EPT[IEM] Kiev - Day 1 - Page 118
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CarlosOmse
Germany507 Posts
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TheNessman
United States4158 Posts
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tree.hugger
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:56 YMCApylons wrote: what the hell was that zenio? Are you trying a settle a bet with your manager than you can beat foreigners without broodlords? I'm actually pretty confused here, I kinda thought it was pretty clear that you can't really win with broodlords on Tal'Darim... | ||
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Huge O
Great Britain95 Posts
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:56 s3rp wrote: Zenio upgrades 3-0 Air Attack AND had a greater Spire ( and another Spire for Upgrades ) but decided to build Ultras against Protoss something i have never seen working in that MU. It works, except you need Infestor support and a good surround with lings and banelings. Zenio never even bothered to do both. On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote: Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T You can certainly win when you're forcing the Protoss to play as defensively as Nightend. | ||
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ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
thorzain and demuslim are pretty good tbh | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote: If you have infestors and a good surround with lings/blings you don't really need the ultras ~_~It works, except you need Infestor support and a good surround with lings and banelings. Zenio never even bothered to do both. | ||
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Conny Duck
Austria90 Posts
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote: Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T Why would broodlords be torn apart? Broodlord Corruptor Infestor can only be countered with a mothership and archons really. And if you split your units you can still win. | ||
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Sea_Food
Finland1612 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:56 Raambo11 wrote: Cant make units with no larva, his queens had a ton of energy so guessing he had none. Making broods with 0 injections takes 4,5 times more money, than producing lings with perfect injects. | ||
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figq
12519 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:56 Keone wrote: I think he thought protoss at this point had an unbeatable army (except with Broodlords, which he could run from endlessly, and eventually kill them with archon toilet), and that he could go base by base and just kill kill kill. Zerg actually won't be able to put new hatcheries and mine from them fast enough, compared to how fast protoss can go around and keep killing them..... At least that's my guess, looked strange for sure.Zenio... that was the single most embarrassing game I've ever seen. If you have map control, and an enormous bank, you GO SAURON ZERG. 1. Build expos 2. Contain enemy with spine crawlers and stationary defenses 3. Continue to stream units at enemy so that he loses supply steadily while you freely replenish What a horrible, horrible, horrible game from Zenio. JulyZerg needs to teach this kid a lesson on what to do with such an advantage. Completely threw away a won game. | ||
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KalWarkov
Germany4126 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:59 ThatGuy89 wrote: i dunno about Kas being the best thorzain and demuslim are pretty good tbh kas beats everyone in europe, no matter who, he like never loses. demuslim shows bad results lately to even name him in that list (im a huge demu fanboy) and thorzain is rly good, too, but i think kas is slightly better and more solid atm | ||
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CosmicSpiral
United States15275 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:59 Elem wrote: If you have infestors and a good surround with lings/blings you don't really need the ultras ~_~ If you don't get the ultras then you always run the risk of getting FFed and heavily stormed. Ling/bling is also really bad against the colossus/archon combo Nightend was going for. The ultras serve as the damage tanks in that unit composition. | ||
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TheHova
United Kingdom2612 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:58 tree.hugger wrote: I'm actually pretty confused here, I kinda thought it was pretty clear that you can't really win with broodlords on Tal'Darim... Darkforce did it against Nightend just a week ago... From a massive deficit. | ||
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/leagues/2276_2011_TTesports_XMAS_Cup_Grand_Final Edit: Final was 3:2 in Kas's favor. Polt hadn't lost a game until the finals. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote: Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T If Zenio bet on him not attacking, he could have gone BL. Metagaeming! | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On January 20 2012 06:00 KalWarkov wrote: Yeah, but he still has his ridic offline curse. I suppose it's negated by basically being at home. We'll see on day 3. kas beats everyone in europe, no matter who, he like never loses. demuslim shows bad results lately to even name him in that list (im a huge demu fanboy) and thorzain is rly good, too, but i think kas is slightly better and more solid atm  | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Megabuster123
Canada1837 Posts
On January 20 2012 06:00 TheHova wrote: Why would broodlords be torn apart? Broodlord Corruptor Infestor can only be countered with a mothership and archons really. And if you split your units you can still win. Becuase it's so unbelievably immobile. It's like late-game TvZ when the zerg gets dropped to death on lategame tal darim. It's just too hard to be everywhere with that unit composition. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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