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CarlosOmse
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany507 Posts
January 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#2341
gogo nightend Goblintoss ! aka Dracula on Helium
a book is like a mirror if a monkey looks into it no philosopher will look back
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
January 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#2342
KAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
January 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#2343
On January 20 2012 05:56 YMCApylons wrote:
what the hell was that zenio? Are you trying a settle a bet with your manager than you can beat foreigners without broodlords?

I'm actually pretty confused here, I kinda thought it was pretty clear that you can't really win with broodlords on Tal'Darim...
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Huge O
Profile Joined April 2011
Great Britain95 Posts
January 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#2344
Kas is the best terran foreigner easy, just needs a big team to pick him up, or the new MLG system....
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 20:59:59
January 19 2012 20:58 GMT
#2345
On January 20 2012 05:56 s3rp wrote:
Zenio upgrades 3-0 Air Attack AND had a greater Spire ( and another Spire for Upgrades ) but decided to build Ultras against Protoss something i have never seen working in that MU.


It works, except you need Infestor support and a good surround with lings and banelings. Zenio never even bothered to do both.

On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote:
Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T


You can certainly win when you're forcing the Protoss to play as defensively as Nightend.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
January 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#2346
i dunno about Kas being the best
thorzain and demuslim are pretty good tbh
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#2347
On January 20 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:56 s3rp wrote:
Zenio upgrades 3-0 Air Attack AND had a greater Spire ( and another Spire for Upgrades ) but decided to build Ultras against Protoss something i have never seen working in that MU.


It works, except you need Infestor support and a good surround with lings and banelings. Zenio never even bothered to do both.
If you have infestors and a good surround with lings/blings you don't really need the ultras ~_~
#freeshauni
Conny Duck
Profile Joined June 2011
Austria90 Posts
January 19 2012 20:59 GMT
#2348
Ultras are good, when you add banelings and infestors. But if you go Ultralisks alone, this happens.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
January 19 2012 21:00 GMT
#2349
On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote:
Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T


Why would broodlords be torn apart? Broodlord Corruptor Infestor can only be countered with a mothership and archons really. And if you split your units you can still win.
Sea_Food
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Finland1612 Posts
January 19 2012 21:00 GMT
#2350
On January 20 2012 05:56 Raambo11 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:54 Ahelvin wrote:
oO...

Why GG?

He had a huge, huge bank... And... I don't even... No broodlords?


Cant make units with no larva, his queens had a ton of energy so guessing he had none.


Making broods with 0 injections takes 4,5 times more money, than producing lings with perfect injects.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
January 19 2012 21:00 GMT
#2351
On January 20 2012 05:56 Keone wrote:
Zenio... that was the single most embarrassing game I've ever seen. If you have map control, and an enormous bank, you GO SAURON ZERG.

1. Build expos
2. Contain enemy with spine crawlers and stationary defenses
3. Continue to stream units at enemy so that he loses supply steadily while you freely replenish

What a horrible, horrible, horrible game from Zenio. JulyZerg needs to teach this kid a lesson on what to do with such an advantage. Completely threw away a won game.
I think he thought protoss at this point had an unbeatable army (except with Broodlords, which he could run from endlessly, and eventually kill them with archon toilet), and that he could go base by base and just kill kill kill. Zerg actually won't be able to put new hatcheries and mine from them fast enough, compared to how fast protoss can go around and keep killing them..... At least that's my guess, looked strange for sure.
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
KalWarkov
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany4126 Posts
January 19 2012 21:00 GMT
#2352
On January 20 2012 05:59 ThatGuy89 wrote:
i dunno about Kas being the best
thorzain and demuslim are pretty good tbh


kas beats everyone in europe, no matter who, he like never loses. demuslim shows bad results lately to even name him in that list (im a huge demu fanboy) and thorzain is rly good, too, but i think kas is slightly better and more solid atm
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CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:01:46
January 19 2012 21:00 GMT
#2353
On January 20 2012 05:59 Elem wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On January 20 2012 05:56 s3rp wrote:
Zenio upgrades 3-0 Air Attack AND had a greater Spire ( and another Spire for Upgrades ) but decided to build Ultras against Protoss something i have never seen working in that MU.


It works, except you need Infestor support and a good surround with lings and banelings. Zenio never even bothered to do both.
If you have infestors and a good surround with lings/blings you don't really need the ultras ~_~


If you don't get the ultras then you always run the risk of getting FFed and heavily stormed. Ling/bling is also really bad against the colossus/archon combo Nightend was going for. The ultras serve as the damage tanks in that unit composition.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
January 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#2354
On January 20 2012 05:58 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:56 YMCApylons wrote:
what the hell was that zenio? Are you trying a settle a bet with your manager than you can beat foreigners without broodlords?

I'm actually pretty confused here, I kinda thought it was pretty clear that you can't really win with broodlords on Tal'Darim...


Darkforce did it against Nightend just a week ago... From a massive deficit.
McFeser
Profile Joined July 2011
United States2458 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-19 21:04:24
January 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#2355
Yeah . . . Thanks Mr Bitter. I looked up Kas's liquipedia and found out he defeated Polt.
http://www.teamliquid.net/tlpd/sc2-international/leagues/2276_2011_TTesports_XMAS_Cup_Grand_Final
Edit: Final was 3:2 in Kas's favor. Polt hadn't lost a game until the finals.
Promethelax still hasn't changed his quote
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
January 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#2356
On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote:
Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T


If Zenio bet on him not attacking, he could have gone BL.
Metagaeming!
A backwards poet writes inverse.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 19 2012 21:01 GMT
#2357
On January 20 2012 06:00 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:59 ThatGuy89 wrote:
i dunno about Kas being the best
thorzain and demuslim are pretty good tbh


kas beats everyone in europe, no matter who, he like never loses. demuslim shows bad results lately to even name him in that list (im a huge demu fanboy) and thorzain is rly good, too, but i think kas is slightly better and more solid atm
Yeah, but he still has his ridic offline curse. I suppose it's negated by basically being at home. We'll see on day 3.
#freeshauni
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
January 19 2012 21:02 GMT
#2358
7 min 3 base baneling bust, wait wut?
Megabuster123
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada1837 Posts
January 19 2012 21:02 GMT
#2359
On January 20 2012 06:00 TheHova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 20 2012 05:56 tree.hugger wrote:
Tal'Darim late game is so difficult for zerg, you want to go broodlords, but you know you'll get torn apart, so you're forced into dumb units like ultralisks. NightEnD did well to just never attack, because he knew Zenio had no hive tech options on the first set map... T_T


Why would broodlords be torn apart? Broodlord Corruptor Infestor can only be countered with a mothership and archons really. And if you split your units you can still win.

Becuase it's so unbelievably immobile. It's like late-game TvZ when the zerg gets dropped to death on lategame tal darim. It's just too hard to be everywhere with that unit composition.
Leviance
Profile Joined November 2009
Germany4079 Posts
January 19 2012 21:02 GMT
#2360
Damn Nightend wtf
"Blizzard is never gonna nerf Terran because of those American and European fuck" - Korean Netizen
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