• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:35
CET 11:35
KST 19:35
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket13Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA12
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
Data analysis on 70 million replays A cwal.gg Extension - Easily keep track of anyone soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [BSL21] RO16 Tie Breaker - Group B - Sun 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta Game Theory for Starcraft How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread EVE Corporation Path of Exile [Game] Osu!
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion! Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Health Impact of Joining…
TrAiDoS
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2071 users

DreamHack EIZO Open [Day 2] - Page 135

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 133 134 135 136 137 369 Next
WhosTheSmuRf
Profile Joined April 2012
United States56 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2681
Ret won, but he's not the better player. Congratulations to him though, looking forward to see him play against Polt
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2682
We should be rooting for Ret people, not complaining about balance! These are exciting times!
@x5_MegaFonzie
KaiserJohan
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1808 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2683
DH stream quality is INCREDIBLE!
England will fight to the last American
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2684
On April 23 2012 01:32 Liquid`NonY wrote:
I love to see Ret play solid and win. Even game one, I was so happy up to the 16 minute mark. I completely agree with the way Ret plays ZvP! As long as he can make the correct reads, he has an answer for everything.

Dno Game 1 was the only game I didn't like. Superfast broods is nice, but if Protoss scouts it and drops a stargate around 150 and gets a mothership quick enough, the protoss should have an unkillable army.
Administrator~ Spirit will set you free ~
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2685
On April 23 2012 01:27 Lysanias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:26 ES.Genie wrote:
On April 23 2012 01:25 Hypemeup wrote:
Who is the better player now? HUH?

Ret is clearly better than a GSL finalist. Trollololol.
Yes, he won this match, but no he's not the better player.


Sorry he proved today he is, tomorrow who knows.

I really hate this logic:

-Player A wins a game today: oh he's the better player!!
-Player A loses a game tomorrow: He's no longer the better player!!!

You people have to learn how you write what you want to say, when you say someone is "better" than another one, you're talking about a career long thing, you're talking about trajectory, achievements, and skill shown over a long period of time. If you want to say someone was better in a specific game, then say "Player A was the better player on this specific game or match".

MC can lose a game to Huk, does that make Huk a better SC2 player than MC? No way in hell, MC has proven himself in much greater leagues and has remained relevant to the Protoss lineup. Does that mean Huk played better on that match? well of course, he won, duh.
sc14s
Profile Joined March 2011
United States5052 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2686
On April 23 2012 01:30 blobrus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:29 rblstr wrote:
PvZ is disgusting at the moment.


Apparently you haven't been watching the GSL.

what pvz? there are no zergs left in code s D:
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
April 22 2012 16:33 GMT
#2687
On April 23 2012 01:32 kerpal wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:30 trinxified wrote:
As usual, since Ret is in TL, he is awarded right away to be the better player than Genius, after one series.

Can anyone actually say that Ret > Genius overall with a straight face?

there are tons of really good poker players on this site.

Well I'm not atleast. I only all-in.
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7996 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2688
On April 23 2012 01:32 Spitmode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:31 Tsubbi wrote:
pvz is disgusting? korean pvz winrates are above 70% atm, ret just played much better than genius


what? no they're not. look at the stats released earlier this month, protoss sucks hard against both terran AND zerg.


this seasons gsl winrate is 75%, overall in 2012 it is over 60%

http://www.gomtv.net/records/index.gom?searchType=3&race=P&vsrace=Z&season=2012&leaguetype=0&leagueid=0&gamever=0&mapid=0
tnud
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden2233 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2689
Really nice setup by dreamhack as always. Good games and excellent commentating! for free!
- ಠ_ಠ - | disinfect wrote: AHAHHAHAHA 2DG FUCK ME ALREADY.
Tachion
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada8573 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2690
On April 23 2012 01:32 Plexa wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:31 Tsubbi wrote:
pvz is disgusting? korean pvz winrates are above 70% atm, ret just played much better than genius

thats because all the korean zergs in the gsl ar eplaying like shit atm ~.~ look at someone like line who is actually absurdly good

Line? From what games? his TLPD is fairly empty for recent games....
i was driving down the road this november eve and spotted a hitchhiker walking down the street. i pulled over and saw that it was only a tree. i uprooted it and put it in my trunk. do trees like marshmallow peeps? cause that's all i have and will have.
qbs
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland771 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2691
OMG GO NERCHIO !!!
DeMusliM !!!
TR
Profile Joined February 2011
2320 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2692
On April 23 2012 01:33 KaiserJohan wrote:
DH stream quality is INCREDIBLE!

Agreed. 720+ is so damn smooth and even sound quality is sick!
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2693
On April 23 2012 01:31 -_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:29 0ne wrote:
On April 23 2012 01:28 -_- wrote:
On April 23 2012 01:26 ES.Genie wrote:
On April 23 2012 01:25 Hypemeup wrote:
Who is the better player now? HUH?

Ret is clearly better than a GSL finalist. Trollololol.
Yes, he won this match, but no he's not the better player.



Games first, accomplishments second. bitbybit was a code s players.

Games first? Aldelscott and Goody are better than Mvp and Nestea it's official !



no, i mean look at the games and examine how the players play.

He played better in this series, he is not the better player. Wtf is wrong with you guys? Because of bullshit like this we have a new "best player" every couple days.
No Mvp, no care. ~ the King will be back | Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Phil Heath |
Derrida
Profile Joined March 2011
2885 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2694
I wish Grubby and Sheth was playing here So sad to see them casting Koreans @ MLG.
#1 Grubby Fan.
Olli
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Austria24422 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2695
Did I mention how much I'm missing HerO here? He'd be crushing every face in this tournament about now. Now that Genius is gone I really see Polt winning it.
Administrator"Declaring anything a disaster because aLive popped up out of nowhere is just downright silly."
Andamanen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands915 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2696
It's been a while since I've seen Ret's ZvT. Does he still like muta-ling?
Shelke14
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada6655 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 16:35:46
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2697
On April 23 2012 01:30 sc2holar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:27 Shelke14 wrote:
I'm happy Ret won but wtf was that Genius, what kind of play did he expect Ret to play.. No early harrass, the typical strategy is that roach push and he plays right into it.. Just bad play by Genius..

No early harass? he did a stargate opening, wich is pretty much the only viable "harass" that isnt an all in.

Care to enlighten us what Genius could have done differently? he reacted perfectly to Rets build but its not possible to get out enough colossus/units to hold that stephano push.


Stargate play on that map is highly outdated and Stargate opening plays perfectly into the current meta of three hatch roach push, which is what ret did. He got three Overlords? While I will correct myself and say sure that was early harrass, gimme a break. I would hope Genius would know that it wasn't going to work unless he highly under valued Ret.

Blink stalker heavy warp gate/robo with immortal's would own that opening then getting Archons/high temp and he crushes ret's roach push. (He probably wouldnt have got Hyrda's because there would be no stargate so even if he went for spire, high temp still works)
dragonborn
Profile Joined January 2012
4781 Posts
April 22 2012 16:34 GMT
#2698
On April 23 2012 01:33 hifriend wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:30 dragonborn wrote:
On April 23 2012 01:30 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Honestly think Nerchio will 2-0 Monster easily. He probably has the best foreign ZvZ

sorry, its stephano.

nerchio and stephano are pretty comparable vZ I'd say

Stephano won last 3 bo3 series against Nerchio.
Thrombozyt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
Germany1269 Posts
April 22 2012 16:35 GMT
#2699
On April 23 2012 01:31 Youtakenocandle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2012 01:29 Derrida wrote:
Man, FINALLY A GOOD, IN DEPTH, KNOWLEDGEABLE INTERVIEW WITH THE WINNER OF A GAME IN ANY SC2 TOURNAMENT IN HISTORY OF THE GAME!

*tears of joy*


That's what happens when you let someone that knows whats up do the interview instead of some airhead chick. Not a fan of Incontrol, but he's good at commentating and doing interviews like that.


Guess now we only need to give Incontrol a decent boob job and he will tour the SC2 tournaments forever...
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
April 22 2012 16:35 GMT
#2700
Dreamhack really lucked out that foreigners that could actually win games vs koreans made it to the top of their tournament bracket.
Prev 1 133 134 135 136 137 369 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
07:30
Playoffs
herO vs MaruLIVE!
Tasteless1434
Crank 1171
IndyStarCraft 225
Rex161
3DClanTV 99
CranKy Ducklings87
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 1434
Crank 1171
mouzHeroMarine 275
IndyStarCraft 225
Rex 161
SortOf 50
MindelVK 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 28713
PianO 921
Larva 850
firebathero 458
Killer 271
sorry 116
Last 114
Rush 77
HiyA 34
soO 21
[ Show more ]
Hm[arnc] 20
Purpose 7
Backho 0
Dota 2
XcaliburYe293
League of Legends
JimRising 449
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor175
Other Games
summit1g19836
crisheroes228
Fuzer 148
Trikslyr28
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream22772
Other Games
gamesdonequick657
StarCraft: Brood War
UltimateBattle 55
lovetv 6
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH201
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1310
• Stunt418
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Korean Royale
1h 25m
SC Evo League
1h 55m
IPSL
6h 25m
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
OSC
6h 25m
BSL 21
9h 25m
TerrOr vs Aeternum
HBO vs Kyrie
RSL Revival
20h 55m
Wardi Open
1d 3h
IPSL
1d 9h
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
BSL 21
1d 9h
StRyKeR vs Artosis
OyAji vs KameZerg
OSC
1d 12h
[ Show More ]
OSC
1d 22h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
OSC
2 days
Wardi Open
3 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Tenacious Turtle Tussle
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LAN Event
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.