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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:40 Olinimm wrote: What do tournament winnings have to do with anything? By that logic PuMa is the 5th most talented player in the world. PuMa is ridicolous underrated. Easily one of the most consistent Terrans in Tournaments. | ||
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TemplarCo.
Mexico2870 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:50 GodOfWar wrote: PuMa is ridicolous underrated. Easily one of the most consistent Terrans in Tournaments. Except GSL where he loses first round in Code A Quals every time. | ||
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baoluvboa
743 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On December 23 2011 12:39 Seeker wrote: I honestly think HerO's got a very good chance. Look at all these players and what they have accomplished. Luvsic has 0 achievements, and so does YuGiOh. JYP and Clide each have like 2 things they've won and the only one who's accomplished as much as HerO is July. Since the top 2 of the group advance, why can't it be HerO and July? this is the GSL. If HerO is that good. He woulda secured Code S seasons ago. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:12 baoluvboa wrote: I don't know if I would put Puma into top 10 Korean terran list but he does well in foreign tournaments. Top 10? Top 5 you mean. He comes 3rd in Total prize money behind MVP and MMA, and won far more in SC2 than for example Bomber, GanZi or similar Code S Terrans In the end, its all about money, why should he care about peoples oppinions. | ||
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Vertig0
United States196 Posts
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ninjamyst
United States1903 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:24 GodOfWar wrote: Top 10? Top 5 you mean. He comes 3rd in Total prize money behind MVP and MMA, and won far more in SC2 than for example Bomber, GanZi or similar Code S Terrans In the end, its all about money, why should he care about peoples oppinions. I am sorry but it's ridiculous to call Puma top 5 since he has no achievements in GSL. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much if you can't win or place high where the real competitions are. | ||
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XRaDiiX
Canada1730 Posts
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:24 GodOfWar wrote: Top 10? Top 5 you mean. He comes 3rd in Total prize money behind MVP and MMA, and won far more in SC2 than for example Bomber, GanZi or similar Code S Terrans In the end, its all about money, why should he care about peoples oppinions. Flo, who was recently signed to Quantic Gaming, is 131st overall in prize money. Would you rank her in the Top 150 Players in the world even though all her prize money came from an invitational female-only tournament? Earnings is not an appropriate judge of skill level. | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
Being unlucky in GSL in a Bo1 series is nothing to blame him for. WC3 top favorite Moon lost in his group at WCG in the same manner. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:37 GodOfWar wrote: There were lots of high calibre MLG tournaments where he did well. Being unlucky in GSL in a Bo1 series is nothing to blame him for. WC3 top favorite Moon lost in his group at WCG in the same manner. Code A Qualifiers is Best of 3. | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:37 GodOfWar wrote: There were lots of high calibre MLG tournaments where he did well. Being unlucky in GSL in a Bo1 series is nothing to blame him for. WC3 top favorite Moon lost in his group at WCG in the same manner. Moon was not a favorite | ||
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GodOfWar
870 Posts
"ok" dawg | ||
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BlingRush
84 Posts
July Clide Hero Yugioh.. hope 2 of these make it through | ||
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Packawana
United States1081 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:34 ninjamyst wrote: I am sorry but it's ridiculous to call Puma top 5 since he has no achievements in GSL. Winning foreign tournaments doesn't mean much if you can't win or place high where the real competitions are. Lol, if foreign tournaments don't count as competition then I don't know what the hell you call Providence or Dreamhack. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:54 Packawana wrote: Lol, if foreign tournaments don't count as competition then I don't know what the hell you call Providence or Dreamhack. The point is that it's not all about prize money. By that logic, players like Rainbow, Rain, Socke, and Select (all of whom are okay/pretty good or at least used to be) are in the top 30 best players in the world, while Loner is in the top 40. Meanwhile, we completely disregard all 32 players in Code S while we watch Naniwa (one of the 15 best players in the world according to the silly earnings metric) and Thorzain (top 30 by the silly metric) lose in the first round of Code A. | ||
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babylon
8765 Posts
He was. I dunno if I'd say he was the top favorite, but there were plenty of pro players saying right before WCG that he looked like he could take it. Had a bad day though, etc. Happens. This War3 WCG was pretty bleh except for Fly vs. Lyn, which makes sense, since they were the only two players who played like they belonged in the tournament. Everyone else played really bad and sloppy. | ||
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andrea20
Canada441 Posts
On December 23 2011 13:58 HolyArrow wrote: The point is that it's not all about prize money. By that logic, players like Rainbow, Rain, Socke, and Select (all of whom are okay/pretty good or at least used to be) are in the top 30 best players in the world, while Loner is in the top 40. Meanwhile, we completely disregard all 32 players in Code S while we watch Naniwa (one of the 15 best players in the world according to the silly earnings metric) and Thorzain (top 30 by the silly metric) lose in the first round of Code A. You didn't even have to try that hard. FruitDealer is the 2nd zerg in all-time winnings but he's had the largest (and saddest) fall from grace. Started at 25-7, and has gone 20-34 since then, losing 260 ELO points. That's a shocking 37% win rate. No one would suggest calling him the second-best zerg today. | ||
Chrian
United States1472 Posts
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