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Anyone who continues this absolutely terrible off topic time of play debate from page 11 and onward will be banned.

The same goes for the regular crowd of:

-Balance whiners
-Stream whiners
-Event and caster bashers
-HoN vs LoL vs Dota debaters

Stick to the games and enjoy your free event.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
December 05 2011 12:18 GMT
#4361
On December 05 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 19:29 ondik wrote:
So how were the finals? Cheesefest from puma as usually?


As usually? rofl.

I'm also interested how the games were. Grats to Puma though.


Just in case ppl still want to know what happened between PuMa and HerO

HerO vs PuMa NASL Grand Finals

PuMa vs HerO Game 2
PuMa vs HerO Game 3
PuMa vs HerO Game 4
PuMa vs HerO Game 5
PuMa vs HerO Game 6
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
TL+ Member
WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
December 05 2011 12:21 GMT
#4362
NASL is like the last kid of the familly, no matter how good they will do (amazing casting team, nice production value, great games) they are always getting shit for not doing exactly like their brothers and sisters.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
December 05 2011 12:26 GMT
#4363
On December 05 2011 21:18 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote:
On December 05 2011 19:29 ondik wrote:
So how were the finals? Cheesefest from puma as usually?


As usually? rofl.

I'm also interested how the games were. Grats to Puma though.


Just in case ppl still want to know what happened between PuMa and HerO

HerO vs PuMa NASL Grand Finals

PuMa vs HerO Game 2
PuMa vs HerO Game 3
PuMa vs HerO Game 4
PuMa vs HerO Game 5
PuMa vs HerO Game 6


Thanks buddy, i appreciate the LR! Keep up the good work.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
December 05 2011 12:28 GMT
#4364
Thank you Seeker for those LR.
It hurts my heart to see HerO lose.
I had a good night of sleep.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37095 Posts
December 05 2011 12:32 GMT
#4365
You're welcome guys. Enjoy them!

And yes, my heart broke too when I saw HerO GG. But at the same time, since he already won in DH, I think it was only fair that PuMa grabbed this one
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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Sunrunner
Profile Joined July 2011
United States80 Posts
December 05 2011 12:42 GMT
#4366
Do we know how many people were at the event each day?
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
December 05 2011 12:55 GMT
#4367
It's hard to keep track of. I've read all from 30 to 300 in the first day. Maybe it will say in the recap that I assume will come eventually.
Tanngrisnir
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden131 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 14:20:49
December 05 2011 14:11 GMT
#4368
I have to say that this was better then expected, I did enjoy the final day quite a bit.

Good job on the live finals NASL, not a MLG or IPL yet but this was pretty good.


I do have some critisism regarding the regular season play:
I didnt watch many games this season simply because it was a downgrade to me from season 1. Same problems still there and even escalated this time.

Im a high masters terran player in europe and I have to say when I watch games from big events like these I watch them for the entertainment foremost. Other then that I guess im interested to see what all the terran players come up with for these events.
I do not watch these events for education and I think hardly anyone does. If I want to improve I will practice, or studdy a player, or listen to a expert like Day9.
It is very counterproductive when a caster/host is trying to explain gametheory while im trying to enjoy the game. It ruins the experience alot!
If you want a expert sidekick to your host then thats all cool, but make sure it is a expert and not just a ex. player that you assume has alot of insight. And note: beside the Host/Caster.

No, next season you need a host whos quality is to Cast the games, make them entertaining and colorful like a DjWHEAT, TotalBiscuit, CatsPajamas etc etc..



Also the production quality needs to be stepped up alot during season play. If you want us to keep watching the league games where no money is on the line for the single games people will be playing during that, then you need a GREAT production that binds us.
We need a show with rock music, INTENSE action and colorful hosts bringing the show guys. We cant have this low pace production and staggard akward talk in between games.

A league of this magnitude really should not suffer this problem. Because yes, this feedback has been given a million times around the community and nothing happens. Until it does people will never enjoy NASL like they could, and should be able to.
God of thunder, god of pain!
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
December 05 2011 14:27 GMT
#4369
On December 05 2011 21:18 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 20:06 Grettin wrote:
On December 05 2011 19:29 ondik wrote:
So how were the finals? Cheesefest from puma as usually?


As usually? rofl.

I'm also interested how the games were. Grats to Puma though.


Just in case ppl still want to know what happened between PuMa and HerO

HerO vs PuMa NASL Grand Finals

PuMa vs HerO Game 2
PuMa vs HerO Game 3
PuMa vs HerO Game 4
PuMa vs HerO Game 5
PuMa vs HerO Game 6


Thanks man appreciate it! :D
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
RastaMonsta
Profile Joined October 2011
304 Posts
December 05 2011 15:05 GMT
#4370
ugh was soo hoping for a HerO victory. Puma just played better, congrats
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
December 05 2011 15:15 GMT
#4371
are vods going to be uploaded for this?
"Thanks for the kind words, but if SS is the most interesting book you've ever read, you must have just started reading a couple of weeks ago." - Mark Rippetoe
Xadar
Profile Joined October 2010
497 Posts
December 05 2011 15:16 GMT
#4372
any chance to watch the finals as an european who could impossibly watch the live broadcast?
tapk69
Profile Joined January 2011
Portugal264 Posts
December 05 2011 15:21 GMT
#4373
looking forward to watch the finals since i missed it...

at least saw the semis , but the finals just started at 4 am in my country and i work in the morning...

I was hoping Hero won after those games at mlg but you cant win all the time..
ja foste
pak150
Profile Joined September 2010
United States531 Posts
December 05 2011 15:39 GMT
#4374
Great series — game 4 was totally crazy — definitely one to watch on the VODs
MasterKush
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom568 Posts
December 05 2011 15:43 GMT
#4375
On December 06 2011 00:16 Xadar wrote:
any chance to watch the finals as an european who could impossibly watch the live broadcast?


The only way you get access is by purchasing a Season Pass
"Because, maybe, unlike what every whining kid on the internet thinks, terran actually isn't the easiest race? Shocking, I know." - Liquid`Jinro
Mortal
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
2943 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 15:46:00
December 05 2011 15:45 GMT
#4376
Korea doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for NA, does tailor it's broadcasts for EU, doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for anyone. Why does EU feel like they're the only group that has to watch stuff @ ridiculous hours?

GSL - 2:10 AM. Dreamhack - 5-6 AM(?) for Pacific NA.
The universe created an audience for itself.
NHL Fever
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada104 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-05 16:28:37
December 05 2011 16:04 GMT
#4377
NASL finals were pretty awesome in terms of the matches, but still a lot of other issue. I don't know what changed this year, but the production quality seemed really low. Last year it seemed basically professional, like there was a good looking desk and the finals looked like a real event. This year the desk looked really cheap, and a blue-screen effect behind the casters was very evident. At the finals it kind of just looked like a few dozen people gathered in some guys dimly-lit basement using a camcorder. The games of course looked fine, as the game itself is not affected by the environment. Day 9 and husky were awesome as usual. When Day 9 was talking to the crowd on Day 1, it had the same look as a scene in one of the those late-80's action movies where a drug deal is taking place in a dark, empty, haze-filled warehouse. Lag issues were present, however for reasons I can't explain, lag seemed to only happen when watching via nasl.tv, on twitch it seemed to be fine. Internet for me is 50mb/s, no its not my internet. I agree with those who say that having matches weeks ahead really mutes the excitement. One way to guarantee you will push away viewers, is to make them wait 3-4 weeks after a match to find out one player did not show up. Oh, and the red carpet was.......awkward.

On the good side, were the presence of Puma and Hero in the finals and the great matches they played. Also Orb is a really great caster. I have no doubt Gretorp is a great person, hard working, and has passion for the game/community etc. I think he is knowledgeable as well, but the fact is that he is not good at casting. It takes away from games to have him cast. I wonder if he could use his energies in some other role for NASL. I realize its disheartening to hear things like that, but its also honest. He just talks for the sake of talking sometimes, the turns of phrase he uses don't even make sense or relate to the game quite often. Vocabulary is poor, that is the main problem. Also please, please shave, you are on camera. A person can't be good at everything, I'm sure he's good at plenty of things, but casting is the only side we are aware of because its public. I will say Gretorb is still a step above the moletrap-diggity casting we endured last year 'shudder'.

Regarding timing, it ran quite late. Maybe delays account partly for this, I'm not sure. For people in Europe, obviously they can't accommodate the entire world's schedule. On the other hand, the timing made it challenging to watch for the largest portions of the north American viewing audience as well. I'm 1 time zone west of the east coast, and even then it is a sacrifice to stay up an watch, the cost being tiredness at work the next day. The enormous east coast population has that problem compounded. I think this was a mistake. Have the finals around 5 or 6 pm west coast time, and all of north America can comfortably watch. Europe also has an easier time. Put HoN in the afternoon. No hate to HoN, but nobody really cares about it.

For those of you pointing out GSL is at a terrible time, what you are forgetting is that GSL knows how to produce VOD's. NASL has a MAJOR struggle with this. You don't have to stay up until 4am to watch GSL. Within HOURS the vod's are available. Wake up, and fire one up. NASL sometimes takes WEEKS to get vods up. If you could wake up saturday morning and watch vods from Friday's games, all this time zone stuff would be irrelevant. But that is dreaming I think.
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
December 05 2011 17:10 GMT
#4378
On December 06 2011 00:45 Mortal wrote:
Korea doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for NA, does tailor it's broadcasts for EU, doesn't tailor it's broadcasts for anyone. Why does EU feel like they're the only group that has to watch stuff @ ridiculous hours?

GSL - 2:10 AM. Dreamhack - 5-6 AM(?) for Pacific NA.


Because it is possible to broadcast at great times for US and still ok times for EU like MLG does, which obviously will give you a lot more viewers than just cutting of EU completley like they did with the finals.

They don't have to obviously, but it certainly would be in their best interest if they ever want to reach similiar viewer numbers like MLG or even Dreamhack.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
December 05 2011 17:40 GMT
#4379
We had a pretty solid turnout day 3 .... Saturday was okay , friday wasnt too grest , obviously ...
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chatuka
Profile Joined July 2011
1351 Posts
December 05 2011 18:26 GMT
#4380
On December 05 2011 15:11 Fionn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 05 2011 15:10 chatuka wrote:
NASL was really good.. Just find a more appreciative location.. NASL San Fran/Vancouver, Chicago, Dallas, COlumbus, Boston
Even Oklahoma city, Des Moines, Las Vegas, Salt Lake, would be better venues. Since these locations have tons of kids of LOVE SC2.. LA is full of Hollywood not SC2


What are you talking about? LA is one of the best places for esports and especially SC2.

The problem was Ontario, California. Not Los Angeles. MLG Anaheim had probably the biggest/second biggest crowd of the year for MLG. Also don't forget the Blizzcon finals...

Oklahoma City? Salt Lake City? What.


you could be right about that. i was just disappointed by the turnout.
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