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Blizzard and GOMTV present the Team Ace Invitational Tournament. In this tournament each team will pick two representatives. These team aces will then battle it out in an action packed 2 week tournament for a total price pool of almost 20,000,000 KRW.
Group A:
oGs_MC (P)
ZeNEX_Line (Z)
TSL_Polt (T)
ST_Curious (Z)
IM_Mvp (T)
Group B:
oGs_SuperNova (T)
MarineKing_PRIME.WE (T)
MVP_Genius (P)
ZeNEX_Life (Z)
IM_Nestea (Z)
Group C:
SlayerS_GanZI (T)
MVP_DongRaeGu (Z)
TSL_Killer (P)
NSHoSeo_Jjakji (T)
FXO_Leenock (Z)
Group D:
SlayerS_CoCa (Z)
NSHoSeo_Sage (P)
ST_Bomber (T)
BBoongBBoong_PRIME.WE (Z)
FXO_Oz (P)
Prize money distribution:
Champion: 10,000,000 KRW
Runner-up: 4,000,000 KRW
Round of 4: 1,500,000 KRW
Round of 8: 700,000 KRW
Total: 19,800,000 KRW
Premium tickets will be available for 4.99USD/9.99USD. A free SQ stream for non premium users will be provided similar to GSL broadcasts.
Go to http://www.gomtv.net/schedule/index.gom and click on AOL Team Ace Invi. 11.11.03(Thu) ~ 11.13(Sun) to see the detailed schedule.
Thank you.
GOMTV.net
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Too bad Slayers didnt send MMA, bit weird
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Wow, looks like IM should steamroll this. And, what's up with Slayers lineup? I definitely expected other players.
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Ooo finals is at the G-Stars convention. (WCG Ro4 is also there). Should be interesting as both are played live and offline.
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what no mma? and i will miss Sc (the hansomest terran)
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Anything other than an IM roflstomp would be an upset, but pretty nice idea anyway!
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Hope it's not A vs B in ro 8 and mvp/nestea have to kill each other early again >,> Good luck all, lots of awesome players. Dunno who to root for, hope leenock does well tho.
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This is going to be sexy. IM 화이팅 !
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They raised the prize money fivefold for the champion so maybe they'll take it more serious this time.
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United States23455 Posts
Group A is sexy. Three GSL champions, Code A champion, and the Super Tournament underdog Line.
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Cool idea to have the ace players duking it out from all the teams.
Never seen Polt in GSTL fighting for TSL, Clide would been a better choice. Polt is solid though, so i can kinda understand it.
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I could go to the Gstar event....bnut I have a feeling it will suck :s
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Wow, free stream and more price money. Maybe this AoL will be better then the first one.
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Group A is beastly, when C and D dont look so strong.
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I wanted to see MMA 
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slayers might have done an internal tournament to decide who to send
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I'm actually getting pretty hyped for this. Seems like each team (except SlayerS) sent their 2 hottest players, prize pool's been massively increased and group distribution looks good.
Group A's definitely the stand-out here. Group D seems absolutely brutal for Protoss.
Oooh, free stream!
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Group D is sick good.
And poor MC gets to lose against Mvp again.
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No foreigner but all groups feel really nice! Should be some SICK games!
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DRG or MVP or Nestea or Bomber
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This should be better than the last one. At least they're actually gonna broadcast it in Korea this time.
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why not ryung?
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On November 02 2011 20:16 9001 wrote:why not ryung?
I get the feeling SlayerS are taking this as serious as those showmatches before the GSL August finals.
I can't complain about Nestea/MVP/DRG/Bomber/MC all being in. Will be buying ticket unlike AOL1.
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Probably won't be buying a ticket this time around because I doubt this will have the same quality as Code S. That being said though, it should be an interesting tournament. ^^
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Wow, I guess zenex won't be around for much longer. Weird that Kyrix isn't playing though,,,
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
I hope we get the proper NesTea vs MVP final that Blizzcon was meant to deliver.
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First place is 10k? That's a pretty good prize pool and I think enough motivation to want to win. This looks HEAPS better than the first one and there will be some live matches at the finals stages. Looks like i may get the ticket. Good job on GOM for improving for the first one was definitely very underwhelming.
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3030 Posts
That's a lot of games for a 1-2 week tournament. Should be some really good games with the amount of strong players participating.
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Group A
MVP
Polt
Group B
Nestea
Supernova
Group C
DRG
Jjaki
Group D
Bomber
Coca
Round of 8
MVP > Supernova
DRG > Coca
Nestea > Polt
Bomber > Jjaki
Semi-finals
MVP>DRG
Bomber>Nestea
Finals
MVP>Bomber
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no MMA, clide, july, and nada. aww...
too bad theres no EG. idra and huk would be nice.
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Its the right decision imo that they send their not famous players. Its more interesting to see some underdogs. Slayers made a good decision. Its not only about winning. Its also the experience and the fun.
IM is bad imo. they should send their unknown players too.
(i know ganzi is not unknown but you know what i mean)
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IM looking to win this shit, other teams choices show confidence in their more unknown players. We only see results in GSL tournaments, not in house tournaments, and that they have chosen these players might be an indicator that these players are very skilled.
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Very exciting! Looking forward to it. =)
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should be easy for IM, especially since slayers didn't bring out MMA.
startale has an ok team as well.
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United States23455 Posts
On November 02 2011 22:14 Sated wrote:
Best of ones... Why oh why oh why? =/
It's group of five.
If you did Bo3's between the five, it would take eight hours.
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Wow. Why does it look like IM is the only one that's approaching this as a serious thing?
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United Arab Emirates874 Posts
This is so cool. Weird MMA not picked for Slayers though. MKP FIGHTING!
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On November 02 2011 22:20 McBrungus wrote:
Wow. Why does it look like IM is the only one that's approaching this as a serious thing?
Looking at the line-up it seems to me like all the teams are taking this seriously, with the possible exception of SlayerS. All the other teams seem to be sending out their strongest line-up, and even for Slayers it's entirely possible that their line-up is the strongest based on internal games or whatever.
That said, as much as I love Gom content, I won't be buying a ticket. Code A/S is enough for me.
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On November 02 2011 22:20 McBrungus wrote:
Wow. Why does it look like IM is the only one that's approaching this as a serious thing?
Because the other teams want to show their rosters are more than the very best of their very best star players? Though most teams are bringing out some big guns too... I'm not sure quite what you're trying to get at.
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Startale not putting out July? Weird.
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On November 02 2011 22:29 r4pture wrote:
Startale not putting out July? Weird.
Curious was on a huge roll when they picked their players. He just got knocked out of code s today though, bummer, July is still probably better overall but he's pretty predictable at this point so idk. Imo all the teams picked at least arguably their best or currently hottest players except for slayers. Ganzi is pretty beast but MMA should be in there probably instead of coca, maybe he wants to focus on gsl or something though and try to become a multi champion like mvp/mc/nestea.
Either way, sick lineup of players.
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United Kingdom38255 Posts
Oh my god Life's getting a chance to play with the big boys!
I'm so happy, I hope he doesn't get nervous about it.
Very cool looking tournament on paper, actually quite excited about this one whereas I wasn't so much for the first AoL ^^
On November 02 2011 22:29 r4pture wrote:
Startale not putting out July? Weird.
ST have said forever that Curious is their best Zerg in their team practice.
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On November 02 2011 22:32 darkest44 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2011 22:29 r4pture wrote:
Startale not putting out July? Weird. Curious was on a huge roll when they picked their players. He just got knocked out of code s today though, bummer, July is still probably better overall but he's pretty predictable at this point so idk. Imo all the teams picked at least arguably their best or currently hottest players except for slayers. Ganzi is pretty beast but MMA should be in there probably instead of coca, maybe he wants to focus on gsl or something though and try to become a multi champion like mvp/mc/nestea. Either way, sick lineup of players.
Totally agree man, but keep in mind CoCa is actually too good to automatically put under MMA/Ganzi. I dunno, I think CoCa might've been chosen simply because he IS just as good/if not better than MMA or Ganzi. He doesn't have amazing tournament results (yet), but we've seen that he can take on and beat anyone at any given time. MLG? Sheeeit, CoCa was a beast there.
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It's a special event guys MKP wins by default, gom should just give him the money j/k.
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Did they require each team to field 2 players of different races?
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United Kingdom16710 Posts
On November 02 2011 23:20 mikedebo wrote:
Did they require each team to field 2 players of different races?
Clearly not. ZeNex has 2 Zs.
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IM actually sent Nestea and MVP? Damn that is sexy.
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Daaaaaaamn thats a sick lineup! Too bad no MMA and Nada, but I guess Nada is busy studying at the moment?
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No MMA... No Huk or Naniwa... Oh well.
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Slayers probably didn't want to burn out MMA like last time(GSTL, MLG, Super tournament.) It's also good to give different players a chance to shine in these tournaments and have them feel like they're a part of the team. The players they sent out are really good too, MMA just happens to be their best. They did the same thing in the last GSTL, not wanting to rely on MMA for everything but it didn't turn out too well hehe.
I would like to have seen EG in there instead of Zenex.
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no seal? :o
I thought he was at least on par with jiakji, though my information might be outdated.
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IMMvP and IMNesTea... So unfair for all other teams
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MMA mentioned in one of the interviews last season that he was glad to be able to focus only on Code S with GSTL being done. Its possible he passed up playing in this to focus on trying to repeat Code S
Other than that all the players make sense. Kinda wish we could see Nada instead of Supernova though
Really excited for this. I think it will probably be Khaldor's GSL debut too
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Even if Slayers want to rest MMA, they still should have sent Taeja or Ryung instead of Coca.
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On November 03 2011 02:43 zestzorb wrote:
Even if Slayers want to rest MMA, they still should have sent Taeja or Ryung instead of Coca.
I think Taeja is their best all around player but there's probably some rule where you can only send one of each race or something. Also, Slayers is known for their terrans so having another race in there is good. There's only one terran in Coca's group and he has good ZvP and ZvZ so I think he will be ok.
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Go Life! Zerg ladder bonjwa! :D
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IM looking pretty beastly.
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Somewhere out there, Bomber is smiling at not having to play a TvT in his group.
Though I imagine they made a rule that the teams can't just send out Terran players. 
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They're calling FOX FOXOpen and not FOX korea. thats pretty important.
not the real ace's of the teams but still pretty good players.
Edit: lolfest IM's got the pitbulls going out for them never mind.
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Very happy they put a low quality free stream in this time. I can't wait to actually watch this one!
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On November 02 2011 19:45 xtfftc wrote:
Group D is sick good.
And poor MC gets to lose against Mvp again.
from what i remember they went 1-1 their last engagement at WCG, MC played spectacular the game he won.
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Groups C and D are gonna be realllly interesting. Can't wait to see how Jjakji and Sage plays, hopefully DRG will do good too ;9
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This is really difficult to call..............
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Looking forward to this, will be rooting for the TSL players! Go Polt and SangHo (Killer)!
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I don't see this on the tournament schedule, but this should be taking place in a handful of hours?
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On November 03 2011 09:13 Irave wrote:
I don't see this on the tournament schedule, but this should be taking place in a handful of hours?
It starts in like 5 hours 45 minutes.
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I would appreciate it it you guys would clearly say who's casting these kinds of events on your advertisement.
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IM: nestea and mvp.
now we know who is going to win! ^_^
MarineKing fighting! He always does better in online tournaments i think, so he has a good chance of repeat winning!
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Looks really cool, I love these kinds of tournaments. Kind of surprised to not see MMA in there though.
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-.- I think its gg to MVP/Nestea unless they blow it off...
qq no MMA
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On November 03 2011 09:17 IamAnton wrote:
I would appreciate it it you guys would clearly say who's casting these kinds of events on your advertisement.
tastosis said it would be the code A guys casting it during the broadcast yesterday. I think they are down to 2 days a week now.
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On November 03 2011 09:21 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:17 IamAnton wrote:
I would appreciate it it you guys would clearly say who's casting these kinds of events on your advertisement. tastosis said it would be the code A guys casting it during the broadcast yesterday. I think they are down to 2 days a week now.
Yea its more so, so people don't buy the stream expecting Tastosis and getting Code A casters. Personally was disappointing for me when I baught the first AOL.
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On November 03 2011 09:21 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:17 IamAnton wrote:
I would appreciate it it you guys would clearly say who's casting these kinds of events on your advertisement. tastosis said it would be the code A guys casting it during the broadcast yesterday. I think they are down to 2 days a week now.
as much as it sucks not having tastosis, one can understand. casting for so many hours is pretty difficult, plus they have other stuff to do besides GOM
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On November 02 2011 22:07 goswser wrote:
IM looking to win this shit, other teams choices show confidence in their more unknown players. We only see results in GSL tournaments, not in house tournaments, and that they have chosen these players might be an indicator that these players are very skilled.
Eh not really. Only SlayerS could be said to be not sending out their strongest, with MMA not up there. Every other team is sending their two best players, with the possible exception of oGs - but I'm not really sure who to replace SuperNoVa with. Maybe NaDa?
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Clearly SlayerS doesn't care much about this one lol. CoCa is pretty good though, but if they wanted to send their best Terran I don't think GanZi would be the Terran of choice.
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sick lineup. and lots of matches. woo!
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wtf lol no mma or boxer? oh well xD ganzi is cool too, im guessing they want mma and boxer to focus on gsl or something?
Meh not too many protoss but some interesting ones like sage
i think i wanted them to pick the players for them like last time, o well xD
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Wooo Ganzi ! <3
My hopes for who I want to make it out of each group :
A: MC, Polt
B: NesTea, SuperNova
C: GanZi, DRG (such a hard choice because I love Killer and Leenock too)
D: Sage, Oz
On November 03 2011 09:21 coolcor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:17 IamAnton wrote:
I would appreciate it it you guys would clearly say who's casting these kinds of events on your advertisement. tastosis said it would be the code A guys casting it during the broadcast yesterday. I think they are down to 2 days a week now.
Passion lost etc. etc. killing esports 
On November 03 2011 09:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
wtf lol no mma or boxer? oh well xD ganzi is cool too, im guessing they want mma and boxer to focus on gsl or something?
Meh not too many protoss but some interesting ones like sage
i think i wanted them to pick the players for them like last time, o well xD
Boxer has never been an ace of SlayerS really though so I'm not shocked that he wasn't picked.
Given that the tournament is the "aces of each team" I'm really surprised that Coca is there instead of MMA but I guess GOM want one from each race instead of two terrans from SlayerS.
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mrbamboo
United States415 Posts
Wow, every team actually sent out their best player except SlayerS. MMA and Taeja would've been better choices but GanZi and Coca is not bad at all. Sending Genius is a bit meh, I think Noblesse or GuineaPig would've been just a tad more deserving from MVP. Life has been doing well in the ESV weekly, too bad ZENEX seems like such a week team now losing all of their more well known players. I'm a big fan of Jjakji, Sage, BboongBboong and Curious, so I hope they do well. MVP and Nestea obviously the favorites but not by too much. Great tournament.
Group A: MVP, Curious or MC.
Group B: Nestea, MKP
Group C: DRG, Jjakji
Group D: This group is so hard to call. Bomber will probably make it out, but the other 4 are all pretty even. I'd want Sage to come out but I think more Realistically he's the least likely to because Coca has amazing ZvP and Oz will beat Sage in PvP.
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No Ryung :/ Forever forgotten.
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A little weird seeing Ganzi instead of MMA. And also Curious instead of JulyZerg. A little strange, but still will be amazing as normal!!!
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I'm sad, I was expecting to see Jinro and Hero.
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It's time for SlayerGanzi and SlayersCoca to shine!
Let's show them what you're capable of.
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On November 02 2011 19:09 seiferoth10 wrote:
Wow, looks like IM should steamroll this. And, what's up with Slayers lineup? I definitely expected other players.
Just setting the stage for upsets!
But yeah, on paper, IM is gonna stomp.
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Group C is the hardest group imo. all code S and all (except jjakji) basically in hot form
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Really annoying, why does everyone assume the teams picked players?
They probably ran internal tournaments to see who gets the chance to take part
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IM is going to steamroll...
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no Sc =( but Genius is good too
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On November 03 2011 09:31 Tektos wrote:Wooo Ganzi ! <3 My hopes for who I want to make it out of each group : A: MC, Polt B: NesTea, SuperNova C: GanZi, DRG (such a hard choice because I love Killer and Leenock too) D: Sage, Oz Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:21 coolcor wrote:On November 03 2011 09:17 IamAnton wrote:
I would appreciate it it you guys would clearly say who's casting these kinds of events on your advertisement. tastosis said it would be the code A guys casting it during the broadcast yesterday. I think they are down to 2 days a week now. Passion lost etc. etc. killing esports Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 09:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
wtf lol no mma or boxer? oh well xD ganzi is cool too, im guessing they want mma and boxer to focus on gsl or something?
Meh not too many protoss but some interesting ones like sage
i think i wanted them to pick the players for them like last time, o well xD Boxer has never been an ace of SlayerS really though so I'm not shocked that he wasn't picked. Given that the tournament is the "aces of each team" I'm really surprised that Coca is there instead of MMA but I guess GOM want one from each race instead of two terrans from SlayerS.
Ohh, i didn't notice that. I wonder why not pick puzzle though, maybe they just feel protoss sucks right now?
I find it interesting that back then, when GSTL just started and MMA and Ryung and Alicia were raping shit up, people didn't really know about Ganzi, but now people know about him and Ryung hasn't been doing as well as Ganzi has most recently. And Alicia... poor alicia xD what happened...
Edit: Oh yeah eff, no sC but yea a protoss is nice too
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Oh god IM picked the godly duo, should be a cool competition
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Poor ZeNex_Line. He's gonna get crushed so hard. Maaaaybe he could beat MC if MC didn't look like he was in good condition.
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I wish team EG had their ace players in there, would've been cool to see huk and idra.
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Looks pretty good. Will Khaldor cast this?
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Finally we get to see Sage play against the big guys.
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So glad this has a free stream! The last AOL event didn't, so I had to miss out unfortunately
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Woah woah, MMA is not invited? Interesting
Best of luck to everyone, cannot wait for this
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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
CoCa vs Sage
CoCa vs Bomber
Will be really good!
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This is crazy off topic, I will admit, but is there a reason why some people call the distribution of money among the victors the "price" pool rather than prize pool?
I've assumed that everyone who has called it a 'price pool' is just wrong, but then again I used to think 'whinge' was just a misspelling/bastardization of 'whine'...
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Why not Tassadar and Keen?
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On November 03 2011 10:16 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Why not Tassadar and Keen?
Because jjakji and Genius are better than Tassadar and Keen.
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On November 03 2011 10:20 Ruscour wrote:Because jjakji and Genius are better than Tassadar and Keen.
I think Genius is at the same skill level. Tbh I havent seem much of jjakji.
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all team's representatives were expected or at least reasonable, except for Slayers wtf. Ganzi is acceptable but Coca and not MMA? Guess the Slayers coach is doing his best IM coach impression of making dumbass decisions when choosing who to send out or in for this tournament.
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Waaaah, Im so disappointed. At first glance I was thinking "2v2 tounament of allstars! wooooooo".
Should be fun regardless!
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(apologies) i have bad comprehension skills, so is this a 2v2 tournament? or a regular 1v1?
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Well, seeing IM in this makes it look unfair. Too bad they didn't hold this in a month so EG might have entered IdrA/HuK.
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On November 03 2011 10:31 csikh wrote:
(apologies) i have bad comprehension skills, so is this a 2v2 tournament? or a regular 1v1?
Standard 1v1 tournament.
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Oh so there's a free stream. Guess I'll be tuning in after all. Hopefully the increased prize pool will result in better games this time around.
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I think MMA could use a break. Or maybe he wants to do other things besides play starcraft. people tend to have other things going on...this may not be worth it for him.
he may have thought that aol 1 being a waste of time for him, why should he join this one?
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is it just me or does bbongbbongprime as primes second player not seem very good? I'm surprised prime didnt send someone else like maybe hongun.
ps MKP v Nestea in group stages omfg.
'so happy TSl sent killer hes my fav player :D.
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Wow, this is very last minute notice. The tournament is starting in like 5 hours and I'm just now hearing about it?
Anyway, it'll be fun. More stuff for me to spend money on, and Tastosis probably won't be casting it...*sigh*...but I'll still tune in!
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just looking at IM lineup is scary
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On November 03 2011 10:26 Apollo_Shards wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:20 Ruscour wrote:On November 03 2011 10:16 Apollo_Shards wrote:
Why not Tassadar and Keen? Because jjakji and Genius are better than Tassadar and Keen. I think Genius is at the same skill level. Tbh I havent seem much of jjakji.
Jjakji is good at everything but TvT.
The blue flame nerf might've put his TvT back on the map though.
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im curious why supernova for ogs why not nada?
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this will be awesomeee!!! 
Wish MC kills them all, but I don't think that'll happen.
Great championship idea, GOM! =D
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On November 03 2011 10:41 karis wrote:
im curious why supernova for ogs why not nada?
As much as it pains me to say this, Supernova's better than NaDa.
Also, NaDa's still studying for school even though he's on leave, I believe. Why weigh him down with more tournaments when he's already got to divide up his time between studying and the GSL?
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On November 03 2011 10:37 karis wrote:
is it just me or does bbongbbongprime as primes second player not seem very good? I'm surprised prime didnt send someone else like maybe hongun.
ps MKP v Nestea in group stages omfg.
'so happy TSl sent killer hes my fav player :D.
I'd say bboongbboong is more solid than HongUn, but that is just my opinion.
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On November 03 2011 10:49 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:37 karis wrote:
is it just me or does bbongbbongprime as primes second player not seem very good? I'm surprised prime didnt send someone else like maybe hongun.
ps MKP v Nestea in group stages omfg.
'so happy TSl sent killer hes my fav player :D. I'd say bboongbboong is more solid than HongUn, but that is just my opinion.
Agreed, Bboongbboong is solid. I think using him is a good decision.
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Understand all the picks except for slayers. Would have expected MMA at least. Unless Boxer wanted him to concentrate on GSL...
Should still be pretty sweet.
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On November 03 2011 10:49 Tektos wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:37 karis wrote:
is it just me or does bbongbbongprime as primes second player not seem very good? I'm surprised prime didnt send someone else like maybe hongun.
ps MKP v Nestea in group stages omfg.
'so happy TSl sent killer hes my fav player :D. I'd say bboongbboong is more solid than HongUn, but that is just my opinion.
oh. thnx. i was just basing my thoughts on accomplishments ive never actually seen bbong play. I'm just surprised that he's the second best player on Prime. It's starting to turn into team MKP and everyone else.
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sounds great ill be watching
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I bet slayers had an in-house tourney for this, maybe while mma was at anaheim (or else mma just lost). Seems like the kind of results you might expect from an in-house.
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my random picks without really knowing very much
group a:
MVP and Curious
Group B:
MKP and Nestea:
Group C:
Ganzi and Killer(DRG has had problems versus protoss before and I'm a killer fanboy). realistically itll prob come down to DRG V Leenok for the 2nd spot.
Group D:
Bomber and Coca
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On November 03 2011 10:41 karis wrote:
im curious why supernova for ogs why not nada?
Well, Supernova has actually been doing a bit better than NaDa recently. But in my opinion MC and theStC would've been the best choice.
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Awesome.
SlayerS fighting!
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This is absolutely sick! I actually really like all the picks. It seems the teams are sending their players that are doing the best right now and not the ones that usually do the best. I am going to call it right now. Only 1 IM player makes it to the Ro8 and the other will not be in the finals. There is a lot of lesser known talent in this tournament that I think is going to really shine.
It's also a little saddening to see how much all those players leaving Zenex has had an impact on their roster =/
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Whoo! 2nd season of AoL. I'm very excited for this. Thank you for this 
No STJuly though...
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On November 03 2011 10:58 karis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 10:49 Tektos wrote:On November 03 2011 10:37 karis wrote:
is it just me or does bbongbbongprime as primes second player not seem very good? I'm surprised prime didnt send someone else like maybe hongun.
ps MKP v Nestea in group stages omfg.
'so happy TSl sent killer hes my fav player :D. I'd say bboongbboong is more solid than HongUn, but that is just my opinion. oh. thnx. i was just basing my thoughts on accomplishments ive never actually seen bbong play. I'm just surprised that he's the second best player on Prime. It's starting to turn into team MKP and everyone else.
Yea, BB does really well in team leagues but not in individual leagues, like DRG. Hopefully he'll follow DRGs footsteps and show everybody that he can do well by himself too.
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Maybe there's some rule that a team must represent two different races or something, which would explain why coca is there.
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On November 03 2011 11:35 Oboeman wrote:
Maybe there's some rule that a team must represent two different races or something, which would explain why coca is there.
Nah, ZeNEX is sending out 2 zergs so that is not true.
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Oh, I'm glad there are free streams this time. I am cheap
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Only lineup i question is Slayers, but really i don't mind them steering away from Terrans....
It really is almost unfair that MVP and Nestea are on the same team, no other team can even compare XD
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On November 03 2011 11:36 Kieofire wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 11:35 Oboeman wrote:
Maybe there's some rule that a team must represent two different races or something, which would explain why coca is there. Nah, ZeNEX is sending out 2 zergs so that is not true.
Maybe it is only allowed if neither player is Terran
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Sounds great, the time sucks though, I 'll be stuck on a train with not net access when it starts
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Someone should make a LR thread.
And not me, because I'll probably abandon it after Polt goes 0-2.
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NesTea - Mvp showmatch finals again!
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lol IM so perfect send mvp nestea.
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Sigh it starts right when I leave work, I'll probably miss the first couple of matches every night.
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Free stream?
Fuck yea! Go MKP!
I <3 GomTV!
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The prize pool is much better than your average MLG so I expect to see players pull out their best strategies rather than the last AoL
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Talk about a tournament made for team IM.....
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How does IM lose this exactly?
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where is MMMA? the current GSL code s CHAMPION!
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I'm surprised none of the teams picked players who weren't in code A or S already, since this would be a good way to give them matches. Then again, I guess the prize pool is high enough that the coaches would only send their best.
I sure would've liked to see Jinro or Cella play, though... =(
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Does anyone have experience with viewing GomTV on a Linux machine?
I am new to linux.
I have VLC installed.
Baby steps welcomed.
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Will it be the debut of Khaldor @ GOMTV ?
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On November 02 2011 20:26 Xcobidoo wrote:
Wow, I guess zenex won't be around for much longer. Weird that Kyrix isn't playing though,,,
... but, kyrix is awful.
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Will there be a free stream... I'm getting Wrong access error
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On November 03 2011 14:24 MrCon wrote:
Will it be the debut of Khaldor @ GOMTV ?
That would be awesome, I hope so but I figure there would be tweets going around if it was.
On November 03 2011 14:27 Frankon wrote:
Will there be a free stream... I'm getting Wrong access error
Yes there will be a free stream.
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On November 03 2011 14:27 Frankon wrote:
Will there be a free stream... I'm getting Wrong access error
I paid for the HD and im getting the same error.
Edit: Nvm, use the following link and you get to the live page http://www.gomtv.net/main/goLive.gom
Edit2: or maybe they just fixed it... clicking the links work now
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On November 03 2011 14:23 stanik wrote:
Does anyone have experience with viewing GomTV on a Linux machine?
I am new to linux.
I have VLC installed.
Baby steps welcomed.
Never tried, as far as I'm aware you need the Gom player to watch live, I do watch VODs on my Media Centre but never tried to watch live.
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Aww yeah~ Kara - Step playing right now.. good to know this starts earlier
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SQ Stream live. Season Ticket holders only??
Did I misread OP?
EDIT: CLICKED ORANGE INSTEAD OF GREEN, disregard.
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mmmmmmmmmm kpop girls.
They're a nice distraction while i wait to see this.
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changeling centpede... eww
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MC vs MVP next
And the low quality stream is free
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do the holes in the ground on this new map make a swaztika or it just me...
(look at xel naga tower)
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Wolf said he doesn't think MC is ready for code A, much less code S. He is a bit of an anti mc fan.
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On November 03 2011 15:48 IOvEggY wrote:
do the holes in the ground on this new map make a swaztika or it just me...
(look at xel naga tower)
It's just you.
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MC MC!
might have cheered too soon...
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On November 03 2011 14:33 PraiseB wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 14:23 stanik wrote:
Does anyone have experience with viewing GomTV on a Linux machine?
I am new to linux.
I have VLC installed.
Baby steps welcomed. Never tried, as far as I'm aware you need the Gom player to watch live, I do watch VODs on my Media Centre but never tried to watch live.
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=171966
1) Download the tar.gz
2) Untar the archive
3) Edit play.sh to add your email, password and change quality if needed.
4) ./play.sh
4.5) You need to have vlc installed on your linux.
It's perfect for every GSL Code S and Code A broadcast, but it's currently not working with AoL Any help someone ?
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On November 03 2011 16:18 NanaCry wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 14:33 PraiseB wrote:On November 03 2011 14:23 stanik wrote:
Does anyone have experience with viewing GomTV on a Linux machine?
I am new to linux.
I have VLC installed.
Baby steps welcomed. Never tried, as far as I'm aware you need the Gom player to watch live, I do watch VODs on my Media Centre but never tried to watch live. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=1719661) Download the tar.gz 2) Untar the archive 3) Edit play.sh to add your email, password and change quality if needed. 4) ./play.sh 4.5) You need to have vlc installed on your linux. It's perfect for every GSL Code S and Code A broadcast, but it's currently not working with AoL Any help someone ?
No idea dude, the link is changed. I think some tinkering with gomstreamer.py would fix it because it's not being redirected to the right page but I'm not sure specifically. The maintainer still updates it so I'm sure he'll update it soon.
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i will never get why zergs make even more zerglings, when they see mass helions
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Lol. theres no need to watch this, IM wins.
GOM just got screwed out of viewership by MVP and Nesteas domination ^_^
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On November 03 2011 16:30 Capped wrote:Lol. theres no need to watch this, IM wins. GOM just got screwed out of viewership by MVP and Nesteas domination ^_^
MVP is dominating so much today, right?
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On November 03 2011 09:30 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
wtf lol no mma or boxer? oh well xD ganzi is cool too, im guessing they want mma and boxer to focus on gsl or something?
Meh not too many protoss but some interesting ones like sage
i think i wanted them to pick the players for them like last time, o well xD
I agree on the MMA part, not so much on the boxer over Ganzi. The man is a damn prodigy!
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Is the whole tournament going to be casted from replays? If so, that's kinda disappointing. Especially with mistakes like today when they accidentally showed the replay length at the start of the game.
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Wow its news to me that ZeNeX are still around, i thought they folded :S oh well good luck to them i haven't seen many of them around as of late.
Well MVP and NesTea will be in the final of that -_-
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On November 03 2011 17:48 Snaiil wrote:
Is the whole tournament going to be casted from replays? If so, that's kinda disappointing. Especially with mistakes like today when they accidentally showed the replay length at the start of the game.
Almost as retarded as MLG's "we have a big long ass replay for you!" So you skip ahead to the semi's and realise you've just seen someone 2-0 up, boom. 2 games ruined.
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Group A:
oGs_MC (P)
ZeNEX_Line (Z)
TSL_Polt (T)
ST_Curious (Z)
IM_Mvp (T)
Group B:
oGs_SuperNova (T)
MarineKing_PRIME.WE (T)
MVP_Genius (P)
ZeNEX_Life (Z)
IM_Nestea (Z)
Group C:
SlayerS_GanZI (T)
MVP_DongRaeGu (Z)
TSL_Killer (P)
NSHoSeo_Jjakji (T)
FXO_Leenock (Z)
Group D:
SlayerS_CoCa (Z)
NSHoSeo_Sage (P)
ST_Bomber (T)
BBoongBBoong_PRIME.WE (Z)
FXO_Oz (P)
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There are more zerg than terrans, this actually gets me excited ! I may not understand some choices but hey :D
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so many people predicting supernova over marineking lol
That said I'm glad there's finally a rematch between MKP and Nestea, hopefully MarineKing watched SC's games and rapes Nestea
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I would assume this'll be casted by the Code A casters? I'll save my $$ in that case, but glhf to everyone who wants to watch it!
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On November 03 2011 19:38 tiaz wrote:
I would assume this'll be casted by the Code A casters? I'll save my $$ in that case, but glhf to everyone who wants to watch it!
I bought a ticket before knowing it was casted by the Code A casters and casted from replays. Pretty disappointed so far.
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On November 03 2011 19:54 Snaiil wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 19:38 tiaz wrote:
I would assume this'll be casted by the Code A casters? I'll save my $$ in that case, but glhf to everyone who wants to watch it! I bought a ticket before knowing it was casted by the Code A casters and casted from replays. Pretty disappointed so far.
I expect the Ro8 and beyond to generate some great matches since it's Bo5 from that point forward. But I think most people really dislike Bo1 round robins for any game these days, they're all about the quickest wins.
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MVP has got this already. Super hyped either way!
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After the pool play, doesn't it go to then a live stage starting at the Ro8? I would be surprised if it was still replays at that point.
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On November 03 2011 20:25 Acronysis wrote:
After the pool play, doesn't it go to then a live stage starting at the Ro8? I would be surprised if it was still replays at that point.
Yes, live stage.
Also the first group was very...average. Polt and MVP played like they were going through the motions, Line looked good since this is all he had to practice for, Curious did well with his standard play, and MC just kept making stargates. I will mark this down due to four of the five having GSL a day or two days before this group and not that they didn't care.
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On November 03 2011 20:25 Acronysis wrote:
After the pool play, doesn't it go to then a live stage starting at the Ro8? I would be surprised if it was still replays at that point.
Searched a bit on their website, found this:
"The group stage will be held online, the tournament stage will be held live at the Busan G-Star 2011 event present by Blizzard. Groups are played round-robin Bo1 (10 sets per group). The top 2 of each group will advance to the main tournament. Tournament stage is Bo3 and Grand Final is Bo5."
So it seems like the the Ro8 onwards will be live casted from Busan, which is great.
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lololol, group A with 3 gsl champions again....
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Hi, I have a question regarding the rankings of Group A (and any subsequent ones of a similar nature). Below, in the spoiler is the results of the first day of Team Ace Invitational.
+ Show Spoiler +So looking at the results of today's team arena, I'm a little confused. Obviously Curious won 3-1 that's fine, and MC lost 1-3, that's fine too, but for the three (MVP, Line, and Polt) who went 2-2, what determines why MVP moves on to the brackets, and the other two get left behind?
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This tournament so far only shows that Bo1 should never be used in any serious tournament. ST_Curious ending last in one Bo1 group play and day later ending first in another Bo1 group play with equal level of quality opponents is all the proof against this.
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On November 03 2011 21:07 Acronysis wrote:Hi, I have a question regarding the rankings of Group A (and any subsequent ones of a similar nature). Below, in the spoiler is the results of the first day of Team Ace Invitational. + Show Spoiler +So looking at the results of today's team arena, I'm a little confused. Obviously Curious won 3-1 that's fine, and MC lost 1-3, that's fine too, but for the three (MVP, Line, and Polt) who went 2-2, what determines why MVP moves on to the brackets, and the other two get left behind?
+ Show Spoiler +First tiebreaker is head to head result and MVP beat both Polt and Line
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On November 03 2011 21:20 xCenasfu wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:07 Acronysis wrote:Hi, I have a question regarding the rankings of Group A (and any subsequent ones of a similar nature). Below, in the spoiler is the results of the first day of Team Ace Invitational. + Show Spoiler +So looking at the results of today's team arena, I'm a little confused. Obviously Curious won 3-1 that's fine, and MC lost 1-3, that's fine too, but for the three (MVP, Line, and Polt) who went 2-2, what determines why MVP moves on to the brackets, and the other two get left behind? + Show Spoiler +First tiebreaker is head to head result and MVP beat both Polt and Line
Thanks!
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More Zs than Ts in this tourney. Cool.
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Oh Jesus Christ, IM is so stacked if it comes to 2 "Aces". Looking forward!
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Ganzi will win this for sure
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IM is not kidding... they want to win this
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On November 03 2011 21:20 -Archangel- wrote:
This tournament so far only shows that Bo1 should never be used in any serious tournament. ST_Curious ending last in one Bo1 group play and day later ending first in another Bo1 group play with equal level of quality opponents is all the proof against this.
Believe it or not, people are not robots. Someone can play poorly one day, then much better the next day.
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jesus this is gonna be crazy IM will take imo
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Marineking will take second place. First is up for grabs though.
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On November 04 2011 04:06 Dubzex wrote:
Marineking will take second place. First is up for grabs though.
It's a special tournament, he should win.
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On November 04 2011 04:06 Dubzex wrote:
Marineking will take second place. First is up for grabs though.
Or perhaps Marineking will take his SECOND Arena of Legends title. ;-)
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MC Lol... suicide toss indeed
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On November 04 2011 04:15 Nosforit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:06 Dubzex wrote:
Marineking will take second place. First is up for grabs though. Or perhaps Marineking will take his SECOND Arena of Legends title. ;-)
Good point. It is possible that marineking could win his second special tournament.
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On November 04 2011 04:40 Dubzex wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:15 Nosforit wrote:On November 04 2011 04:06 Dubzex wrote:
Marineking will take second place. First is up for grabs though. Or perhaps Marineking will take his SECOND Arena of Legends title. ;-) Good point. It is possible that marineking could win his second special tournament.
Fat chance. The Finals for this one is Live. MKP sucks on live events. Good on online shit though
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On November 03 2011 23:54 red4ce wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2011 21:20 -Archangel- wrote:
This tournament so far only shows that Bo1 should never be used in any serious tournament. ST_Curious ending last in one Bo1 group play and day later ending first in another Bo1 group play with equal level of quality opponents is all the proof against this. Believe it or not, people are not robots. Someone can play poorly one day, then much better the next day.
Which is just another reason to have bo3 and not bo1
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I suspect all of Ganzi's bitching about MMA getting too much of the spotlight finally paid off.
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On November 04 2011 07:04 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
I suspect all of Ganzi's bitching about MMA getting too much of the spotlight finally paid off.
Poor Ryung has been complaining for way longer than that.
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On November 04 2011 07:07 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 07:04 Ghostface_Killa wrote:
I suspect all of Ganzi's bitching about MMA getting too much of the spotlight finally paid off. Poor Ryung has been complaining for way longer than that.
This is true but Ganzi is undeniably more accomplished so Ryung is going to be stuck in the shadows a while longer. It's a bit sad since he has a lot of potential and his nuetral face/ tiny pout look is adorable combined with his personality. Then again I think Taeja is the one being overlooked the most in SlayerS, if the korean weeklies are anything to go by he's innovative as hell and constantly improving.
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Group C has 4 TvZ specialists should be very interesting seeing those games
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Well some of those are questionable, most notably MMA not being there, but those are all great players for a decent prize pool. I really like this format because it really seems to get rid of the bullshit of getting a lucky path to the finals, and just puts you up against the teams best players, though I suppose once again some teams have weaker aces than others... but to a lesser extent I suppose.
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On November 04 2011 04:42 riverkim09 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 04:40 Dubzex wrote:On November 04 2011 04:15 Nosforit wrote:On November 04 2011 04:06 Dubzex wrote:
Marineking will take second place. First is up for grabs though. Or perhaps Marineking will take his SECOND Arena of Legends title. ;-) Good point. It is possible that marineking could win his second special tournament. Fat chance. The Finals for this one is Live. MKP sucks on live events. Good on online shit though
Its still a special tournement, a true kong wins thoes and gets second in starleagues
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Teams not sending their best players doesn't mean that they don't take the tournament seriously. It just shows that they don't care about winning as much as they do getting their other players more known and more experience...
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Thank you GSL for providing a free stream! Hoping MKP can make it 2 for 2 in AOL tournaments!
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Its a special tournament, MKP's got this.
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The vods just got messed up, it's playing GSTL matches now with tastosis. Was working fine until just a little bit ago, I want to finish up where I left off!
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Crossing my fingers for MKP to advance tonight!
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same bug for me with the VOD's
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On November 04 2011 12:46 Pablito8 wrote:
Who is casting?
Khaldor + Moletrap.
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I'm feeling MKP as first place tonight. His TvT has been sloppily lately but his TvP and TvZ have been top-notch. The only real obstacle in his way at the moment is Supernova; I think he can take his match against Nestea.
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shouldn't it start by now?
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Wtf moletraps mic broken.
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is it not working for anyone else?
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the mics from the comentators are down at least moletraps
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I think Moletrap's mic is off T_T
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moletraps mic can stay off :x I was hoping for Khalador and Wolf casting duo T_T
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he sounds better that way.
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United States810 Posts
cant hear moletrap. haters, be nice.
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I agree keep moletraps mic down please.
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Khaldor!!!
and LOL at moletraps mic being broke
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So we're talking on this thread now?
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The mic isn't off, Khaldor can hear him apparently. Hope they notice this problem and fix it.
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This works pretty well, actually.
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I wonder how long till they fix Moletraps' mic.
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On November 04 2011 15:07 koko775 wrote:
The mic isn't off, Khaldor can hear him apparently. Hope they notice this problem and fix it.
They are sitting next to each other...
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Yay khaldor in the house :D
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On November 04 2011 15:09 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 15:07 koko775 wrote:
The mic isn't off, Khaldor can hear him apparently. Hope they notice this problem and fix it. They are sitting next to each other...
Haha in a setup like that you can't hear the person right next to you actually talking, it's all through the headset.
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I think the AOL is casted from the GOM Studio since they have an observer.
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ST_Legend never dissapoints
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I'm really only here for MKP and Khaldor :D
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LOL "Crap we're having technical problems.... ummm.... hit the Bubble Pop button!"
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Yes song title please I will love you eternally.
Edit: Answered by post above me right before I posted this lol. Woot!
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On November 04 2011 15:12 Hopstick wrote:
Yes song title please I will love you eternally.
Hyuna - Bubble Pop
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United States7483 Posts
Is this K-Pop or dubstep?
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Who are those hot korean chicks in short shorts?
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This KPop is ridiculous lol...
Edit: It reminds me SO much of Aqua. It really is just Koreanized Europop :p
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Haha this song is absolutely amazing. I love the little dance.
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On November 04 2011 15:12 Lemonayd wrote:
I'm really only here for MKP and Khaldor :D
Same, I want to see how Khaldor does his first time casting in the GSL!
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K pop MTVs always make me laugh... YYYY???? :O
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Roly Poly, that's what Boxer danced at MLG :D
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wait i bought the season ticket but its not showing up as purchased.... so im stuck w/ free stream and can't see group a VODs.... does anyone else have this problem? Ideas?
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What was that song title? Trying to remember where I've heard it before
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On November 04 2011 15:17 stokes17 wrote:wait i bought the season ticket but its not showing up as purchased.... so im stuck w/ free stream and can't see group a VODs.... does anyone else have this problem? Ideas?
Season ticket for November doesn't count if that's the ticket you bought.
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what was the song that just finished?
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aw, it's fixed now
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On November 04 2011 15:18 babo213 wrote:
What was that song title? Trying to remember where I've heard it before
Hyuna - Bubble Pop
T-ara - Roly Poly.
Where the songs during the break. Damn they fixed Moletraps mic :-(
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On November 04 2011 15:19 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 15:18 babo213 wrote:
What was that song title? Trying to remember where I've heard it before Hyuna - Bubble Pop T-ara - Roly Poly.
Ah yeah T-ara thanks.
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On November 04 2011 15:17 stokes17 wrote:wait i bought the season ticket but its not showing up as purchased.... so im stuck w/ free stream and can't see group a VODs.... does anyone else have this problem? Ideas?
Forced F5 refresh works sometimes to replace your cache.
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On November 04 2011 15:19 Pajegetc wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 15:18 babo213 wrote:
What was that song title? Trying to remember where I've heard it before Hyuna - Bubble Pop T-ara - Roly Poly.
tyty got a couple more songs to add to my kpop playlist for when I ladder, for some reason kpop always gets me in the mood to ladder :D
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On November 04 2011 15:18 Lemonayd wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 15:17 stokes17 wrote:wait i bought the season ticket but its not showing up as purchased.... so im stuck w/ free stream and can't see group a VODs.... does anyone else have this problem? Ideas? Season ticket for November doesn't count if that's the ticket you bought.
It is not, I bought the AOL ticket
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On November 04 2011 15:20 MrBorto wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 15:17 stokes17 wrote:wait i bought the season ticket but its not showing up as purchased.... so im stuck w/ free stream and can't see group a VODs.... does anyone else have this problem? Ideas? Forced F5 refresh works sometimes to replace your cache.
Its not even showing up in my purchase history, even though i have the confirmation email from paypal :/
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United States7483 Posts
Oh shit this is bad for MKP
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Poor MKP, getting manhandled right out the gate.
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lol, cloak banshee followup with reapers.
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Isn't this the second time in three days that this build has killed Marineking?
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Marine king tries to catch up with a double expand but he's pretty dead atm
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As the games are casted from replays, does anyone have information on when the games were actually played?
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United States7483 Posts
Gas before rax < Proxy marauder rush
Not really much to say about it, build order loss for MKP, smart build from Supernova predicting what MKP would do.
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On November 04 2011 15:35 Whitewing wrote:
Gas before rax < Proxy marauder rush
Not really much to say about it, build order loss for MKP, smart build from Supernova predicting what MKP would do.
Supernova got lucky >.< He was pretty much crossing his fingers when he put the proxy rax and it paid off
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United States7483 Posts
Fast stargate like this is pretty bad vs. zerg to be honest nowadays, zergs just make a couple spores and an extra queen or two and laugh.
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United States7483 Posts
Yup, stargate tech managed to put Genius further behind and gave zerg a free third.
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This whole AoL tournament has been so crazy with the upsets.
Which... is entertaining!
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United States7483 Posts
I don't consider genius losing to a zerg to be an upset.
And opening stargate after expo is a great way to give zerg a free win.
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Lol, what? Nestea saw that in plenty of time -_-.
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Nestea screwed up on his defense at the beginning, he needed to put 2-3 drones at least on that scv while the barracks was still going up.
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Oh, I didn't know Korean castings ahead of the English one by a game. Damn spoilers
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Khaldor should practice different ways to 'intensify' a situation. At the moment he basically only does that whole talk slowly at first then gradually get faster thing, but it really only suits a few situations and sounds silly out of place. Not saying he's a bad caster at all... Just he could be a lot better if he tried to speak more naturally rather than trying to sound like a caster 'should' sound. He's great most of the time, though.
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Really intrigued by MKP's style this game O.O;
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Does genius not know how to use chrono boost, or is he actually just that bad? He could have a bunch of more stuff done already if he'd actually use it.
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genius is a moron I think >.> T_T;
why did he attack up that ><;
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Oh wow, Nestea is pissed.
Nestea vs Life spoiler
+ Show Spoiler + nestea 13pool ling/worker rush = 5min gg
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Genius just didn't chronoboost anything past his early probes, could have had 2 more colossi at that push.
And MKP's macro was really bad too, was floating over 1k minerals on two base during that fight, could have had a lot more shit and still rolled Genius.
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On November 04 2011 16:13 anrimayu wrote:Oh wow, Nestea is pissed. Nestea vs Life spoiler + Show Spoiler + nestea 13pool ling/worker rush = 5min gg
Nestea 10 pooled and pulled ~10 drones and all inned life, why would Nestea be pissed?
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On November 04 2011 16:05 Swede wrote:
Khaldor should practice different ways to 'intensify' a situation. At the moment he basically only does that whole talk slowly at first then gradually get faster thing, but it really only suits a few situations and sounds silly out of place. Not saying he's a bad caster at all... Just he could be a lot better if he tried to speak more naturally rather than trying to sound like a caster 'should' sound. He's great most of the time, though.
lol what? how dare he try to sound like a caster should ...
nestea is a bad ass bawler... this turny was litterally on the line for him and he pull his drones for a crazy all in... ooooh baby, nestea <3 just grew three sizes
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Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate.
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On November 04 2011 16:35 Whitewing wrote:
Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate.
The carrier IS the highest dps unit in the game.
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And that's why you don't make carriers Genius.
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On November 04 2011 16:37 Neurosis wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 16:35 Whitewing wrote:
Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate. The carrier IS the highest dps unit in the game.
No it isn't, the thor and the battlecruiser are both higher, and I believe I remember another unit that is higher as well, and that's not counting splash damage units.
Carrier DPS with 8 interceptors (assuming none die): 26.7(+5.3)
Battlecruiser Ground DPS: 35.6(+4.4)
Thor Ground DPS: 46.9(+4.7)
Hell, a charged void ray outdps's the carrier against massive. Immortals do more dps to armored than the carrier does. Ultralisk dps vs. armored is higher than the carrier dps, not counting splash damage.
Carrier dps is actually really terrible for their cost and supply cost.
Where do people keep getting this idea that carriers have the highest dps in the game? What is true is that carriers with all 8 interceptors have the highest dps in the game vs. air units, not counting spells or splash damage, but when you consider that they take 6 supply even this is low dps per supply.
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Genius being completely predictable again, going stargate once more, this time on one base.
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On November 04 2011 16:38 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 16:37 Neurosis wrote:On November 04 2011 16:35 Whitewing wrote:
Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate. The carrier IS the highest dps unit in the game. No it isn't, the thor and the battlecruiser are both higher, and I believe I remember another unit that is higher as well, and that's not counting splash damage units. Carrier DPS with 8 interceptors (assuming none die): 26.7(+5.3) Battlecruiser Ground DPS: 35.6(+4.4) Thor Ground DPS: 46.9(+4.7) Hell, a charged void ray outdps's the carrier against massive. Immortals do more dps to armored than the carrier does. Ultralisk dps vs. armored is higher than the carrier dps, not counting splash damage. Carrier dps is actually really terrible for their cost and supply cost. Where do people keep getting this idea that carriers have the highest dps in the game? What is true is that carriers with all 8 interceptors have the highest dps in the game vs. air units, not counting spells or splash damage, but when you consider that they take 6 supply even this is low dps per supply.
Pretty sure Artosis has said they have the highest DPS a number of times :S
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Fake spire. Genius getting all the wrong units.
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That void ray was surprisingly cost effective, although the fact that the stargate has done nothing else tampers that somewhat. Kind of a wash.
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On November 04 2011 16:50 Swede wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 16:38 Whitewing wrote:On November 04 2011 16:37 Neurosis wrote:On November 04 2011 16:35 Whitewing wrote:
Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate. The carrier IS the highest dps unit in the game. No it isn't, the thor and the battlecruiser are both higher, and I believe I remember another unit that is higher as well, and that's not counting splash damage units. Carrier DPS with 8 interceptors (assuming none die): 26.7(+5.3) Battlecruiser Ground DPS: 35.6(+4.4) Thor Ground DPS: 46.9(+4.7) Hell, a charged void ray outdps's the carrier against massive. Immortals do more dps to armored than the carrier does. Ultralisk dps vs. armored is higher than the carrier dps, not counting splash damage. Carrier dps is actually really terrible for their cost and supply cost. Where do people keep getting this idea that carriers have the highest dps in the game? What is true is that carriers with all 8 interceptors have the highest dps in the game vs. air units, not counting spells or splash damage, but when you consider that they take 6 supply even this is low dps per supply. Pretty sure Artosis has said they have the highest DPS a number of times :S
Oh, then Artosis is just plain wrong, or he's claiming liquipedia is incorrect.
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Holy crap, I did not expect Genius to be able to beat Nestea.
Nestea had some questionable attacks, but still.
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On November 04 2011 17:06 Whitewing wrote:
Holy crap, I did not expect Genius to be able to beat Nestea.
Nestea had some questionable attacks, but still.
He played the best I think any Protoss could do against mutas....obviously you can't expand but he was able to keep attacking and such, it was great to see.
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On November 04 2011 17:09 Ruscour wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 17:06 Whitewing wrote:
Holy crap, I did not expect Genius to be able to beat Nestea.
Nestea had some questionable attacks, but still. He played the best I think any Protoss could do against mutas....obviously you can't expand but he was able to keep attacking and such, it was great to see.
Yeah, Nestea was in horrible shape when he got his mutas out after some bad attacks, and Genius saw it coming and was able to prepare for them.
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WTF, moletrap is retarded. Winner wins all.
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On November 04 2011 17:17 qazadex wrote:
WTF, moletrap is retarded. Winner wins all.
If MKP wins Supernova ist still #1.
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On November 04 2011 16:57 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 16:50 Swede wrote:On November 04 2011 16:38 Whitewing wrote:On November 04 2011 16:37 Neurosis wrote:On November 04 2011 16:35 Whitewing wrote:
Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate. The carrier IS the highest dps unit in the game. No it isn't, the thor and the battlecruiser are both higher, and I believe I remember another unit that is higher as well, and that's not counting splash damage units. Carrier DPS with 8 interceptors (assuming none die): 26.7(+5.3) Battlecruiser Ground DPS: 35.6(+4.4) Thor Ground DPS: 46.9(+4.7) Hell, a charged void ray outdps's the carrier against massive. Immortals do more dps to armored than the carrier does. Ultralisk dps vs. armored is higher than the carrier dps, not counting splash damage. Carrier dps is actually really terrible for their cost and supply cost. Where do people keep getting this idea that carriers have the highest dps in the game? What is true is that carriers with all 8 interceptors have the highest dps in the game vs. air units, not counting spells or splash damage, but when you consider that they take 6 supply even this is low dps per supply. Pretty sure Artosis has said they have the highest DPS a number of times :S Oh, then Artosis is just plain wrong, or he's claiming liquipedia is incorrect.
Edit, made a mistake. Popular misconception is that carrier has the highest dps in the game. The fact is that they have the best upgrade scaling in the game, not the highest dps.
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On November 05 2011 01:14 Nosforit wrote:Show nested quote +On November 04 2011 16:57 Whitewing wrote:On November 04 2011 16:50 Swede wrote:On November 04 2011 16:38 Whitewing wrote:On November 04 2011 16:37 Neurosis wrote:On November 04 2011 16:35 Whitewing wrote:
Also, Moletrap is a moron. Two highest dps units in game the marine and the carrier? He's so wrong it's not even close to accurate. The carrier IS the highest dps unit in the game. No it isn't, the thor and the battlecruiser are both higher, and I believe I remember another unit that is higher as well, and that's not counting splash damage units. Carrier DPS with 8 interceptors (assuming none die): 26.7(+5.3) Battlecruiser Ground DPS: 35.6(+4.4) Thor Ground DPS: 46.9(+4.7) Hell, a charged void ray outdps's the carrier against massive. Immortals do more dps to armored than the carrier does. Ultralisk dps vs. armored is higher than the carrier dps, not counting splash damage. Carrier dps is actually really terrible for their cost and supply cost. Where do people keep getting this idea that carriers have the highest dps in the game? What is true is that carriers with all 8 interceptors have the highest dps in the game vs. air units, not counting spells or splash damage, but when you consider that they take 6 supply even this is low dps per supply. Pretty sure Artosis has said they have the highest DPS a number of times :S Oh, then Artosis is just plain wrong, or he's claiming liquipedia is incorrect. Liquipedia only shows +1 attack and doesn't take into account the interceptor upgrade. Carriers have the best upgrade scaling in the game. Unupgraded, you're right, there are many units with higher dps. However, a fully upgraded Carrier has the highest dps in the game.
x_x;; Situations with Carriers rarely happen much less 3/3/3 Carriers.
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The one caster with moletrap sounds like the director of "The Room"
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Errr does anyone know if this is live in the studio? Want to go today if it is.
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i'm pretty sure its all casted from reps
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The stream is live. Kpop atm. Been a while since I watched a GOM cast.. the free quality is as terrible as ever :/ Damn you long distance!
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anyone else actually watching this?
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yea i am, DRG putting on the heat ^^
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On November 05 2011 15:06 heartlxp wrote:anyone else actually watching this?
Yes just not as many as usual plus it's hard work starting a thread when you want to fall asleep lol.
edit: I'm not starting a thread since I'm about to fall asleep watching this on a couch in a minute.
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SangHo streaming and playing AOL at the same time!
Holy shit what a baller
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Well the last three or four times I saw a Terran die to the roach rush was all Thorzain, I'm glad Koreans Terrans aren't so immune either.
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On November 05 2011 15:10 Foxwolf wrote:
SangHo streaming and playing AOL at the same time!
Holy shit what a baller
Little known fact
Sang ho/killer= Dr. Manhattan
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I thought I would be asleep and I'm not, so I'm watching. In fact this group is amazing, really sad that GOM didn't promoted this at all and announced it one day before. When it was announced during GSL Wednesday, I thought it would be like in some weeks, I would never had imagined they would do a tournament and announce it the day before.
It's a little scary actually, I prefer not even thinking about this ><
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I'm mildly amused that Ganzi is doing the reactor hellion triple orbital, even though all of his teammates got destroyed by the 7 roach push at IPL3, and even though DRG uses the 7 roach push very frequently in zvt.
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guyz did the game start already?
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I can't watch the stream no matter how many times I press "Play".
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Who's casting this? Moletrap and ....?
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On November 05 2011 15:15 Taryssa wrote:
Who's casting this? Moletrap and ....?
Vin Diesel
J/k it's Khaldor :p
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On November 05 2011 15:15 Taryssa wrote:
Who's casting this? Moletrap and ....?
Khaldor.
Try to kill gomplayer.exe or gomstreamer in your task manager for the post above.
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On November 05 2011 15:15 Taryssa wrote:
Who's casting this? Moletrap and ....?
Khaldor
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Just tuned in. Is it just me, or has the free stream gone down in quality even more than the usual GSL?
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TOTAL ANNIHILATION <3
Nice demonstration on how to kill a turtling hellion 3 orbital terran by DRG :o
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On November 05 2011 15:18 MrCon wrote:
TOTAL ANNIHILATION <3
Nice demonstration on how to kill a turtling hellion 3 orbital terran by DRG :o
yea.. the build from ganzi was also just really silly.
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lol poor ganzi. Totally manhandled.
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looks like Ganzi
Just got Gu-ed
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On November 05 2011 15:19 Dominico wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:18 MrCon wrote:
TOTAL ANNIHILATION <3
Nice demonstration on how to kill a turtling hellion 3 orbital terran by DRG :o yea.. the build from ganzi was also just really silly.
yeah. But DRG reacted perfectly. A lot of zergs would just have waited and waited and died.
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no AOL group C thread =(
oh well, good early roach pressure against a greedy Ganzi.
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still take sometimes tho ..
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Wow, when a good zerg plays the right kind of zerg on the right map this is the result...
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That was really disappointing by Ganzi... he had to know that DRG uses the expand roach build alot in TvZ, and he did the build that is basically hard countered by the expand roach build... I don't know what he was thinking...
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DRGGGG!!!
wow I feel like a fangirl
haha
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God I need to sleep now but every matchup I want to watch...I have a ticket to watch the vods but still.
And Khaldor is good at casting.
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Is someone gonna make a proper LR for this?
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wow i love Khaldor casting.
has the hype sound
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On November 05 2011 15:17 KunFuSion wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:15 Taryssa wrote:
Who's casting this? Moletrap and ....? Khaldor
Thanks...haven't heard his voice in a while so was a bit confused.
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LOL. DRG vs Killer on Dual Sight later on. I feel sorry for SangHo already. :p
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On November 05 2011 15:21 Kommander wrote:
LOL. DRG vs Killer on Dual Sight later on. I feel sorry for SangHo already. :p
A good time to see the changes live.
(Dual sight: Changed the gold expansion to normal one(8mineral 2 gas), Natural's entrance is narrowed, 2nd expo's entrances have been split into two pathways.)
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That was a pretty nice idea but I don't think Killer really got delayed or lost much there.
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No much vikings, Killer should go now that he can.
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Is this the first game of the night?
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On November 05 2011 15:32 Tachion wrote:
Is this the first game of the night?
2nd, DRG dismantled Ganzi before.
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DTs didn't work out so well...should have gotten storm :/
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Wtf now Killer is ahead in supply...
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Killer army positioning/engagement is like shit but he gets by thanks to upgrades + warp in zealots. Double forge is so good and protosses like MC should utilise it more.
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Damn thought killer was dead how did he survive O_O
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On November 05 2011 15:36 poorcloud wrote:
Killer army positioning/engagement is like shit but he gets by thanks to upgrades + warp in zealots. Double forge is so good and protosses like MC should utilise it more.
MC's actually using double forge more and more nowadays vT, and I've never seen him lose when he does use it.
Upgrades are really saving Killer's ass right here.
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On November 05 2011 15:37 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:36 poorcloud wrote:
Killer army positioning/engagement is like shit but he gets by thanks to upgrades + warp in zealots. Double forge is so good and protosses like MC should utilise it more. MC's actually using double forge more and more nowadays vT, and I've never seen him lose when he does use it.
Yeah but sometimes he has a brain fart and he decided to upgrade attack only or not upgrade at all, like in the WCG game against MVP.
But yeah, double forge is the way to go. Its an amazing build and gives u the advantage until terran can get his 3 - 3.
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On November 05 2011 15:36 blade55555 wrote:
Damn thought killer was dead how did he survive O_O
Jjakji not paying attention to the zealots on the side.
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wtf did happen. The obs was doing a very good job until that :o
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Ugh Killer really needs storm
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seriously, why no immortals?!
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On November 05 2011 15:37 Kommander wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:36 poorcloud wrote:
Killer army positioning/engagement is like shit but he gets by thanks to upgrades + warp in zealots. Double forge is so good and protosses like MC should utilise it more. MC's actually using double forge more and more nowadays vT, and I've never seen him lose when he does use it.
It's a bit turtlish though, you can't do shit before the 1/1 timing or the 2/2 timing, MC doesn't like to turtle, it doesn't really fit his style.
Oh, Killer's army evaporated, I wonder why :p.
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Wow Killer is putting up a decent fight. Good game
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Killer should push for the win now.
No, don't go defend ! wtf.
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killer getting +3 shield upgrade hahaha
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Threw away those vikings and that engagement turned around REAL fast. This is a great back-and-forth game would love to see how they transition out of this...
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Jjakji has half of his army in 4 dropships, killing a cross map expo, killer is at the other end of the map, in front of jjakja's main...and he retreat xD
Awesome decision making.
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3/3/3 archons/zealots are gonna be a pain in the ass for Terran to deal with :p
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gg wow that was a pretty good game!
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Thank god Killer won that. We need some protoss love.
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What are the results so far? Nobody made a Group C thread.... (opportunity guys!)
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So glad I didn't miss out on this game. Killer played amazingly.
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that +3 shield is retarded TT
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any reason why this is being casted by replays?
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Haha, now I have to put my clock to wake me up at 6pm, I'm good to live at night for a week ><
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Wow Jjakji had so many scv's at that 4th, Killer really should have sent two templar there and stormed the shit out of it.
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I think it's important to notice that jjakji didn't upgrade his vikings, so they did significantly less damage to the 3 armor colossi, and also took significantly more damage from the 3 attack stalkers.
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i like the casting from replays...less down time ftw
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Awesome game, I love the back and forth fights, Killer is a beast.
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On November 05 2011 15:44 Amui wrote:
Thank god Killer won that. We need some protoss love.
Yea no kidding.
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On November 05 2011 15:44 NB wrote:
any reason why this is being casted by replays?
Imo it's because group stages involving that much players would be a nightmare to do live. Only the group stages are from replays tho (and it's like 3 hours old replays if I understood correctly), the rest will be in the studio, live as usual.
edit : it was a great game despite what my constant bitching about Killer could make you think xD
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On November 05 2011 15:44 Caesarion wrote:
So glad I didn't miss out on this game. Killer played amazingly.
His army engagement whole game was pretty bad though. He kept throwing units away or leaving his zealots stuck behind stalkers while his stalkers get destroyed. But he expanded more and his econ lead won him the game.
I'm worried when there is a protoss player who can position his zealots perfectly, he may own so hard.
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I'd love to see Killer make it out of the group. He's not the best protoss... but man, protoss needs SOMEONE to make it out of group stage.
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On November 05 2011 15:46 poorcloud wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:44 Caesarion wrote:
So glad I didn't miss out on this game. Killer played amazingly. His army engagement whole game was pretty bad though. He kept throwing units away or leaving his zealots stuck behind stalkers while his stalkers get destroyed. But he expanded more and his econ lead won him the game. I'm worried when there is a protoss player who can position his zealots perfectly, he may own so hard.
Yea, huk is pretty good.
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On November 05 2011 15:43 Kommander wrote:
3/3/3 archons/zealots are gonna be a pain in the ass for Terran to deal with :p
right xD
I am really getting disappointed watching korean games lately...
Jakji couldn't handle correctly controlling only 2 drops, Killer has around 5-6 unused hotkeys, and loses his whole army due to 1 emp...
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Nice scout there. He saw that super early.
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On November 05 2011 15:43 Kommander wrote:
3/3/3 archons/zealots are gonna be a pain in the ass for Terran to deal with :p
Especially after the next patch this collossus/archon/zealot/ht lategame is gonna be so strong lol. I'm scared
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So wait, why do SCV's have 5 extra health again?
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Don't quite understand GanZi's plan. The very small gain in rush distance isn't worth the ability to deny zerg scouting and wall off.
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What the hell is that banshee play on this map in TvZ. Everyone is doing it...and everyone is killing nestea with it xD
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On November 05 2011 15:48 RockIronrod wrote:
So wait, why do SCV's have 5 extra health again?
because drones regenerate and probes have shield regen?
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WTF is that, leenock ??????
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On November 05 2011 15:47 Gotmog wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:43 Kommander wrote:
3/3/3 archons/zealots are gonna be a pain in the ass for Terran to deal with :p right xD I am really getting disappointed watching korean games lately... Jakji couldn't handle correctly controlling only 2 drops, Killer has around 5-6 unused hotkeys, and loses his whole army in that last engagement due to 1 emp...
Well the same goes for foreigner games. I saw whitera vs ret yesterday and it was pretty bad with both floating 1k over resources at 100 supply. Only perhaps the very best like MVP can macro and use their hotkeys perfectly.
This just goes to show how much the BW pros can improve the game when they come over ^^
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LOL what the hell was he thinking there
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haha game quality sure differs
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WTF Leenock. God damn it.
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Bahahaha. Leenock did an Idra xD
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WTF Leenock, that was the worst handling possible. He had perfect information and died horribly.
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Leenock what are you doing o_o
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On November 05 2011 15:49 doko100 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:48 RockIronrod wrote:
So wait, why do SCV's have 5 extra health again? because drones regenerate and probes have shield regen?
SCVs repair each other and are healed by medivacs.
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On November 05 2011 15:49 MrCon wrote:
What the hell is that banshee play on this map in TvZ. Everyone is doing it...and everyone is killing nestea with it xD
nobody wants to play lategame tvz on zerg beach, gotta go for the quick win lol
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rofl Leenock
That was pretty bad lol, he had it 100% scouted and just snarfed epicly
Thank God this isn't Code S
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Well that was really weird, he was SO beyond prepared for that.
Oh well time to see the new Dual Sight?
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On November 05 2011 15:48 RockIronrod wrote:
So wait, why do SCV's have 5 extra health again?
IIRC it's because they have to build stuff, but it's a bit of a poor reason.
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Rofl. Quality of the games today is pretty low.
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I see that practice with TheBest isn't going too well for Leenock o.O
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Is this all done online? People are paying for this?
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On November 05 2011 15:50 Goibon wrote:
rofl Leenock
That was pretty bad lol, he had it 100% scouted and just snarfed epicly
Thank God this isn't Code S
lol haven't heard snarf in a while
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On November 05 2011 15:50 Beakerbite wrote:
WTF Leenock, that was the worst handling possible. He had perfect information and died horribly.
Leenock's GSL runs always have a little bit of that. He sometimes just doesn't respond fast enough/properly to very basic things. He's got those games that make you go "what?". Like when he lost to LiveForever in Up & Down.
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On November 05 2011 15:50 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:49 doko100 wrote:On November 05 2011 15:48 RockIronrod wrote:
So wait, why do SCV's have 5 extra health again? because drones regenerate and probes have shield regen? SCVs repair each other and are healed by medivacs.
which is completely irrelevant early game lol. if scvs had the same amount of health as probes and drones they would lose every 1-1. it's already a tie vs. drones, because drones regenerate 1 hp immediately so they have like 41 or 42 in a 1v1 not 40 and probes can just pull away and regen shield.
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He moved his spine at a terrible time, poor leenock. If his spine was burrowed in time that wouldn't have killed him. Lame, but so it goes.
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Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously.
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Hang on, Sangho has to play on TDA, Dualsight, Dualsight, Crossfire? Poor guy.
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On November 05 2011 15:51 NGrNecris wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:50 Goibon wrote:
rofl Leenock
That was pretty bad lol, he had it 100% scouted and just snarfed epicly
Thank God this isn't Code S lol haven't heard snarf in a while
That's probably for the best. :D
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On November 05 2011 15:51 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:50 Beakerbite wrote:
WTF Leenock, that was the worst handling possible. He had perfect information and died horribly. Leenock's GSL runs always have a little bit of that. He sometimes just doesn't respond fast enough/properly to very basic things. He's got those games that make you go "what?". Like when he lost to LiveForever in Up & Down.
or to Inca in up & down as well haha!
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I've never really liked this map, for whatever reason, just seems like all the broadcast games are really weird or extremely onesided
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On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously.
I really would like to know the rationale of this.
You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that)
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On November 05 2011 15:52 Xujhan wrote:Hang on, Sangho has to play on TDA, Dualsight, Dualsight, Crossfire? Poor guy.
crossfire is a good map for protoss lol, but yeah dualsight is awful, in TvP it's pretty balanced but other than that it's good for zerg.
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On November 05 2011 15:50 RockIronrod wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:49 doko100 wrote:On November 05 2011 15:48 RockIronrod wrote:
So wait, why do SCV's have 5 extra health again? because drones regenerate and probes have shield regen? SCVs repair each other and are healed by medivacs.
In the beta and in BW, SCVs has 60 health. Probes and drones had the same amount of health as before
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DRG will win this one. It's Dual Sight, the map Protoss doesn't win on unless the zerg screws up really badly.
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Where do I find current results?
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Dual Sight is retarded, as usual.
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On November 05 2011 16:00 TheRealPaciFist wrote:
Where do I find current results?
Liquipedia.
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why is this map in gsl again? no wonder protoss has no success when they always have to play on bad maps like this.
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killer lost his window.. but i think he woulda lost anyways even without the infestors
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Those Infestors are going to be the nail in the coffin, man Killer took a lot of damage.
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Why is this map still in tournament play? I haven't seen a PvZ win on it in months. It isn't really possible for Protoss to take a third without getting oveerextended.
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I want to see a zvp on a non dual sight -_-. Really want to see how they play it on a macro type map :D.
But glad to see DRG rolling through this group like bread.
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On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that)
Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption.
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On November 05 2011 16:05 Ben... wrote:
Why is this map still in tournament play?
Theres many, many maps where you can counter attack.
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TvZ on Antiga next nice, I have been having absolutely zero luck on this map since it was added to the pool...
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On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude.
Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays.
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On November 05 2011 16:05 Ben... wrote:
Why is this map still in tournament play? I haven't seen a PvZ win on it in months. It isn't really possible for Protoss to take a third without getting oveerextended.
And there are also no chokes on the map that you could really forcefield, even your natural is really exposed.
It's just a super dumb map for PvZ.
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i seriously think alot of the protoss UPness in gsl is mostly because of these terrible maps
i mean it wouldnt be hard to create maps with a huge rush distance, small choked expansions easy to FFE on, and easy to take thirds. if every game was played on maps like that protoss might have 90%+ winrates in code S and be seen as "the overpowered race"
of course you dont want all the maps that imbalanced. but man it sure is crappy seeing almost every GSL game being played on maps that are so anti-protoss it hurts
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what? leenock has a 2-0 record vs jjakji.
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On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays.
I agree with you, but I do think that they save their best builds for the Code S games exclusively, since it's a league they can get knocked right out of immediately, and getting back in is not easy.
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Killer is gonna have to play in dual sight again vs leenock
poor guy
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ok leenock, don't have a repeat..
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did I miss opposite day or something? moletrap is exactly wrong about everything he says.
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I really thought Killer could have taken that match, he was in a great position and his +2 timing was strong. Then DRG gets his 1 unit out that wins him the game..... Zerg is the only race I ever see win that way. Toss or Terran will be ahead or even and about to crush the zerg then they get out either infestors or Broodlords... and thats it, GG.
One thing specifically tho, Doesn't it still seem so unnecessary that Blink doesn't work while Fungal'd? And not even about balance it just seems strange a blink upgrade doesn't cancel out movement effects. Stopping massive units is also another way the game seems like it doesn't follow it's own rules.
And Moletrap's attempt at humor is like watching a sad car wreck in slow motion.
"that collosus pops out at the wrong time.... he's like what am I doing here?!?" Oh is that what he was like? Thanks for that epic journey into the mind of a collosus, moletrap.
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Almost every game on this map the terran goes for a hellion contain before the zerg can get a third.
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Leenock, wtf with this simcity :o Well, he's not the only one to like him so I guess he's right, and he has a spine so if a push comes he can position himself, but if a push takes him y surprise his simcity will act against him and funnel the ling blings so tanks will obliterate them :o (it's good against hellions tho)
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On November 05 2011 16:13 Probasaur wrote:
I really thought Killer could have taken that match, he was in a great position and his +2 timing was strong. Then DRG gets his 1 unit out that wins him the game..... Zerg is the only race I ever see win that way. Toss or Terran will be ahead or even and about to crush the zerg then they get out either infestors or Broodlords... and thats it, GG.
One thing specifically tho, Doesn't it still seem so unnecessary that Blink doesn't work while Fungal'd? And not even about balance it just seems strange a blink upgrade doesn't cancel out movement effects. Stopping massive units is also another way the game seems like it doesn't follow it's own rules.
What lol. When you do an all in you have a timing before infestors and he missed it due to DRG's fantastic decision making and counter attacks. Its just like if a zerg does a 2 base roach/hydra attack hoping to win before colossi, but once that colossi pops you are guaranteed to lose same thing as when infestors were out lol.
This post just made my brain hurt -_-.
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After the fail of Leenock, jjakji just snipe his own tanks -.-
Koreans best players ?!
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I really like the idea of a few ling/bling to attack with the muta to try and keep the terran low and defending, but Leenock isn't microing the banes efficiently.
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On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays.
You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments.
Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive.
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On November 05 2011 16:15 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:13 Probasaur wrote:
I really thought Killer could have taken that match, he was in a great position and his +2 timing was strong. Then DRG gets his 1 unit out that wins him the game..... Zerg is the only race I ever see win that way. Toss or Terran will be ahead or even and about to crush the zerg then they get out either infestors or Broodlords... and thats it, GG.
One thing specifically tho, Doesn't it still seem so unnecessary that Blink doesn't work while Fungal'd? And not even about balance it just seems strange a blink upgrade doesn't cancel out movement effects. Stopping massive units is also another way the game seems like it doesn't follow it's own rules. What lol. When you do an all in you have a timing before infestors and he missed it due to DRG's fantastic decision making and counter attacks. Its just like if a zerg does a 2 base roach/hydra attack hoping to win before colossi, but once that colossi pops you are guaranteed to lose same thing as when infestors were out lol. This post just made my brain hurt -_-.
You throw ALL IN around so much, but honestly a timing attack after your 2 bases is fully saturated is far from it.
If you get 1 collosus it helps yeah, but it far from halts a serious roach hydra push. The reason why zerg has these 1 unit wins is because its not just 1 of the 1 unit. Zerg just masses them up in a few seconds, and thats it, no chance for anything in their way.
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Protoss need to move on from these 2 base mass gateway all ins. No, I'm not claiming I'm smarter or better than Killer. Yes I think his strategy is too old and stale to work vs top level zerg players like DRG.
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How is it an all in? Because he doesn't tech? I don't understand.... its a more army focused and less economy or tech focused. But he had +2 how is that an all in?
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Leenock is so disappointing. FFS Leenock get it together, you've played in like 4 GSLs already and have shown moments of brilliance in all.
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On November 05 2011 16:19 Probasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:15 blade55555 wrote:On November 05 2011 16:13 Probasaur wrote:
I really thought Killer could have taken that match, he was in a great position and his +2 timing was strong. Then DRG gets his 1 unit out that wins him the game..... Zerg is the only race I ever see win that way. Toss or Terran will be ahead or even and about to crush the zerg then they get out either infestors or Broodlords... and thats it, GG.
One thing specifically tho, Doesn't it still seem so unnecessary that Blink doesn't work while Fungal'd? And not even about balance it just seems strange a blink upgrade doesn't cancel out movement effects. Stopping massive units is also another way the game seems like it doesn't follow it's own rules. What lol. When you do an all in you have a timing before infestors and he missed it due to DRG's fantastic decision making and counter attacks. Its just like if a zerg does a 2 base roach/hydra attack hoping to win before colossi, but once that colossi pops you are guaranteed to lose same thing as when infestors were out lol. This post just made my brain hurt -_-. You throw ALL IN around so much, but honestly a timing attack after your 2 bases is fully saturated is far from it. If you get 1 collosus it helps yeah, but it far from halts a serious roach hydra push. The reason why zerg has these 1 unit wins is because its not just 1 of the 1 unit. Zerg just masses them up in a few seconds, and thats it, no chance for anything in their way.
It was all in... Did you see him attempt to take a third? no thats an all in. Once his army is killed he loses the game unless zerg has a brain tumor or goes afk or dies or something... Thats the definition of an all in. How is that not all in? He had NO intentions of taking a third that game. If thats not all in then I guess 1 base baneling bust vs terran isn't an all in either.
Just your posts make my brain hurt with... just nvm lol i'm done with this thread.
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Christ Leenock lost so many mutas.
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Leenock chilling with 1.1k gas. Cool.
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On November 05 2011 16:20 Probasaur wrote:
How is it an all in? Because he doesn't tech? I don't understand.... its a more army focused and less economy or tech focused. But he had +2 how is that an all in?
It's designed to kill at a specific timing and if it doesn't, you're behind on tech and economically (considering most zergs will have a 3rd when your attack comes). Honestly it's just a slightly delayed and bigger 4 gate.
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Jjakji has like 15 medivacs...
lol and gg, because nothing ever died
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Zergs are trying to get broodlords too fast. Leenock doesn't have the economy to make the big numbers of corruptors and broods to effectively protect them.
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Gold Bases or not this map still favours Terran heavily imo.
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I realize leenock didnt lose that due to the ghosts... but man do I ever LOATHE ghosts as a P/Z player...
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ultra banes would have been a better tech against ghosts.
But I have a feeling a lot of zergs will head to the balance discussion topic right around now...
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On November 05 2011 16:19 Neurosis wrote:
Protoss need to move on from these 2 base mass gateway all ins. No, I'm not claiming I'm smarter or better than Killer. Yes I think his strategy is too old and stale to work vs top level zerg players like DRG. It's the map that he lost too, not DRG. Protoss has a win percentage on Dual Sight way below 50% because there is no safe way to take a third without overextending your army, which leaves 2 base play, and the Zerg can basically prepare for a timing blindly because there is no other option as Protoss.
They would play Mr.Taxi.
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SNSD in Japanese? Oh yeah...
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On November 05 2011 16:27 neoghaleon55 wrote:
ultra banes would have been a better tech against ghosts.
But I have a feeling a lot of zergs will head to the balance discussion topic right around now...
ghosts had nothing to do with leenock losing this game. he got outplayed. the best way to counter mass ghosts is mass muta/roach/banelings
you can harrass the terran with mutas everywhere, pick of tanks etc and then attack with roaches and blings because ghosts are awful against both of them. making broodlords against ghosts is just a mistake, especially when you are behind in economy.
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On November 05 2011 16:27 neoghaleon55 wrote:
ultra banes would have been a better tech against ghosts.
But I have a feeling a lot of zergs will head to the balance discussion topic right around now...
you realize ghosts counter ultras with snipe also and ghosts are not light units?
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On November 05 2011 16:21 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:19 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:15 blade55555 wrote:On November 05 2011 16:13 Probasaur wrote:
I really thought Killer could have taken that match, he was in a great position and his +2 timing was strong. Then DRG gets his 1 unit out that wins him the game..... Zerg is the only race I ever see win that way. Toss or Terran will be ahead or even and about to crush the zerg then they get out either infestors or Broodlords... and thats it, GG.
One thing specifically tho, Doesn't it still seem so unnecessary that Blink doesn't work while Fungal'd? And not even about balance it just seems strange a blink upgrade doesn't cancel out movement effects. Stopping massive units is also another way the game seems like it doesn't follow it's own rules. What lol. When you do an all in you have a timing before infestors and he missed it due to DRG's fantastic decision making and counter attacks. Its just like if a zerg does a 2 base roach/hydra attack hoping to win before colossi, but once that colossi pops you are guaranteed to lose same thing as when infestors were out lol. This post just made my brain hurt -_-. You throw ALL IN around so much, but honestly a timing attack after your 2 bases is fully saturated is far from it. If you get 1 collosus it helps yeah, but it far from halts a serious roach hydra push. The reason why zerg has these 1 unit wins is because its not just 1 of the 1 unit. Zerg just masses them up in a few seconds, and thats it, no chance for anything in their way. It was all in... Did you see him attempt to take a third? no thats an all in. Once his army is killed he loses the game unless zerg has a brain tumor or goes afk or dies or something... Thats the definition of an all in. How is that not all in? He had NO intentions of taking a third that game. If thats not all in then I guess 1 base baneling bust vs terran isn't an all in either. Just your posts make my brain hurt with... just nvm lol i'm done with this thread.
Just your brain had just prolly been hurting long before I just came along.
How would you know if he intended to take a 3rd? He had to keep making units to stop from dying. Zerg had 3 bases and toss had 2.... I've heard a million times zerg is supposed to be usually be up 1 base. Disregarding that, what game do you remember where a zerg kills a toss army decisively and the game isn't over when it isn't late game? Hell even late game it is still nearly impossible.
Also why no answer to my response about how getting 1 collosus out is equivalent to zerg getting to infestor or broodlord tech??? Here it is again in case you missed it...
"If you get 1 collosus it helps yeah, but it far from halts a serious roach hydra push. The reason why zerg has these 1 unit wins is because its not just 1 of the 1 unit. Zerg just masses them up in a few seconds, and thats it, no chance for anything in their way"
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Gonna be honest... I didn't really care about the result of that match. I don't expect either Jjakji or Leenock to make it out.
The next match, however, I am looking forward to. Ganzi v Killer is very likely THE game to see who takes second in the group.
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Yeah, good call. The LR wasn't up for the start of the AoL though, at least in the first few pages of tourneys.
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On November 05 2011 16:21 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:19 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:15 blade55555 wrote:On November 05 2011 16:13 Probasaur wrote:
I really thought Killer could have taken that match, he was in a great position and his +2 timing was strong. Then DRG gets his 1 unit out that wins him the game..... Zerg is the only race I ever see win that way. Toss or Terran will be ahead or even and about to crush the zerg then they get out either infestors or Broodlords... and thats it, GG.
One thing specifically tho, Doesn't it still seem so unnecessary that Blink doesn't work while Fungal'd? And not even about balance it just seems strange a blink upgrade doesn't cancel out movement effects. Stopping massive units is also another way the game seems like it doesn't follow it's own rules. What lol. When you do an all in you have a timing before infestors and he missed it due to DRG's fantastic decision making and counter attacks. Its just like if a zerg does a 2 base roach/hydra attack hoping to win before colossi, but once that colossi pops you are guaranteed to lose same thing as when infestors were out lol. This post just made my brain hurt -_-. You throw ALL IN around so much, but honestly a timing attack after your 2 bases is fully saturated is far from it. If you get 1 collosus it helps yeah, but it far from halts a serious roach hydra push. The reason why zerg has these 1 unit wins is because its not just 1 of the 1 unit. Zerg just masses them up in a few seconds, and thats it, no chance for anything in their way. It was all in... Did you see him attempt to take a third? no thats an all in. Once his army is killed he loses the game unless zerg has a brain tumor or goes afk or dies or something... Thats the definition of an all in. How is that not all in? He had NO intentions of taking a third that game. If thats not all in then I guess 1 base baneling bust vs terran isn't an all in either. Just your posts make my brain hurt with... just nvm lol i'm done with this thread.
Just your brain had just prolly been hurting long before I just came along.
How would you know if he intended to take a 3rd? He had to keep making units to stop from dying. Zerg had 3 bases and toss had 2.... I've heard a million times zerg is supposed to be usually be up 1 base. Disregarding that, what game do you remember where a zerg kills a toss army decisively and the game isn't over when it isn't late game? Hell even late game it is still nearly impossible.
Also why no answer to my response about how you think getting 1 collosus out is equivalent to zerg getting to infestor or broodlord tech??? Here it is again in case you missed it...
"If you get 1 collosus it helps yeah, but it far from halts a serious roach hydra push. The reason why zerg has these 1 unit wins is because its not just 1 of the 1 unit. Zerg just masses them up in a few seconds, and thats it, no chance for anything in their way"
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On November 05 2011 16:26 MrKn4rz wrote:
Gold Bases or not this map still favours Terran heavily imo.
TLPD actually has zerg favored winrates though.
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On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive.
I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality.
They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?)
Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree.
But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness.
Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft.
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Did the stream just end for anyone else?
"Cannot play this media file Error Code: 0x00000051"
Happened right in the middle of Ganzi-DRG
*Ok stream came back about 10 minutes later, tried refreshing and hitting play many times. No idea what changed
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On November 05 2011 16:44 CowMoo wrote:
Did the stream just end for anyone else?
"Cannot play this media file Error Code: 0x00000051"
Happened right in the middle of Ganzi-DRG
just press play on gomplayer again =)
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On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft.
You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament.
Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student who has two exams coming up (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 95 or above, which will earn you a decent prize, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam.
For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester.
Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other factors (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. Not using their best builds, not preparing special builds for AOL would be indicators to me that they do not take AOL as seriously as they would something like Code S. I mean, if AOL is just as important, why woudn't you use your best builds?
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On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc.
I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not.
What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually.
And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP.
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If you guys don't understand it at this point then there is no use to continue explaining. I guess we'll agree to disagree. Without actual details on their preparation for each tournament, it is a fruitless discussion to continue.
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You're not trying to see it from the other side tho... you're entrenched and you aren't taking obvious facts into consideration.... I'm asking you if there's more to your point something I'm not hearing cause right now it doesn't add up man right now it seems like you don't understand how a starcraft pro prepares for games and practices.
How do you think they practice any less or focus any less? In what way?
Does anyone else find Khaldor more and more long winded??
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There are different ways to practice and prepare. There's ladder. There's playing with specific scenarios with teammates or other skilled friends, or even custom maps for a specific scenario. There's analyzing your mistakes, and there is preparing specifically for certain players. I'm not saying they automatically go from playing 10 hours a day to 5, but perhaps they go from 4 hours of teammate practice, 3 hours of analyzing replays, and 3 hours of analyzing opponents to 8 hours of ladder and 2 hours of random stuff.
Anyway, (in my opinion) the players do not take AOL as seriously as Code S. Not something I can prove, or anyone can disprove without insight from the players participating in both.
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Leenock is pissed.
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On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP.
They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent.
And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches.
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Huh. This isn't the first time Killer gets owned by a sloppy wall. He should really work on it, it's literally losing him games.
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I love how most of the players just doesn't give a shit about this league. 1 basing zerg, carriers etc. Pretty funny.
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On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches.
Okay but this isn't some online tournament or some ladder match. It's still a GOM match that is televised and gives you points. Not to mention the money. I don't care how much Code S is, that doesn't mean they dont want to win this cause its less when its still a substantial amount.
I'll agree that if they have a Code S match coming up at the same time as one of these then they will solely practice for that Code S match. But there's seemingly no difference in preparing for the group stages. I highly doubt they train for all 3 opponents when they might not even be playing 1 of them.
Facepalm moment for Khaldor. "Great scan for the Terran player's opponent." Thats why you LEARN THEIR FUCKIN NAMES DUDE!! My god he really urks me.... stop being stupid Khaldor youre being paid to do this you can learn their names. Or do you just like saying Terran player/Zerg player/ Protoss player that much you even say it during a TvT???
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On November 05 2011 17:31 Probasaur wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches. Okay but this isn't some online tournament or some ladder match. It's still a GOM match that is televised and gives you points. Not to mention the money. I don't care how much Code S is, that doesn't mean they dont want to win this cause its less when its still a substantial amount. I'll agree that if they have a Code S match coming up at the same time as one of these then they will solely practice for that Code S match. But there's seemingly no difference in preparing for the group stages. I highly doubt they train for all 3 opponents when they might not even be playing 1 of them.
It is a online tournament...
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On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches.
Ok, so I guess every single Korean who goes to MLG is "not taking the tournament seriously" by your (and other above) standards.
You can't practice for an opponent.
You don't know your opponents.
The prizepool is smaller at MLG.
And you're totally tired most of the time.
Please people, compare "korean playing in foreigner tournaments" to this. Why would Korean play better at MLG than at this ? And I'm sure most of you never thought about Korean not taking MLG seriously.
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On November 05 2011 17:35 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches. Ok, so I guess every single Korean who goes to MLG is "not taking the tournament seriously" by your (and other above) standards. You can't practice for an opponent. You don't know your opponents. And you're totally tired most of the time. Please people, compare "korean playing in foreigner tournaments" to this. Why would Korean play better at MLG than at this ?
Because there are hundreds of fans cheering for them and they travel pretty far for that. While this Tournament is played from their own home.
Edit: wtf? Last match is not going to be played? Even if it doesnt matter it kinda sucks since I tuned in for that exact match.
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On November 05 2011 17:35 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches. Ok, so I guess every single Korean who goes to MLG is "not taking the tournament seriously" by your (and other above) standards. You can't practice for an opponent. You don't know your opponents. The prizepool is smaller at MLG. And you're totally tired most of the time. Please people, compare "korean playing in foreigner tournaments" to this. Why would Korean play better at MLG than at this ?
It costs thousands of dollars to send a Korean to a foreign event. That seems like a good enough reason to take it seriously, not to mention they are LAN events and not online events like AOL. Good points above as well. No crowd or anything either.
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On November 05 2011 17:35 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 15:52 Zalithian wrote:
Seems like none of the players take AOL very seriously. I really would like to know the rationale of this. You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches. Ok, so I guess every single Korean who goes to MLG is "not taking the tournament seriously" by your (and other above) standards. You can't practice for an opponent. You don't know your opponents. The prizepool is smaller at MLG. And you're totally tired most of the time. Please people, compare "korean playing in foreigner tournaments" to this. Why would Korean play better at MLG than at this ?
When did I say they were "not taking the tournament seriously"? I just said they're less focused and less motivated to train/practice hard for it. MLG is different because it's a LAN tournament where you interact with your opponents(which naturally makes you want to beat them more) and because of Korean pride. When you're playing against foreigners, representing your country, you're probably more motivated to try hard. Also, MLG points are worth something unlike this tournament. It got a lot of Koreans qualified for Providence which has a much larger prize pool.
edit: Oh... and the Code S spot.
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On November 05 2011 17:37 MrKn4rz wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:35 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 15:54 MrCon wrote:
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I really would like to know the rationale of this.
You think Leenock said to himself : "I don't take this tourney seriously lol, so I'll lose to 3 hellions when even in ladder I defend that in my sleep". He just fucked up, explain which part of "taking seriously" would change anything to what happened (unless he played drunk or stoned, in that case yeah, you can say that) Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches. Ok, so I guess every single Korean who goes to MLG is "not taking the tournament seriously" by your (and other above) standards. You can't practice for an opponent. You don't know your opponents. And you're totally tired most of the time. Please people, compare "korean playing in foreigner tournaments" to this. Why would Korean play better at MLG than at this ? Because there are hundreds of fans cheering for them and they travel pretty far for that. While this Tournament is played from their own home.
Ok that's a good point.
So the lack of fans is the reason why they don't take this tourney seriously, this is the conclusion.
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On November 05 2011 17:41 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:37 MrKn4rz wrote:On November 05 2011 17:35 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 17:20 Kiyo. wrote:On November 05 2011 16:58 Probasaur wrote:On November 05 2011 16:52 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:42 MrCon wrote:On November 05 2011 16:17 Zalithian wrote:On November 05 2011 16:07 Techno wrote:On November 05 2011 16:06 Zalithian wrote:
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Have you been watching much AOL? Almost all the games are uncharacteristically sloppy. So many dumb mistakes by a lot of players. I doubt there is much room to argue that people take AOL as seriously as Code S. Seems like AOL is more for fun in the players view than Code S. I certainly don't have inside information on how they prepare for AOL vs Code S, but based on the gameplay I don't think it is an unreasonable assumption. Whatever helps you sleep at night, dude. Frankly, I think everyone knows that every professional player wants to win every single game (s)he plays. You really think every pro puts in maximum effort and focus into every game/tourney they play? There is much less on the line in this invitational than there is for Code S. The Code S prize pool dwarfs the AOL prize pool. People in AOL also do not need to worry about dropping into Code A or even worse, out of GSL. First prize for this invitational is $9,000. While a fair amount of money, it does not even compare to the amount you get for winning Code S or other significant tournaments. Remember, professionals play to make money, but to think that they prepare the same under vastly different circumstances seems a bit naive. I still don't understand the reasoning, unless you think the skill level is proportional with the prizepool. So what happen when they train ? No money so no skill used in training ? This is a extreme example so you understand that this reasoning is just theorycraft and doesn't apply in reality. They don't prepare builds, I can get that (but even that is theorycrafting, I mean, they play 12 hours a day, tomorrow they have to face 4 opponents, what do you think they'll do today ? What do you think the coach is doing ?) Not showing their "secret" builds, that I agree. But being sloppy ? Hell no. Unless they don't take it seriously at all and party the night before and haven't slept before their game, or unless they're drunk or stoned, or unless they're watching TV while playing, I don't see how "not taking seriously" a tournament could induce sloppiness. Try to define what you mean by "not taking seriously", and try to actually and concretely put words on how and why it'll affect their play, then you'll see that this concept is pure theorycraft. You fail to see how not preparing as much and not focusing as much could lead to being sloppy? Well then. Being less focused or not practicing as seriously is exactly what leads good players to play sloppily, aside from pressure and nerves. Not much pressure at all for this tournament. Let me give you an example. Let's say you're a college student (that's your only job). In the first exam, you don't get anything unless you score a 90 or above, and there is no negative consequence even if you fail the exam. For the second exam, you can get a great reward by doing well (a 90 or above) and still a decent reward by scoring an 80-90, but if you happen to score less than an 80 you are dropped into a remedial class with essentially no rewards, and the possibility that you will be kicked out of school for the rest of the semester. Are you honestly going to spend 10 hours a day studying for both exams? Are you really going to put the same amount of effort into both? I would agree pros want to win as many games as possible, but I do not agree that things like Prize Pool and other facts (like potentially being kicked out of GSL) do not motivate players to practice more, focus harder, etc. I don't get it..... are you arguing that they stop practicing as hard before this tournament?? I can assure you that starcraft pro's, especially koreans, usually practice every day all day no matter if they have upcoming tournament matches or not. What are you trying to say? How would their practice be any different? Your analogy didn't clear up anything, made your point more convoluted actually. And you say prize pool effects your focus like the bigger the pool the more focus. Idk how that applies here tho.... players are always as focused as they are capable of. You think if they could just focus more cause of how bad they want it? Then no one would ever lose in Code S and they'd all be named MVP. They don't practice/prepare as hard because they can't. One, they just found out the groups a few days ago. Two, they can't train for everyone. In Code S you get weeks to prepare for an opponent. And yes, prize pool does affect focus. Players aren't "always as focused as they are capable of". Ask any player and they'll tell you they lose focus sometimes, especially during unimportant matches. Ok, so I guess every single Korean who goes to MLG is "not taking the tournament seriously" by your (and other above) standards. You can't practice for an opponent. You don't know your opponents. And you're totally tired most of the time. Please people, compare "korean playing in foreigner tournaments" to this. Why would Korean play better at MLG than at this ? Because there are hundreds of fans cheering for them and they travel pretty far for that. While this Tournament is played from their own home. Ok that's a good point. So the lack of fans is the reason why they don't take this tourney seriously, this is the conclusion.
Same as above poster. Nobody said they are not taking it seriously.
Also you cant really judge from a couple Bo1s.
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Train/practice hard for it? I guarantee you they practice JUST AS HARD as they do for any tournament. The only difference there might be in their play is when it comes to the actual games, and thats because being at a big LAN or on TV in a booth for Code S or Code A is that when you're at home you aren't nervous as all hell and can focus BETTER. You guys keep making the point that higher the stakes the more they focus when in reality its more likely harder to focus when more is on the line and you have it in the back of your head how important the games are. When the stakes are lower you aren't under as much pressure allowing you to focus more.
The only thing you can say is that for Code S (not group stages) they can practice for that specific opponent and yeah some of them do, but we also hear a lot of them don't even do that they just practice against the race not the player. I'm sure they do the same thing for smaller tournaments as well. You gotta remember their coaches are there every day keeping them focused, their job is to help them prepare for tournamentS.
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On November 05 2011 17:46 Probasaur wrote:
Train/practice hard for it? I guarantee you they practice JUST AS HARD as they do for any tournament. The only difference there might be in their play is when it comes to the actual games, and thats because being at a big LAN or on TV in a booth for Code S or Code A is that when you're at home you aren't nervous as all hell and can focus BETTER. You guys keep making the point that higher the stakes the more they focus when in reality its more likely harder to focus when more is on the line and you have it in the back of your head how important the games are.
How would you know that? Have you played for huge amount of money before or even competed infront of an Audience. It actually differs from person to person so you cant really say that.
In fact I did compete in a couple Skateboard Tournaments before infront of an Audience of around 100 people and I was able to do my absoulte best BECAUSE I was so nervous/excited. But well that is just my experience.
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On November 05 2011 17:31 Probasaur wrote:
Facepalm moment for Khaldor. "Great scan for the Terran player's opponent." Thats why you LEARN THEIR FUCKIN NAMES DUDE!! My god he really urks me.... stop being stupid Khaldor youre being paid to do this you can learn their names. Or do you just like saying Terran player/Zerg player/ Protoss player that much you even say it during a TvT???
You dont really get that I did that on purpose so I would not repeat the players name for the 10th time in a row, did you? ^^ Try to keep up please it just sounds stupid as hell if you repeat their names OVER and OVER again. Thats why one says things like that or "the red terran". But hey, always happy to help ^^
Thanks guys for tuning in today, hope the rest of you enjoyed the show! DoA and Wolf will bring you Group D tomorrow to determine the last two players who advance to the round of 8!!
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On November 05 2011 17:59 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 05 2011 17:31 Probasaur wrote:
Facepalm moment for Khaldor. "Great scan for the Terran player's opponent." Thats why you LEARN THEIR FUCKIN NAMES DUDE!! My god he really urks me.... stop being stupid Khaldor youre being paid to do this you can learn their names. Or do you just like saying Terran player/Zerg player/ Protoss player that much you even say it during a TvT??? You dont really get that I did that on purpose so I would not repeat the players name for the 10th time in a row, did you? ^^ Try to keep up please it just sounds stupid as hell if you repeat their names OVER and OVER again. Thats why one says things like that or "the red terran". But hey, always happy to help ^^ Thanks guys for tuning in today, hope the rest of you enjoyed the show! DoA and Wolf will bring you Group D tomorrow to determine the last two players who advance to the round of 8!!
I think most people agree that you've been awesome the last couple of days Khaldor. Don't listen to the idiots out there.
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Thanks I have to admit that I was really surprised by all the positive feedback that I got from you guys the last few days! I was expecting a lot more hate to be honest ^^ Thank you very much and I'll do my best to further improve my casting. Staying at the GOM House and talking to pro players will definitely help me on that as well!
Need to improve my english as well, right now I have some phrases that I still use way to often while casting. But I'll make sure to improve on those points! Thanks for the support!
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37024 Posts
Guys quick question regarding the GSL:
If my friend and I were to split the cost of a ticket, would we both be able to watch the GSL?
Sorry for asking this kind of question but we're kind of desperate right now :[
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On November 05 2011 18:45 Seeker wrote:
Guys quick question regarding the GSL:
If my friend and I were to split the cost of a ticket, would we both be able to watch the GSL?
Sorry for asking this kind of question but we're kind of desperate right now :[
VOD's yes, Live Stream no. Should support GOM and both get a ticket though. $5 is basically a mcdonald's meal or a coffee from starbucks.
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Really nice initiative, keep it up!
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Am I the only one who's extremely disappointed that Moletrap and Khaldor are using a monitor where they can't see part of the minimap (and have had to apologize for it during Group B and C as far as I can remember)? I mean, when you're casting a game of Starcraft you should have an idea of what's going on at all times. Watching the minimap is just as necessary for a caster as a player, because you need to know what's going on at all times, and not being able to see part of it is just unacceptable.
I'm not even sure who should get the bulk of the blame for this, either. Moletrap and Khaldor for not telling GOM they had an issue seeing the minimap? GOM for not fixing it when the casters have mentioned it multiple times? If I remember correctly (I probably don't, but I'll try) Tastosis had an issue in one of the earlier GSLs where their monitors were setup in such a way that they couldn't see the entire screen either. Does that strike anyone else as completely ridiculous, that a Starcraft 2 tournament with as high a production value as the GSL would leave the games' casters partially blind?
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On November 06 2011 15:43 _Depression wrote:
I'm not even sure who should get the bulk of the blame for this, either. Moletrap and Khaldor for not telling GOM they had an issue seeing the minimap?
Why do you assume we didn't mention that? Of course we did. Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible to fix that problem at the moment. So right now there's nothing we can do about it.
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On November 06 2011 19:00 Khaldor wrote:Show nested quote +On November 06 2011 15:43 _Depression wrote:
I'm not even sure who should get the bulk of the blame for this, either. Moletrap and Khaldor for not telling GOM they had an issue seeing the minimap? Why do you assume we didn't mention that? Of course we did. Unfortunately it doesn't seem possible to fix that problem at the moment. So right now there's nothing we can do about it.
I only said that because I assumed that, had you brought up your concerns to GOM, they would proactively try to fix it. Obviously I gave them too much credit.
Either way, I still enjoy the games a lot and you and Moletrap are doing a great job even with your handicap. I just find it a little concerning that you're forced to cast the games blind. Which also begs the question - just how much of the minimap is blocked/covered on your monitor?
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American Online? :D
You've got mail.
Sweet! xD
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what's the deal with this being cast from replays and not live?
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On November 05 2011 18:16 Khaldor wrote:Thanks I have to admit that I was really surprised by all the positive feedback that I got from you guys the last few days! I was expecting a lot more hate to be honest ^^ Thank you very much and I'll do my best to further improve my casting. Staying at the GOM House and talking to pro players will definitely help me on that as well! Need to improve my english as well, right now I have some phrases that I still use way to often while casting. But I'll make sure to improve on those points! Thanks for the support!
Thanks to you, Khaldor, great casting
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On November 08 2011 13:01 bovi wrote:
what's the deal with this being cast from replays and not live?
It's an online tournament.
There is the risk of someone stream cheating if it is live.
Replays make sense.
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On November 09 2011 22:47 BigKahunaBurger wrote:Show nested quote +On November 08 2011 13:01 bovi wrote:
what's the deal with this being cast from replays and not live? It's an online tournament. There is the risk of someone stream cheating if it is live. Replays make sense.
And from what Jon said in the day one thread, they played the games in the morning and then cast them in the afternoon, so it's not like it's a big delay anyways where they're playing on a previous patch or something. Best way to do an online tournament like this imo, no complaints. The Ro8 on will be done live, anyways.
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Ganzi vs. Curious in 15 minutes right? I can't find anything on TL calendar.
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It is. Nestea vs Bbongbbong after that.
I don't see any tourney threads or on the calendar either. :\
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Bumping this because there is no AoL Ro4 thread! GanZi and Bboong are 1-1! :O
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Can't wait to see MVP play again. + Show Spoiler +He just thrashed MKP like 10 mins ago in the WCG Korea finals!
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+ Show Spoiler +On November 12 2011 15:42 ig0tfish wrote:
Can't wait to see MVP play again. He just thrashed MKP like 10 mins ago in the WCG Korea finals! Hmm... On November 12 2011 15:42 ig0tfish wrote:
like 10 mins ago Then you might want to put a spoiler tag on it.
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Wow, cc first on the low ground vs zerg on dual sight is so, so, SO dangerous :o
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It sucks how the foreign stream just shows a dumb screenshot of the bracket even though this is an offline tournament held at the same place as WCG.
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On November 12 2011 15:50 Clefairy wrote:
It sucks how the foreign stream just shows a dumb screenshot of the bracket even though this is an offline tournament held at the same place as WCG.
I agree. When they announced it was online then offline I thought that there would be some live production for the offline part.
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why is the quality so terrible?
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really nice marine splits there from Ganzi
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Disappointing play by BBB, seems he had no plan, no answer to anything.
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Grats to ganzi! So glad to see him beat the cheesy Bboongbbong!
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/3QJmR.jpg)
Foreign fans are missing out on the tournament.
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On November 12 2011 15:55 jmbthirteen wrote:
really nice marine splits there from Ganzi
Though they were just against slow banelings off creep (unless I missed some other ones)... all in all there seem to be lots of mistakes by BB; it didn't feel like Ganzi played amazingly but he seemed pretty solid while BB was rather shaky.
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MVP vs SN, I'm hyped for this one
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This is TOP vs MVP game 1 all over again !
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wtf, why am i getting the "cannot play this file" error for the stream?
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On November 12 2011 15:55 jmbthirteen wrote:
really nice marine splits there from Ganzi
Ganzi has nice splits but he always does splits then he looks away from his army........during a fight..... nullifying his splits.
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I love GanZi, but I love Mvp more.
Sorry GanZi.
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On November 13 2011 10:34 bucckevin wrote:Show nested quote +On November 12 2011 15:55 jmbthirteen wrote:
really nice marine splits there from Ganzi Ganzi has nice splits but he always does splits then he looks away from his army........during a fight..... nullifying his splits.
Almost as bad as Bomber, who begins to split like a boss, then doesn't finish them and lets his entire army die to banelings while he goes and macros up another army.
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http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Arena of Legends/Team Ace Invitational
