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On January 10 2012 19:54 MorroW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:51 AndAgain wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 MorroW wrote:On January 10 2012 19:36 Thugtronik wrote:On January 10 2012 19:34 bittman wrote:
BO loss =( i don't know if i'd call this a build order loss. supernova with the brilliant mindgames this game. its still silly because theres too many early games in tvp that end with "brilliant mindgames". its just the result of smart players who understand starcraft 2 alot in an early game with buildorders that reward risky play too much in tvz and zvt you can do stuff that kinda gets you ahead abit (if its succesful) but theres not alot of stuff you can do to actually just end it Scouting in PvT sucks (for protoss.) That really all there's to it. its really hard for terran too. its not like you scout a toss not going robo and then decides to do cloak banshee its just stupid blind play from both guys trying to scout and get the best odds of what someone is doing. but at times it happens that toss thinks its 1rax expand and its actually cloak banshee or 111 lol and a terran who actually did a 1rax here and toss goes fast nexus and plays with really late robo, even dual forge before robo then terran is pretty fucked in general a game cant be coinflip for only 1 side
Cloak banshee against an observer build doesn't put terran that much behind, relatively speaking. Banshees are faster than observers and should kill a few probes anyway. Also, it gives you tech that's gonna be very useful against colossi.
The imbalance in PvT is the relative risk that's involved for both sides. Terran has more safer options.
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On January 10 2012 19:58 Sareth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:57 Tribuno wrote:
just turned one.. very strange forgg lost 2-0.. i had very high expectation on him! How did he play vs leenock? Game 1 was the best game since long, looong times. Game 2 was good, but not to compare with game 1
hahaha Blizzcon Game 7 was only a month ago ;D
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On January 10 2012 19:58 Dante08 wrote:
Man fail by Leenock. As Artosis said Jaedong would have seen that 10 times out of 10
Give Leenock 6 more years =P
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On January 10 2012 19:53 Valikyr wrote:
The problem is that protoss players has to play poker in PvT until we get observers, then we can start playing starcraft if we're not allready dead.
playing starcraft = viewing all enemy stuff ? ( like maphack and obs ? ). So only toss plays starcraft ^^.
In fact in TvP early-scouting is more easy for toss, because stalkers taking map control and poking around, while T can't get out without maraudeurs / stim / all-ining.
And yeah i know scan.... scan just scout nothing if the opponent not too stupid...
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is there any way to watch without having to install anything? @ school right now, so cant install..
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On January 10 2012 19:55 Koshi wrote:
can we get some sort of LRing? I don't need the imba Drazerk/Seeker/Megan LRing but something different than "OMAGAD CLOAAKED BANSHEEES OP" would be nice.
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=302045
you can try these, though they're updated post-game
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On January 10 2012 19:59 Tzuborg wrote:
is there any way to watch without having to install anything? @ school right now, so cant install..
no
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Leenock is so freaking good
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On January 10 2012 19:58 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:54 MorroW wrote:On January 10 2012 19:51 AndAgain wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 MorroW wrote:On January 10 2012 19:36 Thugtronik wrote:On January 10 2012 19:34 bittman wrote:
BO loss =( i don't know if i'd call this a build order loss. supernova with the brilliant mindgames this game. its still silly because theres too many early games in tvp that end with "brilliant mindgames". its just the result of smart players who understand starcraft 2 alot in an early game with buildorders that reward risky play too much in tvz and zvt you can do stuff that kinda gets you ahead abit (if its succesful) but theres not alot of stuff you can do to actually just end it Scouting in PvT sucks (for protoss.) That really all there's to it. its really hard for terran too. its not like you scout a toss not going robo and then decides to do cloak banshee its just stupid blind play from both guys trying to scout and get the best odds of what someone is doing. but at times it happens that toss thinks its 1rax expand and its actually cloak banshee or 111 lol and a terran who actually did a 1rax here and toss goes fast nexus and plays with really late robo, even dual forge before robo then terran is pretty fucked in general a game cant be coinflip for only 1 side Cloak banshee against an observer build doesn't put terran that much behind, relatively speaking. Banshees are faster than observers and should kill a few probes anyway. Also, it gives you tech that's gonna be very useful against colossi. The imbalance in PvT is the relative risk that's involved for both sides. Terran has more safer options.
nono cloak banshee your so fucked if they 1gate expo =>3gate robo and stops it nicely.
if this wasnt the case we would see cloak banshees alot more often
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On January 10 2012 19:58 Sareth wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:57 Tribuno wrote:
just turned one.. very strange forgg lost 2-0.. i had very high expectation on him! How did he play vs leenock? Game 1 was the best game since long, looong times. Game 2 was good, but not to compare with game 1; he lost quite easy
i see.. i will see the vod of G! so.. thanks!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
Sighhh..... Dat creep spread....
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On January 10 2012 19:55 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:50 CortoMontez wrote:On January 10 2012 19:46 soulist wrote:On January 10 2012 19:40 CortoMontez wrote:On January 10 2012 19:38 Nocteo wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 CortoMontez wrote:
How exactly can you know what a terran is doing... they are unscoutable! I heard observers do quite a good job scouting. So blind robo every game? There is a reason that so many people have thought that observers should be build from the cyber instead of robo. I dont get what the big deal is. In bw protoss had to build an observetory first before building a obsever from robotics. And in pvt in bw protoss couldnt move from its base until it had an observer to clear out spider mines. Not being able to move from your base is very different to losing the game. Also, there is a THIRD possibility from scouting the bunker at the ramp top, which is a 3-4 rax marine all in. This blindly beats any robo build. The whine of sc2 players is really annoying. Don't you understand that if you want to take the risk you can either be rewarded or punished. Sc2 players want every build to be able to withstand any build. It will never work like that. There is a risk/reward system that works with builds and smarter better players will be able to win with this system which is how the game is supposed to be played.
The entitlement of bw players is really annoying. Don't you understand that if you want to enjoy a game you can either allow players to be rewarded or punished based on information rather than sheer chance.
/sarcasm off
Blind BOs are just bad, and no amount of quality mind-gaming and smartness can make up for this flaw; is it so hard for us to admit that our game is not perfect and that Blizzard designers are not heaven-descended beings bringing upon us bliss and perfection?
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Dayum Leenock is so fine~
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Leenock such a beaaast.
Just needs to fix dat creep spread.
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Man Leenock, why are you so good?
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On January 10 2012 19:55 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On January 10 2012 19:50 CortoMontez wrote:On January 10 2012 19:46 soulist wrote:On January 10 2012 19:40 CortoMontez wrote:On January 10 2012 19:38 Nocteo wrote:On January 10 2012 19:37 CortoMontez wrote:
How exactly can you know what a terran is doing... they are unscoutable! I heard observers do quite a good job scouting. So blind robo every game? There is a reason that so many people have thought that observers should be build from the cyber instead of robo. I dont get what the big deal is. In bw protoss had to build an observetory first before building a obsever from robotics. And in pvt in bw protoss couldnt move from its base until it had an observer to clear out spider mines. Not being able to move from your base is very different to losing the game. Also, there is a THIRD possibility from scouting the bunker at the ramp top, which is a 3-4 rax marine all in. This blindly beats any robo build. The whine of sc2 players is really annoying. Don't you understand that if you want to take the risk you can either be rewarded or punished. Sc2 players want every build to be able to withstand any build. It will never work like that. There is a risk/reward system that works with builds and smarter better players will be able to win with this system which is how the game is supposed to be played.
To an extent the risk/reward aspect should be alive, but there are two extremes of risk/reward; one of which is a coin-flip, the other being a game of chess. With the current scouting options, the risk/reward system is currently far too close to the coin-flip end in PvT, whereas ZvT and ZvP have a much better risk/reward balance.
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Supernova's got 99 problems and Leenock is every single one of them.
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wow Leenock came back from that early disadvantage.
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Sexy play by Leenock to finish.
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EPT
