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Akhee
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil811 Posts
April 14 2012 08:48 GMT
#1641
On April 14 2012 17:45 Havik_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:43 KimJongChill wrote:
What did I just see...




My thoughts exactly. A 3 gate Stalker pressure kills Nestea?? Unbelievable. I was expecting a 4 gate, but with MC's godly micro, you only need 3 gates. If I try that, even against a Silver league player, I die.


thats not like it will kill everything, he scouted no gas so stalker pressure is much stronger

4 gate is much better for some little time, but 3 gate you can have the option to even expand after forcing a lot of units
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
April 14 2012 08:48 GMT
#1642
On April 14 2012 17:46 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


I can see why people would interpret that as an all-in due to MC's micro making it so much stronger, but 3 gates is hardly an all-in, unless there's something I missed


I don't think it's MC's micro so much as it was Nestea not having any gas at all...


Either way, it wasn't an all-in, unless Nestea not getting gas suddenly makes what MC did an all-in >_>
nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-14 08:50:29
April 14 2012 08:48 GMT
#1643
On April 14 2012 17:44 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


3-gate pressure with stalkers only is all-in now?


It is the way MC did it. He took no expansion, or even an extra gas. If Nestea held MC would have been out of the game as he wouldnt have had eco or tech to fall back on. Though he only went all in, and didnt expand, as he saw he could press his advantage to take the win
Cassel_Castle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States820 Posts
April 14 2012 08:48 GMT
#1644
On April 14 2012 17:47 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:46 eFonSG wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


I can see why people would interpret that as an all-in due to MC's micro making it so much stronger, but 3 gates is hardly an all-in, unless there's something I missed



He cut probes and never took a second gas.


Probe cut != all-in

Seriously people, if MC expanded out of that he was fine, even if he didn't get the hatch. Have we all forgotten already what pressure gate expands are in this age of FFE?


If you're not going to expand off that there's really no reason not to cut at 22 probes and make a 4th gate. MC wasn't all-in.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
April 14 2012 08:49 GMT
#1645
it's not an all in, it was a good build because nestea didnt have speed so MC could just go home with those stalkers as slow lings cant catch them.

it however does put you behind if you dont do any damage. it's a timing attack.
MilesTeg
Profile Joined September 2010
France1271 Posts
April 14 2012 08:49 GMT
#1646
On April 14 2012 17:47 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:46 eFonSG wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


I can see why people would interpret that as an all-in due to MC's micro making it so much stronger, but 3 gates is hardly an all-in, unless there's something I missed



He cut probes and never took a second gas.


Probe cut != all-in

Seriously people, if MC expanded out of that he was fine, even if he didn't get the hatch. Have we all forgotten already what pressure gate expands are in this age of FFE?


How do you defend a roach-ling timing after that? To me against a different build it would've been an auto-loss, but what do I know.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 14 2012 08:49 GMT
#1647
On April 14 2012 17:48 nick1689 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:44 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


3-gate pressure with stalkers only is all-in now?


Its the way MC did. He took no expansion, or even an extra gas. If Nestea held MC would have been out of the game as he wouldnt have had eco or tech to fall back on


No if Nestea held MC would have picked up where he left off immediately upon seeing a crap ton of units. With tech and an expansion. This mistake is so easy to make.
twitch.tv/medrea
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
April 14 2012 08:50 GMT
#1648
On April 14 2012 17:48 nick1689 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:44 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


3-gate pressure with stalkers only is all-in now?


Its the way MC did. He took no expansion, or even an extra gas. If Nestea held MC would have been out of the game as he wouldnt have had eco or tech to fall back on


He chose not to expand when Nestea started to fall apart. If Nestea wasn't straight-up dying to the pressure, that's an expand build off the pressure.
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
Unreliablex
Profile Joined October 2011
141 Posts
April 14 2012 08:50 GMT
#1649
On April 14 2012 17:48 nick1689 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:44 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


3-gate pressure with stalkers only is all-in now?


Its the way MC did. He took no expansion, or even an extra gas. If Nestea held MC would have been out of the game as he wouldnt have had eco or tech to fall back on


Wtf, he was making probes behind it. I was actually paying attention to the production tab, like you may have not.
He was ahead on workers for ages.
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
April 14 2012 08:50 GMT
#1650
On April 14 2012 17:47 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:46 eFonSG wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


I can see why people would interpret that as an all-in due to MC's micro making it so much stronger, but 3 gates is hardly an all-in, unless there's something I missed



He cut probes and never took a second gas.


Probe cut != all-in

Seriously people, if MC expanded out of that he was fine, even if he didn't get the hatch. Have we all forgotten already what pressure gate expands are in this age of FFE?

exactly, I don't like that everything done besides that _greedy_ ffe build is considered as 'all in' these days.
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KristofferAG
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Norway25712 Posts
April 14 2012 08:50 GMT
#1651
What, Virus got first place? How did that happen? Good games today? I just woke up a bit too late. :<
@KristofferAG | http://vestkyststoy.bandcamp.com | last.fm/user/KristofferAG
HaXeR
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic189 Posts
April 14 2012 08:50 GMT
#1652
It wasnt pressure. It was allin (or maybe semiallin). He did have tech, had no sentries, obviously no expansion. He he did not do enough damage he is dead.
rasnj
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1959 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-14 08:51:53
April 14 2012 08:50 GMT
#1653
On April 14 2012 17:48 nick1689 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:44 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


3-gate pressure with stalkers only is all-in now?


Its the way MC did. He took no expansion, or even an extra gas. If Nestea held MC would have been out of the game as he wouldnt have had eco or tech to fall back on

He had more probes than nestea had drones almost from the start. MC resumed probe production almost immediately. The only tech nestea had was a spawning pool, not even a geyser. Also with that many stalkers he would definitely kill some stuff and force significant amounts of units. No it was not the standard FFE, but it wasn't really more all-in than 3-gate expand.

EDIT: And yes if MC failed to force more than 1 pair of lings which killed all his stalkers then he would die of course, but that doesn't happen.
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 14 2012 08:51 GMT
#1654
On April 14 2012 17:50 HaXeR wrote:
It wasnt pressure. It was allin (or maybe semiallin). He did have tech, had no sentries, obviously no expansion. He he did not do enough damage he is dead.


Damage is the name of the build lol. Its 3 gate of course its going to do damage.
twitch.tv/medrea
nick1689
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia494 Posts
April 14 2012 08:51 GMT
#1655
On April 14 2012 17:50 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:48 nick1689 wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


3-gate pressure with stalkers only is all-in now?


Its the way MC did. He took no expansion, or even an extra gas. If Nestea held MC would have been out of the game as he wouldnt have had eco or tech to fall back on


He chose not to expand when Nestea started to fall apart. If Nestea wasn't straight-up dying to the pressure, that's an expand build off the pressure.


Yeh yeh, I edited my post
ePLocust
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States587 Posts
April 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#1656
Is anyone else having stream issues?
Boiler Bandsman
Profile Joined February 2012
United States391 Posts
April 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#1657
On April 14 2012 17:49 MilesTeg wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:47 Boiler Bandsman wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:46 eFonSG wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:45 HolyArrow wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:44 MilesTeg wrote:
On April 14 2012 17:43 Deshkar wrote:
what did MC do? wasn't watching.


Gateway all-in. You really need to ask?


I can see why people would interpret that as an all-in due to MC's micro making it so much stronger, but 3 gates is hardly an all-in, unless there's something I missed



He cut probes and never took a second gas.


Probe cut != all-in

Seriously people, if MC expanded out of that he was fine, even if he didn't get the hatch. Have we all forgotten already what pressure gate expands are in this age of FFE?


How do you defend a roach-ling timing after that? To me against a different build it would've been an auto-loss, but what do I know.


I think you're overestimating how far he would have gone if Nestea had been prepared. The purpose of that build is to force lings, to burn larva. He did that, Nestea just didn't have speed or spines. Which meant MC could just kill him by reinforcing. So he did.
A soft answer turneth away wrath. Once wrath is looking the other way, shoot it in the head.
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
April 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#1658
eww hydras, kinda worried now D;
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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
April 14 2012 08:52 GMT
#1659
On April 14 2012 17:43 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:42 m0ck wrote:
2 Z in ro16 :{


Still haven't beat P's record (1 Protoss, Killer, in Ro16) ;D


To be fair that season most of the talented protoss were in code A moving up to Code S
HaXeR
Profile Joined December 2011
Czech Republic189 Posts
April 14 2012 08:53 GMT
#1660
On April 14 2012 17:51 Medrea wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 14 2012 17:50 HaXeR wrote:
It wasnt pressure. It was allin (or maybe semiallin). He did have tech, had no sentries, obviously no expansion. He he did not do enough damage he is dead.


Damage is the name of the build lol. Its 3 gate of course its going to do damage.

So.. 3 gate always do dmg? :D

I mean big dmg like killing expansion not forcing some units.

It was basicly 4gate with 3 gates. If mc had 1 additional gate it would be same situation.
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