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SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2361
Well actually Ultras are meant to counter Mech units, as per there bonus vs armored.. so yeah, against marauders and a good ling flank/fungal they are pure rape.
But against marines that AREN'T fungaled, with medivacs, I don't find it very imba or anything that ultras suck. I mean, 1 ultra will own 4-5 marines, but when you get up into 15-20 rine territory, why shouldn't they beat 2-3 ultras? If there was a ling flank, it wouldve worked even better.
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Hypemeup
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden2783 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 12:38:54
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2362
On January 09 2012 21:38 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:37 NGrNecris wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:35 dde wrote:
all i see is imbalance whining....

Thats when you know you're in a LR thread


An SC2 LR thread.



Yeah cause we never saw/see "T OP" in bw LR.

No, never.
Severian
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2052 Posts
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2363
On January 09 2012 21:35 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:34 Atoissen wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 Fionn wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:31 ambrosiaa wrote:
Seriously, they should not have replaced naniwa with sen. Sen just isn't code S standard.


They should just stop giving free seeds to foreigners because they're foreigners.


I think free Code A seeds are ok, but not directly into Code S.


I guess Code A seeds are fine, but there is no real reason except wanting foreigners to buy the product to give foreigners free seeds to Code S. If the foreigners had proved that by getting these free seeds in past tournaments that they could hang, it would be one thing, but we've only had three foreigners ever make it to the quarterfinals of Code S, and two of those were at the very beginning of 2011.

If GOM gave out free seeds to female gamers there would be no end to the whining on these forums.
Atoissen
Profile Joined July 2011
Norway1737 Posts
January 09 2012 12:38 GMT
#2364
After this result I win anyway, Boxer vrs Jakji (Heart vrs Liquibet).

Yes, had GanZi and Jakji to advance, my heart is rooting for BoxeR tho <3
“Strength lies not in defense but in attack.”
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2365
On January 09 2012 21:34 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:32 jellyjello wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:30 MorroW wrote:
"can these ultras break through these few marines??????"

"ohhh nooo"

^^; ultralisk is hard unit to use, its for sure not a unit that wins the battle alone and i can see where zerg whine is coming from. my personal opinion is that they are good enough and hots will break them hard


it's not just ultra. the underlying problem is that ranged > melee. throw medivacs in that, and those marines just don't die.

Zerg is all about fast melee units, bl's are just a blasphemy to zerg design. Just deal with it and be creative (flanks anyone ?)


So a Giant flying beast launching fast melee units is blasphemy ? Weird idea. BLs are just a carrier for zergling who have a different name, they're way more Zergy than Guardian for example.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2366
I think one of the problems is that zergs make to many ultras. There is no reason to have more than 4-5. Another thing that some ppl already have stated, and which i agree with, is that you must have a huge zergling swarm. Flanking is crucial and i feel it is being neglected many times in zvt.
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2367
On January 09 2012 21:31 ambrosiaa wrote:
Seriously, they should not have replaced naniwa with sen. Sen just isn't code S standard.

yes, the great naniwa would have brought his bonjwa-esque GSL record with him and crushed those noobs...

Sen put up a great fight here. No shame.
in a state of trance
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2368
On January 09 2012 21:38 Hypemeup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:38 Sadistx wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:37 NGrNecris wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:35 dde wrote:
all i see is imbalance whining....

Thats when you know you're in a LR thread


An SC2 LR thread.



Yeah cause we never saw/see "T OP" in bw LR.

No, never.


Only Flash is OP. And sometimes Bisu.
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
Sub40APM
Profile Joined August 2010
6336 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2369
come on tasteless. Boxer v Sen was not a 'great series.' some clumsy stuff from both players, with the clumsier player losing.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2370
On January 09 2012 21:37 TheDwf wrote:
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On January 09 2012 21:35 zul wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:34 TheDwf wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 zul wrote:
3 ultras vs 20 marines. all ultras die and 15 marines are still alive. #efficiency

You know 3 Colossi without support probably lose to 10 Marauders, right?

marauders /= marines

Oh really? Congratulations, I see you perfectly understood my point.
Your point was ridiculously flawed, though. I could see it, but so many holes.

And I do think some people do not understand that some of us are not relating directly to SEn's games (he played awfully, truly) but to the actual overall use of the Ultralisk. Really hate when they generalise.
#freeshauni
Tsubbi
Profile Joined September 2010
Germany7967 Posts
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2371
On January 09 2012 21:38 Sadistx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:37 NGrNecris wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:35 dde wrote:
all i see is imbalance whining....

Thats when you know you're in a LR thread


An SC2 LR thread.


well, considering zvt has not once ever been in zerg's favor it's no wonder

not internationally, not in korea

http://imgur.com/a/3yZUQ
GodOfWar
Profile Joined December 2011
870 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 12:39:59
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2372
On January 09 2012 21:32 GodOfWar wrote:
Poll: Jjakji vs Boxer - Will the Emperor make it?

YES !!! HAIL THE EMPEROR !! (30)
 
75%

Nope, Jjakji is still the Champ (10)
 
25%

40 total votes

Your vote: Jjakji vs Boxer - Will the Emperor make it?

(Vote): YES !!! HAIL THE EMPEROR !!
(Vote): Nope, Jjakji is still the Champ



thanks for the love guys.

I made an +1 bet on Boxer 100 Euro, I know he will get at least 1 map lol
Mvp Moon Squirtle
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-09 12:41:23
January 09 2012 12:39 GMT
#2373
On January 09 2012 21:36 MonkSEA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:31 Asha` wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:31 ambrosiaa wrote:
Seriously, they should not have replaced naniwa with sen. Sen just isn't code S standard.


Right, and Naniwa's GSL performances have really shown that he is...


Getting knocked out of Code A by a now Code S zerg isn't too bad I guess.. And you're basing your thoughts on Naniwa of what.. 6 months ago? Not the Naniwa 'now' that has proven outside of GSL that his Code S material.


You are code S material only if you are in Code S or close to geting there .
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?36961 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2374
BEAT JJAKJI!!!! GOOOOOOOO!!!!
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Swink
Profile Joined July 2010
Australia26 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2375
Boxer got this .. have faith
FinBenton
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland870 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2376
On January 09 2012 21:35 Mattchew wrote:
why is there no twitchtv stream

Yeah sucks, I cant watch with my phone on bed
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2377
On January 09 2012 21:37 kubiks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:34 Lysanias wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:30 MorroW wrote:
"can these ultras break through these few marines??????"

"ohhh nooo"

^^; ultralisk is hard unit to use, its for sure not a unit that wins the battle alone and i can see where zerg whine is coming from. my personal opinion is that they are good enough and hots will break them hard


May i ask in what situation you would use them ? Considering there cost i find it hard to say they are worth it in any situation unless your so far ahead it's no matter what you make really.


Do you really think bls works when you're not far ahead when facing a worthy opponent ?
Btw what we saw when sen went ultra first was just him hanging around with them and not trying to do sth out of it, it's not really telling of how good/bad they are...


No i do not believe ultra's really work vs Terran, but we all know those situations where you get ahead so far, it's fine to waste them as long as they kill atleast something. And they are more used as fun and turtle clean up.

And i do not say they are bad, i just see no use in them vs Terran considering they get countered by any bio, and can never really be cost effective against it.
X3GoldDot
Profile Joined August 2011
Malaysia3840 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2378
On January 09 2012 21:38 KiNGxXx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 09 2012 21:37 jellyjello wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:34 kubiks wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:32 jellyjello wrote:
On January 09 2012 21:30 MorroW wrote:
"can these ultras break through these few marines??????"

"ohhh nooo"

^^; ultralisk is hard unit to use, its for sure not a unit that wins the battle alone and i can see where zerg whine is coming from. my personal opinion is that they are good enough and hots will break them hard


it's not just ultra. the underlying problem is that ranged > melee. throw medivacs in that, and those marines just don't die.

Zerg is all about fast melee units, bl's are just a blasphemy to zerg design. Just deal with it and be creative (flanks anyone ?)


obviously you missed all those debates about unit clumping. in SC2, ranged > melee, period. that's why terran race looks (is) so imba, because most terran units are ranged including marines which is their basic unit.

Make hydras!


the only tactic that is worse than making ultras is making hydras.
prime/startale/[SexComaZerg, RoyalRoaderZerg, SirLifealot] ingame ID = GoodGame
Plague1503
Profile Joined October 2010
Croatia466 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2379
Gogo Boxer two SlayerS advancing!
"Good luck." "I don't need luck. I have ammo."
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
January 09 2012 12:40 GMT
#2380
[image loading]

wtb lol!


ps. yay boxer!
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