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Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2381
On January 20 2012 06:02 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
What happened with SaSe? He was tearing some months ago. Now you don't hear a thing from him.


He's practicing hard after he came back from China. Saw him a while ago on Hero's stream, completely rolled Hero with really impressive play. I miss his stream though :<
Daray
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
6006 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2382
On January 20 2012 06:02 Fragile51 wrote:
..../faceplant.

The fuck kinda walloff was that?!


What was wrong with it? No zealot to block was the problem,
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2383
On January 20 2012 06:03 Mondieu wrote:
What did I miss? Just went to the W.C , fuck me

hahah banelings --> incomplete wall with 1 cannon --> speedlings -- > no fight just gg
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
Baituri
Profile Joined June 2010
Netherlands1501 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2384
So the only games Zenio can win are baneling busts? Nice pickup by Liquid...
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2385
On January 20 2012 06:03 Flonomenalz wrote:
lol.... weirdest baneling bust ever.


DISCLAIMER!

"No baneling died filming this tournament."
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2386
On January 20 2012 06:03 Zane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:02 Fragile51 wrote:
..../faceplant.

The fuck kinda walloff was that?!

Someone needs to show him the Nexus wall-off thread.


Hear hear!
Antithesis
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany1236 Posts
January 19 2012 21:03 GMT
#2387
On January 20 2012 05:56 Wombat_NI wrote:
Nightend is a really underrated player, really cool and composed in defence, and his positional play is good. Zenio though, wtf? Looking far worse than he can be.

Not to take anything away from Nightend, but when you're turtling on 3 close bases 90% of a match, it really isn't too hard to defend those 3 bases.

Zenio should have gone broodlord/infestor, nevertheless it's always awful to see 3 base turtle deathballs win games.
Mutation complete.
Rhedsa
Profile Joined July 2011
Costa Rica594 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#2388
funny that such "wall offs" still exists for pro gamers. but ez pz for Zenio!
cyclone25
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Romania3344 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#2389
yeah Zenio, gl with your all ins in a bo5 or bo7, if you somehow advance.
EMPaThy789
Profile Joined July 2009
New Zealand878 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#2390
nightend's wall was screwed anyways. zerglings and zealots could get through but stalkers couldnt so he would have to knock down the pylon if he wanted to get out.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#2391
On January 20 2012 06:03 Daray wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:02 Fragile51 wrote:
..../faceplant.

The fuck kinda walloff was that?!


What was wrong with it? No zealot to block was the problem,


That was what i was referring to :p A walloff with a hole in it kinda needs a unit to plug that hole.
Flonomenalz
Profile Joined May 2011
Nigeria3519 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#2392
On January 20 2012 06:02 tree.hugger wrote:
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On January 20 2012 06:00 TheHova wrote:
On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote:
Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T


Why would broodlords be torn apart? Broodlord Corruptor Infestor can only be countered with a mothership and archons really. And if you split your units you can still win.

You can't ever split your army, and Tal'Darim is so wide open in the midmap that protoss can pick a better spot to engage. You move out with the broodlords, and all your expansions die to harass and blink stalkers dance all around sniping your broodlords.

Thank you for having a brain.

So many times I see protoss players say "lol just split derp" and not realize that BLs cannot split. If I split, you just ignore me and go kill everything else. If I stay together, lol vortex.

TLDR - Don't transition to broods late game Tal darim against good Protoss.
I love crazymoving
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
January 19 2012 21:04 GMT
#2393
On January 20 2012 06:03 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:02 SkyTheUnknown wrote:
What happened with SaSe? He was tearing some months ago. Now you don't hear a thing from him.


Why are you talking about Sase in this thread?

Just were thinking about Top 6 European team with Kas, Thorzain, Stephano, Nerchio, Mana and SaSe
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
s3rp
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany3192 Posts
January 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#2394
On January 20 2012 06:00 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:59 Elem wrote:
On January 20 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 20 2012 05:56 s3rp wrote:
Zenio upgrades 3-0 Air Attack AND had a greater Spire ( and another Spire for Upgrades ) but decided to build Ultras against Protoss something i have never seen working in that MU.


It works, except you need Infestor support and a good surround with lings and banelings. Zenio never even bothered to do both.
If you have infestors and a good surround with lings/blings you don't really need the ultras ~_~


If you don't get the ultras then you always run the risk of getting FFed and heavily stormed. Ling/bling is also really bad against the colossus/archon combo Nightend was going for. The ultras serve as the damage tanks in that unit composition.


He had so many of them they no longer function as tanks and more or less had been the builk of his army.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
January 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#2395
rofl the game isn't on faster.
YMCApylons
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Taiwan359 Posts
January 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#2396
On January 20 2012 05:58 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:56 YMCApylons wrote:
what the hell was that zenio? Are you trying a settle a bet with your manager than you can beat foreigners without broodlords?

I'm actually pretty confused here, I kinda thought it was pretty clear that you can't really win with broodlords on Tal'Darim...


Sure, I'd agree with you generally, but given that Nightend didn't cross mid-field until 29 minutes or something ridiculous like that, and he had greater spire 10 minutes earlier, I'd say he had plenty of opportunity for broodlords.

Zenio had the map locked down with ling bling muta. When he started sacking supply, he should have started working towards ling-infestor-broodlord, with ling, infestor, and muta to delay Protoss if he started to move out.
You must construct additional pylons.
Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
January 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#2397
On January 20 2012 06:03 Antithesis wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:56 Wombat_NI wrote:
Nightend is a really underrated player, really cool and composed in defence, and his positional play is good. Zenio though, wtf? Looking far worse than he can be.

Not to take anything away from Nightend, but when you're turtling on 3 close bases 90% of a match, it really isn't too hard to defend those 3 bases.

I guess you've played many games as Protoss vs high level zerg players going 9 minute muta rush since you know how easy it is to defend?
Playgu
paintfive
Profile Joined September 2011
785 Posts
January 19 2012 21:05 GMT
#2398
Hoping NightEnd makes it through! lets go NightEnd
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
January 19 2012 21:06 GMT
#2399
On January 20 2012 06:05 Whalecore wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 06:03 Antithesis wrote:
On January 20 2012 05:56 Wombat_NI wrote:
Nightend is a really underrated player, really cool and composed in defence, and his positional play is good. Zenio though, wtf? Looking far worse than he can be.

Not to take anything away from Nightend, but when you're turtling on 3 close bases 90% of a match, it really isn't too hard to defend those 3 bases.

I guess you've played many games as Protoss vs high level zerg players going 9 minute muta rush since you know how easy it is to defend?


Especially on Tal'darim you pretty much need insane concentration and great multi-tasking to hold 3 bases against early mutas, it's no cakewalk.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
January 19 2012 21:06 GMT
#2400
MC is blamed cause he goes for 2 bases, Nigtend cause he goes for 3 bases. Any protoss bids more out there?
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
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