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StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:02:36
April 01 2012 20:00 GMT
#861
Mhm, that's stupid. I'm sure Socke would've beaten Axslav. How come this only surfaces now, why didn't the involved guys say something earlier.

At IEM New York, when they fucked up the brackets, everything got replayed. Just saying.
Delphi
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Germany88 Posts
April 01 2012 20:03 GMT
#862
alive reported wrong i think as winner had to send in replays, i guess he only send in his winning replays and so the admins thought it was 2-0 at first
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
April 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#863
at least socke needs to get _something_ if they do not want to replay everything. i think no one wants to argue that alive is better than axlav
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
IMNasty
Profile Joined February 2012
663 Posts
April 01 2012 20:04 GMT
#864
why has the camera been on sheths mutas for the last 5 min? observing this match is subpar at best
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 01 2012 20:09 GMT
#865
Killing the greater spire was huge - HUGE. That was game changing.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
April 01 2012 20:14 GMT
#866
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 01 2012 20:16 GMT
#867
Well, grubby had a good position a couple of times, but his control just lets him down, and he doesn't quite seem to be able to read sheths army movement well enough. That leads to bad positions and overextending. But very nice harassment!
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#868
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...


what a surprise. im not even watching the lategame ZvP anymore and i dont understand Protoss even try cause you have almost no chance, it's boring as hell and it's always the same.
o)_Saurus
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany260 Posts
April 01 2012 20:17 GMT
#869
ZvP lategame is so broken -_-
losing nearly his whole infrastructure - still winning with brood/infestor.
I can't tell you how much I hate to see this.

Only way for protoss is still playing these stupid (but effective) 2base allins.
willverrecken
Profile Joined March 2012
80 Posts
April 01 2012 20:18 GMT
#870
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...



On April 02 2012 04:49 SiroKO wrote:
A-moving roaches for the comeback..


stop whining when it's mistakes like supply blocks and engaging a bl army without a mothership (that was already building) that lose the games instead of imbalance.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#871
The death ball that wins vs. all Zerg compositions is carrier void ray mothership archon HT. Grubby never had that.

o)_Saurus
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany260 Posts
April 01 2012 20:20 GMT
#872
On April 02 2012 05:18 willverrecken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...



Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:49 SiroKO wrote:
A-moving roaches for the comeback..


stop whining when it's mistakes like supply blocks and engaging a bl army without a mothership (that was already building) that lose the games instead of imbalance.


He didn't engage. He was taking out a few spinecrawler when fungle prevented him to retreat.
And mothership isn't a solution at all because it requires the zerg to make mistakes.
McGregsen
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany110 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:22:46
April 01 2012 20:21 GMT
#873
On April 02 2012 05:18 willverrecken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...



Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:49 SiroKO wrote:
A-moving roaches for the comeback..


stop whining when it's mistakes like supply blocks and engaging a bl army without a mothership (that was already building) that lose the games instead of imbalance.


Doesn't really matter even Mothership is not really helping anymore. Zergs have learned to morph Overseers and how to counter Archon toilet by actually splitting or using infested terrans/banelings into the vortex.

EDIT: Saurus is spot on ;-)
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 01 2012 20:23 GMT
#874
It wasn't decided before the final engagement, but grubby attacked the third, while the broods came from the south/fourth. He overextended. Had he kept his ~4 HTs with storm for the broods (or waited for the mship), he would have had a good shot. Also, expanding could be much sharper.
TheSir
Profile Joined February 2012
1830 Posts
April 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#875
On April 02 2012 05:18 willverrecken wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...



Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 04:49 SiroKO wrote:
A-moving roaches for the comeback..


stop whining when it's mistakes like supply blocks and engaging a bl army without a mothership (that was already building) that lose the games instead of imbalance.


Wouldn't have mattered, Sheth just could have gone with muta's to Grubby's bases and kill tech and just target the mothership with infestors and it will die soon enough and then he would have won already. Protoss needs to be on one or 2 bases more then zerg and ahead the entire game otherwise forget about it in late game.

Just go with 2 base allins in PvZ, then you have a much better chance.



Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#876
On April 02 2012 05:21 McGregsen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:18 willverrecken wrote:
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...



On April 02 2012 04:49 SiroKO wrote:
A-moving roaches for the comeback..


stop whining when it's mistakes like supply blocks and engaging a bl army without a mothership (that was already building) that lose the games instead of imbalance.


Doesn't really matter even Mothership is not really helping anymore. Zergs have learned to morph Overseers and how to counter Archon toilet by actually splitting or using infested terrans/banelings into the vortex.

EDIT: Saurus is spot on ;-)


Protoss has to do two things to win vs. Zerg late-game.

The first is they have to use star gate units.

The second is they have to use a lot of HTs for storms and archons.

Both are very gas heavy and this is a problem with Protoss - how do you get that much gas?

That's the biggest issue in the MU right now.
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:29:14
April 01 2012 20:26 GMT
#877
On April 02 2012 05:17 o)_Saurus wrote:
ZvP lategame is so broken -_-
losing nearly his whole infrastructure - still winning with brood/infestor.
I can't tell you how much I hate to see this.

Only way for protoss is still playing these stupid (but effective) 2base allins.


They are good 3 base all-ins as well but ye, engaging in a straight macro game against Zerg is like trying to wrestle against a kodiak bear.
In the end, broodlords/infestors are simply too cost-effective considering the macro-mechanics and usual lategame macro of Zerg.

On April 02 2012 05:26 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:21 McGregsen wrote:
On April 02 2012 05:18 willverrecken wrote:
On April 02 2012 05:14 SiroKO wrote:
That so called protoss deathball got once again demolished by infestors/broodlords...



On April 02 2012 04:49 SiroKO wrote:
A-moving roaches for the comeback..


stop whining when it's mistakes like supply blocks and engaging a bl army without a mothership (that was already building) that lose the games instead of imbalance.


Doesn't really matter even Mothership is not really helping anymore. Zergs have learned to morph Overseers and how to counter Archon toilet by actually splitting or using infested terrans/banelings into the vortex.

EDIT: Saurus is spot on ;-)


Protoss has to do two things to win vs. Zerg late-game.

The first is they have to use star gate units.

The second is they have to use a lot of HTs for storms and archons.

Both are very gas heavy and this is a problem with Protoss - how do you get that much gas?

That's the biggest issue in the MU right now.


Having infinite gaz is not possible. Protoss can't blindly exp on the whole map while teching like Zerg or they get demolished.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
April 01 2012 20:28 GMT
#878
On April 02 2012 05:23 m0ck wrote:
It wasn't decided before the final engagement, but grubby attacked the third, while the broods came from the south/fourth. He overextended. Had he kept his ~4 HTs with storm for the broods (or waited for the mship), he would have had a good shot. Also, expanding could be much sharper.


tell me how u will ever reach broodlords with hts? you are quite funny sir.

its quite obvious that protoss has a hard time in lategame vs massspine, mass brood and some infestors even WITH a mothership.
I just dont like how the matchup is right now, it feels like protoss has to win in the first 16 minutes and has a decent shot at it, after that strange things have to happen for zerg to lose (e.g.: they dont know how to brofestor/spine turtle :D )
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iAmBiGbiRd
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia1029 Posts
April 01 2012 20:29 GMT
#879
If a zerg got into my base and managed to take down my cyber core, robo, stargate and templar archives all in one hit i would have instalost. Grubby did overextend in one fight vs infestor brood, but he would have been crushed by that army comp anyway. He sniped the 4th twice, storm-dropped all the drones at the third as well as took down ALL sheths tech meanwhile taking absolutely no damage from Muta and holding his own third perfectly fine. It was impressive to see, but then turned into frustration after realising that it didn't matter how well he played the rest of the game when 2-3 fungals on your army means it all gets instagibbed by BL's in less than 5 seconds TT bad luck Grubster
Hello friends:)
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-01 20:38:20
April 01 2012 20:33 GMT
#880
On April 02 2012 05:28 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 02 2012 05:23 m0ck wrote:
It wasn't decided before the final engagement, but grubby attacked the third, while the broods came from the south/fourth. He overextended. Had he kept his ~4 HTs with storm for the broods (or waited for the mship), he would have had a good shot. Also, expanding could be much sharper.


tell me how u will ever reach broodlords with hts? you are quite funny sir.

its quite obvious that protoss has a hard time in lategame vs massspine, mass brood and some infestors even WITH a mothership.
I just dont like how the matchup is right now, it feels like protoss has to win in the first 16 minutes and has a decent shot at it, after that strange things have to happen for zerg to lose (e.g.: they dont know how to brofestor/spine turtle :D )

Not by rallying them into the third, in front of all other units. It's a positional dance, and Grubby could have done it much, much better. Or?

*I mean, I realize it is harder on protoss, but I don't think that what we saw was 'imbalance'. The reason why grubby couldn't win after taking down sheths tech was that he lost his army and was down ~30-40 supply. Maybe it was imbalance that sheth couldn't just kill him at that point? Sheth did exactly nothing with the mutas and from there it was grubbys game to loose. As I see it.
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