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On December 11 2011 14:06 enfuegosanto wrote:
...it's a pretty good sign that you should avoid posting when in the course of making your post you actually manage to make the plight of children suffering from all manner of life-threatening ailments sound unimportant, regardless of the quality of life they experience.
What plight do the kids have from their life-threatening ailment that will be solved by gifting them the ability to play an expensive Xbox360 while in the hospital? Having to color coloring books and build Legos in a safe, well lit, clean room with a full belly, surrounded by supportive family and the miracles that modern medicine has to offer...how awful for them.
Wait, Child's Play doesn't do anything to actually help the child's ailment or recovery, it just soothes their tedious hospital stay? You say I'm trivializing their plight....but a video game system....that's an expensive cure for boredom and fear and gloom of a serious disease. I'm sure they get depressed, I'm sure they may even lose hope....but what will my dollars used to buy their hospital an Xbox actually provide for them to help them in their plight of worry and ?
Don't you want to see your hard earned dollars go to something more, someone who absolutely will not walk another day on this earth if it weren't for you? Sick, worried kids aren't unimportant, but wouldn't most logically agree that there are some things that are vitally more important?
I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
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Don't worry everyone. He's now temp banned for a reason. ^_^
As an end note, the rumble is over for the year, but you can continue to donate via www.rumbleinthebronze.com. There are many other charity events by gamers in the next few months (many of which supporting other organizations), so check them all out, donate what you can, and show everyone how awesome the sc2 community is! Thanks everyone!
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On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote:
I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect.
Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest.
Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now,
Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"?
The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
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Anyone know when the VODs will be posted? I'm looking forward to it.. you guys are doing great work btw, keep it up! (and ignore the haters)
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Remember these are kids, even if there fighting a horrible illness you cant tell me any one of them wouldnt want the chance of trying to escape some of the pain through a video game. When I was 2 I underwent a surgery on my heart, the first thing I wanted when I woke up was my mom, and to go down to the game room to play nintendo. (so my mother tells me) The only thing I can honestly remember is waking up and not knowing who the strange man there was AKA my father, I was pretty drugged up 
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Our event earned enough money for our logo to be displayed on the front page of Childsplay.org's website next to companies like Microsoft, Nintendo, and Google.
WOW! Thanks once again to everyone who helped out during the event and to everyone who contributed.
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Don't feed the trolls who disagree with the charity's purpose people.
I know I really benefited from a dentist who had a sega genesis when I was young, barely noticed them going to town on my teeth.
It may not be the most vital cause in the world, but it's worth donating some of my money I was going to waste on something else anyways.
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I fell asleep, missed everything, just woke up and HOLY CRAP SIXTEEN THOUSAND DOLLARS. Well done SC2 community, from everyone at the PA forums, you all did a fantastic thing 
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**edit** Beaten to VODs
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On December 11 2011 15:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote:
I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect. Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest. Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now, Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"? The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves.
Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there.
In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game.
BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books.
So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives.
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On December 11 2011 16:43 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 15:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote:
I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect. Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest. Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now, Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"? The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves. Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there. In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game. BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books. So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives.
Note that the money donated to Child's Play isn't just video games. It also includes books, board games, and other forms of entertainment for children in hospitals.
http://childsplaycharity.org/about
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On December 11 2011 17:02 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 16:43 Swede wrote:On December 11 2011 15:17 WolfintheSheep wrote:On December 11 2011 14:53 Swede wrote:
I agree with all of your points. Buying them an Xbox is quite stupid. But it isn't the fault of the people donating. I totally understand the desire to donate towards a charitable event which is based around your favourite game with some of your favourite personalities hosting it. A telethon run by Louis C.K. is much more likely to receive my donation than a telethon run by Kesha, even if they're raising for the same cause. A charity which will help a family member of mine has my support over World Vision any day. Point is that familiarity is often more important than the actual cause. It's the nature of caring about people you know more than people you don't know.
Look at it this way: a lot of the people who donated wouldn't have donated at all if this event hadn't happened. Which isn't to bring those people down - most people are the same. It's still more positive than doing nothing. It's still a generous act which should receive nothing but respect. Just wanted to respond to this, and say buying an "Xbox" is not stupid in the slightest. Billions and billions of dollars have been pumped into research to cure the ailments that people suffer, including these hospitalized children, for several decades. The money that Child's Play raises is a piddly percentage of the money raised for Cancer research alone, not even including all the toy and game donations, and it all goes directly into improving the quality of life for these children right now, Sure, you can say that dumping the money into seeking a cure is more "noble", whatever that means, but if I told you that 0.01% of that money should actually go into making their lives enjoyable, how is that "stupid"? The money hospitals spend on making life comfortable is the minimum, because medical equipment is extremely expensive, and far more important. This isn't about buying some more games for children to play with. This is about actually providing the comfort that hospitals can't afford themselves. Yes, it is stupid. And I never said I disagree with making their lives more comfortable, I only said buying them Xboxes is stupid, and it is. You read a lot more into my post than was there. In spite of the fact that consoles are more accessible than ever they're still far more expensive than other things which could provide just as much enjoyment. Quick example: you could buy a few hundred books for the same price as a 360 with 4 controllers and a single game. BUT with all that said, giving them Xboxes is still a net positive. Like I said in my first post, chances are half the people who donated to Rumble in the Bronze wouldn't have donated to an alternative charity if the show never happened, so those kids would have nothing extra if it weren't for this show. All I'm saying is that it's money that could have been better spent, and I think the donations would have been just as large had it not been Xboxes but books. So I'm certainly not deriding the organisers in any way. They have my complete respect. But since charity donations are limited it makes a lot of sense to be efficient with those donations. It's simply advice for future charity drives. Note that the money donated to Child's Play isn't just video games. It also includes books, board games, and other forms of entertainment for children in hospitals. http://childsplaycharity.org/about
Then ignore everything I said
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This event was so incredible in ways that were unexpected. The production was actually top-notch, including the donor messages, the overlay, the donation counter, and even some good content during the breaks. It was almost the production value of a big tournament! Well done you!
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I'm sad we didn't get more swapcraft matches, that map looks like it could produce some crazy stuff. The micro macro map was also pretty neat.
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Just came to say well done for a great event. Didn't stay up to watch all of it, but catching up with the VOD's now. Geoff and Shawn, you guys are thoroughly entertaining, and as others have said already, the production has been top notch.
Well done for all the hard work, the money you've/we've raised is fantastic. Such generosity reflects really well on the SC2 community as well, everyone give yourselves a hug
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how can I play the switchcraft maps and the god maps?
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Donations still coming in ^^ Up to 18k now.
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