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On November 30 2011 07:43 Corrik wrote:
It doesn't really matter who they send out against SlayerS. Arguably only Incredible Miracle would have a chance at beating them in this type of setting. = /
No not at all, IM is bad at team leagues because mvp and Nestea suck in them. In a best of 9 series, I don't see any team beating slayers because the depth they have on their team. They could go to the 9th game and still have a top Code A player playing.
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On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0.
The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped.
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After like 10 wins they should give SlayerS the bonus pool they racked up and retire them from the league.
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On November 30 2011 08:04 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0. The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped.
Note, your original comment was, 'the Chinese got destroyed.' I'm merely stating that it's factually incorrect, unless you and I have a different understanding on the definition of "destroyed."
No one is arguing that Toodming is a better player than Ret or any of those other names you listed.
@Ruscour: Yeah, Xigua played WAY below his usual level at IEM.
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Even if TyLoo doesn't win... they surely have one of the most awesome logos ever created. I wouldn't count them out, though.
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I don't think that they can win... but i think they can at least take it to better than an AK by slayers anybody
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On November 30 2011 08:13 Qaatar wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:04 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0. The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped. Note, your original comment was, 'the Chinese got destroyed.' I'm merely stating that it's factually incorrect, unless you and I have a different understanding on the definition of "destroyed." No one is arguing that Toodming is a better player than Ret or any of those other names you listed. @Ruscour: Yeah, Xigua played WAY below his usual level at IEM.
Just because Toodming won 1 series against Ret who is extremely vunerable to cheese doesn't mean that the Chinese did not get dominated. Overall yes, they did get dominated. Its like in a bo7 series where a guy wins 1 game because of cheese but still loses 4-1, he got dominated.
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awesome, ipl bringing exposure to lesser known teams/players~!
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On November 30 2011 08:27 soulist wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:13 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 08:04 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 07:59 Qaatar wrote:On November 30 2011 07:56 soulist wrote:On November 30 2011 06:09 Joshy.IGN wrote:While it's true TyLoo is not well known, this tournament called Stars War 6 is to me the best example of how good Chinese players actually are at StarCraft 2: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/StarsWar_Killer_6Just look at those brackets and see that 3 of the top 4 were Chinese players. It is true though that none of them were on TyLoo, but it does show that just because you haven't heard of them doesn't mean they won't surprise you. =) Yet at all the other tournaments that the Chinese participated in they got destroyed(IEM, Blizzcon) At IEM, yes. At Blizzcon, Toodming was actually pretty good. Cheesy, but took a game off MVP, and beat Ret 2-0. The reason that he beat Ret is because Ret is extremely greedy and Toodming's cheese got the best of him. If Toodming would have played a Zerg that is not as greedy as Ret such as Leenock or Nestea, maybe even Idra since he has not been as greedy lately, he would have gotten roflstomped. Note, your original comment was, 'the Chinese got destroyed.' I'm merely stating that it's factually incorrect, unless you and I have a different understanding on the definition of "destroyed." No one is arguing that Toodming is a better player than Ret or any of those other names you listed. @Ruscour: Yeah, Xigua played WAY below his usual level at IEM. Just because Toodming won 1 series against Ret who is extremely vunerable to cheese doesn't mean that the Chinese did not get dominated. Overall yes, they did get dominated. Its like in a bo7 series where a guy wins 1 game because of cheese but still loses 4-1, he got dominated.
Are you actually trying to argue against results? Loner went 1-2 against both Sheth and Brat_ok, and he didn't play very well. Toodming went 2-0 Ret, 1-2 MVP, 2-1 Jazbas, and 0-2 Dimaga. That's 7-9 total in games by the two Chinese. That's dominated? Ok...
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I'm stoked for this match, I think it's only a matter of time before the Chinese scene starts owning it up... that said Slayers will probably win this easily. Props to IGN for giving the Chinese scene more exposure though.
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Another easy win for SlayerS I'm guessing ^_^
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Well, Tyloo is kinda more famous for WC3 right? I don't think they would stand a chance against SlayerS... but anyway hope there would be good games
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On November 30 2011 08:12 Corrik wrote:
After like 10 wins they should give SlayerS the bonus pool they racked up and retire them from the league.
lol I second this. Or they could re-use teams previously played in the league (oGs-TL in mind)
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If Slayers doesn't win at worst by 5-1 it will be a surprise, I would totally rofl if Slayers losses but that probably won't happen.
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On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O
I personally know a lot of americans like you.
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Tyloo may have a chance because Slayers wont be able to prepare against them that well...but yes, Slayers should take this no problem
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On November 30 2011 08:47 mcgriffin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 08:12 Corrik wrote:
After like 10 wins they should give SlayerS the bonus pool they racked up and retire them from the league. lol I second this. Or they could re-use teams previously played in the league (oGs-TL in mind)
TL may possibly be able to beat slayers if they use ogs members, and even then its tough.
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They shouldve never brought SlayerS into the team league.
No offence to any team in the world thats non korean
but I honestly do not think anyone out there can beat a High level Korean team
unless its a Korean team itself.
Dont think I hate, I love watching SlayerS everyweek
I just wish it wasnt a roll over everyweek(just about)
If they bring in a Korean team, it will just be GSTL(not to mention SlayerS being the only team to win it 2x)
I cant see any non-korean team taking a win from them
so if we bring in another korean team we are still in the same position.
Who will beat that Korean Team?
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On November 30 2011 09:12 chosenkerrigan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2011 06:08 Mohdoo wrote:
lol, chinese team. Slayers could send out Jessica and still go 5-0. I wish China was doing as well as they did in WC3, but it just aint happening. I hope that turns around soon, as the BW pros are slowly coming out of BW Korea.. O_O I personally know a lot of americans like you.
I've seen a lot of people on TL like you, who make condescending posts without backing up their opinion at all. It doesn't serve your purpose well and certainly adds nothing to the discussion. Care to enlighten me with tournament results that show Tyloo able to compete with slayers in a team league? Maybe something besides losing a couple series 1-2 instead of 0-2? China is great at dota and WC3. Its not like I'm china-bashing. Its just that their results have been extremely lacking and they make no effort to catch up by competing in foreign events.
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Really look forward to seeing more of the Chinese scene. If we want to grow the global Sc2, we need fans, lots of them, and China is a huge market for potential growth, and with an established WC3 fanbase, it is not unconceivable for the Chinese to start taking interest in SC2 if some of their players or teams become successful (national pride is huge in China).
That being said, Slayers will most likely dominate Tyloo
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