• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 21:28
CEST 03:28
KST 10:28
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun13[ASL21] Ro8 Preview Pt1: Inheritors16[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt2: All Star10Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists22[ASL21] Ro16 Preview Pt1: Fresh Flow9
Community News
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event8Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results02026 GSL Season 1 Qualifiers25Maestros of the Game 2 announced92026 GSL Tour plans announced15
StarCraft 2
General
Code S Season 1 - RO12 Group A: Rogue, Percival, Solar, Zoun Code S Season 1 (2026) - RO12 Results Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - The Finalists Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool MaNa leaves Team Liquid
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 5 - Qualifiers and Main Event GSL Code S Season 1 (2026) SC2 INu's Battles#15 <BO.9 2Matches> WardiTV Spring Cup SEL Masters #6 - Solar vs Classic (SC: Evo)
Strategy
Custom Maps
[D]RTS in all its shapes and glory <3 [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 523 Firewall Mutation # 522 Flip My Base Mutation # 521 Memorable Boss
Brood War
General
Why there arent any 256x256 pro maps? ASL21 General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ BW General Discussion Pros React To: Leta vs Tulbo (ASL S21, Ro.8)
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro8 Day 2 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Escore Tournament StarCraft Season 2 [BSL22] RO16 Group Stage - 02 - 10 May
Strategy
Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Any training maps people recommend?
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Daigo vs Menard Best of 10 Dawn of War IV Diablo IV
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Vanilla Mini Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia
Community
General
European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread 3D technology/software discussion Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread McBoner: A hockey love story Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
streaming software Strange computer issues (software) [G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Sexual Health Of Gamers
TrAiDoS
lurker extra damage testi…
StaticNine
Broowar part 2
qwaykee
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1275 users

[NASL] S2 Grand Finals Day 3 - Page 219

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 217 218 219 220 Next
Anyone who continues this absolutely terrible off topic time of play debate from page 11 and onward will be banned.

The same goes for the regular crowd of:

-Balance whiners
-Stream whiners
-Event and caster bashers
-HoN vs LoL vs Dota debaters

Stick to the games and enjoy your free event.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
December 05 2011 12:18 GMT
#4361
On December 05 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 19:29 ondik wrote:
So how were the finals? Cheesefest from puma as usually?


As usually? rofl.

I'm also interested how the games were. Grats to Puma though.


Just in case ppl still want to know what happened between PuMa and HerO

HerO vs PuMa NASL Grand Finals

PuMa vs HerO Game 2
PuMa vs HerO Game 3
PuMa vs HerO Game 4
PuMa vs HerO Game 5
PuMa vs HerO Game 6
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 05 2011 12:21 GMT
#4362
NASL is like the last kid of the familly, no matter how good they will do (amazing casting team, nice production value, great games) they are always getting shit for not doing exactly like their brothers and sisters.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42394 Posts
December 05 2011 12:26 GMT
#4363
On December 05 2011 21:18 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote:
On December 05 2011 19:29 ondik wrote:
So how were the finals? Cheesefest from puma as usually?


As usually? rofl.

I'm also interested how the games were. Grats to Puma though.


Just in case ppl still want to know what happened between PuMa and HerO

HerO vs PuMa NASL Grand Finals

PuMa vs HerO Game 2
PuMa vs HerO Game 3
PuMa vs HerO Game 4
PuMa vs HerO Game 5
PuMa vs HerO Game 6


Thanks buddy, i appreciate the LR! Keep up the good work.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 05 2011 12:28 GMT
#4364
Thank you Seeker for those LR.
It hurts my heart to see HerO lose.
I had a good night of sleep.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37076 Posts
December 05 2011 12:32 GMT
#4365
You're welcome guys. Enjoy them!

And yes, my heart broke too when I saw HerO GG. But at the same time, since he already won in DH, I think it was only fair that PuMa grabbed this one
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
Sunrunner
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
December 05 2011 12:42 GMT
#4366
Do we know how many people were at the event each day?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 05 2011 12:55 GMT
#4367
It's hard to keep track of. I've read all from 30 to 300 in the first day. Maybe it will say in the recap that I assume will come eventually.
Tanngrisnir
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 14:20:49
December 05 2011 14:11 GMT
#4368
I have to say that this was better then expected, I did enjoy the final day quite a bit.

Good job on the live finals NASL, not a MLG or IPL yet but this was pretty good.


I do have some critisism regarding the regular season play:
I didnt watch many games this season simply because it was a downgrade to me from season 1. Same problems still there and even escalated this time.

Im a high masters terran player in europe and I have to say when I watch games from big events like these I watch them for the entertainment foremost. Other then that I guess im interested to see what all the terran players come up with for these events.
I do not watch these events for education and I think hardly anyone does. If I want to improve I will practice, or studdy a player, or listen to a expert like Day9.
It is very counterproductive when a caster/host is trying to explain gametheory while im trying to enjoy the game. It ruins the experience alot!
If you want a expert sidekick to your host then thats all cool, but make sure it is a expert and not just a ex. player that you assume has alot of insight. And note: beside the Host/Caster.

No, next season you need a host whos quality is to Cast the games, make them entertaining and colorful like a DjWHEAT, TotalBiscuit, CatsPajamas etc etc..



Also the production quality needs to be stepped up alot during season play. If you want us to keep watching the league games where no money is on the line for the single games people will be playing during that, then you need a GREAT production that binds us.
We need a show with rock music, INTENSE action and colorful hosts bringing the show guys. We cant have this low pace production and staggard akward talk in between games.

A league of this magnitude really should not suffer this problem. Because yes, this feedback has been given a million times around the community and nothing happens. Until it does people will never enjoy NASL like they could, and should be able to.
God of thunder, god of pain!
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
December 05 2011 14:27 GMT
#4369
On December 05 2011 21:18 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote:
On December 05 2011 19:29 ondik wrote:
So how were the finals? Cheesefest from puma as usually?


As usually? rofl.

I'm also interested how the games were. Grats to Puma though.


Just in case ppl still want to know what happened between PuMa and HerO

HerO vs PuMa NASL Grand Finals

PuMa vs HerO Game 2
PuMa vs HerO Game 3
PuMa vs HerO Game 4
PuMa vs HerO Game 5
PuMa vs HerO Game 6


Thanks man appreciate it! :D
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
RastaMonsta
Profile Joined October 2011
304 Posts
December 05 2011 15:05 GMT
#4370
ugh was soo hoping for a HerO victory. Puma just played better, congrats
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
December 05 2011 15:15 GMT
#4371
are vods going to be uploaded for this?
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
December 05 2011 15:16 GMT
#4372
any chance to watch the finals as an european who could impossibly watch the live broadcast?
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
December 05 2011 15:21 GMT
#4373
looking forward to watch the finals since i missed it...

at least saw the semis , but the finals just started at 4 am in my country and i work in the morning...

I was hoping Hero won after those games at mlg but you cant win all the time..
ja foste
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
December 05 2011 15:39 GMT
#4374
Great series — game 4 was totally crazy — definitely one to watch on the VODs
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 05 2011 15:43 GMT
#4375
On December 06 2011 00:16 Xadar wrote:
any chance to watch the finals as an european who could impossibly watch the live broadcast?


The only way you get access is by purchasing a Season Pass
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 15:46:00
December 05 2011 15:45 GMT
#4376
Korea doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for NA, does tailor it's broadcasts for EU, doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for anyone. Why does EU feel like they're the only group that has to watch stuff @ ridiculous hours?

GSL - 2:10 AM. Dreamhack - 5-6 AM(?) for Pacific NA.
The universe created an audience for itself.
NHL Fever
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 16:28:37
December 05 2011 16:04 GMT
#4377
NASL finals were pretty awesome in terms of the matches, but still a lot of other issue. I don't know what changed this year, but the production quality seemed really low. Last year it seemed basically professional, like there was a good looking desk and the finals looked like a real event. This year the desk looked really cheap, and a blue-screen effect behind the casters was very evident. At the finals it kind of just looked like a few dozen people gathered in some guys dimly-lit basement using a camcorder. The games of course looked fine, as the game itself is not affected by the environment. Day 9 and husky were awesome as usual. When Day 9 was talking to the crowd on Day 1, it had the same look as a scene in one of the those late-80's action movies where a drug deal is taking place in a dark, empty, haze-filled warehouse. Lag issues were present, however for reasons I can't explain, lag seemed to only happen when watching via nasl.tv, on twitch it seemed to be fine. Internet for me is 50mb/s, no its not my internet. I agree with those who say that having matches weeks ahead really mutes the excitement. One way to guarantee you will push away viewers, is to make them wait 3-4 weeks after a match to find out one player did not show up. Oh, and the red carpet was.......awkward.

On the good side, were the presence of Puma and Hero in the finals and the great matches they played. Also Orb is a really great caster. I have no doubt Gretorp is a great person, hard working, and has passion for the game/community etc. I think he is knowledgeable as well, but the fact is that he is not good at casting. It takes away from games to have him cast. I wonder if he could use his energies in some other role for NASL. I realize its disheartening to hear things like that, but its also honest. He just talks for the sake of talking sometimes, the turns of phrase he uses don't even make sense or relate to the game quite often. Vocabulary is poor, that is the main problem. Also please, please shave, you are on camera. A person can't be good at everything, I'm sure he's good at plenty of things, but casting is the only side we are aware of because its public. I will say Gretorb is still a step above the moletrap-diggity casting we endured last year 'shudder'.

Regarding timing, it ran quite late. Maybe delays account partly for this, I'm not sure. For people in Europe, obviously they can't accommodate the entire world's schedule. On the other hand, the timing made it challenging to watch for the largest portions of the north American viewing audience as well. I'm 1 time zone west of the east coast, and even then it is a sacrifice to stay up an watch, the cost being tiredness at work the next day. The enormous east coast population has that problem compounded. I think this was a mistake. Have the finals around 5 or 6 pm west coast time, and all of north America can comfortably watch. Europe also has an easier time. Put HoN in the afternoon. No hate to HoN, but nobody really cares about it.

For those of you pointing out GSL is at a terrible time, what you are forgetting is that GSL knows how to produce VOD's. NASL has a MAJOR struggle with this. You don't have to stay up until 4am to watch GSL. Within HOURS the vod's are available. Wake up, and fire one up. NASL sometimes takes WEEKS to get vods up. If you could wake up saturday morning and watch vods from Friday's games, all this time zone stuff would be irrelevant. But that is dreaming I think.
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
December 05 2011 17:10 GMT
#4378
On December 06 2011 00:45 Mortal wrote:
Korea doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for NA, does tailor it's broadcasts for EU, doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for anyone. Why does EU feel like they're the only group that has to watch stuff @ ridiculous hours?

GSL - 2:10 AM. Dreamhack - 5-6 AM(?) for Pacific NA.


Because it is possible to broadcast at great times for US and still ok times for EU like MLG does, which obviously will give you a lot more viewers than just cutting of EU completley like they did with the finals.

They don't have to obviously, but it certainly would be in their best interest if they ever want to reach similiar viewer numbers like MLG or even Dreamhack.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 05 2011 17:40 GMT
#4379
We had a pretty solid turnout day 3 .... Saturday was okay , friday wasnt too grest , obviously ...
twitter.com/xerislight -- follow me~~
chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
December 05 2011 18:26 GMT
#4380
On December 05 2011 15:11 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 15:10 chatuka wrote:
NASL was really good.. Just find a more appreciative location.. NASL San Fran/Vancouver, Chicago, Dallas, COlumbus, Boston
Even Oklahoma city, Des Moines, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, would be better venues. Since these locations have tons of kids of LOVE SC2.. LA is full of Hollywood not SC2


What are you talking about? LA is one of the best places for esports and especially SC2.

The problem was Ontario, California. Not Los Angeles. MLG Anaheim had probably the biggest/second biggest crowd of the year for MLG. Also don't forget the Blizzcon finals...

Oklahoma City? Salt Lake City? What.


you could be right about that. i was just disappointed by the turnout.
Prev 1 217 218 219 220 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Replay Cast
00:00
2026 GSL S1: Ro12 Group B
CranKy Ducklings89
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
PiGStarcraft492
SpeCial 152
RuFF_SC2 152
NeuroSwarm 126
StarCraft: Brood War
NaDa 37
MaD[AoV]14
Dota 2
monkeys_forever805
League of Legends
Doublelift4158
JimRising 605
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King60
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor122
Other Games
gofns15700
tarik_tv14500
summit1g7079
kaitlyn49
ViBE41
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick496
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream46
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• EnkiAlexander 54
• davetesta33
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• RayReign 36
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1907
Upcoming Events
RSL Revival
8h 32m
herO vs TriGGeR
NightMare vs Solar
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
12h 32m
BSL
17h 32m
IPSL
17h 32m
eOnzErG vs TBD
G5 vs Nesh
Patches Events
22h 32m
Replay Cast
1d 7h
Wardi Open
1d 8h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 8h
Jaedong vs Light
Monday Night Weeklies
1d 14h
Replay Cast
1d 22h
[ Show More ]
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Snow vs Flash
WardiTV Invitational
2 days
GSL
3 days
Classic vs Cure
Maru vs Rogue
GSL
4 days
SHIN vs Zoun
ByuN vs herO
OSC
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
Escore
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Invitational
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
CranKy Ducklings
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
SHIN vs Bunny
ByuN vs Shameless
WardiTV Invitational
6 days
BSL
6 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Escore Tournament S2: W5
WardiTV TLMC #16
Nations Cup 2026

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
ASL Season 21
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
IPSL Spring 2026
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 2
KK 2v2 League Season 1
Acropolis #4
SCTL 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 5
2026 GSL S1
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026

Upcoming

BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
Maestros of the Game 2
2026 GSL S2
Stake Ranked Episode 3
XSE Pro League 2026
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.