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Pro Random Monobattles TournamentAre you forgetting the most important thing in this tournament??
Bumblebee finally got his fanclub!!!
[$1000] Pro Random Monobattles ESPORTS Tournament - Page 85
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EdSlyB
Portugal1621 Posts
Are you forgetting the most important thing in this tournament?? Bumblebee finally got his fanclub!!! | ||
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Barburas
United Kingdom247 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone Not at all, it was great and you've done a fantastic job + raised a bunch of money for charity! | ||
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.syL
Germany85 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:37 Thrax wrote: Meh. Random mono-battles are unfair by definition, nobody can do anything about that and it's part of the fun. For the parts that can be controlled though, I feel like the tournament format should be fair to all the teams. I wouldn't call a tournament double elimination unless all teams get eliminated by losing twice. Regardless, it was a lot of fun. Hopefully the players enjoyed. I'd certainly watch this again in the future, and giving the money away to charity is another really cool move from you. Keep being awesome. That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic. | ||
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Jetaap
France4814 Posts
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
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DisillusionedAcronym
190 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:46 EdSlyB wrote: What's all this drama now? Are you forgetting the most important thing in this tournament?? Bumblebee finally got his fanclub!!! friggin' ace! well worth the price liquid paid to prime! :-D | ||
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GaiaCaT
35 Posts
"Single Elimination" finals in a Double Elimination tournament is not a new thing. My opinion is it's better overall compared to regular Double Elimination and Extended Series, matter of taste I guess. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:47 .syL wrote: That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic. Yeah, I agree. I've been arguing in favor of WB getting no advantage in finals for the last 2 years. Although I can understand people getting frustrated when the format doesn't suit their preferences (it still annoys me that there is still no proper Proleague format team league in SC2 for example). | ||
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Spooony
United Kingdom108 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:49 Shantastic wrote: It may have been for fun, but at the end of the day, it was a winner/loser bracket format tournament for $1,000, so please stop saying it was for fun. When there's money involved, you have to deliver on the tournament. I love TB as much as the next cattlebruiser, but EG got screwed out of their fair chance to win $1,000 because he didn't understand double-elim. Simple as that. $1k put up by the person holding the tournament, He can choose to use whatever format he wishes. Don't get angry at a guy for putting his own money on a fun little tournament, | ||
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Roxor9999
Netherlands771 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:47 .syL wrote: That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic. I agree that they can be anti-climatic, but is it fair to have a team that lost more win? | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:47 .syL wrote: That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic. Wrong. Winning from the winner's bracket holds no advantage. You go into the final not having dropped a series against a team that dropped a series. That is why any tournament with a single-series final is a single-elimination tournament. To argue that any double-elimination tournament in which a team can be eliminated by losing once is moronic. | ||
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Marcus420
Canada1923 Posts
inb4 massive floods, tsunamis and shit. LOL jk. | ||
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OneWhoIsMany
Canada292 Posts
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Shackadeemus
Ireland247 Posts
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
Anyway from wikipedia: The championship finals of a double elimination tournament is usually set up to be a possible two games. The rationale is that since the tournament is indeed double elimination, it is unfair to have the Winners' Bracket champion eliminated with its first loss. Therefore, while the Winners' Bracket champion needs to beat the Losers' Bracket champion only once to win the tournament, the Losers' Bracket champion must beat the Winners' Bracket champion twice. In some tournaments, however, the final game is always winner-take-all, or always a best-of-three set of games, with the usual advantage of the last Winner's Bracket team ignored. But keep on whining EG fans, it would have been the same system even if EG came from lower bracket. At least they had the advantage of playing one match less unless if I lost count somewhere. | ||
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MVTaylor
United Kingdom2893 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone Totally didn't ruin it If you followed gave EG a 1-0 headstart for coming from the winners bracket they'd still have lost | ||
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Shantastic
United States435 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:54 Spooony wrote: $1k put up by the person holding the tournament, He can choose to use whatever format he wishes. Don't get angry at a guy for putting his own money on a fun little tournament, Where the money comes from is not the responsibility of EG or Liquid or Quantic or Dignitas. Four players invested five hours (one of them sacrificing sleep) into an opportunity to make $1,000 under the condition that they had to lose two series to be eliminated. The players were then told at the abrupt end of their time investment that they would not be given any advantage for having been the only team to go undefeated. | ||
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TaintedMeat
United States19 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote: Sad even though, I created the entire thing and made it possible for everyone *fixed | ||
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
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jmbthirteen
United States10734 Posts
On March 11 2012 06:59 Vaelone wrote: I enjoyed the tournament, was something new and different and I feel sorry over the people bitching about the format considering it wasn't supposed to be a serious tournament at all and rematch didn't even cross my mind even though I'm aware of how double elimination usually works. Anyway from wikipedia: But keep on whining EG fans, it would have been the same system even if EG came from lower bracket. At least they had the advantage of playing one match less unless if I lost count somewhere. So because some tournaments are use a stupid set up, it makes it not stupid? No, thats not how it works. Liquid fans would be upset if they were in EG's situation too. | ||
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