EPTMLG Providence Day 3 Live Report Thread - Page 884
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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly: - NO Balance Whine. - NO Player Bashing. - NO Caster Bashing. - NO BM whatsoever. Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment. | ||
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JimSocks
United States968 Posts
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Snijjer
United States989 Posts
On November 22 2011 00:37 perestain wrote: Sorry, but I dont agree. The games were over the moment when 7 roaches arrived at naniwas natural and he had no cannons up because he failed to scout. The micro that followed was cute at times but not critical to the outcome whatsoever. Leenock didn't need exceptional micro against naniwa. He realized he just had to 7RR. Quite the elegant solution given how fatigued he must have been after his whole tournament run. The concept was exciting, but not the actual gameplay. The fact that he didn't need exceptional play to win says more about his opposition than anything else. | ||
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lorestarcraft
United States1049 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 22 2011 02:53 jj33 wrote: Not sure if this is serious, but if you are wow. Leenock outplayed naniwa hardcore. Leenock had an incredible run to the finals, the calibre of players he beat along the way was ridiculous. stop hating While I support the stopping of hatred, do you really think Leenock faced a better calibre of players, when Nani faced DRG, Nestea (twice), and MVP? I mean, Feel free to name which players Leenock faced who are better than Nestea and MVP. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:00 Zdrastochye wrote: While I support the stopping of hatred, do you really think Leenock faced a better calibre of players, when Nani faced DRG, Nestea (twice), and MVP? I mean, Feel free to name which players Leenock faced who are better than Nestea and MVP. Leenock beat MVP 2-0 idra 2-0 huk 2-0 drg 4-3 extended series mma 2-1 boxer 2-0 so yes, leenock faced more competition and just as hard competition or harder. He faced everyone naniwa faced except nestea. Oh and I never specifically said Leenock faced tougher competition than naniwa, I said his run was incredilbe and it was. But since you mentioned it, yes Leenock had a much more incredible run than naniwa due to the sheer volume of players he had to play and the quality. once again he faced everyone naniwa did minus nestea. Leenock's MLG run is probably the most impressive run to date. | ||
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Seiniyta
Belgium1815 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:00 Zdrastochye wrote: While I support the stopping of hatred, do you really think Leenock faced a better calibre of players, when Nani faced DRG, Nestea (twice), and MVP? I mean, Feel free to name which players Leenock faced who are better than Nestea and MVP. To be frank, Leenock studied Naniwa's opening builds and countered really hard on that. Those matches really seemed like simple BO losses then being 'outplayed'. Leenock certainly was the better player here as he abused Naniwa's opening strategy to maximum effect. Even though Naniwa can be flexible, I think he stuck too long on the same strategy and thinking that Leenock woudln't do the Roach rush again and again as he was assuming that Leenock would think he woudln't be able to pull that off again to Naniwa, but alas. He did and won. | ||
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:03 jj33 wrote: Leenock beat MVP 2-0 idra 2-0 huk 2-0 drg 4-3 extended series mma 2-1 boxer 2-0 so yes, leenock faced more competition and just as hard competition or harder. He faced everyone naniwa faced except nestea. So you're saying that Nestea and MVP aren't up to the calibre of those players? I'm really not sure what you're driving at. Everyone knows Leenock beat more people, but it's an exaggeration to say something like... Boxer or MMA > MVP, or IdrA or Huk > Nestea. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:05 Zdrastochye wrote: So you're saying that Nestea and MVP aren't up to the calibre of those players? I'm really not sure what you're driving at. Everyone knows Leenock beat more people, but it's an exaggeration to say something like... Boxer or MMA > MVP, or IdrA or Huk > Nestea. You sure extrapolate alot that does not exist. You said name players that are equal to mvp/nestea Clearly you did not even see Leenocks run, as he BEAT MVP himself. Leenock beat everyone naniwa faced minus nestea. You mentioned naniwa beat drg and MVP and so DID LEENOCK. Leenock beat more ppl and just as hard competition as naniwa did. | ||
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Zidane
United States1692 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:05 Zdrastochye wrote: So you're saying that Nestea and MVP aren't up to the calibre of those players? I'm really not sure what you're driving at. Everyone knows Leenock beat more people, but it's an exaggeration to say something like... Boxer or MMA > MVP, or IdrA or Huk > Nestea. You do realize Leenock beat MVP too right? | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:05 Zdrastochye wrote: So you're saying that Nestea and MVP aren't up to the calibre of those players? I'm really not sure what you're driving at. Everyone knows Leenock beat more people, but it's an exaggeration to say something like... Boxer or MMA > MVP, or IdrA or Huk > Nestea. LOL. MVP is not up to the caliber of MVP. xD I laughed really hard. Like seriously. I'm not sure if you're ignorant of the brackets or the fact that the MLG invitational is standalone or what... because this level of weirdness is a bit much. | ||
Poopi
France12973 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:00 Zdrastochye wrote: While I support the stopping of hatred, do you really think Leenock faced a better calibre of players, when Nani faced DRG, Nestea (twice), and MVP? I mean, Feel free to name which players Leenock faced who are better than Nestea and MVP. NaNiwa didn't face Mvp in the MLG. It was in the invitational thingy. When you see how Mvp dismantled MC despite having lost 1-2 against him earlier in the tournament, you wonder how it could have gone if NaNi and him had to face each other again. Facing NesTea doesn't mean that you faced "the best NesTea", I didn't see the games but maybe NesTea didn't play up to part. Plus it's much much harder to win when you are from the open bracket, and winning extended series, twice, is an astounding performance. Leenock faced DRG too, Mvp too, MMA who is the same caliber as Mvp in TvZ (more or less, depends of their condition I guess, plus their playstyle are different), FXOOz and EG.Huk who are maybe not Mvp caliber but still really really strong protoss. I could go on but you see the point xd. Oh and I don't think that Leenock outplayed NaNiwa hardcore (I didn't see all the games yet) but Leenock faced A LOT of good opponents (foreign top) and as much "legendary opponents" as NaNiwa. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
thank god some people here have sense. I can't believe I have to spend time answering questions from people when they don't even know what they are talking about. He said feel free to name players that are the calibre of MVP that leenock faced. well geee... i don't know maybe MVP himself? | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:05 Zdrastochye wrote: So you're saying that Nestea and MVP aren't up to the calibre of those players? I'm really not sure what you're driving at. Everyone knows Leenock beat more people, but it's an exaggeration to say something like... Boxer or MMA > MVP, or IdrA or Huk > Nestea. no, he's saying that Leenock had a toucher road through the whole open bracket & facing super touch opponents, while Naniwa was seeded highest in the bracket possible and was even lukcy to the extent that he had the arguably easiest bracket out of the 4 topseeds, while idra for example had it way tougher as the #1 seed. AND he didnt face Mvp and Nestea twice, Global invitational has nothing to with the main tournament. | ||
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bluQ
Germany1724 Posts
Thats bullshit guys  Naniwa showed us how freakin awesome he is and due to his last performences we even know he is somewhat constant. With his skilllevel raised to such a point we can expect alot more from him, tearing apart some more feared KRs :D I'm looking forward to this and he has all my support. Leenock ... I wish they had casted more games of him, when i checked the brackets on saturday I always looked for his name and kept being stunned by his run. He effin deserved the win and tho I'm a really biasd euopean dude on sunday i somewhat hoped that he would win over nani because damn he is so young and did so awesome. I at least didn't know a lot from him, just heard couple of times his name and prolly saw 1-2 games in GSL. So yea from him we maybe can expect something more too but - at least for me - he first has to show if he can hold the skilllevel. Both grats, grats, grats and have fun with the money! Keep the level high boys! | ||
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Zidane
United States1692 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:08 wklbishop wrote: LOL. MVP is not up to the caliber of MVP. xD I laughed really hard. Like seriously. I'm not sure if you're ignorant of the brackets or the fact that the MLG invitational is standalone or what... because this level of weirdness is a bit much. Chances are he won't be posting in here again after realizing how dumb he sounded. | ||
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TigerKarl
1757 Posts
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Logjamming
United States37 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:00 Zdrastochye wrote: While I support the stopping of hatred, do you really think Leenock faced a better calibre of players, when Nani faced DRG, Nestea (twice), and MVP? I mean, Feel free to name which players Leenock faced who are better than Nestea and MVP. Nani didn't face MVP in his Providence run and faced Nestea once. He played those guys in the global invitational and they were of no consequence to the tourney results. Leenock faced Idra, Huk, MVP, MMA, DRGx2, Boxer, Slush, Haypro in just the championship bracket, let alone the open bracket he had to play in that Nani didn't. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:11 bluQ wrote: And here the discussion emerges: Who is better: Nani or Leenock ... Thats bullshit guys Naniwa showed us how freakin awesome he is and due to his last performences we even know he is somewhat constant. With his skilllevel raised to such a point we can expect alot more from him, tearing apart some more feared KRs :D I'm looking forward to this and he has all my support. Leenock ... I wish they had casted more games of him, when i checked the brackets on saturday I always looked for his name and kept being stunned by his run. He effin deserved the win and tho I'm a really biasd euopean dude on sunday i somewhat hoped that he would win over nani because damn he is so young and did so awesome. I at least didn't know a lot from him, just heard couple of times his name and prolly saw 1-2 games in GSL. So yea from him we maybe can expect something more too but - at least for me - he first has to show if he can hold the skilllevel. Both grats, grats, grats and have fun with the money! Keep the level high boys! nice post. you admitted you like to cheer for Europeans more, nothing wrong with that. At the end of the day however, you don't try and discredit a guy's win just because he was not the winner you wanted. I admit, I never though Leenock would be the one to win, matter of fact I thought Idra/huk and mvp/nestea had the best chances to win. | ||
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hugman
Sweden4644 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:10 AsnSensation wrote: + Show Spoiler + On November 22 2011 03:05 Zdrastochye wrote: So you're saying that Nestea and MVP aren't up to the calibre of those players? I'm really not sure what you're driving at. Everyone knows Leenock beat more people, but it's an exaggeration to say something like... Boxer or MMA > MVP, or IdrA or Huk > Nestea. no, he's saying that Leenock had a toucher road through the whole open bracket & facing super touch opponents, while Naniwa was seeded highest in the bracket possible and was even lukcy to the extent that he had the arguably easiest bracket out of the 4 topseeds, while idra for example had it way tougher as the #1 seed. AND he didnt face Mvp and Nestea twice, Global invitational has nothing to with the main tournament. How is Nestea easier than MC? | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On November 22 2011 03:13 Logjamming wrote: Nani didn't face MVP in his Providence run and faced Nestea once. He played those guys in the global invitational and they were of no consequence to the tourney results. Leenock faced Idra, Huk, MVP, MMA, DRGx2, Boxer, Slush, Haypro in just the championship bracket, let alone the open bracket he had to play in that Nani didn't. Yea, when he mentioned MVP/Nestea I took it as a whole over the weekend with the invitational as total performance. Forgot to even mention he didn't face MVP in the regular MLG tournament. | ||
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