IEM New York - Day 2 Coverage - Page 45

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Titorelli

2492 Posts

October 14 2011 17:17 GMT

#881

Oh fuck Mana....

OnlineHero

Denmark647 Posts

October 14 2011 17:17 GMT

#882

Nooo Mana

Fyzar

Netherlands8010 Posts

October 14 2011 17:17 GMT

#883

God fucking damn it MaNa, I'm sad

windsupernova

Mexico5280 Posts

October 14 2011 17:17 GMT

#884

Stupid attack by Mana ....

ZAiNs

United Kingdom6525 Posts

October 14 2011 17:17 GMT

#885

StarVe

Germany13591 Posts

October 14 2011 17:17 GMT

#886

Fuck, this isn't looking good.

HaXXspetten

Sweden15718 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#887

MaNa :/
Why commit like that?

Azarkon

United States21060 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#888

And suddenly, North American players are owning European ones

Wren

United States745 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#889

On October 15 2011 02:14 MrCon wrote:
Today there is only this serie and then another PvP left, right ?

first two quarterfinals as well.

Talin

Montenegro10532 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#890

Eh, Mana looked like he had no idea what he really wanted to go for in that game.

setzer

United States3284 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#891

Well, there goes MaNa ... looks like another Korean sweep in the finals.

wei2coolman

United States60033 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#892

I think this is the first LR thread in a while, in which TT1 isn't posting in, cause he's actually playing, and very well at that.

AIOL!

France962 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#893

Mana out i'm so sad TT

Dexington

Canada7276 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#894

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaand a Korean wins this tournament. Mana was the only legit hope.

ThyHate

240 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#895

Ok mr bitter confirmed for dumb.

Proud and patriotic about the level of play ? Are you fucking kidding me ?

Xcobidoo

Sweden1871 Posts

October 14 2011 17:18 GMT

#896

Ok foreigners have officially no hope in this tournament now, if Elfi can't pull out something amazing out of his hat, which is unlikely...

Silvanel

Poland4769 Posts

October 14 2011 17:19 GMT

#897

Every game Mana ends up low on supply....

FinBenton

Finland870 Posts

October 14 2011 17:19 GMT

#898

On October 15 2011 02:10 jj33 wrote:

Show nested quote +

On October 15 2011 02:05 FinBenton wrote:

On October 15 2011 02:00 jj33 wrote:

On October 15 2011 01:57 Azarkon wrote:

On October 15 2011 01:51 jj33 wrote:

On October 15 2011 01:46 SPQR13 wrote:

On October 15 2011 01:37 Tarotis wrote:

proven what wrong?

that talent is not a factor?

you're wrong in so many ways. you are denying talent exists?

Yes, I deny exactly that. Everything can be trained and learned if your neurons connect the right way. Dont want to go too deep into that as I cant write that down in english

no you are wrong, im sure nature gave some guys some rts game understanding talent, hell, even sc2 game understanding in particular

100% correct.

most recent example I can think of is Stephano. He apparently doens't practice much but watching him play and his decision making/understanding of the game (which at the core is strategy) you can clearly see he's very talented.

When you watch savior play back in bw days, you can clearly see he had talent as well.

I can't believe people here are really trying to say and believe talent is not real. Unbelievable

But then again, I also don't see why you're obsessed with talent.

You can't tell whether what someone lacks is talent just by watching them play. As IdrA, among others in the community, have said - in Starcraft, people who aren't talented but who practice a lot can be good, but people who are talented but who never practice can never be good.

You don't know how much of Axslav/Incontrol's failures are due to their talent and how much of it is due to the way they train.

everything you said i agree.

I never said otherwise. I just mentioned that it's not only hard work, but talent as well.

I just kept going, because it seems there are people out there who believe talent doesn't exist, which is ridiculous.

But I do believe Axslav/incontrol are very limited in their talents compared to top pros.

I dont think no one has said talend doesnt exist at all but seriously anyone can get to top 20 in sc2 with 12h training a day with a great coach. I think talent is what determines whos top 1 and whos top 10 player.. And some people can get up there faster than others..

wrong. take my friend for example. He was horrible and bw and sc2. He's talent is very limited. No matter how hard he tries and how much I try to help him he can not break out of platinum.

He doesn't have the mechanics and more importantly he doesn't have the fast through process. He's a smart guy, but in sc2 he's just lost.

There always that one exeption but Im speaking about an average player.

Toadvine

Poland2234 Posts

October 14 2011 17:20 GMT

#899

I think MaNa was trying to do the Oz 3 Gate pressure, but that only really works if you get super fast WG and are really aggressive with your first units. He botched the execution, in any case.

Fyzar

Netherlands8010 Posts

October 14 2011 17:20 GMT

#900

On October 15 2011 02:18 wei2coolman wrote:
I think this is the first LR thread in a while, in which TT1 isn't posting in, cause he's actually playing, and very well at that.

Not to disrespect TT1, but I think this is more MaNa kinda choking than him playing well.
He didn't even have to micro at that failed attack from MaNa, it was just kinda weird from him.

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