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(Wiki)Pro Random Monobattles Tournament
EdSlyB
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Portugal1621 Posts
March 10 2012 21:46 GMT
#1681
What's all this drama now?
Are you forgetting the most important thing in this tournament??

Bumblebee finally got his fanclub!!!
aka Wardo
Barburas
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom247 Posts
March 10 2012 21:46 GMT
#1682
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone


Not at all, it was great and you've done a fantastic job + raised a bunch of money for charity!
.syL
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany85 Posts
March 10 2012 21:47 GMT
#1683
On March 11 2012 06:37 Thrax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone

Meh. Random mono-battles are unfair by definition, nobody can do anything about that and it's part of the fun. For the parts that can be controlled though, I feel like the tournament format should be fair to all the teams. I wouldn't call a tournament double elimination unless all teams get eliminated by losing twice.
Regardless, it was a lot of fun. Hopefully the players enjoyed. I'd certainly watch this again in the future, and giving the money away to charity is another really cool move from you. Keep being awesome.


That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic.
Jetaap
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France4814 Posts
March 10 2012 21:49 GMT
#1684
Thanks for the event TB <3
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
March 10 2012 21:49 GMT
#1685
It may have been for fun, but at the end of the day, it was a winner/loser bracket format tournament for $1,000, so please stop saying it was for fun. When there's money involved, you have to deliver on the tournament. I love TB as much as the next cattlebruiser, but EG got screwed out of their fair chance to win $1,000 because he didn't understand double-elim. Simple as that.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
DisillusionedAcronym
Profile Joined September 2011
190 Posts
March 10 2012 21:49 GMT
#1686
On March 11 2012 06:46 EdSlyB wrote:
What's all this drama now?
Are you forgetting the most important thing in this tournament??

Bumblebee finally got his fanclub!!!

friggin' ace! well worth the price liquid paid to prime! :-D
GaiaCaT
Profile Joined June 2011
35 Posts
March 10 2012 21:51 GMT
#1687
The immediate benefit of winning the Upper Bracket is a guaranteed spot in the finals.
"Single Elimination" finals in a Double Elimination tournament is not a new thing.
My opinion is it's better overall compared to regular Double Elimination and Extended Series, matter of taste I guess.
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
March 10 2012 21:51 GMT
#1688
On March 11 2012 06:47 .syL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:37 Thrax wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone

Meh. Random mono-battles are unfair by definition, nobody can do anything about that and it's part of the fun. For the parts that can be controlled though, I feel like the tournament format should be fair to all the teams. I wouldn't call a tournament double elimination unless all teams get eliminated by losing twice.
Regardless, it was a lot of fun. Hopefully the players enjoyed. I'd certainly watch this again in the future, and giving the money away to charity is another really cool move from you. Keep being awesome.


That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic.


Yeah, I agree. I've been arguing in favor of WB getting no advantage in finals for the last 2 years.

Although I can understand people getting frustrated when the format doesn't suit their preferences (it still annoys me that there is still no proper Proleague format team league in SC2 for example).
Spooony
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom108 Posts
March 10 2012 21:54 GMT
#1689
On March 11 2012 06:49 Shantastic wrote:
It may have been for fun, but at the end of the day, it was a winner/loser bracket format tournament for $1,000, so please stop saying it was for fun. When there's money involved, you have to deliver on the tournament. I love TB as much as the next cattlebruiser, but EG got screwed out of their fair chance to win $1,000 because he didn't understand double-elim. Simple as that.


$1k put up by the person holding the tournament,

He can choose to use whatever format he wishes.

Don't get angry at a guy for putting his own money on a fun little tournament,
-- "Getting Nerd Chills From Gosu Starcraft Thrills" -- MKP, DeMuslim, Sheth, Polt, Grubby &Thorzain fighting! --
Roxor9999
Profile Joined December 2011
Netherlands771 Posts
March 10 2012 21:54 GMT
#1690
On March 11 2012 06:47 .syL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:37 Thrax wrote:
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone

Meh. Random mono-battles are unfair by definition, nobody can do anything about that and it's part of the fun. For the parts that can be controlled though, I feel like the tournament format should be fair to all the teams. I wouldn't call a tournament double elimination unless all teams get eliminated by losing twice.
Regardless, it was a lot of fun. Hopefully the players enjoyed. I'd certainly watch this again in the future, and giving the money away to charity is another really cool move from you. Keep being awesome.


That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic.

I agree that they can be anti-climatic, but is it fair to have a team that lost more win?
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
March 10 2012 21:55 GMT
#1691
On March 11 2012 06:47 .syL wrote:
That's not true though. You can have a double elimination format without playing to boX in the finals, although that is the format most widely used. I wish tournaments would move away from it and just play a single bo5 or 7 finals. It's still advantagous to win the winner bracket final, as the loser runs the risk of being eliminated in the lower bracket. And two boX can (and often are) anticlimatic.


Wrong. Winning from the winner's bracket holds no advantage. You go into the final not having dropped a series against a team that dropped a series. That is why any tournament with a single-series final is a single-elimination tournament. To argue that any double-elimination tournament in which a team can be eliminated by losing once is moronic.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Marcus420
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada1923 Posts
March 10 2012 21:55 GMT
#1692
2012 year of liquid is almost scary XD

inb4 massive floods, tsunamis and shit.

LOL jk.
OneWhoIsMany
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada292 Posts
March 10 2012 21:57 GMT
#1693
Great Tourney much enjoyed
Shackadeemus
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland247 Posts
March 10 2012 21:59 GMT
#1694
So who won? Where are the results??
Pirate-bird ftw.
Vaelone
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Finland4400 Posts
March 10 2012 21:59 GMT
#1695
I enjoyed the tournament, was something new and different and I feel sorry over the people bitching about the format considering it wasn't supposed to be a serious tournament at all and rematch didn't even cross my mind even though I'm aware of how double elimination usually works.

Anyway from wikipedia:

The championship finals of a double elimination tournament is usually set up to be a possible two games. The rationale is that since the tournament is indeed double elimination, it is unfair to have the Winners' Bracket champion eliminated with its first loss. Therefore, while the Winners' Bracket champion needs to beat the Losers' Bracket champion only once to win the tournament, the Losers' Bracket champion must beat the Winners' Bracket champion twice.

In some tournaments, however, the final game is always winner-take-all, or always a best-of-three set of games, with the usual advantage of the last Winner's Bracket team ignored.


But keep on whining EG fans, it would have been the same system even if EG came from lower bracket. At least they had the advantage of playing one match less unless if I lost count somewhere.
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
March 10 2012 21:59 GMT
#1696
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sad now, feel I botched the entire thing and ruined it for everyone


Totally didn't ruin it

If you followed gave EG a 1-0 headstart for coming from the winners bracket they'd still have lost
@followMVT
Shantastic
Profile Joined October 2011
United States435 Posts
March 10 2012 22:02 GMT
#1697
On March 11 2012 06:54 Spooony wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2012 06:49 Shantastic wrote:
It may have been for fun, but at the end of the day, it was a winner/loser bracket format tournament for $1,000, so please stop saying it was for fun. When there's money involved, you have to deliver on the tournament. I love TB as much as the next cattlebruiser, but EG got screwed out of their fair chance to win $1,000 because he didn't understand double-elim. Simple as that.


$1k put up by the person holding the tournament,

He can choose to use whatever format he wishes.

Don't get angry at a guy for putting his own money on a fun little tournament,


Where the money comes from is not the responsibility of EG or Liquid or Quantic or Dignitas. Four players invested five hours (one of them sacrificing sleep) into an opportunity to make $1,000 under the condition that they had to lose two series to be eliminated. The players were then told at the abrupt end of their time investment that they would not be given any advantage for having been the only team to go undefeated.
"My grandpa could have proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, but he's also dead." -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
TaintedMeat
Profile Joined September 2011
United States19 Posts
March 10 2012 22:04 GMT
#1698
On March 11 2012 06:34 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Sad even though, I created the entire thing and made it possible for everyone


*fixed
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
March 10 2012 22:05 GMT
#1699
Maybe they could have played two bo3s instead, MLG style? Where EG would have won if they took the first bo3 and Liquid having to win both. Oh well it was still a fun thing to watch, props to TB putting it on. <3
jmbthirteen
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States10734 Posts
March 10 2012 22:07 GMT
#1700
On March 11 2012 06:59 Vaelone wrote:
I enjoyed the tournament, was something new and different and I feel sorry over the people bitching about the format considering it wasn't supposed to be a serious tournament at all and rematch didn't even cross my mind even though I'm aware of how double elimination usually works.

Anyway from wikipedia:
Show nested quote +

The championship finals of a double elimination tournament is usually set up to be a possible two games. The rationale is that since the tournament is indeed double elimination, it is unfair to have the Winners' Bracket champion eliminated with its first loss. Therefore, while the Winners' Bracket champion needs to beat the Losers' Bracket champion only once to win the tournament, the Losers' Bracket champion must beat the Winners' Bracket champion twice.

In some tournaments, however, the final game is always winner-take-all, or always a best-of-three set of games, with the usual advantage of the last Winner's Bracket team ignored.


But keep on whining EG fans, it would have been the same system even if EG came from lower bracket. At least they had the advantage of playing one match less unless if I lost count somewhere.

So because some tournaments are use a stupid set up, it makes it not stupid? No, thats not how it works.

Liquid fans would be upset if they were in EG's situation too.
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