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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 16 2012 14:10 GMT
#3381
It's a fairly pointless argument one way or the other. The tournament exists because I fund and organise it, so that also means I cast it. I certainly can't afford Tastosis as a casting duo, it would draw a ton of viewers away from our stream and mean we made much less ad revenue to fund future tournaments and let's be honest, they're not going to commentate some online tournament like that anyway. Outside of actual pro-players and Artosis, Apollo has the best analysis in the industry.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
ItchyLegs
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada369 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 14:17:32
January 16 2012 14:17 GMT
#3382
PraefektMotus
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany129 Posts
January 16 2012 16:05 GMT
#3383
An overly strong emphasis on analysis also wouldn't fit this tournament. SCi is by and around TotalBiscuit since he's funding the whole damn thing. TB's viewership enjoys the strong play-by-play as shown by his stream that has nearly zero educational value but stills pulls thousands of people. He's also drawing in people from his main stream on Youtube who normally don't watch or play SC2 at all, and those aren't particularly interested in analysis either. This is a show in the true sense of the word, and Apollo fits in nicely. No Artosis or pro players required here.
Larsin
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands162 Posts
January 16 2012 16:17 GMT
#3384
People are actually arguing that TB shouldn't cast this tournament?
I agree he missed a few things, but i don't think it is so bad that it ruins the cast.
Keep it up TB ! i love the tournaments, and so did 40k other people
nepeta
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
1872 Posts
January 16 2012 16:22 GMT
#3385
Hey TotalBiscuit & d.Apollo,

Watched the tournament yesterday and it was quite enjoyable. Keep up the good work!

yt,

a fan
Broodwar AI :) http://sscaitournament.com http://www.starcraftai.com/wiki/Main_Page
Faerie
Profile Joined November 2006
39 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 16:31:21
January 16 2012 16:27 GMT
#3386
Awesome job TB and dApollo. I really enjoyed the tournament and appriciate the hard work that went into making it happen.

Personally I enjoy the fact that there are different caster combos/archetypes/personalities out there. I enjoy tastosis aswell but think it would be kinda boring if they casted everything (or every other caster tried to emulate their style), no matter how good they are. Varity ftw!

The only negative thing I could comment on was the quality of the twitch stream (which was....twitchy) but I think that was out of the organizers hands, especially considering the amout of viewers.
coolzombie
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden25 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 16:31:55
January 16 2012 16:30 GMT
#3387
Okay I am going to be fucking honest here.

First time I heard TB cast I thought he was a loser talking shit not knowing anything about the game. Later on as I thought about it with a more mature thought process and checked out his other work I realized this guy actually is a fucking internet hero.
If you think about it TB never fucking claimed to be the best analytical caster or anything like it as far as I can recall. And he has had some rough time with the SC-Community treating him as shit, for instance the beef with IdrA and stuff. I was one of the pitchforkers after TB.

It's time for people to fucking realize that TB does this for US. It doesn't matter who fucking casts it and if he misses drops you dipshits, without him you wouldn't see any of this fucking shit. You guys fucking disgust me, go DIAF.


TB you fucking rock, keep doing your shit and keep being a great fucking man and contributing to the community, I for one fucking respect you for enduring the fucking bullying and that you keep supporting even though people are assholes.




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Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 16 2012 17:30 GMT
#3388
On January 16 2012 23:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
It's a fairly pointless argument one way or the other. The tournament exists because I fund and organise it, so that also means I cast it. I certainly can't afford Tastosis as a casting duo, it would draw a ton of viewers away from our stream and mean we made much less ad revenue to fund future tournaments and let's be honest, they're not going to commentate some online tournament like that anyway. Outside of actual pro-players and Artosis, Apollo has the best analysis in the industry.


Keep doing what you do man, 40k+ people should say enough no ? Can't make every one happy, but you sure made alot of em happy, including the players. Huge respect, for i got what i expected play by play with TB and analysis with Apollo ... like always when these guys duo cast.
Also great games just freaking great games. I do so love skill/potential before popularity and it showed.
V1ctor
Profile Joined March 2011
Moldova1645 Posts
January 16 2012 19:15 GMT
#3389
Missed the whole tournament.. Are there any VODS up?
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
January 16 2012 19:19 GMT
#3390
On January 17 2012 04:15 V1ctor wrote:
Missed the whole tournament.. Are there any VODS up?

Yes.
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-y0shi-
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany994 Posts
January 16 2012 19:41 GMT
#3391
Haters gonna hate, the tournament was awesome <3

I kinda agree that maybe letting apollo do the observing would be a good idea and I also noticed some comments that were pretty off, but I still had a blast. But then again Im sure Id listen to TB reading the telephone book and enjoy it. Youre awesome and give this community so much =) Im sure your "casting skills" will improve / are improving as well.

Keep fighting, thank you <3
d9mmdi
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 21:57:57
January 16 2012 21:57 GMT
#3392
the difference between someone like Apollo and Artosis as far as im concerned is simply that Artosis could make you believe he knows sc2 strategy inside out even he didnt. A bit of american attitude/good presentation skills going on.
Maybe he should join TB for a bit of voice acting training =D
Great tournament, will be a must watch for me in the future =] for a 12 hour cast however bringing on other casters with TB/Apollo of course being the main team maybe not the worst idea?
Of course its entirely TBs project and he has proven he goes a long way to improve it and will continue to do so and if he wants to cast it who can blame him. There will always be some who like a different caster better or a different format or overlay or whatever, which is ok cause it keeps organizers on their toes. If you dont watch however cause you think Apollos analysis is not good enough? so be it.
You gotta step over dead bodies - Momma Plott
RHoudini
Profile Joined October 2009
Belgium3627 Posts
January 16 2012 22:02 GMT
#3393
On January 16 2012 23:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
It's a fairly pointless argument one way or the other. The tournament exists because I fund and organise it, so that also means I cast it. I certainly can't afford Tastosis as a casting duo, it would draw a ton of viewers away from our stream and mean we made much less ad revenue to fund future tournaments and let's be honest, they're not going to commentate some online tournament like that anyway. Outside of actual pro-players and Artosis, Apollo has the best analysis in the industry.

Nononononono, we don't want Tastosis for this tournament.
You and Apollo are doing an excellent job - the number of viewers says it all.
Looking forward to the next edition!!
Lee Jae Dong fighting!
ballasdontcry
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada595 Posts
January 16 2012 22:16 GMT
#3394
On January 16 2012 23:09 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 11:53 ballasdontcry wrote:
it's not unheard of for residents to do 70-80 hours a week while being paid peanuts. you won't have time to game on the side, let alone keep up a high enough level of gaming, when you're being worked like a dog through your residency.


in Canada Medical residents are paid far more than "peanuts". but its also a lot lower than the 150K+ that even the lowest paid MDs make upon graduation

there are probably less than 100 SC2 players that make more money than a Canadian Medical School Resident.
and this is guaranteed money...
1 case of carpal tunnel syndrome or a "bad month" and an SC2 pro players salary plummets.

wrist and RSI injuries are common.

i don't know how much residents are paid in other countries but its probably pretty similar.

an anaesthesiologist can make 500K in Canada how many SC2 pros made that?

this year's graduating class of U of Toronto medical school will make more money hands down than the 100 best SC2 pros over the next 5 years.

and you get a certain kind of job satisfaction that you just can't get interacting with polygons 10 hours per day 6 days per week.

if you'd read the post i quoted, i wasn't saying that as an argument against stephano going to med school. i was saying that if stephano was to go to med school, he won't be able to keep up a high level of gaming.

capiche?
betaman
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom355 Posts
January 16 2012 23:02 GMT
#3395
On January 16 2012 10:52 Jimmeh wrote:
Go and watch Thorzain vs Ret (I think it was Ret anyway, definitely a Zerg) on Daybreak. You miss several engagements, drops, etc. (if it's the game I'm thinking of anyway) whilst you watch this big battle in the middle when, really, that's not the main focus.

Another game, I think anyway, which I can't remember who played so I apologise, I noticed 2 hatches being sniped by drops whilst you focused on a hatchery being built.

I really don't want to be harsh. It's really nice that you've been practising and, honestly, it shows. You've certainly improved a lot. It honestly only seems to happen when there's one big engagement going on whilst a lot of tiny things (drops, etc.) happen at the same time. Also, the worst observing moments seemed to happen towards the end of the first day so, to be fair, you were probably just tired and overworked.

I can understand that casting and observing at the same time can be hard (to say the least) but if you can't observe competently whilst casting then you shouldn't be observing, especially when you have someone with you who will probably be better.

I honestly don't mean anything rude by this. You're an entertaining caster, even if you do have your faults, and you obviously put your heart and soul into your work. And I personally really appreciate it. You're very dedicated and it's nice to see someone put so much effort into something (let alone the amount of money you personally contributed towards the prize pool). I just think you should stick to what you're good at (casting) and let someone else do the observing if you're not as good as them.

EDIT: Second game I was thinking of is Thorzain vs Stephano on Daybreak, I believe, from Day 1.

EDIT2: Thorzain vs Stephano on Antiga from Day 1, sorry.


So he is supposed to divert attention away from a big engagement, potentially game ending engagement, to focus on a drop that might be easily cleaned up?

It would be nice if there were say 2 observers and the 2nd one could pull up a picture in picture (PiP) when a drop is happening during a big battle or 2 drops are happening at the same time so we dont have to miss them but i imagine this would be very difficult to implement and co-ordinate on the fly so both observers arent looking at the same thing. I think I remember TB added some PiP post production in a couple of games he cast and it was really cool.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
January 16 2012 23:08 GMT
#3396
Forgot to thank your guys for the AWESOME tourney! Too bad Stephano seems to be ThorZaiN's Kryptonite ^^.

Thanks for the great casting guys, and thanks for everything your doing to the community TB and Apollo :D
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 23:10:52
January 16 2012 23:10 GMT
#3397
On January 17 2012 07:02 RHoudini wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2012 23:10 TotalBiscuit wrote:
It's a fairly pointless argument one way or the other. The tournament exists because I fund and organise it, so that also means I cast it. I certainly can't afford Tastosis as a casting duo, it would draw a ton of viewers away from our stream and mean we made much less ad revenue to fund future tournaments and let's be honest, they're not going to commentate some online tournament like that anyway. Outside of actual pro-players and Artosis, Apollo has the best analysis in the industry.

Nononononono, we don't want Tastosis for this tournament.
You and Apollo are doing an excellent job - the number of viewers says it all.
Looking forward to the next edition!!

i completely agree.

Sure tastosis is my favorite casting duo, but a good analogy is food. Steak is my favorite food, but do i eat it every night? of course not. i like tons of other food, and couldnt live off just steak. its nice to have a variety, and in terms of casting duos that arent tastosis, apollo and TB are way up there, love the casting a lot guys, keep it up, look forward to your next event : )
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TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
January 17 2012 00:07 GMT
#3398
On January 17 2012 08:02 betaman wrote:
So he is supposed to divert attention away from a big engagement, potentially game ending engagement, to focus on a drop that might be easily cleaned up?

It would be nice if there were say 2 observers and the 2nd one could pull up a picture in picture (PiP) when a drop is happening during a big battle or 2 drops are happening at the same time so we dont have to miss them but i imagine this would be very difficult to implement and co-ordinate on the fly so both observers arent looking at the same thing.


I can think of a way to do this live actually. Holy shit, I'm really shocked no-one has done that before, it's actually not that hard to implement if you have the right capture hardware. I've had an amazing idea, I wonder if I can implement that for SCI5, it seems possible!

On the subject of priorities. Showing a drop while no other engagement is happening is of course, what you should be doing. We generally do not miss those, it's very rare, Apollo is looking out for them on his screen and points them out immediately even if I don't see them straight away. If a drop is going on while a big engagement is happening, I will usually choose not to show it. All that matters in that situation imho, is that you know what effect the drop had. You don't need to see 8 marines shooting a building if there's a big fight going on in the centre.

CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
pokerface
Profile Joined April 2007
507 Posts
January 17 2012 01:55 GMT
#3399
is there a way to watch the games of stephano vs grubby and stephano vs thorzain?
I was totally spoiled of the games,so the results are clear to me, its just that id ike to see them
cheggelund
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway131 Posts
January 17 2012 17:28 GMT
#3400
Great tournament.

I enjoy the caster combination of TB and Apollo quite a bit.

When they cover live sports on TV they also miss key plays from time-to-time, but they use instant replay to 'save' themselves.

--Chegg
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