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Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8561
It's really interesting how that one misblink by Squirtle against Nestea completely changed the tournament. Stephano would have had a Squirtle-Alive-Grand Final route instead of Nestea and MMA, would have been his tournament to lose at that point.
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8562
On April 09 2012 08:38 Poopi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:33 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Can anyone give me brief summaries of the previous round? I was in the car
(mma vs stephano, mkp vs squirtle)
Much appreciated!

MKP Squirtle :
g1 : MKP 1rax FE, fast expo for P as well. MKP fast 3rd cc inbase. Squirtle hides 2 colossus and then pushes out with 6gates, MKP did not scout it so wasn't able to prepare accordingly (colossus on 2bases is great response against fast 3rd cc).
Game 2 nexus first for Squirtle, 1rax reaper expo does 3 probes and 1zelot kill.
Squirtle defends everything on 2bases whereas MKP 3rd cc again, MKP agressive but cant deal real dmg, he then dies trying to defend his third.

Thanks!
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Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8563
On April 09 2012 08:37 PeggyHill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:36 babybell wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:35 PeggyHill wrote:
This is a big shift in the PvT metagame, finally we know the proper response to terran 3 cc play

It's not like it's the most marvelously brilliant idea, it's been out since the beta practically.


Thats not the point, I mean we can now say that the proper response to the 3cc build is 2 base colo.

Ofc the build has been around for ages, but twlight/2 forge has been more dominant midgame pvt recently than colo.

MC vs MVP on Shakuras MLG Providence showed that 3 cc into double upgrades into 4 rax marine BUT with dilligent scouting has no problem beating 2 base colossus. MVP made lots of bunkers and had a huge concave and vikings.
iSunrise
Profile Joined June 2011
3302 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 23:39:49
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8564
On April 09 2012 08:38 usethis2 wrote:
Is this thing really still going on? I went to dinner and went to bed with the stream on, and just woke up to the noise. I thought it's a rerun but it seems to be live?

Get yourself a shitload of coffee. This is still far from over.
Traven
Profile Joined March 2011
United States160 Posts
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8565
MMA didn't scout at all. He saw the collosus when they were 10 seconds away from his base. He wasn't prepared. There should be no balance whining here about that game. It's like losing to Dt's in a PvP when you see your opponent take two gas and only zealots and not building some sort of detection.
vndods
Profile Joined October 2011
United States3743 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-08 23:40:50
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8566
On April 09 2012 08:38 Shellshock1122 wrote:
nvm thanks poopi

Squirtle is playing the matchup well right now because TvP Korea is Protoss goes templar tech before collos. So MMA and MKP basically are dying to 2 base collosus pushes.

and MMA just outplayed Stephano in both their games. Multidrops, multi nukes, 5 sensor towers, wasn't really close. Would still watch it though cause MMA won in dominating fashion.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
April 08 2012 23:39 GMT
#8567
wow mma's facial skin is so good.
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Skyro
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1823 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8568
On April 09 2012 08:35 nat wrote:
Even if MMA didn't go fast third i dont think T can defend this timing. this is a crazy meta game counter thing. so strong


Uh what? No fast 3rd = faster starport = vikings. You need vikings vs colossi. 2-base colossi has been around since beta.
BombaySensei
Profile Joined March 2011
United States282 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8569
I'm liking cats pj's new beard style
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8570
On April 09 2012 08:39 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:38 Spiner wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:37 elanobissen wrote:
Collossus is such a dumb unit - how could Blizz not even come up with anything else than another retarded high dps splash dmg unit. SIGH.


I hope they remove it in HOTS and add a unit that requires more micro


If only there was such a unit in BW that did sick splash damage but required sick micro to use effectively.....
*thinks hard*
....
...
...

+ Show Spoiler +
oh well!

Crazyness. Madness. Such a unit can't exist!
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
dangerjoe
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Denmark1866 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8571
On April 09 2012 08:39 Kettchup wrote:
It's really interesting how that one misblink by Squirtle against Nestea completely changed the tournament. Stephano would have had a Squirtle-Alive-Grand Final route instead of Nestea and MMA, would have been his tournament to lose at that point.


Interesting point actually.. one misblink changes the tournament, hmm
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Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8572
On April 09 2012 08:36 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:34 Promethelax wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:30 dAPhREAk wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:29 Theeakoz wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:28 Sakkreth wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:25 Theeakoz wrote:
Poll: What do you think of the foreigner/korean competition

We only have Stephano none else. (84)
 
50%

Koreans are way ahead. (61)
 
36%

We're gotten better but not nearly there yet. (22)
 
13%

We there. (2)
 
1%

169 total votes

Your vote: What do you think of the foreigner/korean competition

(Vote): We're gotten better but not nearly there yet.
(Vote): We there.
(Vote): We only have Stephano none else.
(Vote): Koreans are way ahead.



Stephano, HuK, NaNiWa.

Yes I think if Huk was in this trounament he would have done really well as too.

he was in the tourney. he got eliminated really early.


In a loser's final in the open bracket isn't all that early.

I would suggest that Sase, Thorzain and Illusion are also quite good we have less than ten quality players who are close to being on a level with the Koreans. I hope that eventually there will be good forgien players in the GSL on their own skill and making deep runs a la Jinro and Huk. Eventually we'll have a GSL winner, I hope.

its relative. if you dont get out of the open bracket, i consider that early.


Consider the open bracket though, he was top 16 out of 128 which included about half of code S, and Code A most of the top Foreign talent and a lot of no names some of whom it turns out are really good.
Decent enough point though, open bracket isn't its own tournament. But I still think Huk easily could have come out and, if he had, he would have done decently in groups.
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Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8573
On April 09 2012 08:35 Jono7272 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:34 Azarkon wrote:
MMA's TvP is so fucking terrible.

This is retardedly good for Nestea.

Squirtle killed MKP with the same.. would you say MKP's is fucking terrible as well?


MMA didn't try to do a thing that game. He didn't scout, he didn't pressure, he didn't drop. He played vs. Protoss with blind greed and while that works vs. Zerg, it doesn't work vs. Protoss.
JOJOsc2news
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
3000 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8574
On April 09 2012 08:39 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:37 elanobissen wrote:
Collossus is such a dumb unit - how could Blizz not even come up with anything else than another retarded high dps splash dmg unit. SIGH.


But you don't care about the colossus if MMA would win, just because your favourite player lost to a push it's retarded? :/


I wouldn't even argue. Passive aggressive balance whine should be ignored.
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mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8575
On April 09 2012 08:40 MCDayC wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:39 Pandain wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:38 Spiner wrote:
On April 09 2012 08:37 elanobissen wrote:
Collossus is such a dumb unit - how could Blizz not even come up with anything else than another retarded high dps splash dmg unit. SIGH.


I hope they remove it in HOTS and add a unit that requires more micro


If only there was such a unit in BW that did sick splash damage but required sick micro to use effectively.....
*thinks hard*
....
...
...

+ Show Spoiler +
oh well!

Crazyness. Madness. Such a unit can't exist!

This is painful
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8576
On April 09 2012 08:37 elanobissen wrote:
Collossus is such a dumb unit - how could Blizz not even come up with anything else than another retarded high dps splash dmg unit. SIGH.



Please don't balance whine......it ruins the integrity of the games.

With that said, this anti-timing is REALLY strong and may be a bit too exploitative of the fact that terran can make medivacs and vikings at the same time at that point in the game.
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
dpurple
Profile Joined November 2010
Turkmenistan592 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8577
On April 09 2012 08:39 jjhchsc2 wrote:
wow mma's facial skin is so good.


lol what.
eviltomahawk
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States11135 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8578
On April 09 2012 08:37 elanobissen wrote:
Collossus is such a dumb unit - how could Blizz not even come up with anything else than another retarded high dps splash dmg unit. SIGH.

Would you feel better if MMA died to Reavers instead?
ㅇㅅㅌㅅ
Lstrike
Profile Joined April 2012
United States27 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8579
When MMA scouted the collosus with the factory, the only thing MMA could have done is sac the natural, build bunkers in main, get all units and SCV inside main and allow squirtle to pass through the ramp... Stalkers dont have blink and he cant risk collusus to go up the ramp with stim maruders...
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
April 08 2012 23:40 GMT
#8580
On April 09 2012 08:39 eYeball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 09 2012 08:37 elanobissen wrote:
Collossus is such a dumb unit - how could Blizz not even come up with anything else than another retarded high dps splash dmg unit. SIGH.


But you don't care about the colossus if MMA would win, just because your favourite player lost to a push it's retarded? :/

Most Terran think it's stupid because you can't mech vP and it hardcounters bio.
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