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jj33
802 Posts
Don't see what he posted that is so sarcastic as it's correct. | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:02 Azarkon wrote: The irony about using Jaedong as an example is that his coach stated the reason Jaedong is better than his teammates is that Jaedong practices harder than them and wants it more. so? nobody denied hard work isn't necessary and of course drive matters. Heart and determination are huge in top competitive sports. But jaedong is also mega talented. | ||
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TidusX.Yuna
United States239 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:02 ReaperX wrote: SEA player beats Elfi? Unheard of, sick ass Edge! Edge is SEA? I thought Liquipedia had him with an American flag? | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 15 2011 01:57 pallidiog wrote: Wow wasnt expecting ppl actually believes in "hard work" theory, lol. In fact look at korea sc1, scheduled practice time for 200 hundreds (or more) proffesional gamers pretty much training for EQUAL amount of time each day for years (which is determented by kespa and their team), and what do we got? bad b-teamers not getting any televised matches, and guys like jaedong with 75% win/loss in zvz. And multi osl/msl champions. And flash owning it up in the age of 14. In fact it is ALL about talent and personality, and training is just a requirement. Plz stop kidding youself. you watched to many hollywood movies i think. yup. we are in a modern culture, where people breed this type of thought to make themselves feel better. its ridiculous | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:02 Azarkon wrote: The irony about using Jaedong as an example is that his coach stated the reason Jaedong is better than his teammates is that Jaedong practices harder than them and wants it more. Jaedong had the best ZvT (better than Savior and GGplay) almost since the beginning of becoming a progamer. That takes an insane amount of talent and wisdom that comes to few people even after playing at the pro level for far longer than Jaedong did. | ||
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NrG.ZaM
United States267 Posts
On October 15 2011 01:57 pallidiog wrote: Wow wasnt expecting ppl actually believes in "hard work" theory, lol. In fact look at korea sc1, scheduled practice time for 200 hundreds (or more) proffesional gamers pretty much training for EQUAL amount of time each day for years (which is determented by kespa and their team), and what do we got? bad b-teamers not getting any televised matches, and guys like jaedong with 75% win/loss in zvz. And multi osl/msl champions. And flash owning it up in the age of 14. In fact it is ALL about talent and personality, and training is just a requirement. Plz stop kidding youself. you watched to many hollywood movies i think. Yeah, let's look at korea sc1, where bad b-teamers don't get televised matches, while guys like jaedong get ridiculous win rates in professional matches. Now let's compare it to the rest of the world sc1, how did those "bad" b-teamers stack up against the combined talent pool of the rest of the world? | ||
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FinBenton
Finland870 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:00 jj33 wrote: everything you said i agree. I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that it's not only hard work, but talent as well. I just kept going, because it seems there are people out there who believe talent doesn't exist, which is ridiculous. But I do believe Axslav/incontrol are very limited in their talents compared to top pros. I dont think no one has said talend doesnt exist at all but seriously anyone can get to top 20 in sc2 with 12h training a day with a great coach. I think talent is what determines whos top 1 and whos top 10 player.. And some people can get up there faster than others.. | ||
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wklbishop
United States1286 Posts
On October 15 2011 01:41 s4life wrote: In hindsight you can argue anything no matter how shitty it sounds a priory.. the truth is, Sjow won his Ro32 match and as per rules he's a proven Code A player, the rest is just your own bias showing. Then you say elfi lost to Edge, and then go on to crucify him.. wtf? why are you so quick to judge before even watching the games? I agree with you in regards to the players... but your logic is downright awful. First you say as per rules, he's a proven Code A player WITHOUT seeing those AWFUL games and then you say you can't judge without seeing the games... That said and my sensibilities somewhat pleased. Code A doesn't really have a skill cap and you can be considered Code A and still suck because I got a lucky bracket. And yes, elfi is a good player. | ||
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Xoronius
Germany6362 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:03 TidusX.Yuna wrote: Edge is SEA? I thought Liquipedia had him with an American flag? Edge is american, but there is also an "EdgE", who is SEA, I think. | ||
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Wren
United States745 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:03 TidusX.Yuna wrote: Edge is SEA? I thought Liquipedia had him with an American flag? There are two progamers that use Edge. The Australian is better known, but the American is at IEM. This is essentially the first time anybody's seen him play. | ||
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TidusX.Yuna
United States239 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:05 NrG.ZaM wrote: Yeah, let's look at korea sc1, where bad b-teamers don't get televised matches, while guys like jaedong get ridiculous win rates in professional matches. Now let's compare it to the rest of the world sc1, how did those "bad" b-teamers stack up against the combined talent pool of the rest of the world? They are not saying that you can't get really good with really good practicing. They are saying that at the highest level of play Talent + hard-work > hard-work. | ||
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jj33
802 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:05 NrG.ZaM wrote: Yeah, let's look at korea sc1, where bad b-teamers don't get televised matches, while guys like jaedong get ridiculous win rates in professional matches. Now let's compare it to the rest of the world sc1, how did those "bad" b-teamers stack up against the combined talent pool of the rest of the world? you realize those bad b teamers don't randomly become pros right? IN korea there is a huge selection process, where talented people get picked. These bad b teamers are of course talented. They just aren't as talented as Jaedong. Its like the NFL. The benchwarmers for normal people standards are mega talented, but compared to Calvin Johnson, they are not talented enough. | ||
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Lorizean
Germany1330 Posts
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ThyHate
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
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ssg
United States1779 Posts
On October 15 2011 02:08 ThyHate wrote: TT1 not focus firing at all :/ Yeah, he could have killed about everything there. Still came out well on top | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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