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Layour stolen from the closed thread, I will keep it updated however.
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Good start for violet and i hope bigs can win now... he should! thanks for the thread.
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yeah, thx for the thread
Brazilians got a win now, lets see if he can take a series
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bigs is playing potiguar, not violet ^.^ thanks for the thread though
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He should close his mouth though :D. In Brazil it`s rude to eat with ur open mouth hahaha, even if its a chewing gum.. but its like i`m really being an ass here.. Go Potiguar!
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On February 09 2012 23:16 SabreUK wrote:
bigs is playing potiguar, not violet ^.^ thanks for the thread though
fixed ;p. all the weird brackets are messing up reading it  .
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GO POTIGUAR!!
glad to see some brazilian playing the game as it should be!
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LOL at Bitter calling Poti's strat in the first game CHEESE.
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Portiguar has Bigs number so far. Very unimpressed with Bigs, very impressed with Portiguar.
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Portiguar still manages to mess this up. Had full energy on both nexi, than he chronoboosted probes, but then didnt build addittional probes.
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On February 09 2012 23:20 Dexington wrote:
Portiguar has Bigs number so far. Very unimpressed with Bigs, very impressed with Portiguar.
Wanna change that?
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Poti had this game from the opening, but not actually a good player. Just good and smart pre-planned builds.
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On February 09 2012 23:31 Zdrastochye wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:20 Dexington wrote:
Portiguar has Bigs number so far. Very unimpressed with Bigs, very impressed with Portiguar. Wanna change that?
No? Bigs is on Mouz, he should be stomping Portiguar with ease. I'm still unimpressed.
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Casting is great! RotterdaM ftw <3. :D
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Best place for a Dark Shrine?
Probably right behind the wall off yeah?
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On February 09 2012 23:39 mvtaylor wrote:
Best place for a Dark Shrine?
Probably right behind the wall off yeah?
Every position can work sometimes while good positions can suck, too.
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His forcefields are beautiful 
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Potiguar actually is quite impressive. That was some slick defending.
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Potiguar showing some great defense atm.
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On February 09 2012 23:44 gakkgakk wrote:
Potiguar actually is quite impressive. That was some slick defending.
I'm wondering if he's actually really playing good or whether biGs isn't doing so well... because i thought biGs is gonna own him for sure and now it doesn't look like it, he might even lose.
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On February 09 2012 23:44 Tarotis wrote:His forcefields are beautiful
His ff were pretty random in g2
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On February 09 2012 23:48 clusen wrote:His ff were pretty random in g2
Top notch in game 1 and 3 though
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no mothership no win ....
edit: finally, man that is late.
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Cant engage the brood lord/infestor/spine army, gg
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Mommy inc
EDIT : and it's gone 0_0
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Portiguar could have won that, some great late game warp prism harass but three terrible army engagements as he waited for broods to come out and then didn't start a mothership for way too long
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On February 09 2012 23:54 mvtaylor wrote:
Portiguar could have won that, some great late game warp prism harass but three terrible army engagements as he waited for broods to come out and then didn't start a mothership for way too long
Exactly, at such games where the zerg has so many spine crawlers and is starting tons of broodlords, i don't think there should be anything in your mind except "damn i need a mothership"
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On February 09 2012 23:55 HolydaKing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 09 2012 23:54 mvtaylor wrote:
Portiguar could have won that, some great late game warp prism harass but three terrible army engagements as he waited for broods to come out and then didn't start a mothership for way too long Exactly, at such games where the zerg has so many spine crawlers and is starting tons of broodlords, i don't think there should be anything in your mind except "damn i need a mothership"
Actually it should be "damn, this game is so terrible.. i hope they fix this".. And then you build a Mothership and pray fors ome Zerg stupidity while still cursing the gamedesigners...
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From my experience as a Stephano`s fan who watches his stream a little bit, I`ve realized that army: infestor, broodlord and spines is pretty much unbeatable. I`ve never seen a prottos winning a game against that. The only reason Kiwikaki won against Stephano in Shaterred was because Sthano didnt split his broodlords against Archon Tailoet.
Thats why MC always beat Stephano: he never lets the french guy go late game against him.
Im zerg aswell.
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On February 10 2012 00:00 SASBC wrote:
From my experience as a Stephano`s fan who watches his stream a little bit, I`ve realized that army: infestor, broodlord and spines is pretty much unbeatable. I`ve never seen a prottos winning a game against that. The only reason Kiwikaki won against Stephano in Shaterred was because Sthano didnt split his broodlords against Archon Tailoet.
Thats why MC always beat Stephano: he never lets the french guy go late game against him.
Im zerg aswell.
Some Protoss have beaten that, like HerO against Dimaga and some others. It always seems that if the Zerg splits his army, he wins, but I don't see any zerg doing it.
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The host is COMPLETELY clueless, it's embarassing how unaware of starcraft, or pretty much anything eSports related he is, he keeps asking retarded questions like "what race does X player plays?" to hand out prizes and just now he asked for one of the brazillian casters to ask a more complex question for those that are more 'addicted', that's exactly what the old people think of gaming here in Brazil, I expected more than my freaking mom as the host.
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On February 10 2012 00:08 Tur wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 00:00 SASBC wrote:
From my experience as a Stephano`s fan who watches his stream a little bit, I`ve realized that army: infestor, broodlord and spines is pretty much unbeatable. I`ve never seen a prottos winning a game against that. The only reason Kiwikaki won against Stephano in Shaterred was because Sthano didnt split his broodlords against Archon Tailoet.
Thats why MC always beat Stephano: he never lets the french guy go late game against him.
Im zerg aswell. Some Protoss have beaten that, like HerO against Dimaga and some others. It always seems that if the Zerg splits his army, he wins, but I don't see any zerg doing it.
Same, haven't seen it yet. Plus with full energy you can do 2 vortex's i think. So can you really split against two of them? O_o
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On February 10 2012 00:00 SASBC wrote:
From my experience as a Stephano`s fan who watches his stream a little bit, I`ve realized that army: infestor, broodlord and spines is pretty much unbeatable. I`ve never seen a prottos winning a game against that. The only reason Kiwikaki won against Stephano in Shaterred was because Sthano didnt split his broodlords against Archon Tailoet.
Thats why MC always beat Stephano: he never lets the french guy go late game against him.
Im zerg aswell.
The protoss needs mothership with a few good vortex. Otherwise it's extreemly hard.
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Anyone else having problems with the stream right now? Mine will start up, but then stop about 10 seconds later.
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On February 10 2012 00:14 joen05 wrote:
Anyone else having problems with the stream right now? Mine will start up, but then stop about 10 seconds later.
Stream was doing that for me about 20 minutes ago, but is ok now... More so I have an issue with the half hour long breaks between games
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Sase warp prism?... except it's a probe instead of a sentry hmm
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Double rainbow/robo ftw >.<
Nice build btw
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Rob is a great caster. He should do more stuff like this
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God those immortal busts ZvP are so hard to hold.
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gosh, I love Robs voice...<3
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real has got this i think. sad for bigs =(
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Ya... this has just been going downhill for biGs. The mutas are not paying off against those phoenix.
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i'm also happy for real though. anything less than 2nd in this group would be a disaster for him i guess..
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Extreme questionable decision, ur opponent go stargate play and counter with mutas?
With phoenix he never let u get a huge number of Mutas.
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On February 10 2012 00:40 PeaCeR wrote:
Extreme questionable decision, ur opponent go stargate play and counter with mutas?
With phoenix he never let u get a huge number of Mutas.
Thats exactly what NesTea did today...and we saw the result 
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Rob is pretty handsome and a charming fellow.
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On February 10 2012 00:40 PeaCeR wrote:
Extreme questionable decision, ur opponent go stargate play and counter with mutas?
With phoenix he never let u get a huge number of Mutas.
Thats actually not uncommon?
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On February 10 2012 00:45 Velr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 00:40 PeaCeR wrote:
Extreme questionable decision, ur opponent go stargate play and counter with mutas?
With phoenix he never let u get a huge number of Mutas. Thats actually not uncommon?
Usually you bild a few corruptors though to kill thr phoenixes
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On February 10 2012 00:52 Deshkar wrote:
Geez disaster by Poti.
I think every protoss out here knows the feeling of having Zerglings in your base in the early game :/
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oh violet how much do i love watching you play
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so nexus first vs speedlings huh...
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On February 10 2012 00:55 Xacez wrote:
That was not even funny.
That was hilarious. No sarcasm
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that must be depressing to lose just by banes rolling over ALL your stuff
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trollmode engaged. violet ftw
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yeah man, violet got some skills!
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Picked off all the sentries, it's nice when banelings can actually connect with protoss stuff.
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On February 10 2012 00:52 Tarotis wrote:I think every protoss out here knows the feeling of having Zerglings in your base in the early game :/
He had a hole in his building placement, made things a lot easier for the Zerg.
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On February 10 2012 00:57 Deshkar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 00:52 Tarotis wrote:On February 10 2012 00:52 Deshkar wrote:
Geez disaster by Poti. I think every protoss out here knows the feeling of having Zerglings in your base in the early game :/ He had a hole in his building placement, made things a lot easier for the Zerg.
I think every protoss out here knows the feeling of having a hole in his wall
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On February 10 2012 00:57 Zdrastochye wrote:
Picked off all the sentries, it's nice when banelings can actually connect with protoss stuff.
I think there were no sentries?
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This isnt a late expand Rotterdam. Thats just the normal BO :/
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Did Rob say that one of the players spawned in the "kitty corner" ? XD
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On February 10 2012 01:00 dafunk wrote:
This isnt a late expand Rotterdam. Thats just the normal BO :/
Well, if you compare it you nexus before cannon it is quite a late expand
Edit: So much gas for violet? prolly going for nydus because its imba on terminus :D
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On February 10 2012 00:58 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 00:57 Deshkar wrote:On February 10 2012 00:52 Tarotis wrote:On February 10 2012 00:52 Deshkar wrote:
Geez disaster by Poti. I think every protoss out here knows the feeling of having Zerglings in your base in the early game :/ He had a hole in his building placement, made things a lot easier for the Zerg. I think every protoss out here knows the feeling of having a hole in his wall
Or having a tight wall, blocked by an unexplainably not-so-tight zealot.
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For those who might be curious: "potiguar" is someone who's from the Brazilian state of Rio Grande do Norte.
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Is this the same Nydus all-in that Losira used to do on this map?
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That gum APM is impressive.
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portuguese protoss? seriously rotti?
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On February 10 2012 01:02 dmnum wrote:portuguese protoss? seriously rotti?
*cough* He talks portuguese, so its not that wrong I guess...
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Those forcefields were not so good
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Well there's no way he'll ever breach that :o
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sooo bad ff by poti. Even though nydus failed violet is still ahead in worked count... ownage
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On February 10 2012 01:04 Tarotis wrote:*cough* He talks portuguese, so its not that wrong I guess...
Not that wrong? Try telling someone born in the US that he/she is English.
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That spine placement is terrible for tower defence.
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On February 10 2012 01:06 Paraiba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 01:04 Tarotis wrote:On February 10 2012 01:02 dmnum wrote:portuguese protoss? seriously rotti? *cough* He talks portuguese, so its not that wrong I guess... Not that wrong? Try telling someone born in the US that he/she is English.
I used to use the cough as an indication of sarcarsm
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It seems to be impossible to hide pylons from violet. He finds them all.
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Oh god make him stop chewing gum. Make it stop : (
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What kind of muta defense is that. No canon, no archon, push and pray TT
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On February 10 2012 01:06 Paraiba wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 01:04 Tarotis wrote:On February 10 2012 01:02 dmnum wrote:portuguese protoss? seriously rotti? *cough* He talks portuguese, so its not that wrong I guess... Not that wrong? Try telling someone born in the US that he/she is English.
I think it's pretty bad, brazilian players should be called brazilian, he's really good and brazil needs the rep for it
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this is beyond over... so one-sided
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I think Potiguar can still advance if he wins 2:0 and violet as well...
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This chewing guy played sooo bad...
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as soon as that xGate timing was slapped away with those spines, the game was over.
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On February 10 2012 01:10 MrCon wrote:
push and pray TT
Story of my sex life...
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They should stream violet vs bigs because the winner of this match definetly advances. Not true for Potiguar vs ReaL, though I personally would prefer a PvP :/ Too much ZvZ in this tournament
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PvP please..... The next 6 matches will be ZvZ.....
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On February 10 2012 01:07 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 01:06 Paraiba wrote:On February 10 2012 01:04 Tarotis wrote:On February 10 2012 01:02 dmnum wrote:portuguese protoss? seriously rotti? *cough* He talks portuguese, so its not that wrong I guess... Not that wrong? Try telling someone born in the US that he/she is English. I used to use the cough as an indication of sarcarsm
DIdn't catch that. Well the point still stands for Rotti!
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Whats the song of the name in the begining of this commercial?
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so this group could go 3-0, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2...almost never happens though so i guess chances are low
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On February 10 2012 01:29 nath wrote:
so this group could go 3-0, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2...almost never happens though so i guess chances are low
In PvP and ZvZ, everything is possible
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On February 10 2012 01:29 nath wrote:
so this group could go 3-0, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2...almost never happens though so i guess chances are low
or it could go 2-1, 2-1 ,2-1 ,0-3
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oh my god,this guy just eat his own nails.
Arghhhhhhhhh
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On February 10 2012 01:34 dragonborn wrote:
oh my god,this guy just eat his own nails.
Arghhhhhhhhh
He throw them away lol.. are you that stupid?
And he`s nervous, so what? Everyone has some weird thing
User was warned for this post
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On February 10 2012 01:34 dragonborn wrote:
oh my god,this guy just eat his own nails.
Arghhhhhhhhh
Lol I don't think that was his intention of telling the story, I think he wanted to do the shout out to the guy, but I agree that sounded kind of bad.... lol
**Lol I think I misunderstood your post sorry.
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lol Seems like Mr Bitter is in storytelling mode.
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should have not supply blocked, pushed and won while warping in to defend.
he had that game ez but real is just much better.
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:\ Poti :\ wtf?...so many fundamental mistakes :\
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On February 10 2012 01:30 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 01:29 nath wrote:
so this group could go 3-0, 1-2, 1-2, 1-2...almost never happens though so i guess chances are low In PvP and ZvZ, everything is possible
Nah, PvP is really being consistently won by the superior player nowdays.
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Potiguar actually plays a lot on the EU server, so im surprised rotti hasnt met him on ladder yet 
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WTF FrageXectors is polish (ESC gaming now).
I am dissapoint bitterdam.
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anyone know which headset e.g. real is using? thx
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Have i been taking acid or is the backdrop moving?
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Snute coming up! :D:D Anyone know song name playing now? (break before group D games)
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How long of a break until next match?
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Did biGs and Violet really only played one map? Why?
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wow Ret is really sweating
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GG guy in the background :D
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stupid guys on the back...
it was funny at first, but they reaaaaaly overdone it.
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LOL these guys in the background
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LOL @ the fat guy in the back scratching his belly :D
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Just came home - Zerg time!!! Unlike many, I ♥ ZvZ.
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Twitch`s chat is so so hurtful.. I want to kill myself LOL
"rets girlfriend is so ew he could do so much better with his godly chiseled jaw and cheekbones"
hahahaha jesus..
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Terran Mules, Terran Rules! xD
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Yeah guys, we get it. F U N N Y.
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and the stream goes dooooooooown
and now gets uuuuup
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I bet the rain is going on on Sao Paulo right now made the stream dies.
I bet my life .
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lol, this is great
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Damn it must be hot over there, Ret is sweating hardcore.
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This is starting to get awkward
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Ret:
"Haypro - Overlord for beeing passive, floating around
Tyler - Baneling, can do much damage
TLO - Queen, metro, cares about fashion, cares for TL
Jinro - Mutalisk, practising, sometimes he flies into a turret
Hero - Lurker, came up from nowhere
Nazgul - Overmind
Zenio - Hydra, loves Hydra"
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Ret <3
He really thought DRONES.
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HerO is definitely more of a Corsair material.
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On February 10 2012 02:22 neocron wrote:
Ret:
"Haypro - Overlord for beeing passive, floating around
Tyler - Baneling, can do much damage
TLO - Queen, metro, cares about fashion, cares for TL
Jinro - Mutalisk, practising, sometimes he flies into a turret
Hero - Lurker, came up from nowhere
Skull - Overmind
Zenio - Hydra, loves Hydra"
Nazgul not skull i think
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On February 10 2012 02:23 theBALLS wrote:
Ret <3
He really thought DRONES.
Lol was funny how he misunderstood the true meaning
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On February 10 2012 02:22 neocron wrote:
Ret:
"Haypro - Overlord for beeing passive, floating around
Tyler - Baneling, can do much damage
TLO - Queen, metro, cares about fashion, cares for TL
Jinro - Mutalisk, practising, sometimes he flies into a turret
Hero - Lurker, came up from nowhere
Skull - Overmind
Zenio - Hydra, loves Hydra"
I think Nazgul was overmind, no?
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On February 10 2012 02:23 theBALLS wrote:
Ret <3
He really thought DRONES.
He must have been trolling.
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On February 10 2012 02:23 Talin wrote:
HerO is definitely more of a Corsair material.
Or mothership. In lategame is insanely op.
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On February 10 2012 02:23 Zarahtra wrote:Lol was funny how he misunderstood the true meaning
Duh, you must know Ret eats, sleeps, and breathes drones, it's like all he thinks about, lol haven't you seen him play?
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i thought the interviewer kind of silly but funny
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That interview was painfully awkward. Ret's face at the end said it all.
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wow.. never saw this D3 trailer before. :o
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Sorry but if HotBid is anything of the Zerg race he has to be a changeling! No way around that!
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HotBid's more like a Carrier imo.
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Heart of the Swarm *droll*
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HotBid is more like a proxy hatch, the ultimate Zerg troll.
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On February 10 2012 02:27 cyni wrote:
That interview was painfully awkward. Ret's face at the end said it all.
I thought it was cool
Some people just see awkward everywhere.. If you think you're awkward, that is why you are awkward :-)))
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On February 10 2012 02:30 Paraiba wrote:
HotBid is more like a proxy hatch, the ultimate Zerg troll.
Nothing feel more trolly than a changeling looking around pretending to be on your side.
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About an hour to go, right?
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edit: Nevermind, wrong thread.
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That last part of the interview was so so bad, with giving people in-game unit names.
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Hmm, I can't think of a single tournament where a Korean got knocked out in the group stages where there were 2 Koreans or less.
Anyone remember any Korean get knocked out in group stages by non-Koreans?
There were some who lost in the entry bracket to MLG, but that is a whole different story.
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On February 10 2012 02:33 Latham wrote:
That last part of the interview was so so bad, with giving people in-game unit names.
i thought it was fun, just a few too many people, so it became a bit awkward in the end.
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On February 10 2012 02:34 MrCash wrote:
Hmm, I can't think of a single tournament where a Korean got knocked out in the group stages where there were 2 Koreans or less.
Anyone remember any Korean get knocked out in group stages by non-Koreans?
There were some who lost in the entry bracket to MLG, but that is a whole different story.
HSC IV, Hero got knocked out of the second group stage, with Nerchio and Violet advancing from his group.
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On February 10 2012 02:32 TheBB wrote:
About an hour to go, right?
more like another 3 or 4. A whole group is still to be played out. Mass zvz however, so you could be right with one hour
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On February 10 2012 02:36 CosmoK wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:34 MrCash wrote:
Hmm, I can't think of a single tournament where a Korean got knocked out in the group stages where there were 2 Koreans or less.
Anyone remember any Korean get knocked out in group stages by non-Koreans?
There were some who lost in the entry bracket to MLG, but that is a whole different story. HSC IV, Hero got knocked out of the second group stage, with Nerchio and Violet advancing from his group.
I think there were more than 2 koreans there... he said where 2 or less, meaning they were lacking..
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On February 10 2012 02:39 Devise wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:36 CosmoK wrote:On February 10 2012 02:34 MrCash wrote:
Hmm, I can't think of a single tournament where a Korean got knocked out in the group stages where there were 2 Koreans or less.
Anyone remember any Korean get knocked out in group stages by non-Koreans?
There were some who lost in the entry bracket to MLG, but that is a whole different story. HSC IV, Hero got knocked out of the second group stage, with Nerchio and Violet advancing from his group. I think there were more than 2 koreans there... he said where 2 or less, meaning they were lacking..
Hero in IEM Kiev, Dimaga and Feast advanced.
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Ben Nichol @MrBitterTV
Will be live with @robpsimpson shortly. Have any questions for the man? Leave 'em here. I'll ask as many as I can
Lan?!
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Translator guy should have worn a smaller t-shirt imo
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'Anything to say to this audience?'
'Euh'.
'OOUUHHHHHOHHH!'
Haha, laughed so hard.
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Wow Pedroca didn`t know you were that fat
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always feels so weird when an interview gets translated from a more understandable language to a less understandable one
...also, I kinda speak Spanish, but Portuguese sounds sooo different to me :/
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haha this translator is so funny
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Guys, please write every question MrBitter asks Rob plus the answer down, I have to leave know and want to read what he says :/ Feel free to pm me, thank you!!!
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This translator is really funny.
He's quite excited to be there, it's transparent ... lol :D
he seems electrified!
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Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all
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its not "SNOOT" Carmac, its "Snute" as in snout
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awww listen to Snute, no corny Norwenglish, makes a nerd proud. :D
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On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all
No we don`t lol :D
Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^
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Did MrBitter just say "Intel Bong"? haha
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On February 10 2012 02:44 SASBC wrote:
Wow Pedroca didn`t know you were that fat
wtf?
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On February 10 2012 02:47 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all No we don`t lol :D Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^
Was about to post that :D
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The guys with the white shirt reminds me ElkY hahah
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On February 10 2012 02:47 SupLilSon wrote:
Did MrBitter just say "Intel Bong"? haha
Intel Gong ;p
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On February 10 2012 02:47 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all No we don`t lol :D Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^
True, I know this from playing HoN and DOTA with Brazilians XD
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On February 10 2012 02:47 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all No we don`t lol :D Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^
most of the audience do know english, you can tell by the fact that they were cheering when snute said he would try to give great games before it was translated
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Fuck, I can never see the difference between the two players in ZvZ... Especially not here since this is 450p...
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On February 10 2012 02:48 SupLilSon wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:47 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all No we don`t lol :D Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^ True, I know this from playing HoN and DOTA with Brazilians XD
We're sorry you have to go through this, no sarcasm.
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and the ZvZ madness may begin
Snute Slivko could be the decider for 2nd place in that group
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On February 10 2012 02:48 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:47 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all No we don`t lol :D Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^ most of the audience do know english, you can tell by the fact that they were cheering when snute said he would try to give great games before it was translated
You are counting out the brazilian stream with 2k+ ppl
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Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^[/QUOTE]
most of the audience do know english, you can tell by the fact that they were cheering when snute said he would try to give great games before it was translated[/QUOTE]
Agreed
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wtf Bitter? You're better because your mother tongue is English or something? I don't think you even speak any second language... cut the ignorant "jokes"...
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On February 10 2012 02:50 leandroqm wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:48 dmnum wrote:On February 10 2012 02:47 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 02:46 YoungModerN wrote:
Most of brazilians know english but i think thats necessary for all No we don`t lol :D Brazilians suck at english, thats a fact ^^ most of the audience do know english, you can tell by the fact that they were cheering when snute said he would try to give great games before it was translated You are counting out the brazilian stream with 2k+ ppl
oh that didnt cross my mind. yeah you're right
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On February 10 2012 02:49 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Fuck, I can never see the difference between the two players in ZvZ... Especially not here since this is 450p...
Watch the brazilian stream 720p+, mute it and listen to the eng stream http://pt-br.twitch.tv/esltvbrasil
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Man, that's a really crappy way to die..
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Gogogo Snute! (But given how he lost 2-0 to Bigs, and how wholly unimpressive bigs was today I'm not confident in our beautiful norwegian hope)
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Im watching the english stream. Its ridiculous to hear the units casted in portuguese
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What is the food Bitter just ate before commenting this ?
Brazilian food can be risky you know :o
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On February 10 2012 02:52 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:49 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Fuck, I can never see the difference between the two players in ZvZ... Especially not here since this is 450p... Watch the brazilian stream 720p+, mute it and listen to the eng stream http://pt-br.twitch.tv/esltvbrasil
Thank you. Tried that before, but the audio/video isn't really synced. Thanks anyway!
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On February 10 2012 02:52 Rowa wrote:What is the food Bitter just ate before commenting this ? Brazilian food can be risky you know :o
wut?
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backing to the game
nice drone kills by snute
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'Snout' destroying Slivko this game
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wtf
look at the food count =)
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damn, Snute goes crazy with his banes
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Slivko's confidence seems a bit foolish now.
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Snute got this game in the bag, Snute Hwating!
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sneaky banes at the back of the nature.. nicely done.. think its gg already
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norway master race, da! GO SNUTE :D
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he´s proving he is good in zvz early game
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Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke.
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Snute and Norway, good combination =D
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On February 10 2012 02:59 Laids wrote:
Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke.
How so? I think the MU is just fine and entertaining.
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On February 10 2012 02:59 Laids wrote:
Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke.
What? I feel like people who complain about PvP and ZvZ just don't understand them. Snute played much better there, Slivko made a mistake and was punished for it.
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Woooooo! Snute!! Get that 2-0!
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Damn bitter, get off the guy. He isn't a frickin developer...
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Bitter putting on the heat!
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Slivko let the lings runby, then the banes, then gg
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Snute got this!! GOGOGO! Bitter biased towards slivko much? XD If anything, snute is the one out of the two who can take games of ret imo! >o<''
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On February 10 2012 03:00 Leetley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 02:59 Laids wrote:
Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke. How so? I think the MU is just fine and entertaining.
Its a knifefight in a phonebooth
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On February 10 2012 03:03 blae000 wrote:
Snute got this!! GOGOGO! Bitter biased towards slivko much? XD If anything, snute is the one out of the two who can take games of ret imo! >o<''
For some reason I suspect Bitter's opinion is less biased than yours =p
I think either could definitely take games off Ret, whether they can take games off him in close enough proximity to have more than a small chance of winning a bo3 I'm not sure.
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On February 10 2012 03:03 blae000 wrote:
Snute got this!! GOGOGO! Bitter biased towards slivko much? XD If anything, snute is the one out of the two who can take games of ret imo! >o<''
...and you're not biased towards your national hero either? -.-
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Slivko trying to win in the early game but with bad control and kind of nervous.
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On February 10 2012 03:04 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:00 Leetley wrote:On February 10 2012 02:59 Laids wrote:
Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke. How so? I think the MU is just fine and entertaining. Its a knifefight in a phonebooth
hehe, I like that one.
I personally have begun to love ZvZ ever since it evolved out of those 'mass drone into mass roach' phases.
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On February 10 2012 03:04 Loxley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:00 Leetley wrote:On February 10 2012 02:59 Laids wrote:
Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke. How so? I think the MU is just fine and entertaining. Its a knifefight in a phonebooth
you, sir, made me giggle
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oh man, huge blunder by snute
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I´d like to see some infestors!
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On February 10 2012 03:10 Bashion wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:04 Loxley wrote:On February 10 2012 03:00 Leetley wrote:On February 10 2012 02:59 Laids wrote:
Seriously I hope Blizzard does something with ZvZ in HotS, it's such a joke. How so? I think the MU is just fine and entertaining. Its a knifefight in a phonebooth you, sir, made me giggle
Not sure why, but that was funny as hell
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Haven't heard of a lot of these players, but I've been wanting to work on my ZvZ lately so it seems like a great time to watch and maybe learn something.
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pool vs hat first.. lets see
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KTAMD is a cross between TWO legendary BW teams.
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Super greedy 15 hatch 17 pool by Slivko
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Snute's play is pretty boring tbh...
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wow, Snute 10 drones ahead? :o
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shouldnt have lost that :o
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The drone count was too damn high.
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Out and over for snute. Dissappointed. Slivko and Ret should go through now.
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On February 10 2012 03:27 VirGin wrote:
Out and over for snute. Dissappointed. Slivko and Ret should go through now.
He may still have a change over Dakkon, but Ret might be too much for him.
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woow, how did snute lose, i left the room for a couple of minutes when he was well ahead, and i ve come back to see sLivko won
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On February 10 2012 03:29 Leetley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:27 VirGin wrote:
Out and over for snute. Dissappointed. Slivko and Ret should go through now. He may still have a change over Dakkon, but Ret might be too much for him.
He should for sure win over Dakkon, but so should Slivko and Ret. Ret should realistically 3-0 this group.
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Violet 1st Real 2nd no surprise
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Is this the same thing as yesterday? Cuz that lasted 15 min ^^
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Adobe dude is back. Break time.
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Guys, don`t believe in what Dakkon said to Bitter.
This guy is actually the biggest loser in the br community and everyone bashes him. He`s a joke and charges for coach , even though his score on ladder is less than... 50%.. in NA masters HAHAHA
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On February 10 2012 03:32 Amestir wrote:
Is this the same thing as yesterday? Cuz that lasted 15 min ^^
Grr, I really dislike these long intermissions in all the IEM events. Takes away the passion.
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Stream suddenly makes zero sense.
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On February 10 2012 03:35 Leetley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:32 Amestir wrote:
Is this the same thing as yesterday? Cuz that lasted 15 min ^^ Grr, I really dislike these long intermissions in all the IEM events. Takes away the passion. OH NOES THE PASSION.
Get over yourself, it's to be expected considering their choice venues.
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Back to Grooveshark during the break. I don't speak a word of Portugese, at least that's what I assume he's speaking being in Brazil.
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Am I the only one who finds it funny that the program is English while being explained in Portuguese?
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anyone else thinks that sounds like a mix of italian /spanish and russian.
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On February 10 2012 03:33 SASBC wrote:
Guys, don`t believe in what Dakkon said to Bitter.
This guy is actually the biggest loser in the br community and everyone bashes him. He`s a joke and charges for coach , even though his score on ladder is less than... 50%.. in NA masters HAHAHA
I remember having to deal with Dakkon back in the BW days for ICCUP, I hope he change(s)ed for the better.
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On February 10 2012 03:37 Crazyahmed wrote:
anyone else thinks that sounds like a mix of italian /spanish and russian.
Yeah now that you mentioned it, it does sound like it has some of that Russian accent to it. xP
Never noticed it before.
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On February 10 2012 03:37 Myles wrote:
Am I the only one who finds it funny that the program is English while being explained in Portuguese?
I think they just forget to put pt-br, since the presenter knows a lot about the program
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Still an idiot.
Dakkon is a loser like SASBR already said. The brazilian community treats him like a joke.
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This is very weird. Is he explaining how to do video editing in portuguese? :D
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On February 10 2012 03:40 Acrofales wrote:
This is very weird. Is he explaining how to do video editing in portuguese? :D
He's explaining some basic features in After Effects (compositing software).
I don't speak Portuguese, but I am guessing from my little experience in After Effects.
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He is showing the cpu power while editing the video.
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As far as i know ( I'm graphic designer )... Photoshop Repouse uses GPU OpenGL. So it mainly uses GPU not CPU... Also Adobe Premiere CS5 preview is generated mailny by GPU ( in CS5 version )... It's a little like that guy from INTEL driving movie on CES
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On February 10 2012 03:38 Kerotan wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:33 SASBC wrote:
Guys, don`t believe in what Dakkon said to Bitter.
This guy is actually the biggest loser in the br community and everyone bashes him. He`s a joke and charges for coach , even though his score on ladder is less than... 50%.. in NA masters HAHAHA
I remember having to deal with Dakkon back in the BW days for ICCUP, I hope he change(s)ed for the better.
I also played BW with him, and believe me, he did not change, he got even worse.
Also all he knows in SC2 is alling and cheese, which is perfect for zxz lol, but he`ll lose so easy, im pretty sure.
He has a twitch stream with about 50 viewers per day and the poor inocents viewers still think that he is GM (since he keeps saying that to everyone) even though he `s just a sad masters player with a current score of 127 / 136 LOL
(and he plays like, ALL day long.. so he did retire, sure lol)
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Well I could summarize it a lot quicker than 15 minutes, my i7 is plenty fast...back to games please  ! I kid, Intel sponsors it, the marketing has to be there.
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His moan after every sentence is getting disturbing. :D
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Sure Intel processors are fastest for CG but they are showing features that relay mainly on GPU power...
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In BW he was a zvz cheeser and climbed up the ladder abusing and cheesing. Just a joke.
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Very interesting
oh wait, thought this stream was about starcraft
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I wish Lamp and Reason were the br representatives , since both are Grandmaster and Reason played the WCG korea , beating players like Macsed, Fenix etc
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This would be interesting if I knew Portuguese.
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On February 10 2012 03:44 Delicious Insanity wrote:
His moan after every sentence is getting disturbing. :D
yea... ahn
thats pretty annoying as hell ahn
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On February 10 2012 03:44 frozenrb wrote:
Sure Intel processors are fastest for CG but they are showing features that relay mainly on GPU power...
The only thing this is really illustrating CPU/chipset wise is if/when resources are moved from VRAM on the card to system RAM and back again since the memory controller is on the CPU itself. Other than that yes this relies more heavily on the GPU processing the frame than the CPU itself. There will also be vertices generated on the CPU/in system memory and moved to the GPU as updates are done in some cases, but that's still not overly taxing on a multicore CPU .
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On February 10 2012 03:46 fabiano wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:44 Delicious Insanity wrote:
His moan after every sentence is getting disturbing. :D yea... ahn thats pretty annoying as hell ahn
Ahn, sure thing bro, ahn.
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On February 10 2012 03:47 Trentelshark wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:44 frozenrb wrote:
Sure Intel processors are fastest for CG but they are showing features that relay mainly on GPU power... The only thing this is really illustrating CPU/chipset wise is if/when resources are moved from VRAM on the card to system RAM and back again since the memory controller is on the CPU itself. Other than that yes this relies more heavily on the GPU processing the frame than the CPU itself. There will also be vertices generated on the CPU/in system memory and moved to the GPU as updates are done in some cases, but that's still not overly taxing on a multicore CPU .
Photoshop Repouse use mainly GPU...xD
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If only Reason or Lamp were participating, then us Brazillians would have a chance!
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On February 10 2012 03:49 frozenrb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:47 Trentelshark wrote:On February 10 2012 03:44 frozenrb wrote:
Sure Intel processors are fastest for CG but they are showing features that relay mainly on GPU power... The only thing this is really illustrating CPU/chipset wise is if/when resources are moved from VRAM on the card to system RAM and back again since the memory controller is on the CPU itself. Other than that yes this relies more heavily on the GPU processing the frame than the CPU itself. There will also be vertices generated on the CPU/in system memory and moved to the GPU as updates are done in some cases, but that's still not overly taxing on a multicore CPU . Photoshop Repouse use mainly GPU...xD
Yep, I was agreeing with you .
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On February 10 2012 03:49 Sbrubbles wrote:If only Reason or Lamp were participating, then us Brazillians would have a chance!
Why didn't they?!
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Besides the chance, with DakkoN i dont see us brazilians rooting for him. I rooted for Tunico and Potiguar today but it seems that we wanna see DakkoN fail due to his behaviour.
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On February 10 2012 03:51 Leetley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:49 Sbrubbles wrote:If only Reason or Lamp were participating, then us Brazillians would have a chance! Why didn't they?!
lamp lost to someone on the brazilian qualifiers, reason was on vacation
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On February 10 2012 03:52 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 03:51 Leetley wrote:On February 10 2012 03:49 Sbrubbles wrote:If only Reason or Lamp were participating, then us Brazillians would have a chance! Why didn't they?! lamp lost to someone on the brazilian qualifiers, reason was on vacation
What a shame. I so would've wanted to see some Brasilian talent play. Oh well.
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HAHAHAHHAH talking about that dakkon picture
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Violet and Real will win their group, Ret will 3-0 his easy since there isnt anyone good in it, it's a toss up between the others.
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LOL
they are talking about dakkon empathy
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Wait what? Ret is playing?! Awesome!
Go Liquid! 
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That is some Jaedong micro right there.
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um, I think that's gg wow that was 1 sided
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On February 10 2012 03:57 Catatonic wrote:
Violet and Real will win their group, Ret will 3-0 his easy since there isnt anyone good in it, it's a toss up between the others.
They already won the group.
Dakkon a cheeser? Looks like it.
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On February 10 2012 04:00 Talin wrote:
That is some Jaedong micro right there.
lol'd.
wow that was horrid by Dakkon
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That was the most one-sided ********* lol
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Well guys.. Dakkon coaches .. if u´re interested.. LOL
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Rofl, pose for your next profile pic Dakkon
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On February 10 2012 04:01 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:00 Talin wrote:
That is some Jaedong micro right there. lol'd. wow that was horrid by Dakkon
well he's a mid masters players with a not so hot record. So don't expect much from him
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Wow...Ret raped Dakkon so hard lmfao. Dakkon was supply blocked forever.
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On February 10 2012 04:01 YoungModerN wrote:
Well guys.. Dakkon coaches .. if u´re interested.. LOL
ROFL
That was so one sided xD
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RETJE!
That was some pretty sick defending by Ret... :o
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Funnily enough Ret is the one sweating.
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Golden Sentence - Every time you morph baneling you lost zergling...xD ORLY? :D Mr.Bitter:D
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Awful play from Dakkon, though can't take away Ret's perfect def, dat was some sick micro.
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AEhoIAHEoiHIOEA
OWNED BY RET
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LOL. pro advertising Ret
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On February 10 2012 04:03 Leetley wrote:
Funnily enough Ret is the one sweating.
well today it's like 25C in sao paulo. thats cold man
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LOL ret subtle troll is so win <3
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On February 10 2012 04:03 Leetley wrote:
Funnily enough Ret is the one sweating.
Ret is almost always sweating while playing :p He's a swe...hot guy!
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I won't be terribly surprised if all the remaining 5 matches end in under 20 minutes.
We could easily go with 4 hours less of content than scheduled.
Or maybe these Brazilian seats are just a bit silly.
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Lol. Didn't think plugging could get worse then the way tasteless does it.
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IEM: "Apparently @dakkonsc2 was at a party when he got a call that told him to come to Sao Paulo and play. Preparation much?"
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As I said,he´s a joke. This should be a lie.
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Look at DakkoN control LOL
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What terrible control from Dakkon.
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1 baneling for 4....not the best trade, I feel sorry for Dakkon =( probably nerves
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He actually could have won there, ret kinda messed up his blings.
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I feel bad for dakkon. I mean yes he's done bad things but man it must feel horrible losing that way in front of a crowd and with 20k online viewers.
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Dakkon wtf >.<
This is how Flash's opponents feel like
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This is pretty painful to watch.
Dakkon appears incredibly outclassed.
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I love how the Ret's face looks in this game. He is like "it's so EZ, i'm bored" :D
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"Red is not dead." -MrBitter
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Koreans are 14 maps to 1 vs foreigners. It's not the top of the top on both sides but still. The gap is getting bigger&bigger.
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Poor Dakkon, kinda feel bad for the kid.
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On February 10 2012 04:10 Badfatpanda wrote:
1 baneling for 4....not the best trade, I feel sorry for Dakkon =( probably nerves
Not nerves, he's just bad.
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On February 10 2012 04:12 nojok wrote:
Koreans are 14 maps to 1 vs foreigners. It's not the top of the top on both sides but still. The gap is getting bigger&bigger.
2. d.Killer took a map off supernova. You also have to remember that aside from Ret and maybe Feast, Fenix and deMuslim there are no high level foreigners there.
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just remember that Dakkon was called last sec to the tournament, so...
not that it would change much, but still
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On February 10 2012 04:14 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:12 nojok wrote:
Koreans are 14 maps to 1 vs foreigners. It's not the top of the top on both sides but still. The gap is getting bigger&bigger. 2. d.Killer took a map off supernova. You also have to remember that aside from Ret and maybe Feast, Fenix and deMuslim there are no high level foreigners there.
Fenix didn't come, that's why Dakkon is here in the first place.
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On February 10 2012 04:12 nojok wrote:
Koreans are 14 maps to 1 vs foreigners. It's not the top of the top on both sides but still. The gap is getting bigger&bigger.
Two of who lives in NA and Europe. You may be right, but not based on this tournament.. ^^
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I just gained so much respect for Rob Simpson for that Dragonball Z reference.
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On February 10 2012 04:12 nojok wrote:
Koreans are 14 maps to 1 vs foreigners. It's not the top of the top on both sides but still. The gap is getting bigger&bigger.
The gap between Code S players and foreigner Master League players is big indeed. What's your point?
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Well they were some of the most one-sides tournament matches I've ever seen...
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We're not seriously counting Bigs as Korean now just to inflate stats are we? Dudes lived here since he was like 5...
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On February 10 2012 04:13 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Poor Dakkon, kinda feel bad for the kid.
Nah, I bet he doesen't take himself and his play very seriously.
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On February 10 2012 04:18 FreudianTrip wrote:
We're not seriously counting Bigs as Korean now just to inflate stats are we? Dudes lived here since he was like 5...
Just Supernova and Violet.
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On February 10 2012 04:18 FreudianTrip wrote:
We're not seriously counting Bigs as Korean now just to inflate stats are we? Dudes lived here since he was like 5...
He should consider VileIllusion korean too in that case. But those stats mean nothing when he adds results like Violet vs master league player from Brazil (no disrespect).
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The commercial / game ratio is getting out of hand, lol.
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On February 10 2012 04:18 Leetley wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:13 Delicious Insanity wrote:
Poor Dakkon, kinda feel bad for the kid. Nah, I bet he doesen't take himself and his play very seriously.
Most likely. I mean, he was gifted 600$ out of nowhere. It would be great for him to perform well; but given he has not achieved much so far and had basically no time to prepare, nobody should have expected anything from him.
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Please Snute, win against Ret and advance
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On February 10 2012 04:15 Hulavuta wrote:
I just gained so much respect for Rob Simpson for that Dragonball Z reference.
I haven't heard much of this guy before, but I'm really starting to warm up to him. Also lol at the DBZ reference.
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They should just have played a 4 player FFA instead of all these ZvZs.
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Meh, all ZvZ is kind of lame, and how come there are so many rdm unknown players in this event? Making winning IEM not much of an accomplishment, even the best korean didnt even make it out of his code s group & is mainly respected cuz of the artosis hype.
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I've been home from work for 30 minutes and I've yet to see a game. But I have heard the same song and seen the same IEM Sao Paulo (Plus 1 Kiev) about 10 times! Maybe they could find something different to play 10 times in a row next break.
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Why is snute playing against napoleon dynamite?
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On February 10 2012 04:25 wo1fwood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:15 Hulavuta wrote:
I just gained so much respect for Rob Simpson for that Dragonball Z reference. I haven't heard much of this guy before, but I'm really starting to warm up to him. Also lol at the DBZ reference.
He's Blizzards (fairly recently appointed) esports manager. I think we can be happy things are in pretty sound hands =)
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On February 10 2012 04:26 NeilSC wrote:
Meh, all ZvZ is kind of lame, and how come there are so many rdm unknown players in this event? Making winning IEM not much of an accomplishment, even the best korean didnt even make it out of his code s group & is mainly respected cuz of the artosis hype.
Because the known players are to bad to qualify! IEM is an awesome chance for unknown players which deserve to be known because they manage to beat the known players (which will get invited to all tourneys) in the qualifiers.
TL;DR: Qualifyer > Invites
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Long breaks but to be fair no one expected the last series to go by so fast. (Well some did I guess.) Can't see a way that Ret drops from this group.
Also for those dissing ZvZ watch nestea/drg series last night.
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On February 10 2012 04:27 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:25 wo1fwood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:15 Hulavuta wrote:
I just gained so much respect for Rob Simpson for that Dragonball Z reference. I haven't heard much of this guy before, but I'm really starting to warm up to him. Also lol at the DBZ reference. He's Blizzards (fairly recently appointed) esports manager. I think we can be happy things are in pretty sound hands =) Yer, used to work in general in their esports "division" so to say. Used to commentate blizzard events in WoW (though he is a lot more awesome in SC2 than WoW tbfh) and hosts some of their events too.
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why is dakkon sitting without headphones? he even knows the local language....
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Haha, oh the rambling of a tired caster..
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On February 10 2012 04:30 HydraFucaZ wrote:
why is dakkon sitting without headphones? he even knows the local language....
yeah, wtf? oO
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On the commercials: we ran well ahead of schedule (ZvZ), which is why a presentation came in between games which were preponed. The presentation was supposed to split the groups in the schedule.
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On February 10 2012 04:30 HydraFucaZ wrote:
why is dakkon sitting without headphones? he even knows the local language....
Let's be honest, he needs any help he can get.
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how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_-
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On February 10 2012 04:33 bagina wrote:
how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_-
NA server is a bit more forgiving than other ones.
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On February 10 2012 04:33 bagina wrote:
how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_-
because he is playing a Pro and his mistakes hurts a lot more
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he could have won the game right there =( Imagine if his worst matchup is zvz with no time to prepare, >.>
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On February 10 2012 04:33 bagina wrote:
how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_-
you need to realize the pressure he's under
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Someone plase just kick Dakkon.
He shames us all. :S
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On February 10 2012 04:33 bagina wrote:
how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_-
I heard he was retired when he was invited to IEM...
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Dakkon, already a baller in my mind for naming himself after Planescape Torment.
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Dakkon sucks, that a fact. All the br`s know he`s a big of a joke and got lucky to play this instead of Lamp.
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Ridiculously bad. Forfeit the last match, buddy.
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couldnt even win with hearing the local commentators cast i guess. put your headphones on now please
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On February 10 2012 04:34 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:33 bagina wrote:
how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_- NA server is a bit more forgiving than other ones.
Oh cool so a European mid masters can be called days before and event and win against players like Ret and Snute in his first LAN with 20k players watching...stop.
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i wouldnt say hes under much pressure at all. he's mid-masters playing against professionals. nobody expects him to win!
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On February 10 2012 04:37 bagina wrote:
i wouldnt say hes under much pressure at all. he's mid-masters playing against professionals. nobody expects him to win!
ìt doesnt work that way lol
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On February 10 2012 04:36 Badfatpanda wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:34 CosmicSpiral wrote:On February 10 2012 04:33 bagina wrote:
how is DakkoN even mid-masters playing like this? -_- NA server is a bit more forgiving than other ones. Oh cool so a European mid masters can be called days before and event and win against players like Ret and Snute in his first LAN with 20k players watching...stop.
His play would not even get him into EU masters. Why he was invited to this tournament confounds me.
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so finally they paused to get him to put his headset back on, hahaha
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does this guy not know that you can make overlords before 26 supply
he's gotten blocked at 26 in three of the games -__-
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On February 10 2012 04:42 corpuscle wrote:
does this guy not know that you can make overlords before 26 supply
he's gotten blocked at 26 in three of the games -__-
He really likes that number.
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LOok at that topic guys, lets see some laugh about Dakkon :D
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Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited
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bad supply blocks too. like 26/26 and no overlord in production........ lots of money and no extractor tricks..........
yeah, wow.
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On February 10 2012 04:40 HydraFucaZ wrote:
so finally they paused to get him to put his headset back on, hahaha
Was it because his headphones or his status not on busy? What he said in chat kinda implies not being busy. Can't imagine forgetting to put on headphones to be honest.
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lol, oke inviting this guy was indeed a big mistake, i am sure he's a nice guy and all but he should not be on this stage, nor does he deserve it.
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On February 10 2012 04:35 SASBC wrote:
Dakkon sucks, that a fact. All the br`s know he`s a big of a joke and got lucky to play this instead of Lamp.
He does suck, I've beat him many times and im just at master league
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On February 10 2012 04:43 Seiniyta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:40 HydraFucaZ wrote:
so finally they paused to get him to put his headset back on, hahaha Was it because his headphones or his status not on busy? What he said in chat kinda implies not being busy. Can't imagine forgetting to put on headphones to be honest.
he played the entire first game with no headphones. probably the second too until admins paused.
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On February 10 2012 04:35 SASBC wrote:
Dakkon sucks, that a fact. All the br`s know he`s a big of a joke and got lucky to play this instead of Lamp.
Ok I don't like dakkon that much but stop posting stupid shit please. Lamp was not invited because he did not participate in the SA qualifier.
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On February 10 2012 04:43 SASBC wrote:
LOok at that topic guys, lets see some laugh about Dakkon :D
Do you have a personal feud with him or something?
Ok, he's not that good of a player.... No reason to laugh...
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lol now he's blocked at 28/28
progress!
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How dakkon can't go past 23 supply?
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These games look so sad after watching GSL last night...
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On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited
Even though this was probbaly a rhetorical question: He participated in the South American qualifier and was eliminated on the ro8, making him the highest finisher who was the available in time to replace Fenix in time.
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On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited
We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know!
Let me just sum up a story:
Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?)
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
User was warned for this post
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Blizzard not hiring any new writers is why all their storylines are so similar ;p.
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would have been cool if a brazilian would make a suprise.
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I understand why people didn't want Dakkon in this tourney lol
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Looked like Snute just a-moved across the map for most of that game and still won.
I feel bad for this guy though. I guess this is kinda what'd it look like if I was to vs Ret etc at an IEM
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I really, really enjoy the casting from rob simpson !
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Feels like even if Snute played with 50% handicap he still would have won.
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ret vs slivko should be a better game atleast!
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On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community.
Stop hating on this guy, FFS.
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On February 10 2012 04:49 NeWeNiyaLord wrote:I really, really enjoy the casting from rob simpson !
Yes, he's a pretty cool guy indeed!
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On February 10 2012 04:48 Finrod1 wrote:
would have been cool if a brazilian would make a suprise.
Well, Dakkon surprised us all with his play. Even brazilians.
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Let's go ret!! Crush this guy!
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On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Man, I'm from Brazil and I know what most people think about Dakkon here, I am actually pretty indifferent about him. But look at your posts since you joined TL, almost all of them you are bashing the guy, give him a break.
Edit: by the way, I think Tunico and Potiguar were great choices. The truth is that SC players in Brazil are nowhere near the level of other countries. I personally think they didn't played that bad and a big part of the brazilian community likes them.
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On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad. Show nested quote +
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS.
Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding.
And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry
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On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry
[17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home
[17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously..
[17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit
[17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage
[17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please..
[17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool
[17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold?
[17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot
[17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD
[17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready
[17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon
[17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches?
[17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad
[17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this...
[17:46] <jmmkij> you should
[17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol
[17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO
[17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad
[17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would
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I can understand why you don't want to have Dakkon in the tournament. I can NOT understand though why you guys hate him. If you want to hate somebody, then please hate ESL for inviting him. Would you guys decline an IEM invite in your country? Guess not. So please, shut the f*** up and give him the respect he deserves to get hisself on the stage. Its not easy, I can tell you that one.
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On February 10 2012 04:53 Tarotis wrote:
I can understand why you don't want to have Dakkon in the tournament. I can NOT understand though why you guys hate him. If you want to hate somebody, then please hate ESL for inviting him. Would you guys decline an IEM invite in your country? Guess not. So please, shut the f*** up and give him the respect he deserves to get hisself on the stage. Its not easy, I can tell you that one.
Tell that to the 200 users from this forum too http://forum.hangarnet.com.br/index.php?showtopic=123894&st=420
And im done, at least I feel better
Cu
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On February 10 2012 04:53 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry [17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home [17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously.. [17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit [17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage [17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please.. [17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool [17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold? [17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready [17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon [17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches? [17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad [17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this... [17:46] <jmmkij> you should [17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol [17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO [17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad [17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would
okay SASBC,we get it.
you dont like DakkoN.
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@SASBC looks like a typical livestream chat to be honest
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Snute didn't look like he could be bothered to control his army, because he knew he was up by like 40 supply 2 minutes into the game...
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haha for a second there i wondered why the fuck the guy was translating english for ret
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On February 10 2012 04:55 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:53 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry [17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home [17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously.. [17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit [17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage [17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please.. [17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool [17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold? [17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready [17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon [17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches? [17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad [17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this... [17:46] <jmmkij> you should [17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol [17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO [17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad [17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would okay SASBC,we get it. you dont like DakkoN.
He's not gonna stop posting, might as well just leave him be 'til the mods see fit to ban him.
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On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry
I don't want to know the history, because I don't care about the guy. Bashing someone on the internet where he/she can't defend themself is pretty fucking lame though.
And about the representing. Anyone who thinks 3 players represent a country is a dumb ass. So who cares what a dumb ass thinks? And I am pretty sure Brazil has some shit to be ashamed about and it's not a SC 2 player.
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Okay that was awkward -.-
Too many different languages at once right now lol
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lol @ "are these dakkon palcement matches"
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Well, most of us criticized esl on our forums for choosing dakkon.
Most people would accept an invite to play there, even with you are not a great player, it's understandable.
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Stop hinting at whatever drama bullshit that happened in Dakkon's past and fucking tell us. We shouldn't be expected to know what a random masters' player has done.
Also, nobody thinks that Dakkon represents the Brazilian scene. We're not that stupid.
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On February 10 2012 04:55 dragonborn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:53 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry [17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home [17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously.. [17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit [17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage [17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please.. [17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool [17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold? [17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready [17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon [17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches? [17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad [17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this... [17:46] <jmmkij> you should [17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol [17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO [17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad [17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would okay SASBC,we get it. you dont like DakkoN.
Nor he nor every other Brazilian SC2 player.
DakkoN shamed us all, I just wish he would skid and burn!
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When will SC2 interviews at live events become less awkward
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On February 10 2012 04:57 corpuscle wrote:
Stop hinting at whatever drama bullshit that happened in Dakkon's past and fucking tell us. We shouldn't be expected to know what a random masters' player has done.
Also, nobody thinks that Dakkon represents the Brazilian scene. We're not that stupid.
I think he maphacked in BW or something like that. Not sure.
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On February 10 2012 04:58 Psyclon wrote:When will SC2 interviews at live events become less awkward
Never, this is the way they are supposed to be
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On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all.
Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event.
The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry...
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On February 10 2012 04:57 Unrealbr wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:55 dragonborn wrote:On February 10 2012 04:53 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry [17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home [17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously.. [17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit [17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage [17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please.. [17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool [17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold? [17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready [17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon [17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches? [17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad [17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this... [17:46] <jmmkij> you should [17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol [17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO [17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad [17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would okay SASBC,we get it. you dont like DakkoN. Nor he nor every other Brazilian SC2 player. DakkoN shamed us all, I just wish he would skid and burn!
Stop with this "omg he shamed us all dakkon!11" bullshit. Not every american is represented by combat ex(IDK if he's american but you get the point).
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On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. User was warned for this post
Actually IMO Tunico wasn't bad at all, although demuslim played terrible in their series.
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"and also to your reputation at this point"
"...."
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That was not cool Bitter
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On February 10 2012 05:00 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:57 Unrealbr wrote:On February 10 2012 04:55 dragonborn wrote:On February 10 2012 04:53 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry [17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home [17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously.. [17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit [17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage [17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please.. [17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool [17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold? [17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready [17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon [17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches? [17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad [17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this... [17:46] <jmmkij> you should [17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol [17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO [17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad [17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would okay SASBC,we get it. you dont like DakkoN. Nor he nor every other Brazilian SC2 player. DakkoN shamed us all, I just wish he would skid and burn! Stop with this "omg he shamed us all dakkon!11" bullshit. Not every american is represented by combat ex(IDK if he's american but you get the point).
Yup, not only by combat ex, bei deezer aswell.
No, dont worry, I am just joking :D
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On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry...
You should really get ur facts straight.
Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager, team or facebook.
And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin
I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear.
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On February 10 2012 05:01 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry... You should really get ur facts straight. Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager or team. And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear.
You do realize that you are talking with one of ESL head admins? He knows his fact, just sayin
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On February 10 2012 05:01 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry... You should really get ur facts straight. Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager, team or facebook. And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear.
I don't think ESL has any benefit bringing in a worse player, I think ESL knows better then that and I do trust Shawngood's words because of that fact.
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SASBC, your bullshit puts more shame on Brazil than Dakkon's play.
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On February 10 2012 05:00 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:57 Unrealbr wrote:On February 10 2012 04:55 dragonborn wrote:On February 10 2012 04:53 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:52 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:50 Delicious Insanity wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:
And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip.
You're mad? You didn't pay for this tournament. You have no reason to be mad.
So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation.
Anyone with half a brain KNOWS that 3 Brazilian players don't represent an entire country / community. Stop hating on this guy, FFS. Well I have all the right to do that, since you dont know anything about Dakkon and just met him in a tournament. I suggest you to know the whole history instad of judding. And dont represent? Tell that to the 20k viewers, sure, You`re silly, im sorry [17:36] <genesisxyz> Dakkon, go home [17:36] <stopthezvz> why have they even let this dumbass into this tournament seriously.. [17:36] <yeaR> Ths Dakkon guy is shit [17:37] <jmmkij> dakkon is garbage [17:38] <stopthezvz> please let the adobe photoshop back on please.. [17:38] <stopthezvz> this dakkon retard should just 6pool [17:42] <jENSERN> so this dakkon guy, he is silver or gold? [17:42] <jmmkij> dakkon get the fuck out faggot [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon SO BAD [17:44] <hentai_desu> dakkon should just GG allready [17:45] <Wintex_> i feel bad for dakkon [17:45] <mw_z> are these dakkon placement matches? [17:46] <khlkjhlkj> dakkon is terribad [17:46] <Galfi> i'm brazilian and i'm feelling a bit ashamed by this... [17:46] <jmmkij> you should [17:47] <MelodyBW> dakkon what a noob lol [17:47] <jmmkij> LMAO [17:47] <khlkjhlkj> why is dakkon so bad [17:47] <Galfi> dakkon is playing like my mother would okay SASBC,we get it. you dont like DakkoN. Nor he nor every other Brazilian SC2 player. DakkoN shamed us all, I just wish he would skid and burn! Stop with this "omg he shamed us all dakkon!11" bullshit. Not every american is represented by combat ex(IDK if he's american but you get the point).
Believe he's Canadian, and to be honest, he's quite nice to me on ladder whenever we play, I know what he did to the community but he's definitely not as much of a douche as Deezer lol.
And keep in mind that this entire thing wouldn't have come up if Fenix didn't bail on yet another event lol
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On February 10 2012 05:02 Tarotis wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:01 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry... You should really get ur facts straight. Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager or team. And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear. You do realize that you are talking with one of ESL head admins? He knows his fact, just sayin
although his posts have been massively trollish and negative, I wouldn't trust ESL admins to not cover for their mistakes, even carmac avoids taking responsibility for small fuckups or just makes some statement rather than rectifying things.
not saying thats bad, every organization does the same. but if ESL forgot to contact someone who was tied with dakkon in seed or realize that fenix wasn't coming (3 weeks in advance or 2 days? big difference lol) they wouldn't admit it and its easy for us to just believe them since they are ESL.
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Yeah, Dakkon sucks, yadda yadda. WE GET IT. Jesus.
Anyway, poor showing from the local players, but that was expected. Poti was actually impressive at times especially vs. biGs, but he has a long way ahead of him if he wants to make a splash in the international scene. He can do it if he commits to it.
Tunico and Dakkon got rolled, shit happens, move on.
Now instead of hating on Dakkon or whatever, what about spreading the love for esports here in Brazil? This event shows that, although disorganized, our community is very passionate about SC2. Why don't we have more tourneys? Why are our players so obscure to the rest of the world? In fact, why do our players interact so little with their fans? We have a lot of work to do if we want to be a relevant nation in SC2.
edit: I spel gud
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On February 10 2012 05:01 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry... You should really get ur facts straight. Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager, team or facebook. And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear.
Please send me a PM here on TeamLiquid with the exact details and maybe quotes from the players you named. I want to look into this.
We have a partner here in South America/Brazil running qualifiers and tournaments for us so obviously we trust him and his work.
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On February 10 2012 05:05 Paraiba wrote:
Yeah, Dakkon sucks, yadda yadda. WE GET IT. Jesus.
Anyway, poor showing from the local players, but that was expected. Poti was actually impressive at times especially vs. biGs, but he has a long way ahead of him if he wants to make a splash in the international scene. He can do it he commits to it.
Tunico and Dakkon got rolled, shit happens, move on.
Now instead of hating on Dakkon or whatever, what about spreading the love for esports here in Brazil? This event shows that, although disorganized, our community is very passionate about SC2. Why don't we have more tourneys? Why are our players so obscure to the rest of the world? In fact, why do our players interact so little with their fans? We have a lot of work to do if we want to be a relevant nation in SC2.
Yeah right now all the Br stereotypes are being fulfilled. =/
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Man... joining a thread and seeing some pretty serious hate from people who wouldn't do any better than him... unless every single person here is grand masters anyways of course. Online people need to learn that respect isn't something only given to teachers etc.
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Like I said a couple posts ago, if you get an invite to play a big tourney at your homecountry, would you say no? I wouldn't.
It's not Dakkon fault, he did what he thought was better for him.
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Whaddyaknow, Ret might not go 6-0 in his group after all...
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On February 10 2012 05:11 HaXXspetten wrote:
Whaddyaknow, Ret might not go 6-0 in his group after all... One should NEVER expect Ret to do anything, win or lose. It's a real coinflip whether he does well or looks really shit.
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On February 10 2012 05:08 Shawngood wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:01 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry... You should really get ur facts straight. Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager, team or facebook. And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear. Please send me a PM here on TeamLiquid with the exact details and maybe quotes from the players you named. I want to look into this. We have a partner here in South America/Brazil running qualifiers and tournaments for us so obviously we trust him and his work.
I would like to do that. Just give a few minutes and I`ll pm you (I hope the admins don`t ban me before..). Now it`s only a matter to get the right post, won`t take too long.
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Fail, Bitter and Rob not realizing Slivkos +2 landed just a moment after rets attack.
Edit: Ok, now they realized.
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So unlucky this group is zergs only Ret has amazing zvp and zvt and Slivko is really really good in these matchups aswell. Would have rather seen them playing in non mirror matches.
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Finally a player like Slivko whos been a solid high GM zerg on EU ladder for a while can show his skills to the world. There are way too many players who are like 0,5-1 level behind TOP foreigners who are not known.
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DUDES get burrow...... they could have healed up 2-3 times now
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Damn, slivko, impressive.
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22 hydras against roach infestor, idk about this but if ret makes it work against infestors he'll be more of a beast than he already is in my book lol
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Barely breaching through, Ret's looking kinda dead now
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Why didn't Ret get infestor
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Dam, the DPS from those infested terrans was soo good
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Slivko showing much better decision making and macro in that game.
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I'd take a 5 infestor lead over a 5 roach lead any day. Strange decision to stay infestorless imo.
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Man sLivko is looking so sharp right now, boss play.
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On February 10 2012 05:20 Devise wrote:
Why didn't Ret get infestor
Time, resources, safety after falling behind early and the fact he could never catch up with Slivko's fungal count. He hoped to win by dodging Fungals and keeping Hydras out of range... quite tricky though.
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some background of slivko?
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If Ret had went infestor he would have won. Slivko was slipping on his macro in that game.
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On February 10 2012 05:05 Paraiba wrote:
Now instead of hating on Dakkon or whatever, what about spreading the love for esports here in Brazil? This event shows that, although disorganized, our community is very passionate about SC2. Why don't we have more tourneys? Why are our players so obscure to the rest of the world? In fact, why do our players interact so little with their fans? We have a lot of work to do if we want to be a relevant nation in SC2.
edit: I spel gud
I personally would like to see more Brazilian events and a bigger/better scene overall (and in LA as a whole). The crowd's been awesome, Poti (and to a lesser extent, Tunico) showed a lot of potential, and there's a huge population just in general that seems either small or disconnected from the greater ESPORTS community. I mean, yeah, the Brazilian players only managed to win one game, but there's plenty of high-profile NA players that would've done worse than Poti or even Tunico.
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iirc Slivko won against Stephano to qualify for this tournament so seeing him beat Ret is not that huge of an upset
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On February 10 2012 05:21 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:05 Paraiba wrote:
Now instead of hating on Dakkon or whatever, what about spreading the love for esports here in Brazil? This event shows that, although disorganized, our community is very passionate about SC2. Why don't we have more tourneys? Why are our players so obscure to the rest of the world? In fact, why do our players interact so little with their fans? We have a lot of work to do if we want to be a relevant nation in SC2.
edit: I spel gud I personally would like to see more Brazilian events and a bigger/better scene overall (and in LA as a whole). The crowd's been awesome, Poti (and to a lesser extent, Tunico) showed a lot of potential, and there's a huge population just in general that seems either small or disconnected from the greater ESPORTS community. I mean, yeah, the Brazilian players only managed to win one game, but there's plenty of high-profile NA players that would've done worse than Poti or even Tunico.
Most of our gaming community is focused on either CS or dota, and to be honest I can't say that I would like the dota community to come over and play SC2
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On February 10 2012 05:21 Topin wrote:
some background of slivko?
Up-and-coming russian player, he's been winning a lot of smaller EU cups lately. Yet another reason to keep an eye on the EU online cup scene. He is on team Rox.Kis who have a lot of lesser known but talented players.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SLivko
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i don't get it, why is he retreating?!
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Ahhh Slivko saw the winning line there and thought Ret would surely hatch first on shakuras...
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On February 10 2012 05:25 Bagi wrote:Up-and-coming russian player, he's been winning a lot of smaller EU cups lately. Yet another reason to keep an eye on the EU online cup scene. He is on team Rox.Kis who have a lot of lesser known but talented players. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SLivko
And also he seem to have recently shaved his head. Need to get the commando look!
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why did slivko cancel the spines?
he knew he will never come back with like 8 drones mining vs the 14 of ret, and he saw speed at rets pool
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blinding cloud will have an impact on ZvZ in HotS I would assume
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On February 10 2012 05:32 Leviance wrote:
blinding cloud will have an impact on ZvZ in HotS I would assume
Infestor/Viper sounds like fun
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Slivko gets his evo earlier and forgets the upgrade... :[
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On February 10 2012 05:25 Bagi wrote:Up-and-coming russian player, he's been winning a lot of smaller EU cups lately. Yet another reason to keep an eye on the EU online cup scene. He is on team Rox.Kis who have a lot of lesser known but talented players. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/SLivko
thx <3
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Ret just made 12 Overlords at once...
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Can somebody tell me why ret just made 11 overlords lul
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I understand Ret wanted some supply space, but 11 ovies at once?
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24-7 roaches, looks like an insurmountable lead if he pushes into slivko's nat
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Ah what a frustrating way that must have been for Slivko to lose this series.
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On February 10 2012 05:38 Noktix wrote:
Can somebody tell me why ret just made 11 overlords lul
It's the opposite of a Timing Attack I guess ^^
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Ret not playing good, what happened to him?
NM he won.
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Someone lost to Ret because THEY overdroned ^^
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On February 10 2012 05:40 Demonaz wrote:
Someone lost to Ret because THEY overdroned ^^
Mindgames from Ret for sure
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And thats why Russia just cant seem to acomplish anything in sc2, because in most important moments our players deside to make a bronze league mistake and get supply blocked for 3 min before the big fight. such a disappointment as always to root for our players
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...soo if Slivko 2-0's Dakkon, which we can assume he will, and Snute wins 2-1 over Ret, then we'll have a three-way top at the top.
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GJ Ret, now you're getting to play some vT, and vP I hope :x
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On February 10 2012 05:38 Noktix wrote:
Can somebody tell me why ret just made 11 overlords lul
He likes the 30+ free supply, it makes him easy to react and mass produce when needed, like he did this last game.
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i dont get this... how Ret won after spent 1.2 k and 12 larvaes in overlords? how did he got a bigger army????
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lol "The Brazilian" sounds like a hitman or something
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Mr bitter never ever ever remembers this kinda of stuff, why does he even try?? I'm not hating, but figure it out already lol
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On February 10 2012 05:41 Topin wrote:
i dont get this... how Ret won after spent 1.2 k and 12 larvaes in overlords? how did he got a bigger army????
he had 30 less drones
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On February 10 2012 05:40 Demonaz wrote:
Someone lost to Ret because THEY overdroned ^^
Maybe he would've held that without the massive supply block tho
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On February 10 2012 05:40 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:38 Noktix wrote:
Can somebody tell me why ret just made 11 overlords lul He likes the 30+ free supply, it makes him easy to react and mass produce when needed, like he did this last game.
Yeah, but it makes little sense if he was going to do an aggressive push soon afterward.
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Map score is first tiebreaker?
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On February 10 2012 05:38 Flanq wrote:
I understand Ret wanted some supply space, but 11 ovies at once?
Could possible be a missclick, dunno his hotkeys but I know I've surprised myself seeing 8 overlords turn up to battle collossi, that were supposed to be corruptors darnit.
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On February 10 2012 05:41 Topin wrote:
i dont get this... how Ret won after spent 1.2 k and 12 larvaes in overlords? how did he got a bigger army????
He already had a bigger army and he kept producing army. Slivko got supply blocked and wasn't able to produce when he realised how far ahead on workers he was after scouting the saturation at Ret's third. Not sure if he'd have held or not without it, but it would have been a hell of a lot closer for sure.
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On February 10 2012 05:38 Noktix wrote:
Can somebody tell me why ret just made 11 overlords lul
Its just a really weird mistake in his play, he does this every other game. He sometimes makes 10 overlorrds while at 200 supply for no apparent reason. He said several times on his stream he doesn't know how to stop doing it.
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Uhm, I'm not so sure Ret advances 100% with this system ._.
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On February 10 2012 05:40 Lysanias wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:38 Noktix wrote:
Can somebody tell me why ret just made 11 overlords lul He likes the 30+ free supply, it makes him easy to react and mass produce when needed, like he did this last game.
He was 100/174. Not to mention he wasn't very high econ, so mass production or reaction is pretty impossible...
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On February 10 2012 05:42 TheBB wrote:
Map score is first tiebreaker?
Yes. If Snute wins against Ret he advances I think, right?
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Um Snute must win 2-0 to advance.
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On February 10 2012 05:43 Talin wrote:
Uhm, I'm not so sure Ret advances 100% with this system ._.
He doesnt
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Who is the guy that cast with Bitter?
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Yeah, if he loses 2-0 to snute, he's out
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i honestly think its quite ridicolous that they arent sure about the current score yet put out false statements
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Bitter doing Math is almost as entertaining as his Geography.
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Socke/Squirtle/Sjow all over again plz, just with zvz
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On February 10 2012 05:43 Arc1 wrote:
Um Snute must win 2-0 to advance.
Snute wins 2-0 he advances. 2-1 it's a 3-way tie. (assuming slivko 2-0 dakkon, which we can be pretty safe to assume.)
If Ret wins he and slivko advances.
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On February 10 2012 05:43 Arc1 wrote:
Um Snute must win 2-0 to advance.
No. If he wins 2:1 both he and Ret are 5:3, so it will a tie because slivko will 2:0 dakkon then also being 5:3
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On February 10 2012 05:43 Bulkers wrote:
Who is the guy that cast with Bitter?
Robert Simpson
Blizzard Entertainment eSports manager.
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On February 10 2012 05:44 VirGin wrote:Snute wins 2-0 he advances. 2-1 it's a 3-way tie. (assuming slivko 2-0 dakkon, which we can be pretty safe to assume.)
Yes you're right. I don't get it why MrBitter always has problem with this.
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On February 10 2012 05:44 FreudianTrip wrote:
Bitter doing Math is almost as entertaining as his Geography.
"If you're around Brazil area..."
But yeah, honestly no wonder they get confused with this format. IEM you come up with the weirdest stuff.
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On February 10 2012 05:44 robih wrote:
i honestly think its quite ridicolous that they arent sure about the current score yet put out false statements
What is even more ridiculous is that Bitter does that every single time.
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On February 10 2012 05:42 RaiderRob wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:38 Flanq wrote:
I understand Ret wanted some supply space, but 11 ovies at once? Could possible be a missclick, dunno his hotkeys but I know I've surprised myself seeing 8 overlords turn up to battle collossi, that were supposed to be corruptors darnit.
i feel ya man: + Show Spoiler +
gogo ret
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Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL
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On February 10 2012 05:45 Arc1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:44 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 05:43 Arc1 wrote:
Um Snute must win 2-0 to advance. Snute wins 2-0 he advances. 2-1 it's a 3-way tie. (assuming slivko 2-0 dakkon, which we can be pretty safe to assume.) Yes you're right. I don't get it why MrBitter always has problem with this.
Eh, it's not hard to understand that mental arithmetic is hard in certain situations. I was on a national talk show in prime time (no foolin') and I managed to confuse myself over whether 10^18 was a billion billions or not.
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I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to manually find opponents?
#justsayin
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On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
lol wut? If Snute beats Ret, Ret beat Slivko, Slivko beat Snute, how would you like that to be settled? The system isn't silly. People are.
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IEM ZvZvZvZvZvZvZ
I'll proably will watch SuperNova vs ZergX in the Grand Finals, but the 200 ZvZ before that .... NO!
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On February 10 2012 05:49 FreudianTrip wrote:
I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to find opponents?
#justsayin
Bloodline Champions, or 3v3 in LoL.
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On February 10 2012 05:51 Arc1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:49 FreudianTrip wrote:
I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to find opponents?
#justsayin Bloodline Champions, or 3v3 in LoL.
Both have Match-making.
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On February 10 2012 05:48 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:45 Arc1 wrote:On February 10 2012 05:44 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 05:43 Arc1 wrote:
Um Snute must win 2-0 to advance. Snute wins 2-0 he advances. 2-1 it's a 3-way tie. (assuming slivko 2-0 dakkon, which we can be pretty safe to assume.) Yes you're right. I don't get it why MrBitter always has problem with this. Eh, it's not hard to understand that mental arithmetic is hard in certain situations. I was on a national talk show in prime time (no foolin') and I managed to confuse myself over whether 10^18 was a billion billions or not.
The confusion is that it is NOT based purely of map score.
It's a 5 step process, which no one can ever remember.
Who beat who, match score, set score, it matters who has more wins, win/lose ratio doesn't count, bark bark bark
On February 10 2012 05:49 Vadrigar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly. lol wut? If Snute beats Ret, Ret beat Slivko, Slivko beat Snute, how would you like that to be settled? The system isn't silly. People are.
Again, who beat who alone doesn't seem to matter. That's how hero got knocked out at Kiev.
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On February 10 2012 05:51 Arc1 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:49 FreudianTrip wrote:
I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to find opponents?
#justsayin Bloodline Champions, or 3v3 in LoL.
WoW arena
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On February 10 2012 05:49 FreudianTrip wrote:
I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to manually find opponents?
#justsayin
And yet the beginning of the ad is filled filled with so much promise...
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On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL
not silly at all
if snute beats Ret its
Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute
So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then?
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On February 10 2012 05:52 Trentelshark wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:49 FreudianTrip wrote:
I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to manually find opponents?
#justsayin And yet the beginning of the ad is filled filled with so much promise...
Im always fantasising about that dudes girlfriend for sure.
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On February 10 2012 05:13 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:08 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 05:01 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:59 Shawngood wrote:On February 10 2012 04:46 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 04:43 Demonaz wrote:Dakkon is actually worse than me, why was he even invited We br , HONESTLY and HONESTLY, dont know! Let me just sum up a story: Apprently Fenix gave the tour. up a few days ago. Since the ESL direction didn`t want any "TBA" or "W.O." in the tournament, they suddently invited Dakkon, a guy who lives more than 200 miles from SP, and even PAYED this garbage his whole trip and stuff like that (why didnt the organization payed for great players like Snute or Stephano who was supposed to go too?) And now we are all mad for two reason: the fact they chose Dakkon to play the tournament (a mid master zerg who plays like shit) and payed for his trip. Lamp, a really great player who managed to beat players like Drewbie a while ago, was not invited, but the seed of the bracket was better than Dakkon`s. And guess what? Lamp lives in Sao Paulo city. So yea, we feel really ashamed that Potiguar, Tunico and specially Dakkon played for this thing. Lamp and Reason would have made a brilliant presentation. That story is not even close to being true. After Fenix cancelled we went to the fourth placed player (Thunder from Venezuela) and then to all the players that ranked 5th-8th in the Latin American qualifier (where also KiLLeR qualified from). Of those four players only DakkoN replied at all. Every player in the tournament receives at least $600 prize money. This money is meant to support teams and players to travel to the event. The only one you really have to blame is you or the players you named as they appearently didn't see the need to even try to qualify for a $21.000 tournament in their homecountry... You should really get ur facts straight. Fortune also was the same seed as Dakkon, and he stated in that forum that you guys NEVER called him and didn`t even got a msg, neither from his manager, team or facebook. And Fenix also stated he wouldn`t play before 3 weeks the tournament was about to begin I know I would`nt post anymore, but lets make the thing clear. Please send me a PM here on TeamLiquid with the exact details and maybe quotes from the players you named. I want to look into this. We have a partner here in South America/Brazil running qualifiers and tournaments for us so obviously we trust him and his work. I would like to do that. Just give a few minutes and I`ll pm you (I hope the admins don`t ban me before..). Now it`s only a matter to get the right post, won`t take too long.
Done
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Groupstage
Top 2 of each group advance to the playoffs. In StarCraft II the first ranked players of each group will face a
random second ranked player from another group in the first round of the playoffs. In League of Legends and
Counter-Strike the first ranked team of Group A will face the second ranked team of Group B and so on.
If two or more players are tied by points and round/map difference after the groupstage the final ranking will
be decided by ...
1. points among tied participants
2. map difference among tied participants
3. number of won maps among tied participants
4. overall map difference
5. overall number of won maps
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On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then?
Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute,
but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute.
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I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use.
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On February 10 2012 05:53 FreudianTrip wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:52 Trentelshark wrote:On February 10 2012 05:49 FreudianTrip wrote:
I've been watching the IEMs for a while now and I always have a problem with the 'Phil have you found us opponents yet?' ad.
Theres only 3 people in the Mumble Channel. Phil and 2 other people. What game are they playing where it's 3v3 and they have to manually find opponents?
#justsayin And yet the beginning of the ad is filled filled with so much promise... Im always fantasising about that dudes girlfriend for sure.
^^
Winner LOL!
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why does liquipedia show that ret is already through?
if he loses to snute 2-0 and slivko beats dakkon (which he should do) then ret is out
and i dont even think that its very unlikely that snute beats ret...
slivko outplayed in game 1 and in game 2 he was too indecisive with his spines but that was probably because he was nervous
and the third game slivko was a bit too greedy vs ret's pretty all-in-ish push.. would have been happy about an upset and i really like slivko actually
and i like snute as well so i actually hope that he beats ret and both of them move on eventhough i like ret as well
thats the problem with zerg groups i realld dont know who to root for
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On February 10 2012 05:52 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:48 TheBB wrote:On February 10 2012 05:45 Arc1 wrote:On February 10 2012 05:44 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 05:43 Arc1 wrote:
Um Snute must win 2-0 to advance. Snute wins 2-0 he advances. 2-1 it's a 3-way tie. (assuming slivko 2-0 dakkon, which we can be pretty safe to assume.) Yes you're right. I don't get it why MrBitter always has problem with this. Eh, it's not hard to understand that mental arithmetic is hard in certain situations. I was on a national talk show in prime time (no foolin') and I managed to confuse myself over whether 10^18 was a billion billions or not. The confusion is that it is NOT based purely of map score. It's a 5 step process, which no one can ever remember. Who beat who, match score, set score, it matters who has more wins, win/lose ratio doesn't count, bark bark bark Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:49 Vadrigar wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly. lol wut? If Snute beats Ret, Ret beat Slivko, Slivko beat Snute, how would you like that to be settled? The system isn't silly. People are. Again, who beat who alone doesn't seem to matter. That's how hero got knocked out at Kiev.
omfg... you're hopeless. It's a 3- WAY TIE. If 2 people are tied head to head is first.
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On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use.
^This
With GOM's format, there is no controversy, no three-way-ties, no mapscore or math to go by. It's straight-up, simple, and makes sense.
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On February 10 2012 05:55 sVnteen wrote:why does liquipedia show that ret is already through? if he loses to snute 2-0 and slivko beats dakkon (which he should do) then ret is out and i dont even think that its very unlikely that snute beats ret... slivko outplayed in game 1 and in game 2 he was too indecisive with his spines but that was probably because he was nervous and the third game slivko was a bit too greedy vs ret's pretty all-in-ish push.. would have been happy about an upset and i really like slivko actually and i like snute as well so i actually hope that he beats ret and both of them move on eventhough i like ret as well thats the problem with zerg groups i realld dont know who to root for
Liquipedia isnt always correct because everybody can edit it and people do make mistakes
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On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use.
I will never understand what's confusing about round robin group play with a tiebreak system set out in the rulebook.
The GOM system is great for the most part, but it does occasionally leave players advancing/struggling because they got unlucky/lucky with which player they didn't have to face.
I don't see the need to even be talking about tiebreaker scenarios though, Ret is a massive favourite to beat Snute.
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On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute.
Why not? You are assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute.
Then 3 players have 2 wins.
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On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL
You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard.
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On February 10 2012 05:55 sVnteen wrote:why does liquipedia show that ret is already through? if he loses to snute 2-0 and slivko beats dakkon (which he should do) then ret is out and i dont even think that its very unlikely that snute beats ret... slivko outplayed in game 1 and in game 2 he was too indecisive with his spines but that was probably because he was nervous and the third game slivko was a bit too greedy vs ret's pretty all-in-ish push.. would have been happy about an upset and i really like slivko actually and i like snute as well so i actually hope that he beats ret and both of them move on eventhough i like ret as well thats the problem with zerg groups i realld dont know who to root for
Because everyone, including people editing wiki can't consistently follow the silly IEM group system.
I've been raging pretty silly about it for the last couple of pages.
People seem to think it's simple and easy, however everyone still thinks it works differently.
It's kind of pointless to discuss it here I suppose.
I'll still add I think it's unprofessional how the casters, both Bitter and Rotterdam, look when they can't figure out how the groups work. This was the case here in Sao Paulo and at Kiev when Hero got knocked out.
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On February 10 2012 05:56 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use. ^This With GOM's format, there is no controversy, no three-way-ties, no mapscore or math to go by. It's straight-up, simple, and makes sense.
I agree wholeheartedly, the fact that there can be no discussion about who deserves to advance makes the normal GSL format so much better.
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this format is so simple
i really dont know why ppl have so much trouble understanding it
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On February 10 2012 05:57 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard.
What? I don't think you understand how the GSL system works.
It's a double elimination bracket of 4 people in the group stages.
You win two matches (2 bo3), you move on, you lose two matches you go down.
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Ret wins = he is #1 and slivko is #2.
Snute wins 2-0 = snute #1 and slivko #2
Snute wins 2-1 = tiebreaker between all 3.
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On February 10 2012 05:57 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use. I will never understand what's confusing about round robin group play with a tiebreak system set out in the rulebook. The GOM system is great for the most part, but it does occasionally leave players advancing/struggling because they got unlucky/lucky with which player they didn't have to face. I don't see the need to even be talking about tiebreaker scenarios though, Ret is a massive favourite to beat Snute.
This. There is a reason why round robin formats are used in about every sport while the GSL system is unique to the GSL. Round robin is just more fair.
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On February 10 2012 05:57 00Visor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. Why not? You are assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. Then 3 players have 2 wins.
I am fully expecting Ret to move on, but the possibility of him not moving on because of how silly this group stage set up made is what I disapprove, because it is still possible for him to go down despite beating 2 of the 3 players.
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Holy shit that man's a giant.
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On February 10 2012 05:59 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:57 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard. What? I don't think you understand how the GSL system works. It's a double elimination bracket of 4 people in the group stages. You win two matches (2 bo3), you move on, you lose two matches you go down.
You can play the same guy 2 times and go 3:2 against him but still get knocked out and he advances, you shouldn't try to use the GSL as an example if you didn't understand it ><
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The group stage system has been used for years in football- World Cup, Champions League, etc. It's really simple, effective and fair.
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On February 10 2012 06:00 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:57 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. Why not? You are assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. Then 3 players have 2 wins. I am fully expecting Ret to move on, but the possibility of him not moving on because of how silly this group stage set up made is what I disapprove, because it is still possible for him to go down despite beating 2 of the 3 players.
the other guys have beaten 2 out of 3 aswell
so wheres the problem?
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Am I the only one who thinks Portuguese sounds like a mixture of Spanish and Russian? -.-
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Is Snute gonna make his breakthrough? :p
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On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute.
i dont get your point at all -.-
if ret lost to snute and ALMOST LOST to slivko and wins vs dakkon why is it unfair if he goes down?
because slivko beat snute and ALMOST WON vs ret and wins vs dakkon (so he has better map score)
and snute won vs dakkon and ALMOST WON vs slivko and might win vs ret so he would have better map score as well (if he wins 2-0 at least i think if he goes 2-1 they are equal)
I dont get why you are saying that this would be unfair
(you mean just because dakkon has no reason to try anymore? because that is a) not true because he wants to proof himself at an international tournament at his home country and b) he would most likely go down 2-0 anyways as you said)
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On February 10 2012 05:58 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 sVnteen wrote:why does liquipedia show that ret is already through? if he loses to snute 2-0 and slivko beats dakkon (which he should do) then ret is out and i dont even think that its very unlikely that snute beats ret... slivko outplayed in game 1 and in game 2 he was too indecisive with his spines but that was probably because he was nervous and the third game slivko was a bit too greedy vs ret's pretty all-in-ish push.. would have been happy about an upset and i really like slivko actually and i like snute as well so i actually hope that he beats ret and both of them move on eventhough i like ret as well thats the problem with zerg groups i realld dont know who to root for Because everyone, including people editing wiki can't consistently follow the silly IEM group system. I've been raging pretty silly about it for the last couple of pages. People seem to think it's simple and easy, however everyone still thinks it works differently. It's kind of pointless to discuss it here I suppose. I'll still add I think it's unprofessional how the casters, both Bitter and Rotterdam, look when they can't figure out how the groups work. This was the case here in Sao Paulo and at Kiev when Hero got knocked out.
If Snute would beat Ret 2:0, the group would be:
Slivko 2:1 Snute
Ret 2:1 Slivko
Snute 2:0 Ret
Everyone 2:0 Dakkon
So Ret would be eliminated, because everyone else would have one map against the guy, he lost to. How is the system silly?
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Pretty complex situation, lets see how this ends up.
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On February 10 2012 06:01 clusen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:59 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:57 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard. What? I don't think you understand how the GSL system works. It's a double elimination bracket of 4 people in the group stages. You win two matches (2 bo3), you move on, you lose two matches you go down. You can play the same guy 2 times and go 3:2 against him but still get knocked out and he advances, you shouldn't try to use the GSL as an example if you didn't understand it ><
No, that's not possible to go 3:2 to anyone in a group stage.
If you win 2:1 and then TIE 1:1? You can win 2:0 and then lose 2nd match and then again lose 1:2 vs first opponent? You still lost 2 of your 3 matches.
You can lose 1:2, if you win a match and then play him a 2nd time, you can just NEVER end up being 3:2 and losing, you still have to win 2 bo3, that's it.
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Lol Bitter
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On February 10 2012 06:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:57 Asha` wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use. I will never understand what's confusing about round robin group play with a tiebreak system set out in the rulebook. The GOM system is great for the most part, but it does occasionally leave players advancing/struggling because they got unlucky/lucky with which player they didn't have to face. I don't see the need to even be talking about tiebreaker scenarios though, Ret is a massive favourite to beat Snute. This. There is a reason why round robin formats are used in about every sport while the GSL system is unique to the GSL. Round robin is just more fair.
And there is a reason why OSL, MSL and GSL use this unique system instead of blindly copying other sports. Because it is just better and more appropriate for Starcraft.
And we can debate fairness forever because you can find pros and cons for every format - but ultimately if you just follow the tradition that exists for a LONG time, people will accept it and everybody will be happy. If tournaments keep trying to reinvent the wheel and act as if they're smarter than the ones before them, it will just continue to rub people the wrong way.
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I can't even explain how much I love Rotti in the casting booth haha
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Poor Rotti had to kiss girls on their mouths to get a beer for every kiss.
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On February 10 2012 06:00 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:57 Asha` wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use. I will never understand what's confusing about round robin group play with a tiebreak system set out in the rulebook. The GOM system is great for the most part, but it does occasionally leave players advancing/struggling because they got unlucky/lucky with which player they didn't have to face. I don't see the need to even be talking about tiebreaker scenarios though, Ret is a massive favourite to beat Snute. This. There is a reason why round robin formats are used in about every sport while the GSL system is unique to the GSL. Round robin is just more fair.
There is also a reason most sports who follow a boX-format within their matches do almost never use round-robin with small groups/low number of groupstage-matches.
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On February 10 2012 06:03 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:01 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:59 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:57 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard. What? I don't think you understand how the GSL system works. It's a double elimination bracket of 4 people in the group stages. You win two matches (2 bo3), you move on, you lose two matches you go down. You can play the same guy 2 times and go 3:2 against him but still get knocked out and he advances, you shouldn't try to use the GSL as an example if you didn't understand it >< No, that's not possible to go 3:2 to anyone in a group stage. If you win 2:1 and then TIE 1:1? You can win 2:0 and then lose 2nd match and then again lose 1:2 vs first opponent? You still lost 2 of your 3 matches. You can lose 1:2, if you win a match and then play him a 2nd time, you can just NEVER end up being 3:2 and losing, you still have to win 2 bo3, that's it.
Yes you can. 2-0 the first match, then lose the winner's match. The guy you beat the first time comes back to the final match, and you lose 1-2. In sum, you beat him 3-2, but he advances, not you.
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On February 10 2012 05:58 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 sVnteen wrote:why does liquipedia show that ret is already through? if he loses to snute 2-0 and slivko beats dakkon (which he should do) then ret is out and i dont even think that its very unlikely that snute beats ret... slivko outplayed in game 1 and in game 2 he was too indecisive with his spines but that was probably because he was nervous and the third game slivko was a bit too greedy vs ret's pretty all-in-ish push.. would have been happy about an upset and i really like slivko actually and i like snute as well so i actually hope that he beats ret and both of them move on eventhough i like ret as well thats the problem with zerg groups i realld dont know who to root for Because everyone, including people editing wiki can't consistently follow the silly IEM group system. I've been raging pretty silly about it for the last couple of pages. People seem to think it's simple and easy, however everyone still thinks it works differently. It's kind of pointless to discuss it here I suppose. I'll still add I think it's unprofessional how the casters, both Bitter and Rotterdam, look when they can't figure out how the groups work. This was the case here in Sao Paulo and at Kiev when Hero got knocked out.
How is it not easy? World Cup in football uses the same system. (Goal difference instead of mapscore but you get the point.)
It makes perfect sense.
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IEM has one of the fairest systems out there. Whining about it because you don't understand it is infinitely ridiculous.
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On February 10 2012 05:57 Asha` wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use. I will never understand what's confusing about round robin group play with a tiebreak system set out in the rulebook. The GOM system is great for the most part, but it does occasionally leave players advancing/struggling because they got unlucky/lucky with which player they didn't have to face. I don't see the need to even be talking about tiebreaker scenarios though, Ret is a massive favourite to beat Snute.
Well first of all three way ties are always possible in a round robin system. Second of all often completely arbitrary neasures are used to determine who should advance. It is not at all objectively clear why someone who has won more maps should advance over someone who has lost less maps. Similarly it is not clear why someone who has beaten someone in the head-to-head match should advance, since the other player has beaten someone the other could not beat.
Prefering the round robin system is perfectly fine, there are problems with any system. But, it should be pretty easy to understand what is confusing about the system if you just try.
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On February 10 2012 06:04 Talin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:00 Redox wrote:On February 10 2012 05:57 Asha` wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MCDayC wrote:
I wish all tournaments would adopt the group stage format GOM uses, its far better than the confusing mess that 99% of foreign tournaments use. I will never understand what's confusing about round robin group play with a tiebreak system set out in the rulebook. The GOM system is great for the most part, but it does occasionally leave players advancing/struggling because they got unlucky/lucky with which player they didn't have to face. I don't see the need to even be talking about tiebreaker scenarios though, Ret is a massive favourite to beat Snute. This. There is a reason why round robin formats are used in about every sport while the GSL system is unique to the GSL. Round robin is just more fair. And there is a reason why OSL, MSL and GSL use this unique system instead of blindly copying other sports. Because it is just better and more appropriate for Starcraft. And we can debate fairness forever because you can find pros and cons for every format - but ultimately if you just follow the tradition that exists for a LONG time, people will accept it and everybody will be happy.
It's actually fairly terrible for Starcraft. Just because GSL does it doesn't mean it's all good.
Imagine This.
1. Good Player 1 vs. Good player 2.. Good 1 wins. (2-0)
2 Very Good 3 vs. Terrible 1. Very Good 3 wins. 2-0
3 Good 1 vs. Very Good 3 - Very Good 3 wins. 2-1
4 Good 2 vs. Terrible 1 Good 2 wins. 2-1
5 Good 1 vs. Good 2 - Good 2 wins. 2-1
Good 2 and 3 go on, Good 1 relegated.
Good 2 got an easy win vs. Terrible 1, while Good 1 is even with Good 2 in terms of games between them both, and Good 1 had to play MVP/MMA/Nestea, and gets a loss. Good 2 goes on based on an easy win vs. a perpetual Code A level player. Even if Good 1 has a 3-2s overall vs. Good 2.
Round Robin increases the need for more games, but it allots for easy and not easy matches.
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On February 10 2012 06:03 sVnteen wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. i dont get your point at all -.- if ret lost to snute and ALMOST LOST to slivko and wins vs dakkon why is it unfair if he goes down? because slivko beat snute and ALMOST WON vs ret and wins vs dakkon (so he has better map score) and snute won vs dakkon and ALMOST WON vs slivko and might win vs ret so he would have better map score as well (if he wins 2-0 at least i think if he goes 2-1 they are equal) I dont get why you are saying that this would be unfair (you mean just because dakkon has no reason to try anymore? because that is a) not true because he wants to proof himself at an international tournament at his home country and b) he would most likely go down 2-0 anyways as you said)
I made that pretty clear. You can't simply look at who beat who, by how many maps.
If you take the names out of the equation, maybe it can eliminate some bias.
Player 1 wins first 2 bo3.
Player 4 lost first 2 bo3 - He is out 100%.
Player 2 and 3 are in limbo.
If player 3 Beats player 4, when player 4 has nothing to gain (think Naniwa), and knocks out Player 1, is that fair?
Other way to look at it:
3 Player go 2-1 in their 3 bo3.
The 1 played his bo3 first, and went 5-3.
The 2 played his bo3 2nd and went 5-2.
The 3 played his bo3 last went 5-1, because he played an opponent who was out and didn't care to play.
1 beat 3, 1 is still out.
The point is, the best player doesn't move on, the player who got the most map wins, for non-consistent reasons, advances.
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The observer justed missed all of Ret's lings get owned by two banelings, saw it on the minimap.
One big giant red cluster, then it just disappears.
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On February 10 2012 06:06 TheBB wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:03 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 06:01 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:59 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:57 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard. What? I don't think you understand how the GSL system works. It's a double elimination bracket of 4 people in the group stages. You win two matches (2 bo3), you move on, you lose two matches you go down. You can play the same guy 2 times and go 3:2 against him but still get knocked out and he advances, you shouldn't try to use the GSL as an example if you didn't understand it >< That's the example I said, you didn't beat him 3-2 in a bo5, you won 1 bo3 and lost 2 bo3. You do go overall 3-2 vs one player, but he won 2 bo3 to move on. Everyone still has two only win 2 matches. No, that's not possible to go 3:2 to anyone in a group stage. If you win 2:1 and then TIE 1:1? You can win 2:0 and then lose 2nd match and then again lose 1:2 vs first opponent? You still lost 2 of your 3 matches. You can lose 1:2, if you win a match and then play him a 2nd time, you can just NEVER end up being 3:2 and losing, you still have to win 2 bo3, that's it. Yes you can. 2-0 the first match, then lose the winner's match. The guy you beat the first time comes back to the final match, and you lose 1-2. In sum, you beat him 3-2, but he advances, not you.
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Can't understand how people think a system where all players in group doesn't have to play each other can be more fair than this.
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On February 10 2012 06:13 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:06 TheBB wrote:On February 10 2012 06:03 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 06:01 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:59 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:57 clusen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL You can go 3:2 against the guy you play in the last match and still be knocked out, the GSL system is not any better in that regard. What? I don't think you understand how the GSL system works. It's a double elimination bracket of 4 people in the group stages. You win two matches (2 bo3), you move on, you lose two matches you go down. You can play the same guy 2 times and go 3:2 against him but still get knocked out and he advances, you shouldn't try to use the GSL as an example if you didn't understand it >< That's the example I said, you didn't beat him 3-2 in a bo5, you won 1 bo3 and lost 2 bo3. You do go overall 3-2 vs one player, but he won 2 bo3 to move on. Everyone still has two only win 2 matches. No, that's not possible to go 3:2 to anyone in a group stage. If you win 2:1 and then TIE 1:1? You can win 2:0 and then lose 2nd match and then again lose 1:2 vs first opponent? You still lost 2 of your 3 matches. You can lose 1:2, if you win a match and then play him a 2nd time, you can just NEVER end up being 3:2 and losing, you still have to win 2 bo3, that's it. Yes you can. 2-0 the first match, then lose the winner's match. The guy you beat the first time comes back to the final match, and you lose 1-2. In sum, you beat him 3-2, but he advances, not you.
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Ret showing his sick macro <3.
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Ret advances yeey
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On February 10 2012 06:11 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:03 sVnteen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. i dont get your point at all -.- if ret lost to snute and ALMOST LOST to slivko and wins vs dakkon why is it unfair if he goes down? because slivko beat snute and ALMOST WON vs ret and wins vs dakkon (so he has better map score) and snute won vs dakkon and ALMOST WON vs slivko and might win vs ret so he would have better map score as well (if he wins 2-0 at least i think if he goes 2-1 they are equal) I dont get why you are saying that this would be unfair (you mean just because dakkon has no reason to try anymore? because that is a) not true because he wants to proof himself at an international tournament at his home country and b) he would most likely go down 2-0 anyways as you said) I made that pretty clear. You can't simply look at who beat who, by how many maps. If you take the names out of the equation, maybe it can eliminate some bias. Player 1 wins first 2 bo3. Player 4 lost first 2 bo3 - He is out 100%. Player 2 and 3 are in limbo. If player 3 Beats player 4, when player 4 has nothing to gain (think Naniwa), and knocks out Player 1, is that fair? Other way to look at it: 3 Player go 2-1 in their 3 bo3. The 1 played his bo3 first, and went 5-3. The 2 played his bo3 2nd and went 5-2. The 3 played his bo3 last went 5-1, because he played an opponent who was out and didn't care to play. 1 beat 3, 1 is still out. The point is, the best player doesn't move on, the player who got the most map wins, for non-consistent reasons, advances.
dude, just stop. You DON'T GET it.
Player 1,2 and 3 beat 4 2:0.
Player 1 beats 2- 2:1
Player 3 beats 1- 2:1
Player 2 beats 3- 2:0
1 and 2 advance. THAT was the scenario, but it won't happen because Ret will roll Snute.
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He won a TvZ against MorroW, not a ZvZ...
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On February 10 2012 06:13 falafelnr1 wrote:
Can't understand how people think a system where all players in group doesn't have to play each other can be more fair than this.
i agree, this doesnt make any sense oO
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On February 10 2012 06:11 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:03 sVnteen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. i dont get your point at all -.- if ret lost to snute and ALMOST LOST to slivko and wins vs dakkon why is it unfair if he goes down? because slivko beat snute and ALMOST WON vs ret and wins vs dakkon (so he has better map score) and snute won vs dakkon and ALMOST WON vs slivko and might win vs ret so he would have better map score as well (if he wins 2-0 at least i think if he goes 2-1 they are equal) I dont get why you are saying that this would be unfair (you mean just because dakkon has no reason to try anymore? because that is a) not true because he wants to proof himself at an international tournament at his home country and b) he would most likely go down 2-0 anyways as you said) I made that pretty clear. You can't simply look at who beat who, by how many maps. If you take the names out of the equation, maybe it can eliminate some bias. Player 1 wins first 2 bo3. Player 4 lost first 2 bo3 - He is out 100%. Player 2 and 3 are in limbo. If player 3 Beats player 4, when player 4 has nothing to gain (think Naniwa), and knocks out Player 1, is that fair? Other way to look at it: 3 Player go 2-1 in their 3 bo3. The 1 played his bo3 first, and went 5-3. The 2 played his bo3 2nd and went 5-2. The 3 played his bo3 last went 5-1, because he played an opponent who was out and didn't care to play. 1 beat 3, 1 is still out. The point is, the best player doesn't move on, the player who got the most map wins, for non-consistent reasons, advances.
Thats a good point as well. Maybe GSL system is ok GSL, because player skills are somewhat equal. But in a tournamen like IEM where player skills within one group are that different it would be terrible.
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I see Bisu's hair on snute's head
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mr.cash is way to stupid to understand the most simple format ever
User was warned for this post
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..and he won the match by bling-busting
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On February 10 2012 06:11 MrCash wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:03 sVnteen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. i dont get your point at all -.- if ret lost to snute and ALMOST LOST to slivko and wins vs dakkon why is it unfair if he goes down? because slivko beat snute and ALMOST WON vs ret and wins vs dakkon (so he has better map score) and snute won vs dakkon and ALMOST WON vs slivko and might win vs ret so he would have better map score as well (if he wins 2-0 at least i think if he goes 2-1 they are equal) I dont get why you are saying that this would be unfair (you mean just because dakkon has no reason to try anymore? because that is a) not true because he wants to proof himself at an international tournament at his home country and b) he would most likely go down 2-0 anyways as you said) The 1 played his bo3 first, and went 5-3. The 2 played his bo3 2nd and went 5-2. The 3 played his bo3 last went 5-1, because he played an opponent who was out and didn't care to play. 1 beat 3, 1 is still out.
OK. You could have made the point clear a bit earlier .
It`s right that this is a problem of round robin.
But in this case Dakkon seems to be way behind in skill of the other players (+ he wants to show the local crowd not too bad games), so this isn't something to complain about this time.
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ESL system is the fairest possible way.
But GSL system is more exciting for the viewer.
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On February 10 2012 06:18 fabiano wrote:
I see Bisu's hair on snute's head
I don't, though snute has great hair
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On February 10 2012 06:17 Vadrigar wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:11 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 06:03 sVnteen wrote:On February 10 2012 05:55 MrCash wrote:On February 10 2012 05:53 00Visor wrote:On February 10 2012 05:47 MrCash wrote:
Again, people still don't understand how this silly group stages go, this needs to go away.
There is still a chance slivko and snute both have a better score than ret, even though slivko already lost to ret.
Then it boils down to what is more important, map score or who beat who?
If slivko goes 5-3 and Ret ends up 4-3, SHOULD slivko still go down?
If so, why should he even try vs dakkon?
If not, how the hell is that fair to Ret that he beat someone, but they advanced because he won vs Dakkon, he actually had no incentive to try either?
Silly group system is silly.
tl;dr: Double elimination group stages ala GSL not silly at all if snute beats Ret its Snute > Ret > Slivko > Snute So every player beat another one, but one has to go down. Why is mapscore not fair then? Because it's not Snute > Ret > Slivo > Snute, but rather Slivko > Ret because he beat Dakkon 2-0 who's results didn't matter anymore (even though Slivko might win 2-0 if he played earlier just as easily). Assuming Ret gets 2-0ed by Snute. i dont get your point at all -.- if ret lost to snute and ALMOST LOST to slivko and wins vs dakkon why is it unfair if he goes down? because slivko beat snute and ALMOST WON vs ret and wins vs dakkon (so he has better map score) and snute won vs dakkon and ALMOST WON vs slivko and might win vs ret so he would have better map score as well (if he wins 2-0 at least i think if he goes 2-1 they are equal) I dont get why you are saying that this would be unfair (you mean just because dakkon has no reason to try anymore? because that is a) not true because he wants to proof himself at an international tournament at his home country and b) he would most likely go down 2-0 anyways as you said) I made that pretty clear. You can't simply look at who beat who, by how many maps. If you take the names out of the equation, maybe it can eliminate some bias. Player 1 wins first 2 bo3. Player 4 lost first 2 bo3 - He is out 100%. Player 2 and 3 are in limbo. If player 3 Beats player 4, when player 4 has nothing to gain (think Naniwa), and knocks out Player 1, is that fair? Other way to look at it: 3 Player go 2-1 in their 3 bo3. The 1 played his bo3 first, and went 5-3. The 2 played his bo3 2nd and went 5-2. The 3 played his bo3 last went 5-1, because he played an opponent who was out and didn't care to play. 1 beat 3, 1 is still out. The point is, the best player doesn't move on, the player who got the most map wins, for non-consistent reasons, advances. dude, just stop. You DON'T GET it. Player 1,2 and 3 beat 4 2:0. Player 1 beats 2- 2:1 Player 3 beats 1- 2:1 Player 2 beats 3- 2:0 1 and 2 advance. THAT was the scenario, but it won't happen because Ret will roll Snute.
I think his point is that matches happen at different times and this affects the outcome somewhat, which is fair criticism.
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On February 10 2012 06:22 dmnum wrote:I don't, thought snute has great hair
You're saying Bisu doesn't have great hair?
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that was a huge bling hit
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On February 10 2012 06:24 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:22 dmnum wrote:On February 10 2012 06:18 fabiano wrote:
I see Bisu's hair on snute's head I don't, though snute has great hair You're saying Bisu doesn't have great hair?
Oh the difference one letter makes. I meant though, not thought. Both have great hair but bisu is longer.
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Ret kills another player for over-droning... It's opposite day or something.
Go Ret! Great job dude!
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Ret took a year of experience of being killed for overdroning and now does it to everyone else.
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On February 10 2012 06:27 pred470r wrote:
Game ends, stream dies.
It's fine for me.
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Jeez - Brazilian players 1-16 now.
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On February 10 2012 06:27 garbanzo wrote:
Ret kills another player for over-droning... It's opposite day or something.
Go Ret! Great job dude!
Considering he generaly is so passive, players might feel over confident in droning against Ret.
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On February 10 2012 06:28 greycubed wrote:
Jeez - Brazilian players 1-16 now.
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page)
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gg for Ret, glad he got first in his group.
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Sadpanda
Shame Snute didn't beat sLivko, they seem to be trading series when they play - guess it was sLivko's time to win :\
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On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:28 greycubed wrote:
Jeez - Brazilian players 1-16 now. Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page)
fortune played, but he lost. Lamp lost in the brazilian qualifiers to akhee and didnt participate in the SA qualifier.
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On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:28 greycubed wrote:
Jeez - Brazilian players 1-16 now. Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page)
okay man, but thats not an excuse.
accept the fact that we are doing worse than horrible
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On February 10 2012 06:24 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:22 dmnum wrote:On February 10 2012 06:18 fabiano wrote:
I see Bisu's hair on snute's head I don't, thought snute has great hair You're saying Bisu doesn't have great hair?
I think he said, Snute isn't the same as Bisu, but also has great hair.
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On February 10 2012 06:18 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:13 falafelnr1 wrote:
Can't understand how people think a system where all players in group doesn't have to play each other can be more fair than this. i agree, this doesnt make any sense oO
I like the group system of the GSL better, not because it is more fair than this system, but simply it avoids stupid situations where the advance of either player x or y is decided by how player x plays against a third player z. Btw. what is all this about (didn't watch the end of the last group)?
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On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page)
I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups
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Slivko dropped map to Dakkon? Wut?
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Dakkon won a map for Brazil! haha
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On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups
Are you serious? lol.
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bitter, you and numbers :p
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On February 10 2012 06:33 cyclone25 wrote:
Dakkon won a map for Brazil! haha
Haha? More like uehueuehuehuehu
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wow ret really abusing his reputation with 2 base roach all-ins
actually makes me sad that ret is not confident in zvz late anymore -.-
as we saw vs slivko his zvz later midgame is not the greatest so i actually think he would be in a looot of trouble vs DF for example who got really good vs midgame all-ins playing in german eps xD
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would be funny if dakkon went 6 pool for a Brazil win
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"We get into this situation every IEM"
"I know, every time afterwards i get PM's on Teamliquid like 'You suck at counting Bitter' and it sucks"
Hahahahaha
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On February 10 2012 06:30 dmnum wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:28 greycubed wrote:
Jeez - Brazilian players 1-16 now. Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) fortune played, but he lost. Lamp lost in the brazilian qualifiers to akhee and didnt participate in the SA qualifier.
There's a player named Lamp? LOL
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On February 10 2012 06:35 Animzor wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:30 dmnum wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:28 greycubed wrote:
Jeez - Brazilian players 1-16 now. Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) fortune played, but he lost. Lamp lost in the brazilian qualifiers to akhee and didnt participate in the SA qualifier. There's a player named Lamp? LOL
yeap haha he's our best terran. GM on US
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On February 10 2012 06:27 garbanzo wrote:
Ret kills another player for over-droning... It's opposite day or something.
It's great to see more aggression from him. He can often out-macro opponents in the long term but sometimes its better just to pull the trigger and kill them outright.
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On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol.
If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too.
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On February 10 2012 06:35 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:
"We get into this situation every IEM"
"I know, every time afterwards i get PM's on Teamliquid like 'You suck at counting Bitter' and it sucks"
Hahahahaha
to bitter's defense, the liquipedia page had a incorrect mapscores when they were looking it up
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lol, MrBitter trying maths
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MrBitter failing at maths is classic by now
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On February 10 2012 06:37 VirGin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too.
Drewbie sure will lose to Bigs, hahaaha.. Macsed or Dragon too... Or snute rofl haha! you`re 100% rght
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On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol.
Yeah thats pretty ridiculous....i would imagine Drewbie would do well but Macsed and Dragon would either 6-0 any group (Besides SuperNoVa's group) and if not they would for sure come an easy and close second
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Feast can beat Supernova? Mr Bitter is starting to be as annoying as Moletrap with his claims. So uneducated in korean e-sports scene
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On February 10 2012 06:34 sVnteen wrote:
wow ret really abusing his reputation with 2 base roach all-ins
actually makes me sad that ret is not confident in zvz late anymore -.-
as we saw vs slivko his zvz later midgame is not the greatest so i actually think he would be in a looot of trouble vs DF for example who got really good vs midgame all-ins playing in german eps xD
You all get this from 1 midgame ? I doubt is has to do with confidence, but more that he is using his reputation as a passive endgame macro player to get aggressive early.
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On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol.
Drewbie hasn't played in anything important in like 2 months and hasn't won anything significant ever, and is in worse form than he used to be relative to the rest of the scene
Dragon barely ever plays in tournaments and has done awful when he has
Macsed is good I guess
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On February 10 2012 06:38 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. Yeah thats pretty ridiculous....i would imagine Drewbie would do well but Macsed and Dragon would either 6-0 any group (Besides SuperNoVa's group) and if not they would for sure come an easy and close second
you highly overrate all 3 of those, just like the other guy before you underrates them oO
how do you even come up with those names oO
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On February 10 2012 06:38 SASBC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:37 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too. Drewbie sure will lose to Bigs, hahaaha.. Macsed or Dragon too... Or snute rofl haha! you`re 100% rght
Actually your right, maybe not Macsed. He shuold actually be pretty good. Dragon (the former slayers, right?) even quit the game for a while to focus on work. Maybe he is strong, maybe he isn't. Drewbie would go 0-6 in all the groups.
Besides, "recently beating someone" in some random cup or on ladder is no achievement.
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On February 10 2012 06:39 power-overwhelming wrote:
Feast can beat Supernova? Mr Bitter is starting to be as annoying as Moletrap with his claims. So uneducated in korean e-sports scene
Feast almost beat MMA, gold bases saved him. No gold bases in this event
Go Feast!
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I should clarify that I was projecting what would happen if you put Dragon, Macsed, and Drewbie in those groups in place of the Brazilians
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Thank god for Illusion, Killer and Snute. Without them, you might think that flags with white, blue and red are op.
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On February 10 2012 06:37 VirGin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too.
MacSed wouldnt lose. He would probably be able to 6-0 a group if he wasnt in the same group as SuperNoVa.
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On February 10 2012 06:43 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:37 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too. MacSed wouldnt lose.
Your right, your right, I take it back. Macsed would prolly advance from all these groups. (But I wouldn't say for sure 6-0 in any of them.) Drewbie though, wouldn't ever.
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so its over for today?... why the hell were they talking about ret vs demuslim then?... i got pumped...
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On February 10 2012 06:43 Eee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:37 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too. MacSed wouldnt lose. He would probably be able to 6-0 a group if he wasnt in the same group as SuperNoVa.
Maybe I don't know his play that well but when I look through his TLPD page I can't find more than a few players that Macsed has beaten
that's not to say he couldn't but let's not pretend he'd 6-0 groups with established players like Feast, DemusliM, Ret, Darkforce, viOlet, etc.
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how are the seedings into the playoffs decided? will the players draw lots or is there some fixed seeding?
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On February 10 2012 06:40 KalWarkov wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:38 iAmBiGbiRd wrote:On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. Yeah thats pretty ridiculous....i would imagine Drewbie would do well but Macsed and Dragon would either 6-0 any group (Besides SuperNoVa's group) and if not they would for sure come an easy and close second you highly overrate all 3 of those, just like the other guy before you underrates them oO how do you even come up with those names oO
No i don't....Drewbie would (probably/maybe) advance depending on his group and Dragon would advance in any group. Macsed would finish top in any of the groups including Supernovas as he has a pretty bad TvP and Macsed has a pretty good PvT (Macsed lost a close series vs MVP 1-2 at WCG while SuperNoVa got crushed by Titan 0-2)
At least i use logic not just "You overrate them so bad omg"
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On February 10 2012 06:39 power-overwhelming wrote:
Feast can beat Supernova? Mr Bitter is starting to be as annoying as Moletrap with his claims. So uneducated in korean e-sports scene
Do you remember how supernova got knocked out of WCG?
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On February 10 2012 06:48 corpuscle wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 06:43 Eee wrote:On February 10 2012 06:37 VirGin wrote:On February 10 2012 06:33 SASBC wrote:On February 10 2012 06:32 corpuscle wrote:On February 10 2012 06:30 SASBC wrote:
Lamp, Reason and Fortune didnt play the qualifers. Lamp recently beat Dragon, Drewbie, etc Reason beat Macsed and Fortune is an awesome player (you can check out his liquipedia page) I could easily see Dragon, Drewbie, or Macsed going 0-6 or 1-6 in some of these groups Are you serious? lol. If you switch Drewbie or Macsed with say, Potiguar or Dakkon, then yes, they'd prolly lose the group too. MacSed wouldnt lose. He would probably be able to 6-0 a group if he wasnt in the same group as SuperNoVa. Maybe I don't know his play that well but when I look through his TLPD page I can't find more than a few players that Macsed has beaten that's not to say he couldn't but let's not pretend he'd 6-0 groups with established players like Feast, DemusliM, Ret, Darkforce, viOlet, etc.
He¨s among the top 3 players in China (Along with F91 and Xigua). Also I wouldnt really trust the TLPD since it isent really up to date with Chinese tournaments and he hasnt really played in any foreign tournaments besides WCG (where he was knocked out by MVP).
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OH GOD THEY'VE RUINED BABA O'RILEY.
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Twitch is just unwatchable. They should fix their servers.
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IntelEM IntelExtremeMasters
Play-Offs:
SuperNoVa - sLivko /
Feast - ReaL /
ret - DarK.FoRcE /
viOLet - DeMusliM
#IEM #CPBR5
1 minute ago
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SuperNoVa vs. Slivko
real vs. Feast
ret vs. DarKFoRcE
DeMusliM vs. viOLet
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edit: this has nothing to do with IEM, redacted
double edit: more mirror matches, yay...
I'm starting to wonder if tournaments should start ignoring seeding to give preference to non-mirror matchups, PvP and ZvZ in particular are super boring as a spectator and frankly don't really determine who's the better player anyway
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Tough draw for Demu, probably only slightly better than hitting Supernova. I believe though. He looked very good at holding some big roach aggression in both his tvz's yesterday and violet is certainly a fan of that. Fabregas terran fighting!
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On February 10 2012 06:58 keksen wrote:
SuperNoVa vs. Slivko
real vs. Feast
ret vs. DarKFoRcE
DeMusliM vs. viOLet
Supernova - Violet finals would be my guess.
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On February 10 2012 06:58 keksen wrote:
SuperNoVa vs. Slivko
real vs. Feast
ret vs. DarKFoRcE
DeMusliM vs. viOLet
Not the best matchups :/. 2 Protoss against each other, the other series could be one-sided.
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On February 10 2012 06:39 power-overwhelming wrote:
Feast can beat Supernova? Mr Bitter is starting to be as annoying as Moletrap with his claims. So uneducated in korean e-sports scene
of course in a perfect world that would not happen, but it wouldn't be that surprising considering the current tvp trend
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On February 10 2012 06:58 yiNyO wrote:
IntelEM IntelExtremeMasters
Play-Offs:
SuperNoVa - sLivko /
Feast - ReaL /
ret - DarK.FoRcE /
viOLet - DeMusliM
#IEM #CPBR5
1 minute ago
So a PvP and a ZvZ, not the most exciting possible matchups.
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On February 10 2012 06:58 keksen wrote:
SuperNoVa vs. Slivko
real vs. Feast
ret vs. DarKFoRcE
DeMusliM vs. viOLet
I bet five internets on that outcome.
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I hope Feast does some crazy shit and goes to the finals.
Wouldn't mind Ret - Feast final.
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So Ret's basically going to have to ride ZvZs until the final.
Oh dear. This sounds vaguely familiar.
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On February 10 2012 07:00 Savern101 wrote:
Tough draw for Demu, probably only slightly better than hitting Supernova. I believe though. He looked very good at holding some big roach aggression in both his tvz's yesterday and violet is certainly a fan of that. Fabregas terran fighting!
He lost 0-3 to Violet in January, I doubt he can win a bo5 vs him.
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Really love ReaL, but I swear I think Feast can beat SuperNova.
Realistically, Violet or Ret vs SuperNova in the final.
Feast an underdog, but not a long shot.
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Wow looks like Fridays matches start at a normal time. 9am PST
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On February 10 2012 07:08 MrBitter wrote:
Really love ReaL, but I swear I think Feast can beat SuperNova.
Realistically, Violet or Ret vs SuperNova in the final.
Feast an underdog, but not a long shot.
#foreignerbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbias
anyways, glad that violet advanced, not enough recognition for him him. When people see him as a terror in tournaments will be when im happy.
On February 10 2012 07:13 zefreak wrote:
Feast a long shot
agree, he only won vs demu (who played decent) because demuslim fucked up both times, and if supernova plays average and feast plays his best then supernova is still favored
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Jesus christ, after today, I really never want to see another mirror match-up ever again I wasn't even listening by the end of today and now theres 2 more :/
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Wow. Just woke up. Looks like ret has the chance to go up to the finals!
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On February 10 2012 07:18 Rulker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 10 2012 07:08 MrBitter wrote:
Really love ReaL, but I swear I think Feast can beat SuperNova.
Realistically, Violet or Ret vs SuperNova in the final.
Feast an underdog, but not a long shot. #foreignerbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbiasbias anyways, glad that violet advanced, not enough recognition for him him. When people see him as a terror in tournaments will be when im happy. agree, he only won vs demu (who played decent) because demuslim fucked up both times, and if supernova plays average and feast plays his best then supernova is still favored
Would be nice to see someone relatively unknown do well, as opposed to the simple bet on Koreans style people have adopted. Hopefully it would motivate some really good people that don't get as much spotlight.
Also Belgians are scary :3
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Poland375 Posts
Tomorrow before the start of the show we will do an FFA match with:
x Rob Pimpson
x RotterdaM
x Killer
x XlorD
x Illusion
x ret (unconfirmed)
x Demuslim
x vioLet
Commentated by me (unfortunately) and MrBitter.
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SuperNoVa vs. viOLet finals.
Going to be pretty goddamn sick.
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I want to say that DeMuslim could beat Violet, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
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On February 10 2012 07:28 Carmac wrote:
Tomorrow before the start of the show we will do an FFA match with:
x Rob Pimpson
x RotterdaM
x Killer
x XlorD
x Illusion
x ret (unconfirmed)
x Demuslim
x vioLet
Commentated by me (unfortunately) and MrBitter.
Yeah Booooooooooooyyyyy! Awesome :D
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On February 10 2012 07:29 Leifish wrote:
SuperNoVa vs. viOLet finals.
Going to be pretty goddamn sick.
I think they will meet before finals due to their placement?
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On February 10 2012 07:28 Carmac wrote:
Tomorrow before the start of the show we will do an FFA match with:
x Rob Pimpson
x RotterdaM
x Killer
x XlorD
x Illusion
x ret (unconfirmed)
x Demuslim
x vioLet
Commentated by me (unfortunately) and MrBitter.
Holy shit that sounds awesome! Please upload VODs for this.
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wow can't believe 2 zergs advance from group D. Zerg OP
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On February 10 2012 07:45 Gator wrote:
wow can't believe 2 zergs advance from group D. Zerg OP
I can't believe 2 Zergs got eliminated. ._. Zerg have gotten so depressed man, they now lose all the time not only to T and P, but to Z as well.
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I love Nydus Hydra on TA.
So good against FFE into stargate. So legit.
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On February 10 2012 07:28 Carmac wrote:
Tomorrow before the start of the show we will do an FFA match with:
x Rob Pimpson
x RotterdaM
x Killer
x XlorD
x Illusion
x ret (unconfirmed)
x Demuslim
x vioLet
Commentated by me (unfortunately) and MrBitter.
This is going to be awesome.
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On February 10 2012 07:34 MCDayC wrote:
I want to say that DeMuslim could beat Violet, but I don't think it's gonna happen.
Me too. If he's in full beast mode (the kind where he walks over Ret in practice) then yes. I reckon he'll take at least 1 game though, if he's calmed his nerves. He should've taken a game against violet in the qualifiers but suffered from diamond Terran syndrome (wasn't looking at marines for 2 seconds, banelings walked in)
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Dear God,
Pleeeease let Liquid Ret win.
Amen :D
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deMuslim is so dead in his group. Too bad for the British Terran.
He seemed a bit rusty in his matches with Feast.
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Ret vs Darkforce NOOOO!!!!
And 2 protoss advance to RO8, they have to face each other. Buuuuu!!!
Don't think Demuslim will beat Violet.
I really want Feast to beat Real, but pvp so volatile.
Ret, gogo beat that fast talking darkforce.
Supernova..lol. IEM winner.
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