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On February 07 2012 20:17 Rulker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:15 Kommander wrote:On February 07 2012 20:13 Wafflelisk wrote:
Are people overrating BW experience, or has Hyun simply not played enough SC2? Interesting either way.. Can be a lot of things. Hyun only has 2 months of SC2 experience, which is similar but still pretty different from BW. A few more months can change that. And Hyun is no Flash, Jaedong, or Bisu. Do you know for sure only 2 months or is that when he was announced? Because people are under the impression ForGG only played for like 2 Months when he had played for like 6 months.
It was already known that forgg was topping korean sc2 ladder before he joined ogs, but as far as we know hyun didnt start real sc2 practice till he joined TSL.
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Well i think that most terrans wouldn't hold the first big push of Hyun, that was very very strong, but man, taeja pulled him back big time, sick sick control, I feared there that it would be too much, but then taeja strongly ciments his lead to the win.
But Hyun, i'm impressed sir, big big macro, good flanks, not enough buddy, maybe next time you don't face a TvZ god.
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TaeJa ! That was the only one I was worried for tbh.
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On February 07 2012 20:19 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:17 pdd wrote:Ok I'm feeling generous, since I'm not really excited by either of the next two matches. I will continue to LR the next series. Which match would you want to see me LR? Poll: Which match should I LR? Luvsic vs Ace (11) 50% John vs Sculp (11) 50% 22 total votes Your vote: Which match should I LR? (Vote): Luvsic vs Ace
(Vote): John vs Sculp
U LR Stream 1 I LR Stream 2
Stream 1 = Luvsic Ace?
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On February 07 2012 20:16 icecreamlolz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:15 Inflicted_ wrote:On February 07 2012 20:14 Jehct wrote:
One of those weird games where Hyun out-maneouvred his opponent (arguably outplayed) but didn't play strategically correctly. Can't do that style against MULE's and planetaries Hyun, you have to transition =( Any weaker Terran, and HyuN would've rolled over them with that style. Perhaps that's why he believes it works so well and doesn't try to 'fix' it. yeah hyun was just unlucky to face one of the few! terrans who go marine/tank against zerg. NoWay for him to see that coming.
What an awful fucking post. The style he was playing was a 'power build', much like Bomber's TvZ - you get a fast third and then play defensively, with fast-ish upgrades, until ~170 supply. You then push while trying to secure your fourth, reinforcing with as many disposable marines as possible and minimal tank/medivac, trying to conserve them instead.
It worked because Taeja played the map correctly and it's really hard for zerg to deny the planetary in the middle there.
Fuck you and your awful posts.
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On February 07 2012 20:18 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:14 MCDayC wrote:On February 07 2012 20:12 Maghetti wrote:
This shows how important game knowledge is. Think what a experienced sc2 zerg could do with 4k gas? lol What the fuck does that mean? Hyun's been playing Starcraft long enough to know that banking 4k gas is terrible, and he knows that infestors, brood lords, Ultras exist. There's no excuse for mistakes like that. I'm sorry, but that is obviously lack of experience. He came in with a plan without real knowledge on how to transition after it did damage. He has played barely 2 months. I expected play like this honestly. Strong mechanics but no idea what to do if he strays a little bit away from his game plan.
It's quite clear that he had a pretty specific game plan for the map, likely because people consider ZvT to be impossible on Antiga. This leads to strats like DRG's roach/baneling drop timing. 4k gas was a mistake, but the mistake was actually taking his 5th/6th/7th/8th gases and not just taking more expansions. Calling it inexperience is underestimating Hyun.
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why bomber why??? ;(
although I really like Heart! :D
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On February 07 2012 20:14 Jehct wrote:
One of those weird games where Hyun out-maneouvred his opponent (arguably outplayed) but didn't play strategically correctly. Can't do that style against MULE's and planetaries Hyun, you have to transition =(
so how is it outplaying, if you do a bunch of "good moves", that have nothing to do with the particular game you are playing?
"Yeah, I outsmarted you. You thought I was bluffing, but I have 3kings!"
"You know we are playing Black Jack and not Texas Hold em?"
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On February 07 2012 20:19 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:19 Seeker wrote:On February 07 2012 20:17 pdd wrote:Ok I'm feeling generous, since I'm not really excited by either of the next two matches. I will continue to LR the next series. Which match would you want to see me LR? Poll: Which match should I LR? Luvsic vs Ace (11) 50% John vs Sculp (11) 50% 22 total votes Your vote: Which match should I LR? (Vote): Luvsic vs Ace
(Vote): John vs Sculp
U LR Stream 1 I LR Stream 2 Stream 1 = Luvsic Ace?
Yeah
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On February 07 2012 20:17 pdd wrote:Ok I'm feeling generous, since I'm not really excited by either of the next two matches. I will continue to LR the next series. Which match would you want to see me LR? Poll: Which match should I LR? Luvsic vs Ace (11) 50% John vs Sculp (11) 50% 22 total votes Your vote: Which match should I LR? (Vote): Luvsic vs Ace
(Vote): John vs Sculp
Voting to keep it at 50% 
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On February 07 2012 20:18 Maghetti wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:14 MCDayC wrote:On February 07 2012 20:12 Maghetti wrote:
This shows how important game knowledge is. Think what a experienced sc2 zerg could do with 4k gas? lol What the fuck does that mean? Hyun's been playing Starcraft long enough to know that banking 4k gas is terrible, and he knows that infestors, brood lords, Ultras exist. There's no excuse for mistakes like that. I'm sorry, but that is obviously lack of experience. He came in with a plan without real knowledge on how to transition after it did damage. He has played barely 2 months. I expected play like this honestly. Strong mechanics but no idea what to do if he strays a little bit away from his game plan.
Are you kidding me? He was a pro gamer before he started SC2, I think he would understand strategy games enough to know that he should plan to transition after damage. Or maybe the coach he lives with would help him? Odds are he's ground out more games in these 2 months than most people have played on this site in 2 years.
Could it just be possible that Taeja was the far better player tonight?
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What Hyun played just looks cool but it didn't do enough damage and he kept doing something like that again and agin until he lost.
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On February 07 2012 20:20 Big J wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:14 Jehct wrote:
One of those weird games where Hyun out-maneouvred his opponent (arguably outplayed) but didn't play strategically correctly. Can't do that style against MULE's and planetaries Hyun, you have to transition =( so how is it outplaying, if you do a bunch of "good moves", that have nothing to do with the particular game you are playing? "Yeah, I outsmarted you. You thought I was bluffing, but I have 3kings!" "You know we are playing Black Jack and not Texas Hold em?"
you're really bad at this game no ?
Positionning, engaging fights properly is the most important thing by far at this lvl, and Hyun did it way better than Taeja in game 2. Then he's clueless because I don't think he has many games where the T holds his 50+bling/ling push.
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On February 07 2012 20:22 cyclone25 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:17 pdd wrote:Ok I'm feeling generous, since I'm not really excited by either of the next two matches. I will continue to LR the next series. Which match would you want to see me LR? Poll: Which match should I LR? Luvsic vs Ace (11) 50% John vs Sculp (11) 50% 22 total votes Your vote: Which match should I LR? (Vote): Luvsic vs Ace
(Vote): John vs Sculp
Voting to keep it at 50%
Can't do both 
Haha anyway, Seeker has dictated that I'm doing Luvsic vs Ace.
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On February 07 2012 20:14 Jehct wrote:
One of those weird games where Hyun out-maneouvred his opponent (arguably outplayed) but didn't play strategically correctly. Can't do that style against MULE's and planetaries Hyun, you have to transition =(
You can't outplay your opponent and lose. I really wish people would stop saying things like that. If he outplayed him, he would have won. It's really that simple.
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On February 07 2012 20:19 Seeker wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:17 pdd wrote:Ok I'm feeling generous, since I'm not really excited by either of the next two matches. I will continue to LR the next series. Which match would you want to see me LR? Poll: Which match should I LR? Luvsic vs Ace (11) 50% John vs Sculp (11) 50% 22 total votes Your vote: Which match should I LR? (Vote): Luvsic vs Ace
(Vote): John vs Sculp
U LR Stream 1 I LR Stream 2
And so it hath been spoken, And so it shall be.
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On February 07 2012 20:20 Jehct wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:16 icecreamlolz wrote:On February 07 2012 20:15 Inflicted_ wrote:On February 07 2012 20:14 Jehct wrote:
One of those weird games where Hyun out-maneouvred his opponent (arguably outplayed) but didn't play strategically correctly. Can't do that style against MULE's and planetaries Hyun, you have to transition =( Any weaker Terran, and HyuN would've rolled over them with that style. Perhaps that's why he believes it works so well and doesn't try to 'fix' it. yeah hyun was just unlucky to face one of the few! terrans who go marine/tank against zerg. NoWay for him to see that coming. What an awful fucking post. The style he was playing was a 'power build', much like Bomber's TvZ - you get a fast third and then play defensively, with fast-ish upgrades, until ~170 supply. You then push while trying to secure your fourth, reinforcing with as many disposable marines as possible and minimal tank/medivac, trying to conserve them instead. It worked because Taeja played the map correctly and it's really hard for zerg to deny the planetary in the middle there. Fuck you and your awful posts.
so much hate... i never went into strategical depth or something similar. i just said that staying on zergling/baneling + some mutas doesnt cut it without a transition out of it. its still no late game comp, doesnt matter how hard you try to push the baneling numbers and use flanks! and saying that he wouldve rolled almost every other terran with that style is just wrong.
why the insults?
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On February 07 2012 20:22 BigKahunaBurger wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:18 Maghetti wrote:On February 07 2012 20:14 MCDayC wrote:On February 07 2012 20:12 Maghetti wrote:
This shows how important game knowledge is. Think what a experienced sc2 zerg could do with 4k gas? lol What the fuck does that mean? Hyun's been playing Starcraft long enough to know that banking 4k gas is terrible, and he knows that infestors, brood lords, Ultras exist. There's no excuse for mistakes like that. I'm sorry, but that is obviously lack of experience. He came in with a plan without real knowledge on how to transition after it did damage. He has played barely 2 months. I expected play like this honestly. Strong mechanics but no idea what to do if he strays a little bit away from his game plan. Are you kidding me? He was a pro gamer before he started SC2, I think he would understand strategy games enough to know that he should plan to transition after damage. Or maybe the coach he lives with would help him? Odds are he's ground out more games in these 2 months than most people have played on this site in 2 years. Could it just be possible that Taeja was the far better player tonight?
Duh, of course Taeja was the better player. This series just showed great potential for Hyun, that's all people were saying. Having played only 2-3 months compared to players with 2 years of experience is a huge difference.
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On February 07 2012 20:23 kappadevin wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2012 20:14 Jehct wrote:
One of those weird games where Hyun out-maneouvred his opponent (arguably outplayed) but didn't play strategically correctly. Can't do that style against MULE's and planetaries Hyun, you have to transition =( You can't outplay your opponent and lose. I really wish people would stop saying things like that. If he outplayed him, he would have won. It's really that simple.
he outplayed him during 15/17minutes...
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