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ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1774 Posts
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#821
So Gatored gets Killer (P) first round tomorrow. Time for another big win.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#822
On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:

proven what wrong?

that talent is not a factor?

you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?


Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english


no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular



100% correct.

most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented.

When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well.

I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable


But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent.

You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good.

You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train.
pallidiog
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:58:28
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#823
Wow wasnt expecting ppl actually believes in "hard work" theory, lol. In fact look at korea sc1, scheduled practice time for 200 hundreds (or more) proffesional gamers pretty much training for EQUAL amount of time each day for years (which is determented by kespa and their team), and what do we got? bad b-teamers not getting any televised matches, and guys like jaedong with 75% win/loss in zvz. And multi osl/msl champions. And flash owning it up in the age of 14.
In fact it is ALL about talent and personality, and training is just a requirement.
Plz stop kidding youself. you watched to many hollywood movies i think.

Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 14 2011 16:57 GMT
#824
zomg roflstomped.

How did that happen?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Inky87
Profile Joined January 2011
United States533 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#825
Go Mana!
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 16:58:31
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#826
Battle micro > no battle micro. Surprise, surprise.
ModeratorEffOrt, Snow, GuMiho, and Team Liquid
biamila
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada335 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#827
Man I love immortals. They're so slick to watch.
pallidiog
Profile Joined April 2011
37 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 17:01:05
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#828


User was warned for this post
kwaky
Profile Joined October 2010
Korea (South)94 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#829
TT1's immortals shooting zealots while MaNa focuses TT1's immortals down.
kobrakai
Profile Joined June 2011
175 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#830
That is what you get when you let your immortals attack zealots.
zerker2strong
Profile Joined May 2011
775 Posts
October 14 2011 16:58 GMT
#831
nice ff he zoned out a immortal from the fight
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#832
I dont like PvP at all prefer ZvZ much more.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
October 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#833
Haha TT1 looks so much like Fenix, and they used to play on the same team also. XD
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 14 2011 16:59 GMT
#834
Really rooting for MaNa to take this. He's my favorite Protoss for almost a year, always has good result against Terran. Now his PvZ and PvP is much better too.
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
October 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#835
On October 15 2011 01:59 Eee wrote:
Haha TT1 looks so much like Fenix, and they used to play on the same team also. XD

Really? I don't think TT1 looks anything like Fenix; aside from their similar skin color?
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
October 14 2011 17:00 GMT
#836
On October 15 2011 01:57 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:
On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:

proven what wrong?

that talent is not a factor?

you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?


Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english


no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular



100% correct.

most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented.

When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well.

I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable


But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent.

You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good.

You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train.



everything you said i agree.

I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that it's not only hard work, but talent as well.

I just kept going, because it seems there are people out there who believe talent doesn't exist, which is ridiculous.

But I do believe Axslav/incontrol are very limited in their talents compared to top pros.
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1774 Posts
October 14 2011 17:01 GMT
#837
On October 15 2011 01:55 ODieN wrote:
Some of the players participating in the IEM in New York would most likely have to haul ass to Florida for MLG? Damn, that's not gonna be tough to make it on time.

Are some of the losers planning this? Sjow could definitely make a run in the open bracket and lost yesterday. Wonder if he made the trip.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#838
Music too loud? I can't hear it at all.
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 17:04:37
October 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#839
On October 15 2011 01:57 pallidiog wrote:
Wow wasnt expecting ppl actually believes in "hard work" theory, lol. In fact look at korea sc1, scheduled practice time for 200 hundreds (or more) proffesional gamers pretty much training for EQUAL amount of time each day for years (which is determented by kespa and their team), and what do we got? bad b-teamers not getting any televised matches, and guys like jaedong with 75% win/loss in zvz. And multi osl/msl champions. And flash owning it up in the age of 14.
In fact it is ALL about talent and personality, and training is just a requirement.
Plz stop kidding youself. you watched to many hollywood movies i think.



The irony about using Jaedong as an example is that his coach stated the reason Jaedong is better than his teammates is that Jaedong practices harder than them and wants it more.

Just because BW pros are "supposed" to practice equal amounts of time every day, doesn't mean they actually do, and how hard you work in practice isn't shown in just the hours you put in.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
October 14 2011 17:02 GMT
#840
On October 15 2011 01:59 Eee wrote:
Haha TT1 looks so much like Fenix, and they used to play on the same team also. XD


Heh, Havent notise that before you actually right they do look much alike
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