed unless another foreigner wins Arena 2. Stephano is pretty much confirmed as a seed, By whom? Pure speculation or there's been an official word? Speculation, since he announced on twitter he'd be going to KR in about a month and a half to train - which is right when GSL 3 starts I don't know how much good would being in the next CodeS season do to him. His chances aren't that high at the moment, in my opinion, and while he certainly isn't the type who gets demoralised by a loss the risk of getting crushed in the first round I'm sure appeals to nobody. It might have been worth a try if he still had only 4 months in SC2, but since he extended his time to 16 I'd much rather have him train hard for one season and then crush faces for the next one.
With all these protoss players in Code S? Stephano gonna have a field day its gonna be like candyland for him
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hold on there mlg imma let u finish but, Dreamhack held the best event of all time
OF ALL TIME!
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Thanks Deamhack good event, lots to improve on though and please don't hire that interviewer again, he was the weak link of the coverage all weekend long and has had a chance,
All the others did a great job and I can see Incontrol doing more of that role in the future
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On April 23 2012 15:43 znow1 wrote:
hold on there mlg imma let u finish but, Dreamhack held the best event of all time
OF ALL TIME!
It's been a while since I last heard this meme.
But in all seriousness, props to DH for a great event.
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With all these protoss players in Code S? Stephano gonna have a field day its gonna be like candyland for him
I dunno. Stephano hasn't really played much vs Korean Toss. Beat JYP, even with Inori and lost to MC. Not saying he won't do well but we don't know yet. And most of the terrans in Code S now are TvZ monsters (Jjajki, MMA, MVP, Taeja, MKP). Stephano has a tough time with Polt and Polt is not known in Korea for his vZ at all. Probably his weakest matchup.
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On April 23 2012 15:25 mandigal wrote:So for everybody who couldn't watch the finals, here's the link to the twitch.tv vod Dreamhack Eizo Open Grand Finals. Starts at 7h 27m if the link doesn't work correctly.
Thanks man! ^^
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On April 23 2012 15:28 Frankon wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 09:59 legaton wrote:
Did the stream break 65000 persons during the finals? In Dreamhack Winter 2011, they peaked at 94,932 concurrent viewers. Even with the foreign language streams (add a couple of thousands), it seems to me the tournament was less popular.
As a side note, the tournament format was dreadful, three different group stages!? I think i saw like 10 minutes of dreamhack the first day as most games were 100% unconsequential and uninteresting (pros v/s mid-masters nobodies).
Grats to Thorzain. Actually the format was good. You just need to learn the right way of watching DH. Open like 8+ streams with games and look for the one that you would like to see. 3 Group stages worked nice in weeding out the players - way better than typical double elim bracket
I'd prefer to seed like 48 or 32 players directly into the second groupstage (i.e. based on DH Performance in the Past) and have the rest battle it out for the other slots. This way they'd have had a first groupstage which would've been smaller (full groups) and more meaningful. Seeing 2 Player groups played out was pretty meh imo. And I think for most matches the skill difference would be smaller in the first groupstage. At least I would rather see 2 (local) players on the same skill level battle it out than tons of one sided trashings.
From group stage 2/3 on I enjoyed the tournament pretty much but especially the first day wasn't really interesting in my opinion :/
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On April 23 2012 16:46 Neelia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 15:28 Frankon wrote:On April 23 2012 09:59 legaton wrote:
Did the stream break 65000 persons during the finals? In Dreamhack Winter 2011, they peaked at 94,932 concurrent viewers. Even with the foreign language streams (add a couple of thousands), it seems to me the tournament was less popular.
As a side note, the tournament format was dreadful, three different group stages!? I think i saw like 10 minutes of dreamhack the first day as most games were 100% unconsequential and uninteresting (pros v/s mid-masters nobodies).
Grats to Thorzain. Actually the format was good. You just need to learn the right way of watching DH. Open like 8+ streams with games and look for the one that you would like to see. 3 Group stages worked nice in weeding out the players - way better than typical double elim bracket I'd prefer to seed like 48 or 32 players directly into the second groupstage (i.e. based on DH Performance in the Past) and have the rest battle it out for the other slots. This way they'd have had a first groupstage which would've been smaller (full groups) and more meaningful. Seeing 2 Player groups played out was pretty meh imo. And I think for most matches the skill difference would be smaller in the first groupstage. At least I would rather see 2 (local) players on the same skill level battle it out than tons of one sided trashings. From group stage 2/3 on I enjoyed the tournament pretty much but especially the first day wasn't really interesting in my opinion :/
Maybe the first group stage wasnt the most enjoyable to watch (I enjoyed it though).
But for the legitimacy for the tournament it was great.
Every player has a even shot at winning. It also helped the players to prove that they are truly the best in EU and at the same time the lesser known player could show their upcomming strengths.
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I actually loved the first groupstage, even if I'd prefer an approach like GSL where every game matters. Nevertheless, it was good to see that relatively unknown players (Forsen, Seiplo, RunA etc.), at least outside the Swedish scene, could indeed measure up to some of the better foreign pros. With proper backing all these guys could have a major breakthrough.
Also, ProxyPanda was like the second coming of ActionJesus.
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On April 23 2012 17:04 Deckkie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 16:46 Neelia wrote:On April 23 2012 15:28 Frankon wrote:On April 23 2012 09:59 legaton wrote:
Did the stream break 65000 persons during the finals? In Dreamhack Winter 2011, they peaked at 94,932 concurrent viewers. Even with the foreign language streams (add a couple of thousands), it seems to me the tournament was less popular.
As a side note, the tournament format was dreadful, three different group stages!? I think i saw like 10 minutes of dreamhack the first day as most games were 100% unconsequential and uninteresting (pros v/s mid-masters nobodies).
Grats to Thorzain. Actually the format was good. You just need to learn the right way of watching DH. Open like 8+ streams with games and look for the one that you would like to see. 3 Group stages worked nice in weeding out the players - way better than typical double elim bracket I'd prefer to seed like 48 or 32 players directly into the second groupstage (i.e. based on DH Performance in the Past) and have the rest battle it out for the other slots. This way they'd have had a first groupstage which would've been smaller (full groups) and more meaningful. Seeing 2 Player groups played out was pretty meh imo. And I think for most matches the skill difference would be smaller in the first groupstage. At least I would rather see 2 (local) players on the same skill level battle it out than tons of one sided trashings. From group stage 2/3 on I enjoyed the tournament pretty much but especially the first day wasn't really interesting in my opinion :/ Maybe the first group stage wasnt the most enjoyable to watch (I enjoyed it though). But for the legitimacy for the tournament it was great. Every player has a even shot at winning. It also helped the players to prove that they are truly the best in EU and at the same time the lesser known player could show their upcomming strengths.
Absolutely agree with this. More starcraft2 to the people! Lets not make SC2 an exclusive club. Dreamhack always has been and I wanna bet it will always be for everyone not only the already cut out pros. In the end the best players will be in the quarters - semis and finals and what the community gained over the first day in terms of experience and good will cant be bought for money. Cut the source of new talent off and you will never grow.
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On April 23 2012 17:10 Nifel wrote:
Also, ProxyPanda was like the second coming of ActionJesus.
Technically should be posted in day 1 thread( i think) but...
Anyone has a link to a vod of that series? or it wasn't casted at all?
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On April 23 2012 17:10 Nifel wrote:
I actually loved the first groupstage, even if I'd prefer an approach like GSL where every game matters. Nevertheless, it was good to see that relatively unknown players (Forsen, Seiplo, RunA etc.), at least outside the Swedish scene, could indeed measure up to some of the better foreign pros. With proper backing all these guys could have a major breakthrough.
Also, ProxyPanda was like the second coming of ActionJesus.
Seiplo and Forsen have both a good reputation in Europe. At least I know them and I wasn't surprised to see them go that far.
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During day 1 of Dreamhack Eizo Open Stockholm there was not a constant stream of high quality matches back to back, this made it a bit dull to follow (during day1). Day 2 however was excellent, I love the single elimination, cause it makes each match count more!
I think that the format of MLG is to prefer, because that format ensure that we get high ranked players playing each other already on day one. Sure it is only to determine seed but it makes into more a 2 day event then the one DH just hosted.
If you could take the best of both worlds...
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On April 23 2012 15:54 CursedRich wrote:
Thanks Deamhack good event, lots to improve on though and please don't hire that interviewer again, he was the weak link of the coverage all weekend long and has had a chance,
All the others did a great job and I can see Incontrol doing more of that role in the future
I agree with this. Overall a nice event, but there are things that can be improved upon. All in all I would have liked a stronger player lineup and I miss 2GD as an interviewer/host. Of course there are other things that could be improved upon, but those are the two things that stood out to me.
Also agree with the Incontrol part, he did an awesome job and I really hope he continues to cast/host etc on the side of being a pro gamer himself.
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