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On April 10 2012 02:21 Nosforit wrote:
You could say that Squirtle was... not very effective against Alive.
Maybe he'll get that one...
It'd be best if he said not effective against an Alive type.
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I guess squirtles massive kill list didn't give him enough experience points to evolve into a blastoise.
Give dat mutha fucka an evolution stone!
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On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp  Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far.
if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games.
he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2.
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Stephano can compete with almost all Koreans, I have no doubt he would do good even in Code-S.
I just feel he still got to much respect for korean terrans. Almost like there is some bone in there thats still saying he cant beat them...
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On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2.
MMA outclasses everyone in TvZ, except maybe DRG.
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On April 10 2012 02:27 BlazeFury01 wrote:
I guess squirtles massive kill list didn't give him enough experience points to evolve into a blastoise.
Give dat mutha fucka an evolution stone!
hes holding a everstone clearly
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On April 10 2012 02:36 jinorazi wrote:
gooo Korea~ woo hooo~
It really was a great weekend for SK. That *is* where all of the NesTea signs were. xD
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On April 10 2012 02:33 Atoissen wrote:
Stephano can compete with almost all Koreans, I have no doubt he would do good even in Code-S.
I just feel he still got to much respect for korean terrans. Almost like there is some bone in there thats still saying he cant beat them...
The zergs can't beat the very top terrans, or are very unlikely to, even if the ghost nerf have made it less horrible.
And before the "rah-rah, DRG!!1" start, remember that:
1) It is his statistically worst match-up by a large margin ( http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/details.php?section=sc2-international&type=players&id=2627&part=games&league=standard&vs=T ),
2) That something like 80% of top korean terrans have vs Z as their best match-up
3) That zergs are heavily under-represented in the GSL - worse so in the later parts of the tournament
4) That the IPL tournamnet where each major team choose a player to compete in the tournament ended up with 1 zerg being chosen by his team as most likely to win
5) That only 1 zerg qualified for the IPL group-play through open brackets (top 8) ( http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=327341 )
6) That there were 1 zerg in the recent korean MLG qualifer top 8( http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Spring/Qualifier/Open )
The very best terrans are heavily favored versus zerg, and it's a matter of balance.
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On April 10 2012 02:36 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2. MMA outclasses everyone in TvZ, except maybe DRG.
I think people underestimated how sick Stephano was in their g1 because of the show MMA put on in g2. In G1 for most of the game, Stephano had managed to deny /any/ worker kills whatsoever. Stephano is pretty damn impressive... it's just that like you say MMA's TvZ is absurd (yet he won't do an SCfou style tvp t.t).
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On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2.
I love Stephano and is far and away the best foreigner and would do ok in Code S but the only reason he got a win vs MarineKing was because MKP did the same build in the regame (first game dced) and Stephano took advantage of this by all-inning.
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On April 10 2012 03:01 Sabu113 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:36 HaXXspetten wrote:On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2. MMA outclasses everyone in TvZ, except maybe DRG. I think people underestimated how sick Stephano was in their g1 because of the show MMA put on in g2. In G1 for most of the game, Stephano had managed to deny /any/ worker kills whatsoever. Stephano is pretty damn impressive... it's just that like you say MMA's TvZ is absurd (yet he won't do an SCfou style tvp t.t).
Even in g2 i was impressed by stephano. As a former Zerg i was in horror while as current Terran i was also in awe of what MMA unleashed on poor Stephano and Stephano still managed to almost keep up with the multitasking of MMA, he even managed to get quite a huge army out. I wish i was even half as good as either of them.
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what was that ahahaha so akward :D
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On April 10 2012 03:06 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2. I love Stephano and is far and away the best foreigner and would do ok in Code S but the only reason he got a win vs MarineKing was because MKP did the same build in the regame (first game dced) and Stephano took advantage of this by all-inning.
sorry but that was a stupid excuse.
mkp did same build in regame against PartinG as well.
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I hope Stephano gets a code S seed
I love to watch nuke shows
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I'm personally a big supporter of aLive. It's the job of these players to entertain us and playing exciting styles. It's their job to win and bring home the cash. Yeah aLive did a good deal of all-in kinds of play, he did it because it worked. It's all about the "anything to win" mindset. In addition, this event was long as hell, especially by the last day. Playing more drawn out macro games would only wear aLive more so his style is very beneficial for him.
On a side note - are the IPL4 game replays going to be released/are they available anywhere?
Thanks.
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On April 10 2012 03:11 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 03:06 noddy wrote:On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2. I love Stephano and is far and away the best foreigner and would do ok in Code S but the only reason he got a win vs MarineKing was because MKP did the same build in the regame (first game dced) and Stephano took advantage of this by all-inning. sorry but that was a stupid excuse. mkp did same build in regame against PartinG as well.
..and parting didn't take advantage of it? the end of it is that Stephano hasn't won vs MarineKing without all-inning
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On April 10 2012 01:04 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 00:54 RainMore wrote:
I don't understand the dislike of Alive.. He has a solid playstyle but nothing flashy and it feels to me like he pretty much all-in's every other game. e: shouldn't have said all the time
In my opinion he play very much like MVP did in his prime, extremely orthodox and by the book playstyle, solid allaround builds and very patient and well prepared builds. I like long-therm skills more than flashy marine control like MMA or MKP so I really love this guy.
I don't think hes doing all-ins at all imo, he's patiently pushing his opponent with very good harass all game long until he finds a good opportunity, his opponents mostly die to this push and some not (like nestea holding out incredible long the whole serier even though great disturbance from alive with drops and denied expansions almost all games and holding his big pushes).
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On April 10 2012 03:13 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On April 10 2012 03:11 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 03:06 noddy wrote:On April 10 2012 02:31 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 02:21 arfyron wrote:On April 10 2012 01:04 dragonborn wrote:On April 10 2012 00:13 Cereb wrote:I went to bed after Stephano got destroyed by MMA... But it's kinda funny that MMA is unbeatable in zvt (As far as I can tell from TLPD he hasn't lost a single series) but just completely falls apart in tvp Im pretty sure Stephano would have had a much better chance vs Squirtle than MMA. And the games against Nestea were too bad as well. Picking Taldarim as your last map in zvz is kinda a cheap move since you don't get any scouting info so it's much more build order based. But man! Amazing performance by Stephano! It's nice that there is atleast ONE bloody guy from outside of Korea who knows how to play this game. i went bed/stop watching as well after stephano eliminated, haha but i still want to thanks stephano, he was the only reason for watching IPL 4.He is the only foreigner player in top 16, also he beat legit GSL players like Bomber/JYP/Curious, played toe to toe with best ZvZer NesTea, such a close games against Marineking and losing to best TvZer MMA. at the end, stephano shows he is a legit player and skilled as top koreans. He's the best foreigner for sure and can definitely compete with mid tier koreans but as you just said he lost to all the top ones so I wouldn't go so far. if his games were 2-0 lose against nestea/mkp, i can say you are right, but score was 2-1 with such a close games. he is just outclassed against MMA @game 2. I love Stephano and is far and away the best foreigner and would do ok in Code S but the only reason he got a win vs MarineKing was because MKP did the same build in the regame (first game dced) and Stephano took advantage of this by all-inning. sorry but that was a stupid excuse. mkp did same build in regame against PartinG as well. ..and parting didn't take advantage of it? the end of it is that Stephano hasn't won vs MarineKing without all-inning
Actually its Marineking's problem, not stephanos.No one said to marineking "do some build in regame" or something like that.
stephano was on good shape before re game as well.
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