EPT[WCS] USA Qualifiers - R&S - Page 21
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IMHope
Korea (South)1241 Posts
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Holcan
Canada2593 Posts
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Disposition1989
Canada270 Posts
On June 10 2012 04:51 SeungHwan wrote: Been really disappointed with some NA players after watching this event. Many known players played really lackluster and lost to more unknown players either by getting cheesed or making mistakes in their games. or, they arent as good as you thought they were. these "unknown" players are actually good enough for high level teams but didnt have the luxury to be picked up by the big dogs in beta. you saying they only lost by cheese/their own mistakes is an odd thing to say : / | ||
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Gorlin
United States2753 Posts
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
OR, for MLG to find another solution instead of parallel tournaments that last for 12-14 hours a day. Should be easie with a 32 man double elimination bracket.. just have them play Friday, LB/WB/Grand finals on sunday.. and seed them into Open Bracket on early Saturday if they wish. | ||
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Fischbacher
Canada666 Posts
On June 10 2012 05:31 Disposition1989 wrote: or, they arent as good as you thought they were. these "unknown" players are actually good enough for high level teams but didnt have the luxury to be picked up by the big dogs in beta. you saying they only lost by cheese/their own mistakes is an odd thing to say : / I think a big problem is that the big NA based teams tend to only pick up well known names. They don't really develop tallent in the same way Korean teams or even some Euro teams do. | ||
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KeyHunt
United States218 Posts
On June 10 2012 08:40 Fischbacher wrote: I think a big problem is that the big NA based teams tend to only pick up well known names. They don't really develop tallent in the same way Korean teams or even some Euro teams do. Sounds like a reason for you to support the lesser teams who DO support the upcoming players like the one's that did well in WCS. | ||
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TumNarDok
Germany854 Posts
The WCS qualificants have practiced lots harder for this weekend than before and imo it shows. Effect was that some of them really made good runs in the MLG and WCS Another effect shows that the are pretty even skillwise. There is not one player standing out, everyone can beat everyone else it seems pretty much. For the scene thats probably good, for the typical american hype its not good - the fanbois want stars. | ||
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stalife
Canada1222 Posts
On June 10 2012 09:41 KeyHunt wrote: Sounds like a reason for you to support the lesser teams who DO support the upcoming players like the one's that did well in WCS. actually complexity supports unknown players and try to bring them to light with their col academy. They do have bigger names, but they still invest a lot on "breeding new talent" | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Talked to a few players about it, hopefully the Raleigh schedule is better but I doubt it. So much to cram into such little time doesn't leave many options. | ||
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Season
United States301 Posts
On June 10 2012 12:29 LuckyFool wrote: imo having both events together is really bad for players who are doing well in both events. Anyone who had a deep run in WCS and also won a couple rounds of MLG were being called to a match while they're in the middle of another match. Makes it hard to focus purely on one event and probably effected some players play. Talked to a few players about it, hopefully the Raleigh schedule is better but I doubt it. So much to cram into such little time doesn't leave many options. When you say "Raleigh" you just mean the NA WCS tournament right? Like the one that the top 16 from Anaheim will go to? | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Hopefully with just a 32 man event it isn't as bad. I can see why MLG went with a reduced open bracket in Anaheim. Was already really rough Friday and early Saturday. | ||
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PowerDes
United States520 Posts
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
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Anfield
Yemen160 Posts
In my opinion, the opportunity to show the devlopment is close to none unless you upset a big name at MLG (goswser) or Dreamhack, but it happens a lot on ladder/small tournaments. I'm not saying that makes the player better than someone else, but it shows the improvement that is being made. I personally had an eye opening experience playing in two tournaments and the endurance necessary to keep up playing for 10 hours straight. I'm going to have to work on playing more and longer and eat right to just perform well and i think that took place in MLG where so many upsets happened. It was actually mind blowing. but good experience. | ||
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mikkmagro
Malta1513 Posts
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darklight54321
United States361 Posts
On June 10 2012 19:58 mikkmagro wrote: what happened to ranged? why did he not show up against idra? supposedly the times of day2 games got changed early day 1. Ranged says that he was not informed of this (the only player not to be informed apparently) and so he showed up an hour late. | ||
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RaNgeD
United States733 Posts
On June 10 2012 19:58 mikkmagro wrote: what happened to ranged? why did he not show up against idra? Making a post to remove all speculation on what happened.. So basically on friday night the games lasted until like after midnight if I recall. The schedule was super hectic all day, looking back I feel like NonY had the right idea by choosing only one event, because it was very hard playing both WCS and MLG. Before I left I saw on the board it was written "WCS starts again tomorrow @ 10 am." But since I was all the way at LR8, there were at least a couple of matches that needed to be played before I would actually have an opponent. I went through the player area to the mic, and asked them specifically what time I should be there for my match in the morning. I don't know which admin it was, but they told me to be there by 11 am. So yeah, I went and got some food, went back to the hotel, slept, woke up, and arrived back at MLG a little after 10:20 am to hear that IdrA had got the free win. I asked them if the game could be played then (20-30 minutes after walkover had been given) but they wouldn't allow it. Pretty upsetting; not much else to really say. In the end its basically just a painful learning experience for me.. | ||
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LuckyFool
United States9015 Posts
Happened to Catz and Pokebunny at MLG Columbus last year. Games go super late on Friday and they ask ref when to show up next morning, the ref tells a time which is completely wrong. In general scheduling stuff is pretty good and MLG refs are fairly helpful but I think to be safe players should ask multiple people not just one guy at the mic desk. | ||
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iAmBiGbiRd
Australia1029 Posts
On June 10 2012 23:39 RaNgeD wrote: Making a post to remove all speculation on what happened.. So basically on friday night the games lasted until like after midnight if I recall. The schedule was super hectic all day, looking back I feel like NonY had the right idea by choosing only one event, because it was very hard playing both WCS and MLG. Before I left I saw on the board it was written "WCS starts again tomorrow @ 10 am." But since I was all the way at LR8, there were at least a couple of matches that needed to be played before I would actually have an opponent. I went through the player area to the mic, and asked them specifically what time I should be there for my match in the morning. I don't know which admin it was, but they told me to be there by 11 am. So yeah, I went and got some food, went back to the hotel, slept, woke up, and arrived back at MLG a little after 10:20 am to hear that IdrA had got the free win. I asked them if the game could be played then (20-30 minutes after walkover had been given) but they wouldn't allow it. Pretty upsetting; not much else to really say. In the end its basically just a painful learning experience for me.. Bad luck man, you did amazing. I know it won't matter because the result stands but i would kick up a shit-tonne of fuss about that if an admin/ref told you a time then it was not so.....i would be severely pissed | ||
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