On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
Take from that what you will.
As for "hyped" players, hype is irrelevant. Ret is still doing fantastic, Haypro actually has done a lot better near the end of the year result-wise, and TLO whom people hate overcame a serious injury, two months of not playing the game, and a race change, and is playing great right now.
You could make an argument for Jinro, but he's "fallen off" of the GSL semi-finals and a Code S regular level - a position no other foreigner ever reached in the first place (and probably never will) even with all the free invites they're getting.
However you turn it, that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
Who?
On February 21 2012 07:47 Whatson wrote: Chill out dude. He has an opinion, is there something wrong with that? It is pretty valid and very relevant, and if the head of TL is going to get pissed off because of a comment like that...idk. something's wrong with the world then.
There's nothing wrong with him having an opinion, it just so happens that the opinion itself is misguided.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
Take from that what you will.
As for "hyped" players, hype is irrelevant. Ret is still doing fantastic, Haypro actually has done a lot better near the end of the year result-wise, and TLO whom people hate overcame a serious injury, two months of not playing the game, and a race change, and is playing great right now.
You could make an argument for Jinro, but he's "fallen off" of the GSL semi-finals and a Code S regular level - a position no other foreigner ever reached in the first place (and probably never will) even with all the free invites they're getting.
However you turn it, that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
On February 21 2012 07:47 Whatson wrote: Chill out dude. He has an opinion, is there something wrong with that? It is pretty valid and very relevant, and if the head of TL is going to get pissed off because of a comment like that...idk. something's wrong with the world then.
There's nothing wrong with him having an opinion, it just so happens that the opinion itself is misguided.
I have no idea if you're trolling or not on the first part. Saying that his opinion is misguided is also your opinion. Your opinion is misguided. BOOM.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
Who?
On February 21 2012 07:47 Whatson wrote: Chill out dude. He has an opinion, is there something wrong with that? It is pretty valid and very relevant, and if the head of TL is going to get pissed off because of a comment like that...idk. something's wrong with the world then.
There's nothing wrong with him having an opinion, it just so happens that the opinion itself is misguided.
I have no idea if you're trolling or not on the first part. Saying that his opinion is misguided is also your opinion. Your opinion is misguided. BOOM.
Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. It actually revolves around facts, not opinions.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
Who?
On February 21 2012 07:47 Whatson wrote: Chill out dude. He has an opinion, is there something wrong with that? It is pretty valid and very relevant, and if the head of TL is going to get pissed off because of a comment like that...idk. something's wrong with the world then.
There's nothing wrong with him having an opinion, it just so happens that the opinion itself is misguided.
I have no idea if you're trolling or not on the first part. Saying that his opinion is misguided is also your opinion. Your opinion is misguided. BOOM.
Unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. It actually revolves around facts, not opinions.
(boom btw)
^That's also an opinion...idk this is getting boring.
Could you guys stop with the unnecessary drama/bashing? As a mouz fan, I am proud with them not recruiting koreans and staying purely a "foreigner" team, but that doesn't mean mocking another team for recruiting koreans is a smart and well mannered thing. In irrelevant to the team thread too.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
Take from that what you will.
As for "hyped" players, hype is irrelevant. Ret is still doing fantastic, Haypro actually has done a lot better near the end of the year result-wise, and TLO whom people hate overcame a serious injury, two months of not playing the game, and a race change, and is playing great right now.
You could make an argument for Jinro, but he's "fallen off" of the GSL semi-finals and a Code S regular level - a position no other foreigner ever reached in the first place (and probably never will) even with all the free invites they're getting.
However you turn it, that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
Take from that what you will.
I´m not going to jump on the liquid hate train, but your statement makes it sound, that Mouz only looks for good results and kicks players without them. This paints a false picture of the team IMO.
Looking at the departed players of Mouz you have three groups of players:
1. Players who left the team on their own wish to walk other paths in their gaming career (White-Ra / Strelok) 2. Players who went inactive (Dreiven, Ghosta, Rasowy) 3. Players, who still play, but couldn´t bring the necessary commitment. This can be because of lacking motivation (Naama according to his own statements) or simple lack of time (Paranoid, Syck, Lomo)
This is just my view as a spectator, who follows the team for around a decade now, but I think what you need to be part of Mouz is talent, effort and commitment. If you have that, you don´t need to always post amazing results. You are allowed to get into a slump like Hasu at the beginning of this year or Mana for a few months last year. They also won´t force you to take part in every tourney you could, if you prefer to train more and be perfectly set for the tournaments you want to play (Morrow). What they want to see, is that you work hard and are willing to play when you are needed.
A perfect example for that iw team leagues. Mouz fields their A-roster for nearly every match. From time to time you see only three of them and Bigs as solid back up. That shows commitment from their top players.
In this regard Mouz is not really different to liquid. Just like Mouz, they have players who have a hard time occasionally, but are willing to work their butt off to get out of their slumps. This is, what is important for them. The only player of liquid, who is a little bit of a special case is Tyler/Nony, but he is a community figure who contributes in other ways to the team.
Now in regards of the Korean players at liquid:
Liquid was the first team that made ties to the Korean scene with their corporation with oGs. This allowed foreigners to compete there. It is only right, that liquid profits from this ties and strengthens their roster. As long as they don´t become a complete mercenary team, their way of doing things is absolutely legit. Mouz chooses another way for their SC II squad, but it is far from being the only right one.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
Take from that what you will.
I´m not going to jump on the liquid hate train, but your statement makes it sound, that Mouz only looks for good results and kicks players without them. This paints a false picture of the team IMO.
Looking at the departed players of Mouz you have three groups of players:
1. Players who left the team on their own wish to walk other paths in their gaming career (White-Ra / Strelok) 2. Players who went inactive (Dreiven, Ghosta, Rasowy) 3. Players, who still play, but couldn´t bring the necessary commitment. This can be because of lacking motivation (Naama according to his own statements) or simple lack of time (Paranoid, Syck, Lomo)
This is just my view as a spectator, who follows the team for around a decade now, but I think what you need to be part of Mouz is talent, effort and commitment. If you have that, you don´t need to always post amazing results. You are allowed to get into a slump like Hasu at the beginning of this year or Mana for a few months last year. They also won´t force you to take part in every tourney you could, if you prefer to train more and be perfectly set for the tournaments you want to play (Morrow). What they want to see, is that you work hard and are willing to play when you are needed.
A perfect example for that iw team leagues. Mouz fields their A-roster for nearly every match. From time to time you see only three of them and Bigs as solid back up. That shows commitment from their top players.
In this regard Mouz is not really different to liquid. Just like Mouz, they have players who have a hard time occasionally, but are willing to work their butt off to get out of their slumps. This is, what is important for them. The only player of liquid, who is a little bit of a special case is Tyler/Nony, but he is a community figure who contributes in other ways to the team.
Now in regards of the Korean players at liquid:
Liquid was the first team that made ties to the Korean scene with their corporation with oGs. This allowed foreigners to compete there. It is only right, that liquid profits from this ties and strengthens their roster. As long as they don´t become a complete mercenary team, their way of doing things is absolutely legit. Mouz chooses another way for their SC II squad, but it is far from being the only right one.
Naama left because Virus offered him better support/more money than Mouz (although they didn't keep their promises), at least that's what he said in an interview. And afaik Syck was kicked because of lacking motivation, after he dropped out of the EAS because he didn't want to play anymore.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
They would have kept him if they had the choice...
If I were Team Liquid manager, I would have locked HuK in for 10 years.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
How did they buy Zenio? HE WAS TEAMLESS... Also if you read the thing about when HerO joined liquid Thewind didn't seem to be mad and they said they had been negotiating with them for a long time before they actually acquired him. Also Mouz got Thorzain from Prae...
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
How did they buy Zenio? HE WAS TEAMLESS... Also if you read the thing about when HerO joined liquid Thewind didn't seem to be mad and they said they had been negotiating with them for a long time before they actually acquired him. Also Mouz got Thorzain from Prae...
Prae disbanded. And buying korean players does not, in any way, automatically imply that the ex-coach is gonna go mad and throw a tantrum. Only a certain coach does that. So, not sure what your point is.
Mousesports, I like... At least it seems their players care about their team. The same is to say about Empire. The players may not bring in the top results in single leagues, but they manage to shine in team leagues. Even against teams with players who seem to be out of their leagues...
But I still do not like the Bo1 format of NASTL. Play a Bo3! No need to broadcast all of the matches. Since you cast from replays, edit it.
Sorry for bad wording and grammar. Feel free to correct at will.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
However you turn it, that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest.
Chill out dude. He has an opinion, is there something wrong with that? It is pretty valid and very relevant, and if the head of TL is going to get pissed off because of a comment like that...idk. something's wrong with the world then.
I don't read anger in Nazgul's reply and i doubt he'd be angry about that, but he does care, and it's his good right to reply this person, to bad your trying to drama it up though.
And off all teams that aquired koreans Liquid is unique, that some fail to see this is rather unfortunate.
In the end though what are we talking about ? Mouz is a solid and great team they chose there path like liquid did with oGs and Korea, both are bearing there fruits just in a different way. Same could be said about Empire and many more.
OT : Grats Mouz ! I knew last year performances were no fluke, glad to see Hasu winning again to, the dude is great.
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
Take from that what you will.
As for "hyped" players, hype is irrelevant. Ret is still doing fantastic, Haypro actually has done a lot better near the end of the year result-wise, and TLO whom people hate overcame a serious injury, two months of not playing the game, and a race change, and is playing great right now.
You could make an argument for Jinro, but he's "fallen off" of the GSL semi-finals and a Code S regular level - a position no other foreigner ever reached in the first place (and probably never will) even with all the free invites they're getting.
However you turn it, that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest.
Seriously, who hates TLO?
A lot of Germans.
good to know! ;-) if anything, then the average german is disappointed in his results because other germans are delivering better results. he could have done so much. Being on team liquid, he had everything he needed to become a legend...
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results.
LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...
On February 21 2012 07:40 Talin wrote:
On February 21 2012 05:35 turdburgler wrote:
On February 20 2012 21:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*
Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.
However you turn it, that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest.
Chill out dude. He has an opinion, is there something wrong with that? It is pretty valid and very relevant, and if the head of TL is going to get pissed off because of a comment like that...idk. something's wrong with the world then.
I don't read anger in Nazgul's reply and i doubt he'd be angry about that, but he does care, and it's his good right to reply this person, to bad your trying to drama it up though.
I'm kind of obviously responding to the guy who said "that comment was just a cheap jab and has no validity or relevance in the slightest" when it was clearly an opinion stated to Liquid'Nazgul by somebody else on the team. I'm saying that I don't believe think Nazgul will be pissed off about a comment like that because people are entitled to their own opinions. Please read before mindlessly posting and trying to stir up drama. Thanks.
[QUOTE]On February 21 2012 07:53 Talin wrote: [QUOTE]On February 21 2012 07:47 Whatson wrote: [QUOTE]On February 21 2012 07:40 Talin wrote: [QUOTE]On February 21 2012 05:35 turdburgler wrote: [QUOTE]On February 20 2012 21:44 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: [QUOTE]On February 20 2012 20:24 FunkyFerdi wrote: wow mouz is still winning with nearly the same players they had a year ago, who were very good even back then *cough* liquid *cough*[/QUOTE] Are you hating on us for bringing up talented players, and having them foster and reach new heights in our team, or are you saying we weren't good one year ago, when Jinro finished Ro4 GSL and Ret won Assembly?[/QUOTE]
he is saying you bought zenio and hero, while mouz have stuck with the same players. where as the players of yours who were hyped last year arent hyped so much anymore.
take from that what you will.[/QUOTE]
Thorzain was bought a mere few months before HerO, that hardly makes him a founding member of Mousesports. Likewise, Naama, Lomo, Rafa and a few other players on the roster who weren't doing well left the team, whereas Liquid kept all their players regardless of results. [/QUOTE] LOL... I remember a certain Protoss DH and HSC champion...[/QUOTE]
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