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On April 23 2012 01:13 eourcs wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. It had nothing to do with Genius, it had to do with a 2-forcefield ramp and sentries.
100%.
Doesn't really matter who the protoss is, the zerg HAS to sit back and tech up in order to kill the protoss.
Ret maybe could have won quicker by going for drop tech or something, but there was no way to finish the game off at 74 vs 175 supply, because the matchup is broken.
Not in terms of balance, but in terms of how it is FORCED to play out in that sort of situation.
In any of the 8 other possible situations where one race has more than double the supply of the other race, they can just walk into the opposition base and stomp them down. ZvP is the one matchup where you can't, basically.
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On April 23 2012 01:15 Soyuz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:13 Lysanias wrote:On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. The map helped Genius aswell, it's not that easy to kill a Protoss on a tiny ramp with forcefields. That doesn't explain Ret's terrible engagement at Genius' third.
No it explains why Genius stayed alive after his 2 base all in. Hi random stuff.
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On April 23 2012 01:14 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:13 eourcs wrote:On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. It had nothing to do with Genius, it had to do with a 2-forcefield ramp and sentries. meh I feel like with drop + overlord speed this game would be over 10 minutes ago.
Lol..no..he just needed burrow movement earlier.
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On April 23 2012 01:14 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:13 eourcs wrote:On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. It had nothing to do with Genius, it had to do with a 2-forcefield ramp and sentries. Down 80 supply and won the engagement.
who cares, ret was on 5 bases with a huge bank and a spine crawler wall.
Roaches are god awful units, I'm sure Ret knew he would take losses but it wouldn't matter because he could remax several times.
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On April 23 2012 01:14 Derrida wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:13 eourcs wrote:On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. It had nothing to do with Genius, it had to do with a 2-forcefield ramp and sentries. meh I feel like with drop + overlord speed this game would be over 10 minutes ago.
He had enough Stalkers to defend drops.
Shakuras is like the ultimate turtle map.
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On April 23 2012 01:15 Plexa wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:14 Derrida wrote:On April 23 2012 01:13 eourcs wrote:On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. It had nothing to do with Genius, it had to do with a 2-forcefield ramp and sentries. meh I feel like with drop + overlord speed this game would be over 10 minutes ago. rets thought process was probably "well I can probably kill him now, but I think if I get hive, expand, upgrade and deny third for as long as possible then I will definitely win"
he really shouldn't think this way because his late game army control is really lacking lol
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For some reason, "King of Drones" sounds quite a bit less badass than "King of Marines".
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Ouch, antiga. No fourth for you Ret!
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On April 23 2012 01:16 ZenithM wrote:
For some reason, "King of Drones" sounds quite a bit less badass than "King of Marines".
Let's just hope nobody will be named "King of Stalkers".
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
On April 23 2012 01:16 ZenithM wrote:
For some reason, "King of Drones" sounds quite a bit less badass than "King of Marines".
Well what would win in a fight, drones or marines?
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On April 23 2012 01:16 NHY wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:14 -_- wrote:
lol at the commentators questioning whether ret is confident because it "took 20 minutes to finish off genius when he was ahead." yes ret could lose. no doubt about that. but the fact is ret has shown himself to better than genius in the first two games of this series. if i was him, i'd be confident. If first 2 games showed anything, it's the opposite.
he as good as won g1. only reason he lost was 1 silly decision. imo, you could compare his loss to move commanding into an army.
i think the great white hopes are currently: stephano, naniwa, huk, and ret.
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On April 23 2012 01:12 Asha` wrote:
Genius shouldn't do timings, he's so much better than Ret that if he plays solid and standard and actually scouts Hive timings he should win easily.
You're so smart, you know these guys better than they know themselves. You should be genius coach.
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Genius should have gone nexus first.
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On April 23 2012 00:57 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 00:55 xrapture wrote:On April 23 2012 00:54 Benjamin99 wrote:
We need Stephano as foreigner coach really this was horrible Ret for what? To tell Ret to 12 min roach all in every game and fail vs any other race? no ty ret > stephano Rofl uh, no.
yeah that is sort of a fallacy.. stephano is certainly a step up from any other zerg foreigner
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On April 23 2012 01:16 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:15 Soyuz wrote:On April 23 2012 01:13 Lysanias wrote:On April 23 2012 01:12 Kaitokid wrote:
supply count was like 50 to 145 in ret's favor and genius is still in the game. Genius is so much better than ret... 3rd game he will play straight up and win easy I think. The map helped Genius aswell, it's not that easy to kill a Protoss on a tiny ramp with forcefields. That doesn't explain Ret's terrible engagement at Genius' third. No it explains why Genius stayed alive after his 2 base all in. Hi random stuff.
Random stuff? and sorry, I quoted the wrong post...
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I hate this map because I always do that as well. The gap between the forge and the nexus is so deceiving 
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Austria24422 Posts
I want Genius to win this tournament so maybe he's gonna get some motivation out of it. He could be on top of the world if only he takes his training seriously, his teammates have said that he doesn't do that a lot of the time.
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On April 23 2012 01:17 JacobShock wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:12 Asha` wrote:
Genius shouldn't do timings, he's so much better than Ret that if he plays solid and standard and actually scouts Hive timings he should win easily. You're so smart, you know these guys better than they know themselves. You should be genius coach.
But would a Genius even need a coach? I mean isn't he a....Genius?
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On April 23 2012 01:17 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:16 ZenithM wrote:
For some reason, "King of Drones" sounds quite a bit less badass than "King of Marines". Well what would win in a fight, drones or marines?
Clearly drones.
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Germany1370 Posts
On April 23 2012 01:17 -_- wrote:Show nested quote +On April 23 2012 01:16 NHY wrote:On April 23 2012 01:14 -_- wrote:
lol at the commentators questioning whether ret is confident because it "took 20 minutes to finish off genius when he was ahead." yes ret could lose. no doubt about that. but the fact is ret has shown himself to better than genius in the first two games of this series. if i was him, i'd be confident. If first 2 games showed anything, it's the opposite. he as good as won g1. only reason he lost was 1 silly decision. imo, you could compare his loss to move commanding into an army. i think the great white hopes are currently: stephano, naniwa, huk, and ret.
Make a "silly mistake": Wow he's so much better. Fuck logic.
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