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On January 18 2012 04:41 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 03:38 soulist wrote:On January 18 2012 00:28 NotSorry wrote:
Poor little EgJYPt has fallen to the curse. EG buying top tier pros and making them one step lower since 1999. Yea i can see that being true if eg didnt have the most tournament winss out of all the sc2 teams, or their cs team wasn't the best in north america, or their fighting game line up is arguably the best there is, or their wow team isnt top 2 in north america. The tournaments that Puma and HuK won are credited to the teams they were at the time they won them, not to the teams they currently are in. And anyway you should be looking at the tournaments they won instead of the numbers of tournaments they won.
ok.
Huk won MLG with lots of good Koreans and got to GSL ro8.
Puma won NASL S2, IEM "Germany", 2nd in Dreamhack.
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Jesus christ! Look at the people in the next round right now. The way these guys are playing(all of them pretty much) any of them could win...jesus...
Terran - MVP, MMA, Jjakjji, GanZi, SuperNoVa, GuMiHo
Zerg - NesTea, DongRaeGu, Curious
Protoss - MC, Genius, Oz
And we are still going to get 4 of these players - aLive, Brown, Happy, MarineKing, Puzzle, PartinG, Keen, NaDa
Seriously. Holy shit.
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On January 18 2012 04:53 Sroobz wrote:
Jesus christ! Look at the people in the next round right now. The way these guys are playing(all of them pretty much) any of them could win...jesus...
Terran - MVP, MMA, Jjakjji, GanZi, SuperNoVa, GuMiHo
Zerg - NesTea, DongRaeGu, Curious
Protoss - MC, Genius, Oz
And we are still going to get 4 of these players - aLive, Brown, Happy, MarineKing, Puzzle, PartinG, Keen, NaDa
Seriously. Holy shit.
Let's hope not 4 terrans make it out of the 2 last groups. Else it'd be a very sad story.
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On January 18 2012 04:41 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 03:38 soulist wrote:On January 18 2012 00:28 NotSorry wrote:
Poor little EgJYPt has fallen to the curse. EG buying top tier pros and making them one step lower since 1999. Yea i can see that being true if eg didnt have the most tournament winss out of all the sc2 teams, or their cs team wasn't the best in north america, or their fighting game line up is arguably the best there is, or their wow team isnt top 2 in north america. The tournaments that Puma and HuK won are credited to the teams they were at the time they won them, not to the teams they currently are in. And anyway you should be looking at the tournaments they won instead of the numbers of tournaments they won.
Thank you captain obvious. The only other team that is close to EG in terms of championships is TL who won dreamhack summer which had 4(bomber, mc, july, moon) koreans at while huk won a stacked mlg orlando. EG had the best accomplishments in 2011. The EG hage generated by the foreign community is staarting to get absurd where its starting to cloud the obvious.
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On January 18 2012 04:58 Yaki wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 04:53 Sroobz wrote:
Jesus christ! Look at the people in the next round right now. The way these guys are playing(all of them pretty much) any of them could win...jesus...
Terran - MVP, MMA, Jjakjji, GanZi, SuperNoVa, GuMiHo
Zerg - NesTea, DongRaeGu, Curious
Protoss - MC, Genius, Oz
And we are still going to get 4 of these players - aLive, Brown, Happy, MarineKing, Puzzle, PartinG, Keen, NaDa
Seriously. Holy shit. Let's hope not 4 terrans make it out of the 2 last groups. Else it'd be a very sad story.
Well for group one, Brown is on SlayerS so he has a chance. And Puzzle and PartinG are really fucking good, but so are NaDa and Keen. Who knows :S
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On January 18 2012 04:58 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 04:41 Yaki wrote:On January 18 2012 03:38 soulist wrote:On January 18 2012 00:28 NotSorry wrote:
Poor little EgJYPt has fallen to the curse. EG buying top tier pros and making them one step lower since 1999. Yea i can see that being true if eg didnt have the most tournament winss out of all the sc2 teams, or their cs team wasn't the best in north america, or their fighting game line up is arguably the best there is, or their wow team isnt top 2 in north america. The tournaments that Puma and HuK won are credited to the teams they were at the time they won them, not to the teams they currently are in. And anyway you should be looking at the tournaments they won instead of the numbers of tournaments they won. Thank you captain obvious. The only other team that is close to EG in terms of championships is TL who won dreamhack summer which had 4(bomber, mc, july, moon) koreans at while huk won a stacked mlg orlando. EG had the best accomplishments in 2011. The EG hage generated by the foreign community is staarting to get absurd where its starting to cloud the obvious.
eg hate is a very small minority, if you actually think the majority of foreign community hates EG you'd be wrong. they market their players for the foreign community. they have the most popular foreigner on their team.
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On January 18 2012 04:58 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 04:41 Yaki wrote:On January 18 2012 03:38 soulist wrote:On January 18 2012 00:28 NotSorry wrote:
Poor little EgJYPt has fallen to the curse. EG buying top tier pros and making them one step lower since 1999. Yea i can see that being true if eg didnt have the most tournament winss out of all the sc2 teams, or their cs team wasn't the best in north america, or their fighting game line up is arguably the best there is, or their wow team isnt top 2 in north america. The tournaments that Puma and HuK won are credited to the teams they were at the time they won them, not to the teams they currently are in. And anyway you should be looking at the tournaments they won instead of the numbers of tournaments they won. Thank you captain obvious. The only other team that is close to EG in terms of championships is TL who won dreamhack summer which had 4(bomber, mc, july, moon) koreans at while huk won a stacked mlg orlando. EG had the best accomplishments in 2011. The EG hage generated by the foreign community is staarting to get absurd where its starting to cloud the obvious.
Where do you see that I'm shitting on EG ? I'm not an EG fanboy nor hater it could have been any other team I would have said the same thing. Damn stop seeing the evil everywhere.
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I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games.
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Damn after todays matches MVP might be my new favorite team... Genius and DRG TROLL FACE
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On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games.
By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport.
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On January 18 2012 05:55 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games. By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport.
They only buy players who are pretty much guaranteed to be successful and have proven themselves. Those players came from another team who took the opposite risk. EG does not produce good players but with their resources they don't need to do anything else. Unfortunately everyone cannot be EG.
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On January 18 2012 05:03 GreyKnight wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 04:58 soulist wrote:On January 18 2012 04:41 Yaki wrote:On January 18 2012 03:38 soulist wrote:On January 18 2012 00:28 NotSorry wrote:
Poor little EgJYPt has fallen to the curse. EG buying top tier pros and making them one step lower since 1999. Yea i can see that being true if eg didnt have the most tournament winss out of all the sc2 teams, or their cs team wasn't the best in north america, or their fighting game line up is arguably the best there is, or their wow team isnt top 2 in north america. The tournaments that Puma and HuK won are credited to the teams they were at the time they won them, not to the teams they currently are in. And anyway you should be looking at the tournaments they won instead of the numbers of tournaments they won. Thank you captain obvious. The only other team that is close to EG in terms of championships is TL who won dreamhack summer which had 4(bomber, mc, july, moon) koreans at while huk won a stacked mlg orlando. EG had the best accomplishments in 2011. The EG hage generated by the foreign community is staarting to get absurd where its starting to cloud the obvious. eg hate is a very small minority, if you actually think the majority of foreign community hates EG you'd be wrong. they market their players for the foreign community. they have the most popular foreigner on their team.
Thats the exact reason that don't like EG
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On January 18 2012 05:55 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games. By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport.
Getting talent can be done through training and investing in a player or just buying into already successful players. There's a significant portion of people in general who see the managers who can develop those no-name talent as someone to look up to; and honestly it does take skill on the part of the coaches and managers to develop good players. There's also just buying talent, which people don't really see much skill in because you just got a lot of money to throw around.
I don't see throwing money around as bad, I just think it's a lot easier to do than training players to be top-class.
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On January 18 2012 05:55 Uncultured wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games. By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport.
Buying does bring hate though. Just look at the Miami Heat. Everyone wanted them to lose last year
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On January 18 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:55 Uncultured wrote:On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games. By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport. They only buy players who are pretty much guaranteed to be successful and have proven themselves.
Well of course. That's how any sport works. You don't see coaches in the NFL drafting players who can't catch a ball, or UFC fights with people who aren't top of the line brawlers.
Once they do buy their players, I'm pretty sure there is good evidence that the players within EG get better over time, unless they already came from a different team that was just as skilled (like Huk).
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On January 18 2012 06:16 Psilo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 05:55 Uncultured wrote:On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games. By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport. They only buy players who are pretty much guaranteed to be successful and have proven themselves. Well of course. That's how any sport works. You don't see coaches in the NFL drafting players who can't catch a ball, or UFC fights with people who aren't top of the line brawlers. Once they do buy their players, I'm pretty sure there is good evidence that the players within EG get better over time, unless they already came from a different team that was just as skilled (like Huk).
We're not discussing competence versus incompetence, but success versus potential success. Unfortunately there is no self-contained "lower league" for the SC2 scene where players can show off their stuff prior to getting into the professional scene.
Really? I see very little evidence for that for any of their players.
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On January 18 2012 04:53 Sroobz wrote:
Jesus christ! Look at the people in the next round right now. The way these guys are playing(all of them pretty much) any of them could win...jesus...
Terran - MVP, MMA, Jjakjji, GanZi, SuperNoVa, GuMiHo
Zerg - NesTea, DongRaeGu, Curious
Protoss - MC, Genius, Oz
And we are still going to get 4 of these players - aLive, Brown, Happy, MarineKing, Puzzle, PartinG, Keen, NaDa
Seriously. Holy shit.
Hoping for Brown and Parting to make it out! THey are new talent players!
Anyhow, I totally expected Genius to made it easily and he did. His game 1 vs sC was very technical and very high level. And then the next game was funny as hell cuz Artosis just didn't stop laughing and all the bm lol.
DRG is a beast in ZvT, idk how did he win the last game, sC mightnot be in a good condition i guess.
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On January 18 2012 06:16 Psilo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 05:58 CosmicSpiral wrote:On January 18 2012 05:55 Uncultured wrote:On January 18 2012 05:04 CosmicSpiral wrote:
I do hate EG (their way of getting talent is cheap and a bad example to the community) but I'm cool with their players. I wanted Machine to succeed for a very long time, and Puma always delivers top-level games. By cheap and a bad example you mean the standard in e-sports? Buying players is completely normal for almost any sport. They only buy players who are pretty much guaranteed to be successful and have proven themselves. Well of course. That's how any sport works. You don't see coaches in the NFL drafting players who can't catch a ball, or UFC fights with people who aren't top of the line brawlers. Once they do buy their players, I'm pretty sure there is good evidence that the players within EG get better over time, unless they already came from a different team that was just as skilled (like Huk).
Well most sports teams buy select players to augment their existing home grown talent.
I don't feel any foreign teams have created their own talents though except Liquid with Huk, Outside of that teams mostly just fly players places and don't really do much for their practice, or players are just ex BW/Wc3 pro's.
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Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On January 17 2012 21:52 parazice wrote:
gratz to Seeker today you get more than 100 pages
MUAHAHAHA!!! I know right? XD
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Genius made Protoss look OP vs Terran with all those cannons everywhere and HT's.
Impressive i wouldn't be surprised if he wins Code S this season.
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