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Please stop the tournament comparison discussion. Especially regarding players their runs (Stephano seems to be the current topic). Stay on topic and stick to the games. Consequences will be met out to further derailment.

In addition leave the usual out of this topic:

-Balance complaints
-Map complaints
-Stream complaints
-Caster/player bashing
-Off topic discussions

Logically continue this list with things that are obviously frowned
upon. Enjoy the free and wonderful event with loads of games and coverage!
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
November 25 2011 17:51 GMT
#3421
"Wow, what a great audience"
Poisonblack
Profile Joined May 2011
452 Posts
November 25 2011 17:51 GMT
#3422
Tasteless... such a legend :p
Jiddra
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden2685 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:51:48
November 25 2011 17:51 GMT
#3423
On November 26 2011 02:50 tetrismaan wrote:
When will they play in the hockey arena?


tomorrow, it is a hockey game tonight. So they will setup during the night to be ready.
I am not young enough to know everything.
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
November 25 2011 17:51 GMT
#3424
damn sase playing the way korean protoss should play in this tourney -- but they don't.
FakeDeath
Profile Joined January 2011
Malaysia6060 Posts
November 25 2011 17:51 GMT
#3425
LOL cross position even better for DRG
Play your best
Elefanto
Profile Joined May 2010
Switzerland3584 Posts
November 25 2011 17:52 GMT
#3426
Nerchio a tad too greedy that game.
wat
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
November 25 2011 17:52 GMT
#3427
What was the map problem?
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 25 2011 17:52 GMT
#3428
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.
Off-season = best season
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:54:07
November 25 2011 17:53 GMT
#3429
bah messed up formatting
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-25 17:56:52
November 25 2011 17:53 GMT
#3430
On November 26 2011 02:45 Razuik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:40 Linwelin wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:35 doko100 wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:29 Zzzapper wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:25 doko100 wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:23 Zzzapper wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:20 Badfatpanda wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:18 Cyro wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:17 Badfatpanda wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:15 Bro_Stone wrote:
Apparently 6g is not all in after all lol...


it would have been if select teched, but the reason 6g is considered allin is because of delaying tech, medivacs destroy protoss gateway without aoe support, but since both players delayed tech for larger armies sentry zealot crushed selects force



No, it wouldnt have been, because he threw down double forge and twilight council for charge before he attacked and then instant templar archives when it finished


and select had a factory and starport down with double ebays....whats youre point, it happened after the attack which happened after the 10min mark...when sase goes colossus or zealot archon he has his tech buildings in place anywhere from 8-10min and stays defensive to hold agression


I don't think it was double ebay for Select. If it was he was using them very stupidly; he only did one upgrade at a time. And also he got his single ebay way later than Sase's double forge. With chrono, he would barely be on 1-1 when Sase was on 2-2 (if the forges weren't sniped.)


but you can't know that, if you see a 6 gate attack outside your natural you can't just go double ebay because you need medivac tech, but if the protoss just decides to tech and not attack you are behind in either tech or upgrades. fake 6 gate is almost loss/loss for terran unless you get a perfect read on your opponent and find the right timing to punish him.


My point wasn't that Select should've done something differently. I was just stating that he wasn't doing double ebay as the post before me stated. He chose the greedy, mineralbased fast third approach and thus he had to be pretty assuming with his defense (pulling scv alot against a fake all-in isn't that good for you)


It's not even greedy since he built 4 bunkers. Playing against a 6 gate as terran is quite possibly just the hardest thing in the game, if you just get a slight misread on your opponent you outright lose the game. It really isn't that simple, the only way select could have won was fast medivac tech off 2 base with ghosts, but you can't know that.

If the protoss attacks you with 6 gate you die when you tech too much, if he doesn't and techs and you don't you are behind in tech, if he doesn't attack and goes double forge and you don't go double ebay you are behind in upgrades, if he gets a third and you stay on 2 base there's a chance hell get way ahead in economy... it's just extremely hard for terran to play against 6 gate because you don't know if it's an all-in or not and there are so many different things you can do wrong. It's pretty much loss/loss for terran, there is no way to confirm what exactly the protoss is up to. You have to guess and be lucky.


And you were saying earlier than only Protosses complain..

It may be considered complaining but there is definitely some substance to what he's saying. Can't say I don't agree with some of his points =/.


I just find it really unfair that people say Select reacted badly. anyone who has ever played against a 6 gate knows that there is no right way to react, you have to guess what the protoss' plan is and then just go with it, if your guess was wrong you lose, if it was right you win. It's almost 90% luck based wether or not you can beat a 6 gate. and you can't really blame select that he didn't guess sase would go for double forge and archons since there are about 100 other things he could have done.

On November 26 2011 02:53 mrtomjones wrote:

Terran has something called a scan if they need to know what the other side is going.


You realize that protoss can proxy their gates and tech? In fact that's exactly what sase did, so what should select have done? save 20 scans and scan the entire bottom left side of the map. what if he proxies the gates and twilight on the right side of the map? it's what sase did, he proxied his buildings, so you can't just go "well scan" as that wouldn't change anything.

It just seems like you have a very low understanding of TvP if you think a scan helps you in such a situation.
imr.e
Profile Joined August 2011
112 Posts
November 25 2011 17:53 GMT
#3431
On November 26 2011 02:52 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.


mis managing your rally points will often result in painful losses...
Brutalin
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden74 Posts
November 25 2011 17:53 GMT
#3432
On November 26 2011 02:50 tetrismaan wrote:
When will they play in the hockey arena?


The finals will be played in the arena.
ztranger
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden57 Posts
November 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#3433
colMVPDRG vs LiquidHero currently
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
November 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#3434
I think DRG will go fast lair to nydus, he is still on gas!
FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
November 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#3435
On November 26 2011 02:52 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.


Yeah, there were literally no units in production for the longest, most crucial time... Can't win when that stuff happens, SaSe micro imo not so important here
Hierarch
Profile Joined February 2011
United States2197 Posts
November 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#3436
On November 26 2011 02:53 imr.e wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:52 Redox wrote:
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.


mis managing your rally points will often result in painful losses...


Happens to Ret all the time, he always has his overlords at the front and they all die
MC|NonY|HerO|NaDa|MVP|DRG|Ret|Sen|Dimaga|Leenock
zodde
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1908 Posts
November 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#3437
On November 26 2011 02:52 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.


Nerchio screwed up and SaSe won, so lame? Pretty sure that the colossus/warp prism micro won SaSe the game
WaSa
Profile Joined October 2011
Sweden749 Posts
November 25 2011 17:54 GMT
#3438
On November 26 2011 02:52 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.


wait nerchio did a mistake?! yeah really lame when a game gets decided when a one player make a mistake.
UBavarice
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden358 Posts
November 25 2011 17:55 GMT
#3439
On November 26 2011 02:52 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2011 02:50 MuseMike wrote:
SaSe bossing it up on a terrible map. The Warp Prism micro won him that game.

Nerchios hard supply block just before the push because of the stray overlords in the midfield won SaSe the game.
Really lame when a game gets decided by something like this.

I agree it's very anti-climactic. But at the same time, flying your overlords to safety is part of the stuff you have to do as a Z player against P aggression.
The Creator of the Universe, LG-IM.NesTea | The Gracken, IdrA | The Spoon Terran, "Big Papa" EG.ThorZaIN --- Fighting!!
Loxley
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Netherlands2480 Posts
November 25 2011 17:55 GMT
#3440
On November 26 2011 02:54 Tarotis wrote:
I think DRG will go fast lair to nydus, he is still on gas!


You called it!
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