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On June 10 2012 23:39 RaNgeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 19:58 mikkmagro wrote:
what happened to ranged? why did he not show up against idra? Making a post to remove all speculation on what happened.. So basically on friday night the games lasted until like after midnight if I recall. The schedule was super hectic all day, looking back I feel like NonY had the right idea by choosing only one event, because it was very hard playing both WCS and MLG. Before I left I saw on the board it was written " WCS starts again tomorrow @ 10 am." But since I was all the way at LR8, there were at least a couple of matches that needed to be played before I would actually have an opponent. I went through the player area to the mic, and asked them specifically what time I should be there for my match in the morning. I don't know which admin it was, but they told me to be there by 11 am. So yeah, I went and got some food, went back to the hotel, slept, woke up, and arrived back at MLG a little after 10:20 am to hear that IdrA had got the free win. I asked them if the game could be played then (20-30 minutes after walkover had been given) but they wouldn't allow it. Pretty upsetting; not much else to really say. In the end its basically just a painful learning experience for me..
Sigh. These kinds of cases are just stupid. Like if the admin doesn't know the correct time then he should just go find someone who does know the correct time instead of making up a time and fucking over the players.
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Sibe for a moment and now Vibe.
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That quote from ranged reminded me of something. So just for the record here is EG statement last time Ostojiyi got a 1 map walkover against puma:
"I dont think EG, or any other proteam would willingly give up an advantage like that in such an important match."
Sorry, but I just don't agree with this at all. It's just not true. The larger proteams, who have positive management relationships with each other, very rarely, if ever, force forfeits. If Scott from It's Gosu had been present at the event, I seriously doubt this would've happened. We have a great relationship with him and generally, management from different teams look out for each other.
One thing we in the EG camp are wondering is, why did WBC wait until after the first map had already been forfeited to go and get Puma? Everyone knew that we were scrambling around, searching for him (because we legitimately didn't know where he'd gone), and then WBC went and found him right away. I think it's fair to ask if WBC knew where he was the entire time, or just happened to find him after the first map was forfeited. It's an unpleasant but fair question.
and on the question "don't tell me that you wouldn't want your player take an advantage like that in such an important match."
Seriously? We've never done this to an opposing team's player in an MLG. If anything, the more significant the match, the worse it is to force a forfeit. Like I've mentioned in other posts, large proteams very rarely, if ever, force forfeits. Consider your own team manager's dispute with Check-Six/ESEA in last season's finals. He was so upset because generally, everyone tries to avoid forfeits at all costs and puts forth a good faith effort to play.
I don't think that following the tournament's rules to the letter of the book is mutually exclusive with behaving in an unsportsmanlike fashion. In certain situations, such as this one, they are one and the same. Especially since everyone (MLG admins, my management reps, other people on site) is confirming the same story: that you were basically looking at the clock counting down the seconds until you got a free map.
Bottom line: if Scott had been at the event, he wouldn't have allowed you to do this.
http://reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rbmde/s_gosuostojiy_defeats_puma_21_to_advance_to_pool/c44jc1c
http://reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rbmde/s_gosuostojiy_defeats_puma_21_to_advance_to_pool/c44jhjl
Good to see EG living up to their word.
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Congratz to vibe, glad to see a root player back on top of the na scene, hopefully this will convince potential sponsors that root is worth it. Root fighting, vibe fighting!
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Hell yes!!!! Mad props Vibe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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On June 11 2012 06:41 Disengaged wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 23:39 RaNgeD wrote:On June 10 2012 19:58 mikkmagro wrote:
what happened to ranged? why did he not show up against idra? Making a post to remove all speculation on what happened.. So basically on friday night the games lasted until like after midnight if I recall. The schedule was super hectic all day, looking back I feel like NonY had the right idea by choosing only one event, because it was very hard playing both WCS and MLG. Before I left I saw on the board it was written " WCS starts again tomorrow @ 10 am." But since I was all the way at LR8, there were at least a couple of matches that needed to be played before I would actually have an opponent. I went through the player area to the mic, and asked them specifically what time I should be there for my match in the morning. I don't know which admin it was, but they told me to be there by 11 am. So yeah, I went and got some food, went back to the hotel, slept, woke up, and arrived back at MLG a little after 10:20 am to hear that IdrA had got the free win. I asked them if the game could be played then (20-30 minutes after walkover had been given) but they wouldn't allow it. Pretty upsetting; not much else to really say. In the end its basically just a painful learning experience for me.. Sigh. These kinds of cases are just stupid. Like if the admin doesn't know the correct time then he should just go find someone who does know the correct time instead of making up a time and fucking over the players.
Or you know...be there at the time it says on the board just to be safe... I don't know why people can't just accept the time as a registration time and just go there
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congrats vibe ! one of the hardest working NA sc2 player out there.
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So many grats to Vide, got a nice pay day and showed he's one of the top players in the NA scene.
Nice pickup by Root :D
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Vibe!!!! congrats, rep us well. can't think of a more deserving player!
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Vibe played so well. What a great player.
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zerg op
User was temp banned for this post.
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On June 11 2012 08:43 SilverStar wrote:That quote from ranged reminded me of something. So just for the record here is EG statement last time Ostojiyi got a 1 map walkover against puma: Show nested quote +"I dont think EG, or any other proteam would willingly give up an advantage like that in such an important match."
Sorry, but I just don't agree with this at all. It's just not true. The larger proteams, who have positive management relationships with each other, very rarely, if ever, force forfeits. If Scott from It's Gosu had been present at the event, I seriously doubt this would've happened. We have a great relationship with him and generally, management from different teams look out for each other.
One thing we in the EG camp are wondering is, why did WBC wait until after the first map had already been forfeited to go and get Puma? Everyone knew that we were scrambling around, searching for him (because we legitimately didn't know where he'd gone), and then WBC went and found him right away. I think it's fair to ask if WBC knew where he was the entire time, or just happened to find him after the first map was forfeited. It's an unpleasant but fair question.
and on the question "don't tell me that you wouldn't want your player take an advantage like that in such an important match." Show nested quote +Seriously? We've never done this to an opposing team's player in an MLG. If anything, the more significant the match, the worse it is to force a forfeit. Like I've mentioned in other posts, large proteams very rarely, if ever, force forfeits. Consider your own team manager's dispute with Check-Six/ESEA in last season's finals. He was so upset because generally, everyone tries to avoid forfeits at all costs and puts forth a good faith effort to play.
I don't think that following the tournament's rules to the letter of the book is mutually exclusive with behaving in an unsportsmanlike fashion. In certain situations, such as this one, they are one and the same. Especially since everyone (MLG admins, my management reps, other people on site) is confirming the same story: that you were basically looking at the clock counting down the seconds until you got a free map.
Bottom line: if Scott had been at the event, he wouldn't have allowed you to do this. http://reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rbmde/s_gosuostojiy_defeats_puma_21_to_advance_to_pool/c44jc1chttp://reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/rbmde/s_gosuostojiy_defeats_puma_21_to_advance_to_pool/c44jhjlGood to see EG living up to their word.
Hehe very classy EG.
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Or you know...be there at the time it says on the board just to be safe... I don't know why people can't just accept the time as a registration time and just go there
I agree with this as well, however it also was apparent that MLG was not prepared to run two tournaments at once considering how unorganized the events both were. Players were scrambling to stations and having their names called for one tournament when they were in the middle of a series from the other tournament. A simple resolution to something such as this is to find a better way to keep the players posted. All that needs to be done is to attach a phone number to each Players MLG account and if they aren't there 5 minutes after the match starts, give them a call. From the time of the call give them another 10 minutes or so and then there's no one at fault other than the player's. Sadly such a miss-communication can be very detrimental to a player when they have potential to advanced a bit further into a tournament. This definitely is not the first time this has happened, as it even happened to White-Ra who flew from what, Ukraine?
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On June 10 2012 23:39 RaNgeD wrote:Show nested quote +On June 10 2012 19:58 mikkmagro wrote:
what happened to ranged? why did he not show up against idra? Making a post to remove all speculation on what happened.. So basically on friday night the games lasted until like after midnight if I recall. The schedule was super hectic all day, looking back I feel like NonY had the right idea by choosing only one event, because it was very hard playing both WCS and MLG. Before I left I saw on the board it was written " WCS starts again tomorrow @ 10 am." But since I was all the way at LR8, there were at least a couple of matches that needed to be played before I would actually have an opponent. I went through the player area to the mic, and asked them specifically what time I should be there for my match in the morning. I don't know which admin it was, but they told me to be there by 11 am. So yeah, I went and got some food, went back to the hotel, slept, woke up, and arrived back at MLG a little after 10:20 am to hear that IdrA had got the free win. I asked them if the game could be played then (20-30 minutes after walkover had been given) but they wouldn't allow it. Pretty upsetting; not much else to really say. In the end its basically just a painful learning experience for me..
Oh gods...I'm sorry to hear that's what happened bro. Hang in there. I look forward to seeing you make another run at another tournament. It was truly impressive.
Hopefully, one day someone comes up with a organizational system for these events that can prevent this kind of error.
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