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snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
January 09 2012 12:35 GMT
#2341
i just keep expecting MC and MKP to popup and start casting.
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
January 09 2012 12:35 GMT
#2342
I have seen DRG used Ultras to win the games many times. So, I think the problem is who use it.
Mattchew
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States5684 Posts
January 09 2012 12:35 GMT
#2343
why is there no twitchtv stream
There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.
FuRong
Profile Joined April 2010
New Zealand3089 Posts
January 09 2012 12:35 GMT
#2344
The real problem for Sen was that Boxer's economy was allowed to expand freely the whole time. If the Terran takes a third base easily then it gets a lot harder for Zerg, if he gets a fourth then Zerg is basically screwed. Sen fought well, but when the Terran has so much money to churn out unlimited Marines, you're basically playing tower defense with units that trade cost inefficiently.

If you look at the way DRG plays, he's always looking to shutdown bases and not allow easy expansions, forcing Terran to play defensively and not allowing him to max out. If Terran hits 200/200 and has a stable economy, the game is basically over.
Don't hate the player, hate the game
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
January 09 2012 12:35 GMT
#2345
On January 09 2012 21:34 Atoissen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:32 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:31 ambrosiaa wrote:
Seriously, they should not have replaced naniwa with sen. Sen just isn't code S standard.


They should just stop giving free seeds to foreigners because they're foreigners.


I think free Code A seeds are ok, but not directly into Code S.


I guess Code A seeds are fine, but there is no real reason except wanting foreigners to buy the product to give foreigners free seeds to Code S. If the foreigners had proved that by getting these free seeds in past tournaments that they could hang, it would be one thing, but we've only had three foreigners ever make it to the quarterfinals of Code S, and two of those were at the very beginning of 2011.
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Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
January 09 2012 12:36 GMT
#2346
Sen's second game was pretty good, no need to flame him or QQ about code S foreigner seeds Oo'
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Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
January 09 2012 12:36 GMT
#2347
On January 09 2012 21:34 Seeker wrote:
BOXER!!! TAKE DOWN JJAKJI!!!

(I doubt it though :/)

HEATHEN
Never doubt the Emperor!
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MonkSEA
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Australia1227 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 12:36:57
January 09 2012 12:36 GMT
#2348
On January 09 2012 21:31 Asha` wrote:
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On January 09 2012 21:31 ambrosiaa wrote:
Seriously, they should not have replaced naniwa with sen. Sen just isn't code S standard.


Right, and Naniwa's GSL performances have really shown that he is...


Getting knocked out of Code A by a now Code S zerg isn't too bad I guess.. And you're basing your thoughts on Naniwa of what.. 6 months ago? Not the Naniwa 'now' that has proven outside of GSL that his Code S material.
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TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 09 2012 12:36 GMT
#2349
On January 09 2012 21:34 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:32 Nocteo wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:31 HwangjaeTerran wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:29 Fatalize wrote:
The fact that marines rape Ultras is pretty funny


ya, like lings against thors


Exactly.

nope. that`s totally not compareable. Ultras have splash to kill larger amounts of low hp units. But it doesn`t work as intended.

I guess from a Zerg point of view, “working as intended” should be something like Ultralisks merrily slaying 5 Marines per hit?
MyLastSerenade
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany710 Posts
January 09 2012 12:36 GMT
#2350
On January 09 2012 21:32 zul wrote:
3 ultras vs 20 marines. all ultras die and 15 marines are still alive. #efficiency


u missed the medivacs and a little bit of micro from boxer......
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2351
On January 09 2012 21:34 Lysanias wrote:
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On January 09 2012 21:30 MorroW wrote:
"can these ultras break through these few marines??????"

"ohhh nooo"

^^; ultralisk is hard unit to use, its for sure not a unit that wins the battle alone and i can see where zerg whine is coming from. my personal opinion is that they are good enough and hots will break them hard


May i ask in what situation you would use them ? Considering there cost i find it hard to say they are worth it in any situation unless your so far ahead it's no matter what you make really.


Do you really think bls works when you're not far ahead when facing a worthy opponent ?
Btw what we saw when sen went ultra first was just him hanging around with them and not trying to do sth out of it, it's not really telling of how good/bad they are...
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snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2352
On January 09 2012 21:35 Wildmoon wrote:
I have seen DRG used Ultras to win the games many times. So, I think the problem is who use it.


True, but he's also done ultra into loss pretty often too!
jellyjello
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)664 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2353
On January 09 2012 21:34 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:32 jellyjello wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:30 MorroW wrote:
"can these ultras break through these few marines??????"

"ohhh nooo"

^^; ultralisk is hard unit to use, its for sure not a unit that wins the battle alone and i can see where zerg whine is coming from. my personal opinion is that they are good enough and hots will break them hard


it's not just ultra. the underlying problem is that ranged > melee. throw medivacs in that, and those marines just don't die.

Zerg is all about fast melee units, bl's are just a blasphemy to zerg design. Just deal with it and be creative (flanks anyone ?)


obviously you missed all those debates about unit clumping. in SC2, ranged > melee, period. that's why terran race looks (is) so imba, because most terran units are ranged including marines which is their basic unit.

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NGrNecris
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand855 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2354
On January 09 2012 21:35 dde wrote:
all i see is imbalance whining....

Thats when you know you're in a LR thread
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2355
On January 09 2012 21:35 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:34 Atoissen wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:31 ambrosiaa wrote:
Seriously, they should not have replaced naniwa with sen. Sen just isn't code S standard.


They should just stop giving free seeds to foreigners because they're foreigners.


I think free Code A seeds are ok, but not directly into Code S.


I guess Code A seeds are fine, but there is no real reason except wanting foreigners to buy the product to give foreigners free seeds to Code S. If the foreigners had proved that by getting these free seeds in past tournaments that they could hang, it would be one thing, but we've only had three foreigners ever make it to the quarterfinals of Code S, and two of those were at the very beginning of 2011.


This, right here. 100% agree.
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Cryhavoc
Profile Joined April 2010
372 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2356
I didnt watched gsl for a long time, how long tastosis been wearing those ugly intern suits. omg that red ties
En Taro Adun!
TheDwf
Profile Joined November 2011
France19747 Posts
January 09 2012 12:37 GMT
#2357
On January 09 2012 21:35 zul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:34 TheDwf wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 zul wrote:
3 ultras vs 20 marines. all ultras die and 15 marines are still alive. #efficiency

You know 3 Colossi without support probably lose to 10 Marauders, right?

marauders /= marines

Oh really? Congratulations, I see you perfectly understood my point.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2358
On January 09 2012 21:37 NGrNecris wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:35 dde wrote:
all i see is imbalance whining....

Thats when you know you're in a LR thread


An SC2 LR thread.
KiNGxXx
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
7928 Posts
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2359
On January 09 2012 21:37 jellyjello wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:34 kubiks wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 jellyjello wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:30 MorroW wrote:
"can these ultras break through these few marines??????"

"ohhh nooo"

^^; ultralisk is hard unit to use, its for sure not a unit that wins the battle alone and i can see where zerg whine is coming from. my personal opinion is that they are good enough and hots will break them hard


it's not just ultra. the underlying problem is that ranged > melee. throw medivacs in that, and those marines just don't die.

Zerg is all about fast melee units, bl's are just a blasphemy to zerg design. Just deal with it and be creative (flanks anyone ?)


obviously you missed all those debates about unit clumping. in SC2, ranged > melee, period. that's why terran race looks (is) so imba, because most terran units are ranged including marines which is their basic unit.

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figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 12:41:29
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2360
On January 09 2012 21:32 Fatalize wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:30 TheDwf wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:29 Fatalize wrote:
The fact that marines rape Ultras is pretty funny

Yep, 2 Ultralisks should of course one-shot 15+ Marines with Medivac support.



Ultras are designed to kill small clumped up units. Terran is "supposed" to build something like maraudeurs to kill them.

Except that marines kill ultras as fast.
Yeah, indeed. The design intent for ultras definitely didn't work except probably on low skill level. That's different from zergling vs thor where the design of the stats is supposed to favor zerglings. However, after the +armored patch ultras are supposed to work better vs marauders than marines, despite the splash.
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