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sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
March 10 2012 12:18 GMT
#901
On March 10 2012 21:17 0ne wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:15 GwSC wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:14 0ne wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:14 Hypemeup wrote:
Outclassed.

Outplayed ;P


They are interchangeable on these forums

You have to say both after every single game.

You have to say " he's just on another level" too


It's funny because it's true.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
Swiv
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany3674 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 12:19:00
March 10 2012 12:18 GMT
#902
sc2 ESL Polen 1477
sc2 GoodGame.ru 4837
sc2 IEM Hannover SC2 43467
sc2 Mori 2125
sc2 SC2TV 2750
ESLFrance 4977

59,5k gogo
[_] Terran [_] Zerg [_] Protoss [X] Random ------- Fantasy - hyvaa - sOs
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
March 10 2012 12:19 GMT
#903
On March 10 2012 21:17 ftd.rain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:15 Azzur wrote:
Not sure why MC felt the need to go all-in... he had the better of the opening

The tanks will be useless in the endgame... all MC needed to do was go defensive on 3-base

Less workers and down a base, he had to allin because he misinterpreted puma's position.

True, but his unit composition was really good. If he just tried to take a third himself, got upgrades, he probably wouldn't have been in that bad of a position.

Puma's Tank/Marine mix fairs really poorly later in the game, whilst MC's unit comp was exactly what he wanted
MorroW
Profile Joined August 2008
Sweden3522 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 12:20:01
March 10 2012 12:19 GMT
#904
mc didnt have to attack. as soon as you see siege tank, get a colossus out and take a 3rd is a more solid option i think

i like FE=>tank openings in tvp tho. its so great lately since most toss players push quickly with sentry timings
Progamerpls no copy pasterino
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 10 2012 12:19 GMT
#905
On March 10 2012 21:18 Asha` wrote:
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On March 10 2012 21:16 babysimba wrote:
Wow. Terrans really need to start innovating new builds that involve tanks for defence without being too far behind in upgrades. Tanks seem like a reliable way to defend against gateway pushes.


Pretty sure the way that fight went was a result of MC's poor execution more than it was a result of tanks being good.

I think siege tanks are pretty sound vs those types of pushes, but MC definetely should've won once puma sent half of his army away.
xrapture
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1644 Posts
March 10 2012 12:19 GMT
#906
On March 10 2012 21:18 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:15 xrapture wrote:
I like the new tank builds mma and puma have showed.

You make tanks to make yourself immune to 3 gate/5 gate/ 6 gate and to also force your opponent to panic by cutting probes, delaying 3rd, and delaying tech.

Then you just transition into normal bio.


I'm not sure if it's any good against greedy protoss though. You can't harass for a long time, nor is the composition any good once protoss gets power units out.


that's the thing.

u can pull scvs and just go at any moment. if u see double forge or a 3rd it's an option.
Everyone is either delusional, a nihlilst, or dead from suicide.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
March 10 2012 12:19 GMT
#907
On March 10 2012 21:18 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:17 0ne wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:15 GwSC wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:14 0ne wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:14 Hypemeup wrote:
Outclassed.

Outplayed ;P


They are interchangeable on these forums

You have to say both after every single game.

You have to say " he's just on another level" too


It's funny because it's true.


That, combined with crediting one player for the other player doing stupid things, is what frustrates me about commentary sometimes.
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-10 12:20:26
March 10 2012 12:20 GMT
#908
On March 10 2012 21:18 Swiv wrote:
sc2 ESL Polen 1477
sc2 GoodGame.ru 4837
sc2 IEM Hannover SC2 43467
sc2 Mori 2125
sc2 SC2TV 2750
ESLFrance 4977

59,5k gogo

around 60K + people at the event (around 5k ?)

toldya
T H C makes ppl happy
ftd.rain
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom539 Posts
March 10 2012 12:20 GMT
#909
On March 10 2012 21:18 Azzur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:17 ftd.rain wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:15 Azzur wrote:
Not sure why MC felt the need to go all-in... he had the better of the opening

The tanks will be useless in the endgame... all MC needed to do was go defensive on 3-base

Less workers and down a base, he had to allin because he misinterpreted puma's position.

He had observers - how do you mis-interpret?

By not seeing it till too late, MC cut probes and when he actually saw the third base he was already behind 6 workers.
legaton
Profile Joined December 2010
France1763 Posts
March 10 2012 12:20 GMT
#910
MC will beat the code beta player. Also, 43K for the SC2 finals!!?? Wow, such an awful result.
No GG, No Skill - Jaedong <3
tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
March 10 2012 12:20 GMT
#911
On March 10 2012 21:18 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:15 xrapture wrote:
I like the new tank builds mma and puma have showed.

You make tanks to make yourself immune to 3 gate/5 gate/ 6 gate and to also force your opponent to panic by cutting probes, delaying 3rd, and delaying tech.

Then you just transition into normal bio.


I'm not sure if it's any good against greedy protoss though. You can't harass for a long time, nor is the composition any good once protoss gets power units out.


Against "greedy protoss" you just transition to 1-1-1.
Funkydonky
Profile Joined April 2011
950 Posts
March 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#912
On March 10 2012 21:18 Swiv wrote:
sc2 ESL Polen 1477
sc2 GoodGame.ru 4837
sc2 IEM Hannover SC2 43467
sc2 Mori 2125
sc2 SC2TV 2750
ESLFrance 4977

59,5k gogo

These are good numbers, i think it would be more than 100k if finals were at 10pm CET
Favorite players: Stephano, Mana, Polt, Lucifron, Nerchio
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
March 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#913
comon MC!!!
moo...for DRG
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
March 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#914
On March 10 2012 21:19 xrapture wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:18 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:15 xrapture wrote:
I like the new tank builds mma and puma have showed.

You make tanks to make yourself immune to 3 gate/5 gate/ 6 gate and to also force your opponent to panic by cutting probes, delaying 3rd, and delaying tech.

Then you just transition into normal bio.


I'm not sure if it's any good against greedy protoss though. You can't harass for a long time, nor is the composition any good once protoss gets power units out.


that's the thing.

u can pull scvs and just go at any moment. if u see double forge or a 3rd it's an option.


I meant this :
On March 10 2012 21:19 MorroW wrote:
mc didnt have to attack. as soon as you see siege tank, get a colossus out and take a 3rd is a more solid option i think

i like FE=>tank openings in tvp tho. its so great lately since most toss players push quickly with sentry timings

https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
March 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#915
On March 10 2012 21:20 tomatriedes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:18 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:15 xrapture wrote:
I like the new tank builds mma and puma have showed.

You make tanks to make yourself immune to 3 gate/5 gate/ 6 gate and to also force your opponent to panic by cutting probes, delaying 3rd, and delaying tech.

Then you just transition into normal bio.


I'm not sure if it's any good against greedy protoss though. You can't harass for a long time, nor is the composition any good once protoss gets power units out.


Against "greedy protoss" you just transition to 1-1-1.

But how do you tell? Do you just purely rely on that SCV scout? If it gets denied then aren't you in a bad position?
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
March 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#916
On March 10 2012 21:20 ftd.rain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2012 21:18 Azzur wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:17 ftd.rain wrote:
On March 10 2012 21:15 Azzur wrote:
Not sure why MC felt the need to go all-in... he had the better of the opening

The tanks will be useless in the endgame... all MC needed to do was go defensive on 3-base

Less workers and down a base, he had to allin because he misinterpreted puma's position.

He had observers - how do you mis-interpret?

By not seeing it till too late, MC cut probes and when he actually saw the third base he was already behind 6 workers.


Yeah. That, combined with MULEs from 3 OCs, makes it really hard to compete with the economy of Puma.
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
March 10 2012 12:22 GMT
#917
buuh observer. MC just lost a stalker and I could only watch it on the minimap.
keep it deep! @zulison
Emptyness
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
Bulgaria1016 Posts
March 10 2012 12:23 GMT
#918
That pylon was a bait
Fall down 9 times, Get up 10.
Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
March 10 2012 12:23 GMT
#919
Come on MC!
Sinedd
Profile Joined July 2008
Poland7052 Posts
March 10 2012 12:23 GMT
#920
ffields working against MC

lol
T H C makes ppl happy
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