EPTHuK replaces MC in ASUS ROG Stars Invite - Page 6
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TheWarbler
United States1659 Posts
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:45 Sniper937 wrote: then neither does the tournament winnings. unless you can somehow prove that tournament prize pool directly relates to higher tournament competition. what are you talking about? salary is not in direct immediate connection with performance. sponsors don't change salaries immediately after small periods. HuK would still earn well if he didn't win anything for 3 months, and Millenium recently outbid Col on Stephano so probably he earns well too... the arguing was about who's more "succesful", and winnings is a way to determine that not the only way, but certainly a way- that's why one shouldn't make statements like "huk's the most succesful". because there are more ways to decide. | ||
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CeriseCherries
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Sniper937
Canada23 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:53 msjakofsky wrote: what are you talking about? salary is not in direct immediate connection with performance. sponsors don't change salaries immediately after small periods. HuK would still earn well if he didn't win anything for 3 months, and Millenium recently outbid Col on Stephano so probably he earns well too... the arguing was about who's more "succesful", and winnings is a way to determine that not the only way, but certainly a way- that's why one shouldn't make statements like "huk's the most succesful". because there are more ways to decide. im using your logic. higher salary means sponsors want that player more. and they want that player more because he is better. now please try to explain why you think higher tournament prize pool actually makes a player better, or more accomplished. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
 Gl HuK. | ||
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Bullet
United States280 Posts
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:58 Sniper937 wrote: im using your logic. higher salary means sponsors want that player more. and they want that player more because he is better. now please try to explain why you think higher tournament prize pool actually makes a player better, or more accomplished. ok i'll try to explain. if your mommy gives you 10 cents and you steal 5 cents from your kindergarten mates, you are a worse bully than your friend who gets 5 cents from his mommy but steals 10 cents. cuz the payoff of your performance is less. comprende?  to you EG paying a lot of money equals as succesful in starcraft? Machine probably gets more money from EG than Ret from TL and who's the more succesful player? Machine? | ||
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:53 msjakofsky wrote: what are you talking about? salary is not in direct immediate connection with performance. sponsors don't change salaries immediately after small periods. HuK would still earn well if he didn't win anything for 3 months, and Millenium recently outbid Col on Stephano so probably he earns well too... the arguing was about who's more "succesful", and winnings is a way to determine that not the only way, but certainly a way- that's why one shouldn't make statements like "huk's the most succesful". because there are more ways to decide. Winning$ is a terrible way to determine success because it scales horribly. Are you suggesting that Stephano's IPL win is equal to 6 MLG wins? I hope not. IPL3 and ESCW were huge wins for Stephano, but just because their prize money is bigger doesn't make them more prestigious than Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, etc. | ||
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double620
China804 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:59 Bullet wrote: It's weird to say this, but this tournament got more difficult to win with a foreigner replacing a "top tier" korean. @_@ i like. ^^ I guess a lot of top players would tell you they prefer to playing huk, comparing to Mc. List is long man. Players such as stephano, Idra, select, thorzain, sheth, Bomber, MVP (who says the game against Mc was the hardest game he had in the season even though he won and knocked Mc out Code S and said the games against Huk were easy to him), Sjow. | ||
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:06 red4ce wrote: Winning$ is a terrible way to determine success because it scales horribly. Are you suggesting that Stephano's IPL win is equal to 6 MLG wins? I hope not. IPL3 and ESCW were huge wins for Stephano, but just because their prize money is bigger doesn't make them more prestigious than Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, etc. i emphasized that it is one way to decide, not the only | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
HuK is my favorite player, so it's kind of a good deal, sorry MC (Would have traded IdrA to have MC back though, I'm protoss so eh...) | ||
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Stanium
Canada2 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:08 double620 wrote: I guess a lot of top players would tell you they prefer to playing huk, comparing to Mc. List is long man. Players such as stephano, Idra, select, thorzain, sheth, Bomber, MVP (who says the game against Mc was the hardest game he had in the season even though he won and knocked Mc out Code S and said the games against Huk were easy to him), Sjow. I'm assuming the majority of the list is made up or perhaps dated (if it's not than my apologies). However, we can also look back to MLG where July says Huk was scary and MC was not. | ||
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Sniper937
Canada23 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:06 red4ce wrote: Winning$ is a terrible way to determine success because it scales horribly. Are you suggesting that Stephano's IPL win is equal to 6 MLG wins? I hope not. IPL3 and ESCW were huge wins for Stephano, but just because their prize money is bigger doesn't make them more prestigious than Dreamhack, IEM, MLG, etc. dont bother trying to argue with him. he just doesnt get it. | ||
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fer
Canada375 Posts
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msjakofsky
1169 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:11 Sniper937 wrote: dont bother trying to argue with him. he just doesnt get it. to me it seems you don't get what i'm saying, so really what's the point of stating this? you think if you agree with someone else you'll be right? anyways, i'm off. good night | ||
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Sniper937
Canada23 Posts
On October 27 2011 12:13 msjakofsky wrote: to me it seems you don't get what i'm saying, so really what's the point of stating this? you think if you agree with someone else you'll be right? anyways, i'm off. good night oh, the irony. | ||
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
Odds of EG winning are huge though. Very few players in this event that can beat them. | ||
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Hall0wed
United States8486 Posts
On October 27 2011 11:40 msjakofsky wrote: Stephano's money won tells otherwise it's a matter of view, prize money is a valid point of view, according to that, Stephano is more accomplished. he said an absolute statement "huk is the most succesful foreigner" which is simply not true, not if you look at overall results, and not if you look at recent results either. i had a little trollish intent with the stephano argument but my point stands Andddd here we have it folks, yet ANOTHER annoying Euroforumstar that defends Stephano to DEATH! Please hold the applause until all forumstars have made their appearance! | ||
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Applesqt
United States206 Posts
On October 27 2011 10:18 msjakofsky wrote: pretty sure Stephano won more money than Huk without even trying to enter the gsl in just 2 weeks, is 4-0 vs huk and has about as many tourney wins even if not all lan. but clearly huk is the most succesful foreigner. or you're just biased huk fan. hmm i wonder which one is more true of the 2 statements Stephano has gotten 2 wins in 2 weeks, huk got 2 in 1 week against good players. Whenever Stephano played a code S player, except for huk he lost. | ||
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xXFireandIceXx
Canada4296 Posts
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