• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 23:48
CEST 05:48
KST 12:48
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy8uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event17Serral wins EWC 202549Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580
Community News
Weekly Cups (Aug 4-10): MaxPax wins a triple6SC2's Safe House 2 - October 18 & 195Weekly Cups (Jul 28-Aug 3): herO doubles up6LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments7[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder10
StarCraft 2
General
#1: Maru - Greatest Players of All Time Is there a way to see if 2 accounts=1 person? uThermal's 2v2 Tour: $15,000 Main Event RSL Revival patreon money discussion thread Team Liquid Map Contest #21 - Presented by Monster Energy
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments SEL Masters #5 - Korea vs Russia (SC Evo) RSL: Revival, a new crowdfunded tournament series Enki Epic Series #5 - TaeJa vs Classic (SC Evo) Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 486 Watch the Skies Mutation # 485 Death from Below Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather
Brood War
General
ASL20 Pre-season Tier List ranking! ASL 20 HYPE VIDEO! BW AKA finder tool BW General Discussion BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/
Tourneys
Cosmonarchy Pro Showmatches KCM 2025 Season 3 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Fighting Spirit mining rates [G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Total Annihilation Server - TAForever Beyond All Reason [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI The year 2050
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
The Biochemical Cost of Gami…
TrAiDoS
[Girl blog} My fema…
artosisisthebest
Sharpening the Filtration…
frozenclaw
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 664 users

IEM New York - Day 2 Coverage - Page 42

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
2336 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 117 Next
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1773 Posts
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#821
So Gatored gets Killer (P) first round tomorrow. Time for another big win.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#822
On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:

proven what wrong?

that talent is not a factor?

you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?


Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english


no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular



100% correct.

most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented.

When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well.

I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable


But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent.

You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good.

You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train.
pallidiog
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:58:28
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#823
Wow wasnt expecting ppl actually believes in "hard work" theory, lol. In fact look at korea sc1, scheduled practice time for 200 hundreds (or more) proffesional gamers pretty much training for EQUAL amount of time each day for years (which is determented by kespa and their team), and what do we got? bad b-teamers not getting any televised matches, and guys like jaedong with 75% win/loss in zvz. And multi osl/msl champions. And flash owning it up in the age of 14.
In fact it is ALL about talent and personality, and training is just a requirement.
Plz stop kidding youself. you watched to many hollywood movies i think.

Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#824
zomg roflstomped.

How did that happen?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Inky87
Profile Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#825
Go Mana!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:58:31
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#826
Battle micro > no battle micro. Surprise, surprise.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
biamila
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada335 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#827
Man I love immortals. They're so slick to watch.
pallidiog
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 17:01:05
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#828


User was warned for this post
kwaky
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)94 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#829
TT1's immortals shooting zealots while MaNa focuses TT1's immortals down.
kobrakai
Profile Joined June 2011
175 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#830
That is what you get when you let your immortals attack zealots.
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#831
nice ff he zoned out a immortal from the fight
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#832
I dont like PvP at all prefer ZvZ much more.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
October 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#833
Haha TT1 looks so much like Fenix, and they used to play on the same team also. XD
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#834
Really rooting for MaNa to take this. He's my favorite Protoss for almost a year, always has good result against Terran. Now his PvZ and PvP is much better too.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
October 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#835
On October 15 2011 01:59 Eee wrote:
Haha TT1 looks so much like Fenix, and they used to play on the same team also. XD

Really? I don't think TT1 looks anything like Fenix; aside from their similar skin color?
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
October 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#836
On October 15 2011 01:57 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:

proven what wrong?

that talent is not a factor?

you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?


Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english


no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular



100% correct.

most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented.

When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well.

I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable


But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent.

You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good.

You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train.



everything you said i agree.

I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that it's not only hard work, but talent as well.

I just kept going, because it seems there are people out there who believe talent doesn't exist, which is ridiculous.

But I do believe Axslav/incontrol are very limited in their talents compared to top pros.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1773 Posts
October 14 2011 17:01 GMT
#837
On October 15 2011 01:55 ODieN wrote:
Some of the players participating in the IEM in New York would most likely have to haul ass to Florida for MLG? Damn, that's not gonna be tough to make it on time.

Are some of the losers planning this? Sjow could definitely make a run in the open bracket and lost yesterday. Wonder if he made the trip.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#838
Music too loud? I can't hear it at all.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 17:04:37
October 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#839
On October 15 2011 01:57 pallidiog wrote:
Wow wasnt expecting ppl actually believes in "hard work" theory, lol. In fact look at korea sc1, scheduled practice time for 200 hundreds (or more) proffesional gamers pretty much training for EQUAL amount of time each day for years (which is determented by kespa and their team), and what do we got? bad b-teamers not getting any televised matches, and guys like jaedong with 75% win/loss in zvz. And multi osl/msl champions. And flash owning it up in the age of 14.
In fact it is ALL about talent and personality, and training is just a requirement.
Plz stop kidding youself. you watched to many hollywood movies i think.



The irony about using Jaedong as an example is that his coach stated the reason Jaedong is better than his teammates is that Jaedong practices harder than them and wants it more.

Just because BW pros are "supposed" to practice equal amounts of time every day, doesn't mean they actually do, and how hard you work in practice isn't shown in just the hours you put in.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#840
On October 15 2011 01:59 Eee wrote:
Haha TT1 looks so much like Fenix, and they used to play on the same team also. XD


Heh, Havent notise that before you actually right they do look much alike
Prev 1 40 41 42 43 44 117 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 7h 12m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 244
StarCraft: Brood War
Shuttle 668
ggaemo 227
Leta 194
NaDa 125
Noble 53
Icarus 9
Stormgate
UpATreeSC156
Dota 2
NeuroSwarm127
LuMiX1
Counter-Strike
C9.Mang0481
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor132
Other Games
tarik_tv13400
summit1g6702
JimRising 756
WinterStarcraft564
ViBE157
Livibee125
Trikslyr38
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1325
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH142
• practicex 46
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• HerbMon 47
• Azhi_Dahaki7
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Other Games
• Scarra1578
Upcoming Events
Online Event
7h 12m
SC Evo League
8h 12m
Online Event
9h 12m
OSC
9h 12m
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
11h 12m
CSO Contender
13h 12m
[BSL 2025] Weekly
14h 12m
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1d 6h
WardiTV Summer Champion…
1d 7h
SC Evo League
1d 8h
[ Show More ]
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
1d 11h
BSL Team Wars
1d 15h
Team Dewalt vs Team Bonyth
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Sharp vs Ample
Larva vs Stork
Wardi Open
2 days
RotterdaM Event
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
JyJ vs TY
Bisu vs Speed
WardiTV Summer Champion…
3 days
PiGosaur Monday
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
4 days
Mini vs TBD
Soma vs sSak
WardiTV Summer Champion…
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
5 days
WardiTV Summer Champion…
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
LiuLi Cup
6 days
BSL Team Wars
6 days
Team Hawk vs Team Dewalt
Korean StarCraft League
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-08-13
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
CSL Season 18: Qualifier 1
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
HCC Europe
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLAN 3
CSL 2025 AUTUMN (S18)
LASL Season 20
BSL Season 21
BSL 21 Team A
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.