Hello everyone! After a great first season the Korean Weekly is BACK and ready to roll for 2012!!!! We will be expanding the tournament in several ways, and thanks to the genrosity of Twitch TV for Season 2 the Korean Weekly will be expanding!
The most important change will be in the Monthly Finals, which have been scrapped in favor of the ESV TV/Twitch TV Grand Prix events.
The ESV TV/Twitch TV Grand Prix events will feature a much more extensive roster of players, upping the number to 36 per event. Most importantly the prize pool has been increased to $2,000 USD per event!!!!
Very nice. Thanks for running this tournament, as well as to Twitch. I'm very confident Taeja will win this though. Good luck to both players regardless though. May the best player win.
Edit: By the way, still would love more feedback on if you liked the casting/format style we tried at the end of Season 1 by breaking the tournament up into parts.
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
Why do so many people FF loss in every single tournament..... If they accept the offer to play, then they should play and if they decline then they shouldn't be allowed to play? This is an awesome tournament and shouldn't be tossed aside as a cheap 'for fun' tournament anymore. When you all started off it was understandable, but now so many FF's are just stupid.
On a different note, oh no~! Most of my favorites all got fucked early T_T
On January 15 2012 07:11 Shinta) wrote: Why do so many people FF loss in every single tournament..... If they accept the offer to play, then they should play and if they decline then they shouldn't be allowed to play? This is an awesome tournament and shouldn't be tossed aside as a cheap 'for fun' tournament anymore. When you all started off it was understandable, but now so many FF's are just stupid.
On a different note, oh no~! Most of my favorites all got fucked early T_T
Look at pretty much any online tourney and you'll see this happen. Stuff comes up, and even sometimes coaches (since coaches sign up the players) forget to tell said players.
There's no 100% solution to it, but it's been getting better every week.
Omg im so excited to see both Huk and ForGG in this! This is a can't miss for me. Diamond thanks so much for putting in so much work. ESV is really becoming a huge name and climbing up the tournament rankings. It seems to pull in all the biggest names just about now.
Edit: Omg, all the big names.. sase jinro morrow zenio nada leenock july oz puma..
Sad to see Idra and Naniwa aren't participating though.
Holy shit that is a crazy roster. But I have to ask, who is the mysterious triple square that will be up against Dream?
I'm going to try to see if I can fancy up the bingo cards in time, but I don't know if I'll get to it since the only copy of photoshop I have access to is in the lab I work in. Until then for those interested, I give you:
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I like the idea of two streams. Who casts ESVs normally?
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I like the idea of two streams. Who casts ESVs normally?
Orb, but he'll sometimes have another person on to cast with him
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I like the idea of two streams. Who casts ESVs normally?
Will be Orb and Wacksteven this week on the main stream. Don't know about a second one yet.
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I like the idea of two streams. Who casts ESVs normally?
Will be Orb and Wacksteven this week on the main stream. Don't know about a second one yet.
Also seed #67 is 박남규. I don't know who it is.
Might I suggest Torch if hes still in Korea? I haven't heard anything from him in a while, but I used to love his casting .
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I like the idea of two streams. Who casts ESVs normally?
Will be Orb and Wacksteven this week on the main stream. Don't know about a second one yet.
Also seed #67 is 박남규. I don't know who it is.
Might I suggest Torch if hes still in Korea? I haven't heard anything from him in a while, but I used to love his casting .
TorcH is not in Korea and also he is not a fan of casting. Don't worry I'll figure something out, I always do hehe !
Just added 박남규, according to PlayXP entries he is ZeNEX.Moon (yes, another Moon. No, not that one. No, not that one, either. ) Edit: Also, who is TSL.Dream?
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I'm not saying the coverage last year was particularly bad, I just felt that there were some games that weren't casted that I wanted to see.
On January 15 2012 07:03 OnFiRe888 wrote: What's the system of casting games for season 2? I remember the system in season 1, being a little bit random.
Seemed like everyone had no issues with the covering sections.
That being said, I did not expected a bracket this size, so this week is going to require some special planning, as well as maybe adding a spur the moment second stream.
Not 100% yet, this week blew away all my expectations.
I like the idea of two streams. Who casts ESVs normally?
Will be Orb and Wacksteven this week on the main stream. Don't know about a second one yet.
Also seed #67 is 박남규. I don't know who it is.
Might I suggest Torch if hes still in Korea? I haven't heard anything from him in a while, but I used to love his casting .
TorcH is not in Korea and also he is not a fan of casting. Don't worry I'll figure something out, I always do hehe !
Ok. <3. I hope you get a player though, I always enjoy high level players casting most of all.
On January 15 2012 10:42 Eee wrote: Cheering for sase, morrow, jinro, and TSL players. The bracket is really blurry for me on my phone, can someone tell me who morrow is facing?
On January 15 2012 08:13 zere wrote: Just added 박남규, according to PlayXP entries he is ZeNEX.Moon (yes, another Moon. No, not that one. No, not that one, either. ) Edit: Also, who is TSL.Dream?
TSL Dream is a lesser know Terran player that's been on TSL for a while now apparently (He's not MvPDream either)
On January 15 2012 07:11 Shinta) wrote: Why do so many people FF loss in every single tournament..... If they accept the offer to play, then they should play and if they decline then they shouldn't be allowed to play? This is an awesome tournament and shouldn't be tossed aside as a cheap 'for fun' tournament anymore. When you all started off it was understandable, but now so many FF's are just stupid.
On a different note, oh no~! Most of my favorites all got fucked early T_T
Look at pretty much any online tourney and you'll see this happen. Stuff comes up, and even sometimes coaches (since coaches sign up the players) forget to tell said players.
There's no 100% solution to it, but it's been getting better every week.
I do think there should be some sort of punishment for not showing up though.. It's a respectable tournament, and even though having the coaches choose the players is an easy method of inviting players, having players skip out, whether it's the coaches fault or not, deserves at least a suspension or something. If the coaches are actually the biggest part of the problem, then maybe you should get a Korean to invite the Koreans directly or something. Even though it's a high caliber tournament, it feels much less important that it really is when people don't respect it.
On January 15 2012 07:11 Shinta) wrote: Why do so many people FF loss in every single tournament..... If they accept the offer to play, then they should play and if they decline then they shouldn't be allowed to play? This is an awesome tournament and shouldn't be tossed aside as a cheap 'for fun' tournament anymore. When you all started off it was understandable, but now so many FF's are just stupid.
On a different note, oh no~! Most of my favorites all got fucked early T_T
Look at pretty much any online tourney and you'll see this happen. Stuff comes up, and even sometimes coaches (since coaches sign up the players) forget to tell said players.
There's no 100% solution to it, but it's been getting better every week.
I do think there should be some sort of punishment for not showing up though.. It's a respectable tournament, and even though having the coaches choose the players is an easy method of inviting players, having players skip out, whether it's the coaches fault or not, deserves at least a suspension or something. If the coaches are actually the biggest part of the problem, then maybe you should get a Korean to invite the Koreans directly or something. Even though it's a high caliber tournament, it feels much less important that it really is when people don't respect it.
Well don't forget there is a lot of things at play. Take example if a team signs up a player days in advance (which we encourage) and the player is sick. He should be punished for being sick? What if they had any one of 14,500 possible real life emergencies or situations that they did not have days before.
Now obviously there are more walkovers then people that could happen to be sick, but the point is stuff comes up. Hopefully soon we will be using a bracket system that allows for check ins, but currently we are not. I don't think punishing for missing in a $200 weekly (even if it feeds into bigger things) is fair in any way and even more so since no weekly out there does it.
I'm not getting in the business of punishing players for everything possible. I only want to punish in rare scenarios (CoCa/Byun) and in others I work with the players to try and help them understand why they should do things like this. For example in a recent weekly two same team players were going to have one forfeit because they did not want to play a teammate. I pulled them aside and explained in particular since CoCa/Byun that NA fans would frown upon this and did not like. When explained this, they said "no problem" and played the series (played it out 100% too, great series at that) and now they understand why not to do that in the future.
Let's not jump on punishing everyone for everything, it's just p[art of the growing phase.
On January 15 2012 07:11 Shinta) wrote: Why do so many people FF loss in every single tournament..... If they accept the offer to play, then they should play and if they decline then they shouldn't be allowed to play? This is an awesome tournament and shouldn't be tossed aside as a cheap 'for fun' tournament anymore. When you all started off it was understandable, but now so many FF's are just stupid.
On a different note, oh no~! Most of my favorites all got fucked early T_T
Look at pretty much any online tourney and you'll see this happen. Stuff comes up, and even sometimes coaches (since coaches sign up the players) forget to tell said players.
There's no 100% solution to it, but it's been getting better every week.
I do think there should be some sort of punishment for not showing up though.. It's a respectable tournament, and even though having the coaches choose the players is an easy method of inviting players, having players skip out, whether it's the coaches fault or not, deserves at least a suspension or something. If the coaches are actually the biggest part of the problem, then maybe you should get a Korean to invite the Koreans directly or something. Even though it's a high caliber tournament, it feels much less important that it really is when people don't respect it.
Well don't forget there is a lot of things at play. Take example if a team signs up a player days in advance (which we encourage) and the player is sick. He should be punished for being sick? What if they had any one of 14,500 possible real life emergencies or situations that they did not have days before.
Now obviously there are more walkovers then people that could happen to be sick, but the point is stuff comes up. Hopefully soon we will be using a bracket system that allows for check ins, but currently we are not. I don't think punishing for missing in a $200 weekly (even if it feeds into bigger things) is fair in any way and even more so since no weekly out there does it.
I'm not getting in the business of punishing players for everything possible. I only want to punish in rare scenarios (CoCa/Byun) and in others I work with the players to try and help them understand why they should do things like this. For example in a recent weekly two same team players were going to have one forfeit because they did not want to play a teammate. I pulled them aside and explained in particular since CoCa/Byun that NA fans would frown upon this and did not like. When explained this, they said "no problem" and played the series (played it out 100% too, great series at that) and now they understand why not to do that in the future.
Let's not jump on punishing everyone for everything, it's just p[art of the growing phase.
I think Shinta, like all of us are just really surprised as to the consistent, or even growing number of players who drop every week. It feels like every time there is a weekly, there are going to be close to 10 people dropping. Which is quite strange if you factor in the fact that this prize money/fame does mean A LOT to koreans. btw: you should ask day9 if he wants to cast.
On January 15 2012 15:14 Mr Showtime wrote: How exactly did desrow get into this? Honest question. He stands out a bit amongst this company.
He asked and he is a notable foreigner living in Korea training at the GOM house. Like 90% of foreigners that go to Korea dodge this tournament like the plague despite wanting to go to Korea to "play the best". DesRow is actually making an effort to do so and I commend him for it.
Only 5 foreigners I can think of have not heavily dodged it are QXC, DesRow, MorroW, HuK, and Jinro. They deserve some respect, where most others make claims like "it's too hard" or just end up playing one and never again. It is a hard tournament, but those are the ones making good on the "I want to play the best" statement.
On January 15 2012 15:18 OnFiRe888 wrote: I think Shinta, like all of us are just really surprised as to the consistent, or even growing number of players who drop every week. It feels like every time there is a weekly, there are going to be close to 10 people dropping. Which is quite strange if you factor in the fact that this prize money/fame does mean A LOT to koreans. btw: you should ask day9 if he wants to cast.
Take any major weekly tournament with a check in system, count the players signed up and the ones that end up in the tournament after check in. Said % will very likely higher then this tournament, the system is just set up to not show it.
This is part of the reason as to why I have so much respect for Jinro. He never takes the easy way out and doesn't want things handed to him (i.e. Code A spot last year). He really is committed to playing the best and earning everything that he gets.
On January 15 2012 18:22 milesfacade wrote: Oh wow, this is going to be great. Shame the times are still bad for EU, but I guess they're always going to be bad for somebody.
Yeah but Twitchtv VODs are really great, they are usually up a few hours after the broadcast so no reason anyone should miss out
I can't wait for this, been getting withdrawals ^^
Love the player list, lets go Sting and Hack do something while waiting to qualify for GSL :D
On January 15 2012 18:22 milesfacade wrote: Oh wow, this is going to be great. Shame the times are still bad for EU, but I guess they're always going to be bad for somebody.
Yeah but Twitchtv VODs are really great, they are usually up a few hours after the broadcast so no reason anyone should miss out
I can't wait for this, been getting withdrawals ^^
Love the player list, lets go Sting and Hack do something while waiting to qualify for GSL :D
That and also they will be all split up over on twitchvods.com. We will be also having a French rebroadcast on EU hours, going to see how it works out !
On January 14 2012 19:46 Diamond wrote: The Korean Weekly Season 2 Week 1 may be the single most stacked online tournament ever, if not easily Top 3. OMG this player list is absurd!
You weren't lying, were you. Bloody hell, the amount of top players. O.o
On January 14 2012 19:46 Diamond wrote: The Korean Weekly Season 2 Week 1 may be the single most stacked online tournament ever, if not easily Top 3. OMG this player list is absurd!
You weren't lying, were you. Bloody hell, the amount of top players. O.o
On January 15 2012 08:13 zere wrote: Just added 박남규, according to PlayXP entries he is ZeNEX.Moon (yes, another Moon. No, not that one. No, not that one, either. ) Edit: Also, who is TSL.Dream?
TSL Dream is a lesser know Terran player that's been on TSL for a while now apparently (He's not MvPDream either)
On January 14 2012 19:46 Diamond wrote: The Korean Weekly Season 2 Week 1 may be the single most stacked online tournament ever, if not easily Top 3. OMG this player list is absurd!
You weren't lying, were you. Bloody hell, the amount of top players. O.o
If there's any to add or correct, feel free to reply here or on the Talk page.
Rd of 128 completely missing 0_O
Hmm...yeah. The consideration is that liquipedia does not actually have a 128-man bracket. We could break it up into two halves and use two 64-man brackets, but that would result in a very lengthy page with quite a lot of 'BYE's in the Ro128.
This has probably been said before, but please, please, PLEASE put common time zones in the OP (UTC+x is fine, but EST / CET / KST is probably better). It makes it a LOT easier to skim over something to find out when it is - I don't think most people go around with KST / EST conversions at the top of their heads
On January 16 2012 22:25 iKill wrote: This has probably been said before, but please, please, PLEASE put common time zones in the OP (UTC+x is fine, but EST / CET / KST is probably better). It makes it a LOT easier to skim over something to find out when it is - I don't think most people go around with KST / EST conversions at the top of their heads
He wrote the OP in the bb codes for the date S2 Week 1 - Day 1 [date]1/16/2012, 7PM EST[ /date]* (inserted a space, so it don´t work)
If you put your timezone in the profile it translates automatically into your own timezone, for me CET. Hope this is what you meant.
On January 16 2012 22:25 iKill wrote: This has probably been said before, but please, please, PLEASE put common time zones in the OP (UTC+x is fine, but EST / CET / KST is probably better). It makes it a LOT easier to skim over something to find out when it is - I don't think most people go around with KST / EST conversions at the top of their heads
He wrote the OP in the bb codes for the date S2 Week 1 - Day 1 [date]1/16/2012, 7PM EST[ /date]* (inserted a space, so it don´t work)
If you put your timezone in the profile it translates automatically into your own timezone, for me CET. Hope this is what you meant.
On January 17 2012 01:20 GoSuChicken wrote: so sad that its unwatchable for a european
We really want to start an EU rebroadcast ASAP. We unfortunately just don't have the resources at this time to do so. I gurantee that when we have the capability to do an EU English rebroadcast we 100% will.
On January 15 2012 08:13 zere wrote: Just added 박남규, according to PlayXP entries he is ZeNEX.Moon (yes, another Moon. No, not that one. No, not that one, either. ) Edit: Also, who is TSL.Dream?
TSL Dream is a lesser know Terran player that's been on TSL for a while now apparently (He's not MvPDream either)
On January 15 2012 08:13 zere wrote: Just added 박남규, according to PlayXP entries he is ZeNEX.Moon (yes, another Moon. No, not that one. No, not that one, either. ) Edit: Also, who is TSL.Dream?
TSL Dream is a lesser know Terran player that's been on TSL for a while now apparently (He's not MvPDream either)
This is actually semi good time for me, since it starts exactly at midnight here. Pretty good since i never fall a sleep when i should anyways . Im very pumped both for the showmatch and the tourney. Thanks for being awesome ESV/Twitch =)
On January 17 2012 04:09 FishStix wrote: gosh darnit this tournament is so ridiculously stacked.... Can't wait for ESV KR Weekly in 2012. Happy to sponsor such an awesome event :D
Out of extreme curiosity, do you just mean being a subscriber....or do you represent one of their sponsors?
On January 17 2012 04:09 FishStix wrote: gosh darnit this tournament is so ridiculously stacked.... Can't wait for ESV KR Weekly in 2012. Happy to sponsor such an awesome event :D
Out of extreme curiosity, do you just mean being a subscriber....or do you represent one of their sponsors?
On January 17 2012 08:26 dmnum wrote: Lol poor greg he would be so much of a stronger player if he didn't tilt so easily.
there was no tilting there..? if you talking about the no GG well it was not a lan so doesnt matter to him he never ggs online.
He gg'ed now though. I feel like everytime he gets rushed and it doesn't go perfectly his play starts getting affected in the subsequent games of the series. I might've spoken too soon though.
On January 17 2012 08:26 dmnum wrote: Lol poor greg he would be so much of a stronger player if he didn't tilt so easily.
there was no tilting there..? if you talking about the no GG well it was not a lan so doesnt matter to him he never ggs online.
He gg'ed now though. I feel like everytime he gets rushed and it doesn't go perfectly his play starts getting affected in the subsequent games of the series. I might've spoken too soon though.
On January 17 2012 08:26 dmnum wrote: Lol poor greg he would be so much of a stronger player if he didn't tilt so easily.
there was no tilting there..? if you talking about the no GG well it was not a lan so doesnt matter to him he never ggs online.
He gg'ed now though. I feel like everytime he gets rushed and it doesn't go perfectly his play starts getting affected in the subsequent games of the series. I might've spoken too soon though.
i think thats just cos it was a macro game and he is okay gg'ing when he gets outplayed in a macro game. no one likes gg'ing when they get all ind
This stream chat is really the worst it has ever been. Normally stream chat on ESV.tv is... decent. Not great, but not horrible. Right now it's godawful and unbearable. I blame it on the frontpage thread from /r/starcraft linking to game...
On January 17 2012 08:50 lowercase wrote: This stream chat is really the worst it has ever been. Normally stream chat on ESV.tv is... decent. Not great, but not horrible. Right now it's godawful and unbearable. I blame it on the frontpage thread from /r/starcraft linking to game...
It could be worst. Imagine if he was losing to a Protoss.
On January 17 2012 08:26 dmnum wrote: Lol poor greg he would be so much of a stronger player if he didn't tilt so easily.
there was no tilting there..? if you talking about the no GG well it was not a lan so doesnt matter to him he never ggs online.
He gg'ed now though. I feel like everytime he gets rushed and it doesn't go perfectly his play starts getting affected in the subsequent games of the series. I might've spoken too soon though.
yea check my edit
I saw it after I posted, anyway it's no big deal, I like him but I just wish he didn't defeat himself so often.
On January 17 2012 08:50 lowercase wrote: This stream chat is really the worst it has ever been. Normally stream chat on ESV.tv is... decent. Not great, but not horrible. Right now it's godawful and unbearable. I blame it on the frontpage thread from /r/starcraft linking to game...
Not everything is reddit's fault. There's 20k people, and if you ever watch Idra's stream, his chat is a nightmare. These kind of things happen when you get a metric fuckton of viewers. PEOPLE ALWAYS BLAMING REDDIT IS KILLING ESPORTS.
On January 17 2012 08:50 lowercase wrote: This stream chat is really the worst it has ever been. Normally stream chat on ESV.tv is... decent. Not great, but not horrible. Right now it's godawful and unbearable. I blame it on the frontpage thread from /r/starcraft linking to game...
Not everything is reddit's fault. There's 20k people, and if you ever watch Idra's stream, his chat is a nightmare. These kind of things happen when you get a metric fuckton of viewers. PEOPLE ALWAYS BLAMING REDDIT IS KILLING ESPORTS.
Reddit has a lot to answer for and it goes way deeper than just starcraft.
now, i'm hardly impressed these days with sc, but what. the. fuck.
taeja, 13:00 game time, was amazing.
his focus firing was spot on throughout the series. impressive game to watch some amazing terran micro. and weapon/armor never skipping a beat on game 2 i think it was :o
Thanks to Diamond, i'll be re-casting all those games in French on Wednesday, 18 2012 at 19h00 CET on the ESV TV French channel : http://www.twitch.tv/esvtvfr .
Be sure to tune in for those awesome games, even if you don't understand French, you can still enjoy them :-).
On January 17 2012 20:02 Growiel wrote: Hey guys !
Thanks to Diamond, i'll be re-casting all those games in French on Wednesday, 18 2012 at 19h00 CET on the ESV TV French channel : http://www.twitch.tv/esvtvfr .
Be sure to tune in for those awesome games, even if you don't understand French, you can still enjoy them :-).
Spread the words and see you tomorrow !
Just wondering are you going to be doing all 8 hours?
wow this is going to be better than yesterday's matches o.O sooo many good MU's, esp looking forward to illusion leenock, should be much closer than people think
nah, it's gonna be cloakshee expo, NaDa has to know how the rush distance fucks 1/1/1 allin on Daybreak. cloakshee is great if your opponent gets too greedy and delays his robo.
edit:...maybe he's even getting a THIRD BASE before a robo lmfao
This is a thor timing that MVP and Jjakji have used before, interesting to see if NaDa changes it up at all
That's what happens when you blow nearly all of your ht energy before the engagement happens, the scvs can repair up and with only 1 immortal it wasn't a debilitating blow that he couldn't use 250mm cannon.
the pre feedbacks were stupid with workers repairing x3, if he had more immortals then it would have been clever, but zealots against +1 armor thors i don't think that works. The greedy third was interesting though, but no fast robo was confusing.
Holy shit that's a fast fac from PuMa, it was 80% complete by the time he dropped the tech lab and researched stim, I'd imagine it's very map dependent though, because current immortal allins would just trash that risky of a build lol, tbh since he's attacking with his first 2 medi's I'm surprised that he didn't go 2 tech lab for combat shields as well
edit: LOL!!!! Charge was cancelled when the TC was sniped, PuMa is the god of charge snipes
Is it true that if I subscribe to the twitchtv channel, I get access to all replays? Where can I find more details on this? (like when do I get them and how).
Looks like the Korean New Year's got the best of us. Only had 13 players set up which is no where near enough to run a weekly. Will be pushing back until after the Korean New Years celebrations are over.
On January 21 2012 18:07 Diamond wrote: Looks like the Korean New Year's got the best of us. Only had 13 players set up which is no where near enough to run a weekly. Will be pushing back until after the Korean New Years celebrations are over.
Will update this thread when I have dates/times.
oh thank god, I forgot to sign up anyways. so its canceled for today?
On January 21 2012 18:07 Diamond wrote: Looks like the Korean New Year's got the best of us. Only had 13 players set up which is no where near enough to run a weekly. Will be pushing back until after the Korean New Years celebrations are over.
Will update this thread when I have dates/times.
oh thank god, I forgot to sign up anyways. so its canceled for today?
Yeah, it's cancelled....
...and here I was ready for my Clash boys to shine.
Just a note there is a slight possibility of a broadcast of missed games from last week. Was quite a few good ones that were skipped. Not for sure, but want to do something still.
Just fyi we will be releasing some of the numbers from the KW each week as I think this info is good to get to the public so sponsors can see what a good investment SC2 is . Here's the stats from the S2 W1 English cast only.
Talked to Orb. Although there is no new weekly this week, we will be going through on Monday casting some of the replays from W1 that got missed, as there was SOOOOO many good games. Will start at the normal time!
On January 23 2012 07:15 Diamond wrote: Talked to Orb. Although there is no new weekly this week, we will be going through on Monday casting some of the replays from W1 that got missed, as there was SOOOOO many good games. Will start at the normal time!
Thumbs up for this, always good to see the Korean Weekly!
edit: WHAT, you also got Adebisi for tonight, AWESOME!
On January 24 2012 08:24 grtgrt1 wrote: Does anyone else experience a but where Twitch jumps into the center and hides parts of itself behind the frames?
I've heard about the issue on Reddit somewhere, but haven't seen it myself. Maybe try refreshing?
On January 24 2012 08:24 grtgrt1 wrote: Does anyone else experience a but where Twitch jumps into the center and hides parts of itself behind the frames?
I've had that problem from time to time on twitch. Sometimes refresh can fix it, or you can try to use popout-window. It's really annoying -_-
Man this new Thor/Banshee push of NaDa's he's been using lately is pretty fucking sick. Even more so when you realize it's REALLY map dependent so he can blow the 150mm cannons.
On January 24 2012 09:23 Diamond wrote: Man this new Thor/Banshee push of NaDa's he's been using lately is pretty fucking sick. Even more so when you realize it's REALLY map dependent so he can blow the 150mm cannons.
Didn't MMA do this on Cloud Kingdom the other day on GSL as well? It's cool that maps are finally starting to affect unit comps.
On January 24 2012 09:23 Diamond wrote: Man this new Thor/Banshee push of NaDa's he's been using lately is pretty fucking sick. Even more so when you realize it's REALLY map dependent so he can blow the 150mm cannons.
Didn't MMA do this on Cloud Kingdom the other day on GSL as well? It's cool that maps are finally starting to affect unit comps.
That was NaDa also (although I missed the MMA game, he might have done it to). I agree, it was depressing to see maps have no effect. Now players are playing to the maps, cool stuff!
This build has been around for a while. It was popularized when Jjakji used it on Daybreak against Puzzle in the RO8, then Ryung used it (and failed) against Brown in Code A on the same map, etc. etc. Daybreak is great for this build because of the rocks just outside of the natural.
On January 24 2012 09:23 Diamond wrote: Man this new Thor/Banshee push of NaDa's he's been using lately is pretty fucking sick. Even more so when you realize it's REALLY map dependent so he can blow the 150mm cannons.
Didn't MMA do this on Cloud Kingdom the other day on GSL as well? It's cool that maps are finally starting to affect unit comps.
That was NaDa also (although I missed the MMA game, he might have done it to). I agree, it was depressing to see maps have no effect. Now players are playing to the maps, cool stuff!
Probably was NaDa. GSL is on when i wake up so I'm just in a daze derping away to Tastosis.
TSL.Cyrano vs. ST.Rainbow coming right up! (actually I might be wrong having some massive ISP issues atm and can only watch about 10 seconds of every minute)
daybreak lategame can get so funny ^.^. Never saw that upgrade used on stream before. Definitely a fun game to watch and for the end you can say, karma strikes again.
NsHS hwaiting! Can't wait, though morrow/naama kill second round >.< Who are these Fnatic players, I haven't heard of them o.O I guess there new recruits? Well goodluck to them.
On January 31 2012 03:02 habbey wrote: Any guesses as to why so many great players played in week 1 but not week 2? Just because week 1 came when there was less going on GSL wise?
It will happen. Some weeks will be loaded to the gills and some will be smaller like this. It is worth noting that GTSL was on when this was played so that's why almost no oGs or ZeNEX. The next 2 weeks are scheduled around it.
Any broadcast schedule available? I would like to see some matches but, need to plan around somethings
Ragnarok is one of TSL young up and comers, did really well in the IPL Team Challenge. I think PuMa will have his hands full. Shine tore apart Polt and Symbol in a qualifier last week(not sure which), while Hyun played terribly in the FXO invitational. Going to be quite interesting indeed.
On January 31 2012 05:45 prodiG wrote: Shine vs Hyun for sure. Jinro vs aLive is a very close second.
Never heard of Ragnarok so I get the idea that match might be really one-sided
He actually had a good run in a team league recently. He defeated Artist, Inori and someone else against ReIGN. Not big names, admittedly, but Artist had taken down Revival who is a quite good mid-tier player.
On January 31 2012 07:15 Baffels wrote: Any broadcast schedule available? I would like to see some matches but, need to plan around somethings
Ragnarok is one of TSL young up and comers, did really well in the IPL Team Challenge. I think PuMa will have his hands full. Shine tore apart Polt and Symbol in a qualifier last week(not sure which), while Hyun played terribly in the FXO invitational. Going to be quite interesting indeed.
Tentative Broadcast Schedule:
Round 1 TSL.Ragnarok vs. EG.Puma TSL.Shine vs. TSL.Hyun Liquid`Jinro vs. aLive
On January 31 2012 07:15 Baffels wrote: Any broadcast schedule available? I would like to see some matches but, need to plan around somethings
Ragnarok is one of TSL young up and comers, did really well in the IPL Team Challenge. I think PuMa will have his hands full. Shine tore apart Polt and Symbol in a qualifier last week(not sure which), while Hyun played terribly in the FXO invitational. Going to be quite interesting indeed.
Tentative Broadcast Schedule:
Round 1 TSL.Ragnarok vs. EG.Puma TSL.Shine vs. TSL.Hyun Liquid`Jinro vs. aLive
On January 31 2012 07:15 Baffels wrote: Any broadcast schedule available? I would like to see some matches but, need to plan around somethings
Ragnarok is one of TSL young up and comers, did really well in the IPL Team Challenge. I think PuMa will have his hands full. Shine tore apart Polt and Symbol in a qualifier last week(not sure which), while Hyun played terribly in the FXO invitational. Going to be quite interesting indeed.
Tentative Broadcast Schedule:
Round 1 TSL.Ragnarok vs. EG.Puma TSL.Shine vs. TSL.Hyun Liquid`Jinro vs. aLive
Round 2 2-3 more matches!
Round 3 1 match!
Want to see some MorroW in r2!
Could be MorroW Naama o.O sad to see foreigners meet in round 2 but should be epic match if naama advances
On January 31 2012 08:40 Baffels wrote: Soooo much gas for ragnarok and no infestors >.< PuMa playing well but, with that much gas why no broodlord switch?
Exactly my thoughts about the no infestors... I don't get it.
On January 31 2012 08:38 vndods wrote: PUMAAAAA. DAT SLAYERS TRAINING.
this is more ragnarok failing transitioning out of ultras..
It's really not easy to transition out of ling/ultra, a switch to unupgraded spire units would not be that great anyway vs 3/3 bio, it can be really good to switch to mutas if your opponent neglects marines tho.
On January 31 2012 08:38 vndods wrote: PUMAAAAA. DAT SLAYERS TRAINING.
this is more ragnarok failing transitioning out of ultras..
It's really not easy to transition out of ling/ultra, a switch to unupgraded spire units would not be that great anyway vs 3/3 bio, it can be really good to switch to mutas if your opponent neglects marines tho.
puma was massing marauders. after he killed the forth he should have noticed it when he lost ultras at pumas third. he couldnt continue going for ultra ling as his main comp
On January 31 2012 08:38 vndods wrote: PUMAAAAA. DAT SLAYERS TRAINING.
this is more ragnarok failing transitioning out of ultras..
It's really not easy to transition out of ling/ultra, a switch to unupgraded spire units would not be that great anyway vs 3/3 bio, it can be really good to switch to mutas if your opponent neglects marines tho.
Nah. Regardless of upgrades Broodlords with that many Marauders and 0 gas from PuMa would of been great. Yeah he could of made marines but, with 2500+ gas Ragnarok with a couple infestors would of just gone to town. That was a really clear and easy choice that Ragnarok just didn't make.
Did stream take a shit? Went to Commercial and then blacked screened me, next thing I see is 4000+ viewers down to 900
On January 31 2012 08:38 vndods wrote: PUMAAAAA. DAT SLAYERS TRAINING.
this is more ragnarok failing transitioning out of ultras..
It's really not easy to transition out of ling/ultra, a switch to unupgraded spire units would not be that great anyway vs 3/3 bio, it can be really good to switch to mutas if your opponent neglects marines tho.
Nah. Regardless of upgrades Broodlords with that many Marauders and 0 gas from PuMa would of been great. Yeah he could of made marines but, with 2500+ gas Ragnarok with a couple infestors would of just gone to town. That was a really clear and easy choice that Ragnarok just didn't make. (
Of course broodlords would be great in theory, when you don't have a spire and no minerals you will never get them tho :p It takes a lot of minerals to build them(and survive until you have them), not to mention over 4 minutes time.
Puma still had 4 gas, he just didn't mine from them because he didn't need to, but as soon as he wants he has enough gas and already the infrastructure minus a 50 gas building to counter broodlords.
Ragnarok looked so good early game but completely fell apart.. Making more ultras / banes vs mainly marauder army.. Massling would've f'd Puma up completely.
PuMa is dead. No vikings, no ghosts just tons of bases. GG really nice build from Ragnarok. Haha where did all of Ragnaroks queens go? He took them all from his bases? xD Almost no production for him.
In my opinion, there's a bit too much talking in between games. Other than that, this is the only tournament which is cast from replays, that I enjoy watching (: Keep it up
Hmm, I don't think those roaches and banelings did enough damage to the mech ball and SCVs. We should buff them to do more splash damage on their own.
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On January 31 2012 09:33 lyrlian wrote: In my opinion, there's a bit too much talking in between games. Other than that, this is the only tournament which is cast from replays, that I enjoy watching (: Keep it up
On January 31 2012 09:33 redviper wrote: That was so much fun to watch. I love how he cancelled pool, cancelled nydus, cancelled banelings. Man I love how he changed his strat mid game.
The cancelled Pool was a straight up mistake which pros shouldn't really be making. Your build order before any scouting shouldn't be changed - you should have already determined it before the game starts.
Creator vs. Ragnarok in a GSL final (eventually, or semi-finals considering how unlucky we get sometimes with matchups) and an epic future rivalry between among the top players of their respective races.
On January 31 2012 09:54 00Visor wrote: idk, Jinro had a 3rd CC, and was even in supply, premature gg for me
Nah, easier reinforcements for Alive, no possibility of securing a third for Jinro, no Raven and the simple fact that low food count mech sucks meant he'd lost the game.
Not the greatest control but I really like how Jinro is using the range on the banshees to bait Alive's forces into his siege line. There's nothing he can really do to stop them.
ORB and Adebisi, you guys are great together! like a dream team. its nice to have casters who actually know what they are talking about, rather than just generalizing the whole game long like Husky for example, you guys are actually dropping serious knowledge of the game. Keep it up!!!
On January 31 2012 10:14 TibblesEvilCat wrote: really enjoy your casting orb, i would sugguest that you talk less in-between games.
Really agree. Orb is a really quality caster, but sometimes seems to treat this as more of his own day9 daily style show rather than the weekly tournament it is. More games and analysis, less education and criticism!
I've seen so many games of alive and he just......has no recognizable style whatsoever. Completely generic Terran, he just seems to pull it off better than others.
On January 31 2012 10:28 AngryFarmer wrote: Wow why is hyun playing another zvz... I wanna see him in other matchups!
Hyun vs Jinro happened the other day? I think. Hyun's ZvT involved very few mutalisks and banelings and an incredible amount of lings (like 140+). It was quite interesting and powerful.
On January 31 2012 10:30 Tachion wrote: I've seen so many games of alive and he just......has no recognizable style whatsoever. Completely generic Terran, he just seems to pull it off better than others.
IMHappy is kind of like that too. extremely standard
On January 31 2012 10:30 Tachion wrote: I've seen so many games of alive and he just......has no recognizable style whatsoever. Completely generic Terran, he just seems to pull it off better than others.
IMHappy is kind of like that too. extremely standard
Happy is a stylistic mech player and I feel one of his strong points is his extremely good army positioning (even when not meching).
I think what the previous poster meant was you just don't know how aLive wins games, which is kinda how I feel. There's nothing distinctive about him that puts him a notch above others, yet he continuously wins games.
On January 31 2012 10:30 Tachion wrote: I've seen so many games of alive and he just......has no recognizable style whatsoever. Completely generic Terran, he just seems to pull it off better than others.
IMHappy is kind of like that too. extremely standard
Happy is a stylistic mech player and I feel one of his strong points is his extremely good army positioning (even when not meching).
I think what the previous poster meant was you just don't know how aLive wins games, which is kinda how I feel. There's nothing distinctive about him that puts him a notch above others, yet he continuously wins games.
If you watch him vs. Jinro, even though Jinro has some slight build order wins in the early game, Alive just has better macro or something. I don't really understand how on the Ohana or Cloud Kingdom game that he got such a huge worker and production advantage other than Jinro had some slight inconsistency in his macro that Alive didn't have, and such a fine edge at pro-level really grinds out into a decent advantage, which Alive then uses to secure victory with superior engagements (ignoring the fact that Jinro kind of messed up both engagements in those games).
On January 31 2012 12:46 HeavenS wrote: so.. is this thing over or what? cuz im watching seal vs mook, and the brackets in those pictures look like its over and leenock won.
this is confusing ;o
EDIT: nvm went through all the pages, the OP sucks, should have the wiki page at least >_<
LOL, too close to accurate. You guys need a few more moderators in chat. I like the Orb and Adebisi casting combo, is that going to stay a regular thing?
Anyone else feel that Ryung has gotten a bit lucky in the last two rounds? I thought Shine was going to eliminate him previously, and Ragnorok just blew a lead in game one of their series? I'm happy for Ryung, but I was excited for Shine after he beat Hyun earlier.
i appreciate the offer of free 780p, but it's worthless to me if i can't watch it at this quality. stream freezes, ghosts, hangs, and lags. 480 still has hiccups but it far far better. i don't know what the deal is tonight b/c i've never had problems with your stream before. please fix whatever is causing this.
On January 31 2012 15:00 GrimReefer wrote: i appreciate the offer of free 780p, but it's worthless to me if i can't watch it at this quality. stream freezes, ghosts, hangs, and lags. 480 still has hiccups but it far far better. i don't know what the deal is tonight b/c i've never had problems with your stream before. please fix whatever is causing this.
awesome tourney, keep it up!
Might be a temporary routing issue or something. I had this happen a couple weeks ago and went away after a day. I'm on 720p+ with 0 lag.
On January 31 2012 09:29 WigglingSquid wrote: Lol, Orb! "So much splash damage", one overlord taking full damage and dying while just a second one goes down to half health. =p
Haha you got me. Dunno what I was thinking there, seems my mouth went blabbering without my brain
On January 31 2012 09:29 WigglingSquid wrote: Lol, Orb! "So much splash damage", one overlord taking full damage and dying while just a second one goes down to half health. =p
Haha you got me. Dunno what I was thinking there, seems my mouth went blabbering without my brain
When you talk non-stop for 6 hours, it's understandable and almost impossible to not mis-say something here and there lol
On January 31 2012 09:29 WigglingSquid wrote: Lol, Orb! "So much splash damage", one overlord taking full damage and dying while just a second one goes down to half health. =p
Haha you got me. Dunno what I was thinking there, seems my mouth went blabbering without my brain
Don't worry, I suppose that every caster needs to emphatically call for "things that will likely happen" every now and then; it is just hard to cast this kind of battles without slipping. I just found it very funny to watch.
I highly doubt Dream has ever played against something like this . Even if you're worse then your opponent mechanically if he can't figure you out and reacts totally wrong you'll win.
On February 01 2012 09:46 s3rp wrote: I highly doubt Dream has ever played against something like this . Even if you're worse then your opponent mechanically if he can't figure you out and reacts totally wrong you'll win.
I think you're selling naama short, his mechanics are very good, he demolished leenock on stream with a 1 rax FE build in a straight up game without an scv train
On February 01 2012 09:46 s3rp wrote: I highly doubt Dream has ever played against something like this . Even if you're worse then your opponent mechanically if he can't figure you out and reacts totally wrong you'll win.
I think you're selling naama short, his mechanics are very good, he demolished leenock on stream with a 1 rax FE build in a straight up game without an scv train
Maybe but still i think beeing unpredictable is def. a good trait to have though especially against Koreans .
On February 01 2012 09:46 s3rp wrote: I highly doubt Dream has ever played against something like this . Even if you're worse then your opponent mechanically if he can't figure you out and reacts totally wrong you'll win.
I think you're selling naama short, his mechanics are very good, he demolished leenock on stream with a 1 rax FE build in a straight up game without an scv train
Maybe but still i think beeing unpredictable is def. a good trait to have though.
Love the casting duo, been a big fan of adebisi for quite some time. Keep up the good work, although sometimes hard for me (european) to watch it all during week days.
would you guyz think about getting backgrounds, for instance seeing a room behind you that isn't tidy makes me cringe, day9 has a wall behind him with game posters. sorry to be mean
On February 01 2012 10:20 TibblesEvilCat wrote: would you guyz think about getting backgrounds, for instance seeing a room behind you that isn't tidy makes me cringe, day9 has a wall behind him with game posters. sorry to be mean
Your post made me cringe. Guess why? Sorry to be mean.
Today I was tuning in like I usually do as I enjoy watching good games of SC2. I decided to post a comment in the chat about...
I like the games being shown on ESVTV, I like the stats, the win/loss ratio and other production aspect you guys have. However I dislike how the casters are always focusing on the negitive aspect of a players style and how everything is easy to talk about in hindsight. They seem to forget that the players dont have the Fog of War removed and can't see the whole game.
This comment (or something very similar) started a chat session that had no trolling/insults and some constructive critisim, which liven up a somewhat dead chat.
This invoked ESVDiamond to clear the chat, change the mode to subscriber chat only, tell us to manner up and basically censor a reasonable chat.
Your business model must include revenue from Ads and Subscribers, insulting us, having bad manners and treating viewers like childrens is no way to increase either of these. Don't use the "free entertainment" argument, without people watching like myself, you cease to make money.
Today I was tuning in like I usually do as I enjoy watching good games of SC2. I decided to post a comment in the chat about...
I like the games being shown on ESVTV, I like the stats, the win/loss ratio and other production aspect you guys have. However I dislike how the casters are always focusing on the negitive aspect of a players style and how everything is easy to talk about in hindsight. They seem to forget that the players dont have the Fog of War removed and can't see the whole game.
This comment (or something very similar) started a chat session that had no trolling/insults and some constructive critisim, which liven up a somewhat dead chat.
This invoked ESVDiamond to clear the chat, change the mode to subscriber chat only, tell us to manner up and basically censor a reasonable chat.
Your business model must include revenue from Ads and Subscribers, insulting us, having bad manners and treating viewers like childrens is no way to increase either of these. Don't use the "free entertainment" argument, without people watching like myself, you cease to make money.
/EndRant
I have to agree with this. I'm not a fan of the player bashing by the casters either. Maybe it's just Orb's tone of voice. I know he doesn't mean it but it just comes off as arrogant. As for the chat, I remember one time Orb was arguing on stream with someone on chat because the viewer said that ww meant well won. Orb banned him for it and called it on stream.
Besides the player bashing and the chat, I really want to thank you guys for doing the weeklies.
Today I was tuning in like I usually do as I enjoy watching good games of SC2. I decided to post a comment in the chat about...
I like the games being shown on ESVTV, I like the stats, the win/loss ratio and other production aspect you guys have. However I dislike how the casters are always focusing on the negitive aspect of a players style and how everything is easy to talk about in hindsight. They seem to forget that the players dont have the Fog of War removed and can't see the whole game.
This comment (or something very similar) started a chat session that had no trolling/insults and some constructive critisim, which liven up a somewhat dead chat.
This invoked ESVDiamond to clear the chat, change the mode to subscriber chat only, tell us to manner up and basically censor a reasonable chat.
Your business model must include revenue from Ads and Subscribers, insulting us, having bad manners and treating viewers like childrens is no way to increase either of these. Don't use the "free entertainment" argument, without people watching like myself, you cease to make money.
/EndRant
I cannot comment on the original comment (I did not see it). However chat has been out of hand all day, and while most larger channels are moving to subscriber only, we are doing EVERYTHING we can to keep the chat open. Although maybe your comment was ok, there was hundreds of bullshit ones and that was the ones I was upset about.
I am trying to keep it open for all, but if I am going to keep catching shit for it, we can move to subscriber only like Shoutcraft or Day9tv. I should have already but I like chatting with people, and like everyone to be able to chat.
On February 01 2012 12:22 Diamond wrote: I cannot comment on the original comment (I did not see it). However chat has been out of hand all day, and while most larger channels are moving to subscriber only, we are doing EVERYTHING we can to keep the chat open. Although maybe your comment was ok, there was hundreds of bullshit ones and that was the ones I was upset about.
I am trying to keep it open for all, but if I am going to keep catching shit for it, we can move to subscriber only like Shoutcraft or Day9tv. I should have already but I like chatting with people, and like everyone to be able to chat.
I understand what you are saying, I understand you need ban trolls, spammers, idiots insulting others etc. But at the time of what I was talking about, none of that was happening, 90%+ of comments happening at the time of the lockdown were about the game being played or about things already happening in chat (5% were day9's head emoticon spam...).
From my point of view, chat was disagreeing with you, you decided to censor the whole chat as a result. I may be wrong but that was my viewpoint.
I appreciate what you guys do and I am a fan of ESVTV and tune in regularly, but I disagree with how you handled the situation and I feel you overstepped the mark on this one.
Continue the good work you guys do and I will continue to watch.
Wow, that was such a crazy display of talent and skill by Taeja. If Taeja could play like that in the GSL, he would be top 5 Terran in the world easily.
The French rebroadcast are continuing today with day 2 of week 2 ! Don't miss the occasion to relive the action in French if you're either French, interested in learning French or just want to see the matches again !
On February 02 2012 08:29 Therg wrote: Is it just me, or is jookTo playing REALLY bad?
No, that was some pretty terrible play. Why would anyone go for 2 base muta all-in? Still Namaa had a very solid build and did a lot of dmg with that early pressure, maybe jookTo got abit shaken and decided to go for a wierd all-in.
Well, jookto went for a two-base all-in as a follow-up to taking a lot of damage early. But naama had his tank etc up and if it wasnt because of a small over-extension of the marines outside of the protection of the tanks, he would have won earlier. In any case, it's a hard map for zerg to all-in against tanks^^
What the fuck was Naama doing then? And when he pulled scvs in game 2 and then threw away all his marine to zergling surround... He was playing so good in previous rounds and game 1 and just what the fuck
I really enjoyed his games this tournament and i'm sad
The more games I watch on this map, the worse it looks to me for Zerg.. It's easy to talk about counter attack paths, but when you have bunkers and Planetary Fortresses and Siege tanks, it's not very effective to counter attack with so many chokes, and Mutas seem especially ineffective because of the way the bases are positioned.
Seal had no real reason not to be able to defend his bases, I reckon. Too bad, because if he had the economy to sustain some simple ling/bane defense and support to the main army, he could have won.
I say this twice a week every week. Taeja is so good. The guy has the answer to anything anyone throws at him. Insantly. There's not even half a second of decision making. Nothing shows how much a Korean practice regiment pays off more than watching Taeja in the Korean Weekly.
Taeja has no fear of banelings running after them with marines only, but fungals hits him hard. But jookTo overbuilding ultras a bit alone they are not good. But didn't expected ultras to do so good on this map (despite building too many). This map is just cool.
taeja failing a bit with the basetrade x3, could have used one cc for scans x3.
The observing is bad this game. Follow armies. Show the planetary dieing. Stop using the camera to make a point (hes gonna have to make an extractor->clicks on gas). Do your analyses with pure vocals, and keep the camera on armies.
PLEASE USE FOLLOW UNIT MORE (that goes to all casters)
This map is awesome, the island bases are really starting to look key. If taeja had taken an island base this would probably be over. As I write this though it looks like this game might reset as Taeja takes both island bases.
On February 02 2012 12:33 Baffels wrote: This map is awesome, the island bases are really starting to look key. If taeja had taken an island base this would probably be over. As I write this though it looks like this game might reset as Taeja takes both island bases.
i think if he would have used that one cc for scaning he could have had cloaked banshees by the time taeja was starting his hatch after the long distance mining brought him back on 300. Now its close again, probably better for the zerg.
Except that it took him long enough to understand there was a creep tumor... Seemed like he didn't fully aknowledge the map ? Edit : Seriously wtf is up with jookto ? Feels like he's playing really poorly on purpose ?
I don't understand taeja at all, if he'd just been making shit he could do something. I mean, 6k min 1.5k gas, and only 100 supply. Build a couple more starports/barracks, you have room dammit.
He might still accomplish something since jookto is doing nothing with his money either, but jeez...
On February 02 2012 12:42 ThaZenith wrote: I don't understand taeja at all, if he'd just been making shit he could do something. I mean, 6k min 1.5k gas, and only 100 supply. Build a couple more starports/barracks, you have room dammit.
He might still accomplish something since jookto is doing nothing with his money either, but jeez...
jookto is much more puzzling. Bottom island basically had around 6 marines and 2 turrets for 10 mins and he had enough gas for what 20 mutas? Instead he gives a free base and spends 15 mins trying to defend from two points.
if taeja loses then because of fungal hitting 100 units always. And omg this map mined out in a bit wtf.
and oh yeah, those tumors are invisible to the players, probably Taeja really didn't know and because the overlord was putting creep down maybe he thought it would be the ovi, haha wonderful mind game by jookTo if intended, but i doubt it.
On January 31 2012 10:30 Tachion wrote: I've seen so many games of alive and he just......has no recognizable style whatsoever. Completely generic Terran, he just seems to pull it off better than others.
IMHappy is kind of like that too. extremely standard
Happy is a stylistic mech player and I feel one of his strong points is his extremely good army positioning (even when not meching).
I think what the previous poster meant was you just don't know how aLive wins games, which is kinda how I feel. There's nothing distinctive about him that puts him a notch above others, yet he continuously wins games.
If you watch him vs. Jinro, even though Jinro has some slight build order wins in the early game, Alive just has better macro or something. I don't really understand how on the Ohana or Cloud Kingdom game that he got such a huge worker and production advantage other than Jinro had some slight inconsistency in his macro that Alive didn't have, and such a fine edge at pro-level really grinds out into a decent advantage, which Alive then uses to secure victory with superior engagements (ignoring the fact that Jinro kind of messed up both engagements in those games).
Game 3 his banshee just did more than my banshee did... And I fucked up the final fight hugely by not being in position and not having killed my rocks pre-emptively =/
Seriously, this game is just a big f*****g joke. Feels like they gave thier comp to their coach and let them finish their way. Never seen such poor micro since the sc2's beta... oO
I feel like Zergs is still so underexplored in terms of "tactics", for so many minutes JookTo was just "making more ultras", getting fungals and making ultras. That cant be all there is to Zerg.
On February 02 2012 12:52 Techno wrote: I feel like Zergs is still so underexplored in terms of "tactics", for so many minutes JookTo was just "making more ultras", getting fungals and making ultras. That cant be all there is to Zerg.
Well he did have a spire etc. He just didn't switch. If he had switched to broodlords or gotten a nidus that game would of been 20-30 minutes shorter.
wtf was that... gota be one of the worst games i have ever seen. jookto waits 5 mins before starting greater spire then doesnt make a single broodlord, even when the terran had only marines and no vikings. doesnt even try to scout what the terran had on the bottom island which was nothing.
While that burrowed bane play from Jook was sexy, I have to admit, every game there except for the second where jookto got a significant early lead, Taeja just looked SO much more solid. The dude's a complete complete beast at the TvZ and his positioning on EVERY map was impeccable, as were his marine spreads. I literally don't know how you can deal with that as zerg, Jook seemed to set up his flanks correctly and everything. I think it mainly came down to the fact that Taeja was able to get his positions and Jook wasn't like DRG, charging in when he thought he was ready, he never seemed sure of himself, and that just cemented Taeja's positions. Was a great series to see from a T perspective, and I think jook can learn alot about his ZvT from those gmaes
Really Sick!!! Fnatic picks up aLive and then he reaches GSL Code S RO8 and wins the ESV TV/Twitch TV Korean Weekly S2!!! Really really awesome! aLive improved so much! Good reading from fnatic! Picked up a really strong Terran who beats Curious and GumiHo (who beats MVP, so he must be really good too).
No! Damn you alive, this was Taeja's tournament to win!
Kidding aside, congrats on the win aLive, really impressive showing over the past few days, advancing all the way to the Ro8 without dropping a game, and now winning the Korean Weekly. Representing the new team well.
On February 02 2012 14:45 JtoK wrote: Really Sick!!! Fnatic picks up aLive and then he reaches GSL Code S RO8 and wins the ESV TV/Twitch TV Korean Weekly S2!!! Really really awesome! aLive improved so much! Good reading from fnatic! Picked up a really strong Terran who beats Curious and GumiHo (who beats MVP, so he must be really good too).
It's more about him finally performing, it's always been said he's one of the sickest in practice.
Taeja was pretty seriously practicing for his Code A match that's why he's not in. Also frankly it's borderline pointless since he's already I think triple qualified for this one.
On February 06 2012 09:35 Starcraftplaylist wrote: You should invite naniwa! No taeja to win this either? Anyway, thanks for months of entertainment!
Naniwa was invited A LONG time ago and never responded. So that one is on him.
On February 06 2012 09:38 Diamond wrote: Taeja was pretty seriously practicing for his Code A match that's why he's not in. Also frankly it's borderline pointless since he's already I think triple qualified for this one.
"I don't know if waiting for the mothership is the correct choice, it doesn't matter if you have vortex when your opponent can just instantly remax" Followed by "Well, forget the mothership, when a player reaches 8 colossus the game is over, that's how pvp works" Followed by "They don't understand how pvp works"
You got to love how orb was saying he shouldnt wait for a mothership and then after the battle he says it was the right choice. ahah Talk about talking threw your butt.
On February 07 2012 08:53 R!! wrote: "I don't know if waiting for the mothership is the correct choice, it doesn't matter if you have vortex when your opponent can just instantly remax" Followed by "Well, forget the mothership, when a player reaches 8 colossus the game is over, that's how pvp works" Followed by "They don't understand how pvp works"
That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
All good thats Orb for you, anyways the games are great most of the time, and that is what counts.
On February 07 2012 09:06 s4life wrote: tod that was pretty dumb man.. just go with 4 lots and kill his base dude
Sending 4 zealots would be just as dumb, he could send at most 2 zealots, he needed to have a good amount in his base to keep the stalkers from running carelessly in circles till they killed every probe.
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
Sure, you can be critical, but not overly critical whist sounding like you could do much better in any given day of the week, and he needs to use his words more carefully, things can get pretty insulting.
On February 07 2012 09:14 Starcraftplaylist wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
Sure, you can be critical, but not overly critical whist sounding like you could do much better in any given day of the week, and he needs to use his words more carefully, things can get pretty insulting.
Have you heard of Artosis? He criticizes freaking GSL Code S players way worse than Orb.
Wow that was pathetic, I mean at least since he had early expo'd when Desrow saw that wall in he should have just backed out and waited to see what was gonna happen. However I'm doubtful he would have thrown up a Robo in time let alone get an Obs out to stop the Banshee. Just horrible play from Desrow, and good standard play from Jinro.
On February 07 2012 09:14 Starcraftplaylist wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
Sure, you can be critical, but not overly critical whist sounding like you could do much better in any given day of the week, and he needs to use his words more carefully, things can get pretty insulting.
I think you are reading too much into what he's saying. Don't take his criticism of the players personally, if anyone was to care it should be the players themselves. And for the record yes sometimes Orb and other casters can get ahead of themselved when stating players mistakes, especially when using observer bias, but in general he's actually really good at knowing what went wrong and definitely knows what he's talking about.
On February 07 2012 09:14 Starcraftplaylist wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
Sure, you can be critical, but not overly critical whist sounding like you could do much better in any given day of the week, and he needs to use his words more carefully, things can get pretty insulting.
I have never seen the commentary as insulting. I guess it depends on how you think about it. I'm 100% sure he does not hold himself to the same standards, but it's inevitable that he compares the participants gameplay to the same standards as the top players.
On February 07 2012 09:14 Starcraftplaylist wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
Sure, you can be critical, but not overly critical whist sounding like you could do much better in any given day of the week, and he needs to use his words more carefully, things can get pretty insulting.
Have you heard of Artosis? He criticizes freaking GSL Code S players way worse than Orb.
Artosis has arguably much more credentials, having played in code A himself, and still, I don't agree with what he does either.
On February 07 2012 09:14 Starcraftplaylist wrote:
On February 07 2012 09:00 R!! wrote: That's one of the reasons I don't like watching ESV Weekly, orb is generally too conceited and arrogant when talking about these extremely good players' play ( that obviously have a much bigger understanding than any caster out there), when he doesn't actually know what he is talking about.
You may be critical about about how they play even if they are better than you. Orb has very good knowledge and some mistakes are obviously very easy to call out even if you in some cases have a less game knowledge. Predictions and theory crafting is way more interesting than the guys who just shout out what happens on the screen.
Sure, you can be critical, but not overly critical whist sounding like you could do much better in any given day of the week, and he needs to use his words more carefully, things can get pretty insulting.
I think you are reading too much into what he's saying. Don't take his criticism of the players personally, if anyone was to care it should be the players themselves. And for the record yes sometimes Orb and other casters can get ahead of themselved when stating players mistakes, especially when using observer bias, but in general he's actually really good at knowing what went wrong and definitely knows what he's talking about.
I will try to see his commentary in a different light.
On February 07 2012 09:37 Azhrei16 wrote: I'm not sure if Desrow just isn't that great or if Jinro has really improved his play. Count me in as impressed.
The first one. desrow throughout the series just looked...confused and outplayed. Nice nukes though.
On February 07 2012 09:37 Azhrei16 wrote: I'm not sure if Desrow just isn't that great or if Jinro has really improved his play. Count me in as impressed.
Well, Jinro did take one game off Alive to lose 2-1 in a recent series. I am not sure about how the games worked out though.
On February 07 2012 09:37 Azhrei16 wrote: I'm not sure if Desrow just isn't that great or if Jinro has really improved his play. Count me in as impressed.
Well, Jinro did take one game off Alive to lose 2-1 in a recent series. I am not sure about how the games worked out though.
Well his micro does seem much better and I like the decisions he's making. Being really aggressive is pretty neat too. Hopefully we can see him in an upcoming major tournament where he plays in multiple series.
On February 07 2012 09:31 R!! wrote: Artosis has arguably much more credentials, having played in code A himself, and still, I don't agree with what he does either.
I guess you like a different type of commentary then, which is fine. I think it's a bit silly to require some form of commentator achievements to validate the quality of the analysis and predictions though.
On February 07 2012 09:51 Al Bundy wrote: Dude Naama, CANCEL YOUR FUCKING BANSHEE!!! Kyrix saw everything man. You're not a bot, why don't you change your strat
But, but he's naama! What's he supposed to do in a sc2 game without his banshees?
Naama was screwed regardless of the outcome of that fight. He was on 1 base vs 2 base for so long, he had no way to rebuild his army properly at that point.
On February 07 2012 09:51 Al Bundy wrote: Dude Naama, CANCEL YOUR FUCKING BANSHEE!!! Kyrix saw everything man. You're not a bot, why don't you change your strat
But, but he's naama! What's he supposed to do in a sc2 game without his banshees?
On February 07 2012 09:37 Azhrei16 wrote: I'm not sure if Desrow just isn't that great or if Jinro has really improved his play. Count me in as impressed.
Well, Jinro did take one game off Alive to lose 2-1 in a recent series. I am not sure about how the games worked out though.
He played 2-1 against Taeja in one of the ESV weeklys from december also. Lately Jinros TvT has looked really strong, but he seems really confused in TvZ and TvP.
Maybe naama just don't know how to play late-game. Great multi-tasking and control, but really unrefined and apparently just cant transit to that fourth base and towards the 200 mark.
Pretty terrible game in terms quality of play, so painful to watch Namaa almost lose that game when he was so far ahed so many times and he had so many chances to win.
Well, he was also very far behind, but came back through a pretty amazing attack on three bases at the same time..
*Remember, this wasn't the usual long game, where the players just camp til max and best possible army. There were constant action for 40 minutes. It's easy to judge that from the outside
I hate watching these "take a third then try to have Roaches out at the perfect time so that I can defend the attack" ZvPs. Hopefully something changes in the matchup.
On February 07 2012 11:33 softan wrote: So I guess we're back to
OMG thank you for that, I can't stop laughing
Losing those scvs was one of the best things that could have happened for jinro in that position, tails never got his fourth and as long as he pushes back and counters after killing those colossi he can take it with a MUCH larger army
edit: that made me sad =( I forgot how hard to pressure p on daybreak up that main ramp, it was a good decision but I guess with that 4th snipe he was down too far economically gogogo g3
Ye Tales didn't win that game it was Jinro that lost it. I feel like Jinro threw that away. But I guess that's easy to say when you have a birds eye view on everything. But I don't understand why he didn't drop Tales when he was contained by him, it would have done loads of damage I think.
That was a really silly mistake by Jinro flying his command center back to the fourth when he knew the Protoss army was outside of his base, probably lost him the game.
On February 07 2012 11:53 softan wrote: Ye Tales didn't win that game it was Jinro that lost it. I feel like Jinro threw that away. But I guess that's easy to say when you have a birds eye view on everything. But I don't understand why he didn't drop Tales when he was contained by him, it would have done loads of damage I think.
Didn't really have the medivacs to drop, only had 2, which was KIND of a mistake but when in TvP you have to produce 3 vikings per colossus, just so hard to find the gas and build time for medivacs (let alone the gas for ghosts as well)... Late TvP is so difficult to deal with in the macro.
On February 07 2012 11:53 softan wrote: Ye Tales didn't win that game it was Jinro that lost it. I feel like Jinro threw that away. But I guess that's easy to say when you have a birds eye view on everything. But I don't understand why he didn't drop Tales when he was contained by him, it would have done loads of damage I think.
Didn't really have the medivacs to drop, only had 2, which was KIND of a mistake but when in TvP you have to produce 3 vikings per colossus, just so hard to find the gas and build time for medivacs (let alone the gas for ghosts as well)... Late TvP is so difficult to deal with in the macro.
Ye I guess you're right. Maybe a slightly lower viking count but higher medivac cound AND not losing his command center would have been enough though for him to win.
I hope Jinro can pull out a win in game 3 after kind of falling apart in the second half of game 2. His first three games today were great, but beating desrow is very different from beating Tails. Great to see him actually winning some games though.
God the twitchtv app is so bad. For every hour I watch I probably watch 15 minutes of what I've already seen as it endlessly cycles through qualities. Atrocious.
In other news, gg tails. It's weird though. When I see him stream he takes the worlds greediest thirds usually. Strange to see him two basing so hard but it worked.
On February 07 2012 12:38 m0ck wrote: I think there's a fair chance that naama is gonna end up as TLO. Funny builds, mediocre results.
I feel Naama already has better tournament results than TLO and his ability to control and multitask to get the most out of his unit compositions puts him ahead of many foreigners, I feel once he gets more out of Korean training he will be a very strong contender for code A. Too many people discount him because of his buids
On February 07 2012 12:38 m0ck wrote: I think there's a fair chance that naama is gonna end up as TLO. Funny builds, mediocre results.
I feel Naama already has better tournament results than TLO and his ability to control and multitask to get the most out of his unit compositions puts him ahead of many foreigners, I feel once he gets more out of Korean training he will be a very strong contender for code A. Too many people discount him because of his buids
I don't know about that, I think his decision making is probably what lets him down. Had basically no vikings, had half his army out in the middle of nowhere... Lets a protoss player max out and doesn't get his own upgrades. All sorts of things just letting him down in this match up. Not polished I'd call it even though it's fun to watch.
I just cant understand what Naama is doing. Like, going 1/0 when the protoss is 3/3, with marines/tanks against a protoss army .. i mean, marines really are weak when they are alone against a protss army, and everybody knows that every single protoss unit (except maybe sentries) counter siege tanks ... charge zealots, blink stalker, phoenix, immortals ... not that i'm bashing Naama, i just don't understand what he did. He was like "hey, this is some free wins for you man".
I hope someone can explain me what was the purpose of his build. I'm switching terran recently, and i dont understand how this could be good against a late game protoss army.
On February 07 2012 12:38 m0ck wrote: I think there's a fair chance that naama is gonna end up as TLO. Funny builds, mediocre results.
I feel Naama already has better tournament results than TLO and his ability to control and multitask to get the most out of his unit compositions puts him ahead of many foreigners, I feel once he gets more out of Korean training he will be a very strong contender for code A. Too many people discount him because of his buids
I don't know about that, I think his decision making is probably what lets him down. Had basically no vikings, had half his army out in the middle of nowhere... Lets a protoss player max out and doesn't get his own upgrades. All sorts of things just letting him down in this match up. Not polished I'd call it even though it's fun to watch.
That's why I never listed decision making as his strongsuit ^^
On February 07 2012 12:49 Supter wrote: I just cant understand what Naama is doing. Like, going 1/0 when the protoss is 3/3, with marines/tanks against a protoss army .. i mean, marines really are weak when they are alone against a protss army, and everybody knows that every single protoss unit (except maybe sentries) counter siege tanks ... charge zealots, blink stalker, phoenix, immortals ... not that i'm bashing Naama, i just don't understand what he did. He was like "hey, this is some free wins for you man".
I hope someone can explain me what was the purpose of his build. I'm switching terran recently, and i dont understand how this could be good against a late game protoss army.
On February 07 2012 13:17 Shellshock1122 wrote: How did Jinro's series with Tails go? He obviously lost but were they close games?
He was playing pretty solid all around, lost a kind of heart breaking game to a very weirdly time 6 gate. (Tails went for like, 3 gate robo, then added in 3 more gates and basically committed to a 6 gate before really scouting anything with the obs, kind of a good meta game play on Metropolis to delayed 6 gate all in because the Terran won't expect it, and of course Jinro had gone the standard 1 rax CC CC build)
Cyrano dint take out yoda, symbol did. Just figured you wanted to get your info right :p
Awesome with these things tho
There's nothing in that article that says Cyrano took out YoDa, it says "took on" (which i guess you might have misread) and hasn't been updated since it was published, so the facts are all accurate.
On February 07 2012 07:17 dragonborn wrote: where is TAiLS in preview?
This kid beat NesTea and MVP in GSTL.
Generally with the preview I try to give lesser known names more exposure, like a few weeks/months ago I did for a lot of the Chinese players since no one really knew much about them
But I'll definitely keep TAiLS in mind for next time
Every time Jinro plays in this, he always loses 1-2 Same with his GSL qualifiers. I get the feeling that he's really on the cusp of breaking out again, and that there is just some small things holding him back, such as his mentality against zerg and protoss.
I really like the way match-up (zvp, pvt, etc) statistics are shown and the way orb draws on the map as he explains map features. It's pretty informative and entertaining.
Macsed played alright. His first initial engagement when his army was split was horrible (no storms, feedbacks, etc) but he still managed to muscle through.
Keen did not focus fire the colossi, two (if not three) of them were on very low health before the stalkers joined in and just kept lawnmowing the bio force.
I've never seen a game of this awesome Brood War pro called Hyun where he didn't just get absolutely rolled or cheesed. What's the deal? I thought he was supposed to crush everyone..?
On February 08 2012 09:18 turamn wrote: I've never seen a game of this awesome Brood War pro called Hyun where he didn't just get absolutely rolled or cheesed. What's the deal? I thought he was supposed to crush everyone..?
I've only seen him win 1 game...and that was in a bo3 which he ended up losing. It might be a bit late for the lower level BW pros to catch up at this point. And make no mistake, Hyun was not "this awesome Brood War pro." He switched to SC2 because no BW team would sign him.
On February 08 2012 09:18 turamn wrote: I've never seen a game of this awesome Brood War pro called Hyun where he didn't just get absolutely rolled or cheesed. What's the deal? I thought he was supposed to crush everyone..?
I've only seen him win 1 game...and that was in a bo3 which he ended up losing. It might be a bit late for the lower level BW pros to catch up at this point. And make no mistake, Hyun was not "this awesome Brood War pro." He switched to SC2 because no BW team would sign him.
On February 08 2012 09:18 turamn wrote: I've never seen a game of this awesome Brood War pro called Hyun where he didn't just get absolutely rolled or cheesed. What's the deal? I thought he was supposed to crush everyone..?
I've only seen him win 1 game...and that was in a bo3 which he ended up losing. It might be a bit late for the lower level BW pros to catch up at this point. And make no mistake, Hyun was not "this awesome Brood War pro." He switched to SC2 because no BW team would sign him.
He was on MBC's A team.
I mean yeah, that's definitely an accomplishment in itself, but as far as achievements I don't think he really had any other taking some games off some big names here and there. From what I can remember, he was never really consistent enough to make deep into any pro season, but I could be mistaken and maybe he is this awesome BW pro as you claim, but from what I remember, he wasn't. Feel free to jog my memory though as I didn't really follow him.
double nydus ... why do people build them together. entrance is so fast and with 2 exists on different bases you can do way more, especially since the network is more stable. and drop + those networks on the islands = he would never have found out. (huge gas investment but morrow has it and would gain 4 sneaky extractors.)
few banelings in the nydus makes even the worm pretty save too against marine drops.
That was such a crazy game. I think the air upgrade difference is what made the...umm...difference. Amazing how fast those Vikings went down even with the Corruptors getting shot by the Thors.
so funny to see the terran having no idea how to break morrow. While morrow is satisfied to not attack. And no upgrades on air for the terran as well which is horribad. Still nice defense with the spines and spores against the ghosts from morrow, makes up for the bad nydus use. Morrow should have sieged that middle right expansion from the terran ... creep tumor from the high ground to the bottom attack the tumor with broodlords, cancel the tumor, send the lowground broodlings on attack move into the expansion, Repeat. pretty annoying for the terran to deal with units that cost nothing attacking. while the spawners sit in the opponents base.
On February 08 2012 10:31 Devolved wrote: That was such a crazy game. I think the air upgrade difference is what made the...umm...difference. Amazing how fast those Vikings went down even with the Corruptors getting shot by the Thors.
Corruptors have 2 base armor. With the +3 upgrade, and the thors on +1 upgrade, the Corruptors are taking 2 damage per rocket.
They can tank that shit all day.
So foresighted of Morrow to drop double spire and sink all the resources into getting +3 armor (which nobody really ever does).
It takes 11 snipes to kill a ultra, that means you need 12 ghosts with full energy and a fresh one (with mobius reactor) to have enough energy to kill 9 ultras charging at your face, but regardless, assuming you have MVP's APM, you might at most actually kill 4 of them before they reach you, I'm just really tired of hearing that ghosts are imba and then proceeding to see every terran using them getting crushed like it's no thing (e.g NaDa yesterday with his infinite money/ ghosts) by either zerg air/ultras, bane, infestor.
Orb so happy ^^ I remember orb mentioning nod using islands in the first ever KW I watched and every game since then. It's definitely the most underused late game tool in the zergs arsenal
On February 08 2012 10:32 FeyFey wrote: so funny to see the terran having no idea how to break morrow. While morrow is satisfied to not attack. And no upgrades on air for the terran as well which is horribad. Still nice defense with the spines and spores against the ghosts from morrow, makes up for the bad nydus use. Morrow should have sieged that middle right expansion from the terran ... creep tumor from the high ground to the bottom attack the tumor with broodlords, cancel the tumor, send the lowground broodlings on attack move into the expansion, Repeat. pretty annoying for the terran to deal with units that cost nothing attacking. while the spawners sit in the opponents base.
Morrow's APM was already really stretched. This is no slam against Morrow -- he's a hell of a player. But with all the craziness going on there, he had better uses of his clicks than cancelling tumors.
Hack should have had +3 weapons on vikings at least. There's no reason not to.
MorroW delayed his third and forth all to long, he was really indecisive in a lot of moments (running his army in to the siege line just to decide that he didnt want to commit to it and losing all his banes, trying to bust through Lifes third and then not comitting to it etc.)
On February 08 2012 12:49 pwnopotamus wrote: Rooting for Sase there, but ugh...that's so freakin broken.
I feel like cytoplasm could have won that game, but the just got too passive. He let SaSe max again. and waited for the mommship to come out. he wasn't even sieging the third.
sodijufsifdusduf can he stop talking about how tails can die to 4gate? only way you die to 4gate on 1 base w/ ramp post-patch is if your F button is broken....
this is why tastosis is so much better than any other casters, they actually play the game...
On February 09 2012 10:38 red4ce wrote: Oooh Sase is doing well. I don't think we've ever had a non-Korean make the finals of the Korean weekly. Go Sase!
I think the success of the ST Protosses recently's been rubbing off on SaSe!
On February 09 2012 10:38 red4ce wrote: Oooh Sase is doing well. I don't think we've ever had a non-Korean make the finals of the Korean weekly. Go Sase!
I think the success of the ST Protosses recently's been rubbing off on SaSe!
It might be mutual. Sase is a really smart player, he may be helping them (similar to Huk being a big resource to oGs.)
On February 09 2012 11:00 FreudianTrip wrote: How can you mis-click between E and C. If the guys clicking on the pictures I'm so fucking mad at how bad I am.
On February 09 2012 10:38 red4ce wrote: Oooh Sase is doing well. I don't think we've ever had a non-Korean make the finals of the Korean weekly. Go Sase!
I think the success of the ST Protosses recently's been rubbing off on SaSe!
It might be mutual. Sase is a really smart player, he may be helping them (similar to Huk being a big resource to oGs.)
I was just kidding around. It just seems hilarious given how Ace, Squirtle, and Parting have finally been getting some nice break-throughs in the GSL, followed by SaSe and Ace in this Weekly.
Sase up 2-0 and still playing ? Is this the finals, semies ? Omfg, I watched Sase all evening, and obviously when I stop watching he makes a deep run and I miss it. FML.
On February 09 2012 11:00 FreudianTrip wrote: How can you mis-click between E and C. If the guys clicking on the pictures I'm so fucking mad at how bad I am.
C and V with grid.
Ah ok. I found the idea of a Korean with 300 APM clicking the pictures like a beast hilarious though. Shame.
On February 09 2012 11:07 MrCon wrote: Sase up 2-0 and still playing ? Is this the finals, semies ? Omfg, I watched Sase all evening, and obviously when I stop watching he makes a deep run and I miss it. FML.
Semis = Bo5. Finals = Bo7? I'm not sure about the latter.
On February 09 2012 11:07 MrCon wrote: Sase up 2-0 and still playing ? Is this the finals, semies ? Omfg, I watched Sase all evening, and obviously when I stop watching he makes a deep run and I miss it. FML.
It should be the semis right now. If he wins, he'll be meeting TAiLS in the finals.
On February 09 2012 11:07 MrCon wrote: Sase up 2-0 and still playing ? Is this the finals, semies ? Omfg, I watched Sase all evening, and obviously when I stop watching he makes a deep run and I miss it. FML.
Semis = Bo5. Finals = Bo7? I'm not sure about the latter.
ROFLSTOMPED edit : Sase for code S foreign invite =) In the thread where people are discussing this, no one (me included) thought about Sase, but if he wins this this'll be a great boost to his confidence.
On February 09 2012 11:37 FreudianTrip wrote: I took the 5 minute break to grab a snack. We had no bread so I had Asparagus wrapped in Ham. I'm so fucking European.
EUROPE! FUCK YEAH! [/teameurope]
GoGo Sase!
I got biscuits and Vegemite...we shall be brothers in country stereotypes
On February 09 2012 11:37 FreudianTrip wrote: I took the 5 minute break to grab a snack. We had no bread so I had Asparagus wrapped in Ham. I'm so fucking European.
EUROPE! FUCK YEAH! [/teameurope]
GoGo Sase!
Asparagus at this time of the year? Never seen that.
Man the choice in colors is not ideal: yellow vs orange. Very hard to see which units are which on the minimap in the stream. What is wrong to having playing do red vs blue ? Or if color blindness is an issue chose something that is fairly different.
Looks awesome! Rooting for all the ZeNEX guys, hoping for TREME vs Naama.
Does anybody know who TSL.LHC is? I've never heard of him but if he's a new TSL player that sounds good. I hope he can do well too, in that case (or is LHC just a new ID for one of the old TSL guys?).
On February 09 2012 11:53 Diamond wrote: LHC is TSL's new coach or something. I think they brought in a strat coach like SlayerS but I'm not 100% positive.
Ugh, that blink timing attack from Sase was pathetic. He could have forcefielded the ramp and attacked Tails main so easily then been able to blink out, but instead he waited forever and let tails rock his 2 base econ.
Hey some time ago I though I heard orb saying that if you donate you get access to replays but I can't find confirmation anywhere. Can someone tell me if it's true(if it is, a link to where I donate) or if I misheard?
On February 10 2012 09:05 dmnum wrote: Hey some time ago I though I heard orb saying that if you donate you get access to replays but I can't find confirmation anywhere. Can someone tell me if it's true(if it is, a link to where I donate) or if I misheard?
That was an old program, and frankly was stopping a lot of top layers from joining. So no replays now, just ad free, cool icon, and supporting ESports!
On February 10 2012 09:05 dmnum wrote: Hey some time ago I though I heard orb saying that if you donate you get access to replays but I can't find confirmation anywhere. Can someone tell me if it's true(if it is, a link to where I donate) or if I misheard?
That was an old program, and frankly was stopping a lot of top layers from joining. So no replays now, just ad free, cool icon, and supporting ESports!
On February 10 2012 09:05 dmnum wrote: Hey some time ago I though I heard orb saying that if you donate you get access to replays but I can't find confirmation anywhere. Can someone tell me if it's true(if it is, a link to where I donate) or if I misheard?
That was an old program, and frankly was stopping a lot of top layers from joining. So no replays now, just ad free, cool icon, and supporting ESports!
I think I must have missed like 3 or 4 KW since your day 1, and I didn't knew that. How can I subscribe ? I don't have ads in France (twitch really has to do something about that, each time I see ads in progress and I don't have ads my little sick heart is bleeding)
I missed the start of the second game. Did Protoss triple pylon again forcing the roaches or was it just a roach all-in? With WG already done and 8 million cannons and 3 sentries it seemed a pretty weak all-in.
On February 10 2012 09:18 FreudianTrip wrote: I missed the start of the second game. Did Protoss triple pylon again forcing the roaches or was it just a roach all-in? With WG already done and 8 million cannons and 3 sentries it seemed a pretty weak all-in.
On February 10 2012 09:18 FreudianTrip wrote: I missed the start of the second game. Did Protoss triple pylon again forcing the roaches or was it just a roach all-in? With WG already done and 8 million cannons and 3 sentries it seemed a pretty weak all-in.
Yea it was the 3p block cannon rush.
My fav strat ^^
Does ESV not believe in Neutral Supply Depots then? Not a criticism btw just wondering.
Miya was amazing, very clean play, rode the advantage he got in early game all the way to a late game victory. The attention to detail he showed was amazing, burrowed zerglings and overlords, decent creep spread, and amazing ovie coverage in the air space between the two bases. Colour me impressed.
On February 10 2012 10:37 Al Bundy wrote: What happened??? I missed the game thanks to my fucking awful ISP
I missed the beginning but cArn did Reaper expand, the reaper rush failed. Life took a fast third. Life got 4 lings in to cArns natural got 2 scv kills, then 4 scv kills in his main. After getting a full scout he busted through and took the game.
(I wasnt paying my full attention because I'm watching Lucky vs MMA in the MLG Winter Arena Qualifiers and Empire vs CoLMVP in the IPL arena at the same time as this so its kind a hard to catch everything, might've missed something).
On February 10 2012 10:37 Al Bundy wrote: What happened??? I missed the game thanks to my fucking awful ISP
I missed the beginning but cArn did Reaper expand, the reaper rush failed. Life took a fast third. Life got 4 lings in to cArns natural got 2 scv kills, then 4 scv killes in his main. After getting a full scout he busted through and took the game.
Man this game make me so mad, Sase played almost perfectly, but even with 30 cannons and 3 archons he still getts baseraced and lose, bah... I think Zenio is a great player, but I honestly dont think the best player in this game won :/
On February 11 2012 09:07 Atoissen wrote: Man this game make me so mad, Sase played almost perfectly, but even with 30 cannons and 3 archons he still getts baseraced and lose, bah... I think Zenio is a great player, but I honestly dont think the best player in this game won :/
Yeah right... Because microing 2 separate groups of Mutas on 2 different parts of the map takes no skill... All Sase did was to make a friggin deathball, but he's the more skilled player...
this game just shows how ridicilous pvz atm is, without mass phoenix, canons and good hts storms u can do nothing but hey, its hard for zerg to just buield spines and push the drohne muta button.
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
What?
it's pronounced "gron pree"
I don't know what kind of situation anyone cares about using the original foreign pronunciation, but this isn't one of them. I've personally always hear is as 'grand pree' and always said it that way.
Maybe some nascar hipsters would use 'gron', but i wouldn't know about that.
wow horrible storm/forcefield control by the toss at the end ^^. Next time he should force field the ramp before moving away from it, and then he could have moved into the main without problems, while the forcefields where up. Forcefields aren't only for reaction. Losing against zergies and mutas if you have storm and forcefields left is really saddening. Not that at that point there still was a chance for the toss, but could have put up a fight atleast.
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
What?
it's pronounced "gron pree"
I don't know what kind of situation anyone cares about using the original foreign pronunciation, but this isn't one of them. I've personally always hear is as 'grand pree' and always said it that way.
Maybe some nascar hipsters would use 'gron', but i wouldn't know about that.
well, in europe (germany) you are basically considered a retard if you don't pronounce it correctly, everybody knows it because of the eurovision song contest (formerly grand prix eurovision de la chanson)
it's one of those words you just have to pronounce the original way like coup de grace, you just don't say cup de graiz
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
What?
it's pronounced "gron pree"
I don't know what kind of situation anyone cares about using the original foreign pronunciation, but this isn't one of them. I've personally always hear is as 'grand pree' and always said it that way.
Maybe some nascar hipsters would use 'gron', but i wouldn't know about that.
well, in europe (germany) you are basically considered a retard if you don't pronounce it correctly, everybody knows it because of the eurovision song contest (formerly grand prix eurovision de la chanson)
it's one of those words you just have to pronounce the original way like coup de grace, you just don't say cup de graiz
no offense of course
not just Europe, many english speaking countries follow it
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
What?
it's pronounced "gron pree"
I don't know what kind of situation anyone cares about using the original foreign pronunciation, but this isn't one of them. I've personally always hear is as 'grand pree' and always said it that way.
Maybe some nascar hipsters would use 'gron', but i wouldn't know about that.
I was always under the impression everyone pronounced it as 'gron pree' o_O
I really want to see Hyuns games from the GSL qualifiers, just doesn't make sense watching his play now...I don't think he understands how to engage army vs army....yet.
On February 11 2012 09:25 DropTester wrote: grand prix is pronounced with an o sound isnt it? It was a little painful hearing the caster say grand so many times in a row
What?
it's pronounced "gron pree"
I don't know what kind of situation anyone cares about using the original foreign pronunciation, but this isn't one of them. I've personally always hear is as 'grand pree' and always said it that way.
Maybe some nascar hipsters would use 'gron', but i wouldn't know about that.
well, in europe (germany) you are basically considered a retard if you don't pronounce it correctly, everybody knows it because of the eurovision song contest (formerly grand prix eurovision de la chanson)
it's one of those words you just have to pronounce the original way like coup de grace, you just don't say cup de graiz
no offense of course
If you pronounced it "gron" in Norwegian I would definitely look at you like a pretentious freak. Norway is also a european country, just saying.
sick pvp, i really hope they go for chargelot, carrier, ht, if you are maxed out on upgrades and basically have infinite money, it's the best pvp unit comp i think
poof energy gone from the mothership, could have sniped the ms with the 3 carriers already though. Still a nice game, finally it was shown in pvp that you can't go 10 colossus and hope to win, i hope pvp will get better on ladder now ! ... kidding free wins for everyone still.
Hoo, an oGs zerg in a semi final of something, is this the twilight zone ? Hum, watching the bracket he made it that far only on ZvZ. Too bad oGsJ did beat SlayersMiya, Miya displayed an impressive vT, would have loved to see him going far. There's a pretty nice new wave a zergs now that I think about it. Symbol, Life, Line, Realmaker, Miya, some of them should explode soon imo.
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