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Standard LR thread rules apply. No caster bashing, no insulting the interviewers, no player bashing, no balance whining. Bans will be doled out to violators so don't shit up this thread with immature garbage.
obsKura
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland1061 Posts
October 08 2011 19:09 GMT
#5561
On October 09 2011 04:08 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:04 ramon wrote:
[image loading]
i think i see a pattern~

whitera has a good chance though


the only pattern i saw is no protoss advances (no balance whine here)
but white-ra should be better than slush


I would kill to be able to watch Stephano vs Kiwikaki :'(
C9 ~^v^~ In EE-sama we trust. ~^v^~ C9
TheKefka
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Croatia11752 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5562
On October 09 2011 04:09 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:07 TheKefka wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:05 poorcloud wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:03 TheKefka wrote:
One day we will look at the older version of this great starcraft game and laugh at how it was possible for marines to have the kind of dps they had back than and that the mule existed.
Can't wait.


Or one day, we will look back and laugh at why protoss had to resort to gimmicky 1 base strats to hold this 1 1 1 push. I'm certain someone will come up with an expansion timing to hold this off. We already saw glimpses of this from Tails.

I never mentioned anything about holding the 1-1-1 in my post.
I just thought I should make a hopeful,honest 2k post.

i hope that doesn't happen. i bet you'd love marines to be at BW status

I can only hope.
Cackle™
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5563
Ra has no cannon
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5564
On October 09 2011 04:08 Drey wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:07 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:03 BoBiNoU wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:00 Whiteman103 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:00 BoBiNoU wrote:
On October 09 2011 03:58 arfyron wrote:
On October 09 2011 03:57 worldchrisis wrote:
Fuck Terran. Ban me I don't care. Fuck Terran and fuck Puma for just 111 cheesing every game against Protosss


You undermine your arguments when you say puma 111s every game when that is clearly not true.


Is there actually one BoX where Puma DID not 1-1-1 at least one game in TvP ?
I dont think so.

Sad for Hero who was a beast on this one.



yes NASL finales


did you watch those games ?
He 1-1-1 at least 2 of the 3 games he won -_-


he didn't 1-1-1 at all, get your facts straight.


Hah you do know he made a push with banshee/raven/marine/siege tanks ? Thats 1/1/1

1-1-1 with 3 rax, enlighten me
Chun-li since ST
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5565
On October 09 2011 04:08 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:04 ramon wrote:
[image loading]
i think i see a pattern~

whitera has a good chance though


the only pattern i saw is no protoss advances (no balance whine here)
but white-ra should be better than slush


Why leave out Inori Huk and MC?
Nice statistics....
JoeSchmoe
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2058 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5566
On October 09 2011 04:04 illsick wrote:
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On October 09 2011 04:00 MuseMike wrote:
On October 09 2011 03:59 Yenticha wrote:
I dont understand the 111 hate...
Its pretty obvious that Hero lost because of the weird Nexus... 4 extra zealots and he'd have won that.

He had no warp-in cycles and canceled the nexus. The warpgates were never idle.


exactly


they were idle... he wasn't making much while waiting for DTs which put his macro behind. note how he used 4 chronos on ALL 4 gates before the engagement. that's not a sign of good macro. that's him not being completely efficient with chronos.
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5567
On October 09 2011 04:06 c0ldfusion wrote:
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On October 09 2011 04:05 noBode wrote:
Did anyone see when did Puma build the second raven? When the DT went in Puma's main, I figured Hero should target down the tech lab on the starport first so that Puma can't build more Raven since the OC didn't have enough energy for a scan anyway and there's no other way to detect the DTs.


I'm not sure if Painuser is right about there being a second raven. I didn't see the first one go down. He may have just flew it back.


There was absolutely a second raven.

Anyway, HerO made a lot of mistakes in this game. Small mistakes mostly, but they added up. Lost a unit here or there, one costly bad engagement, perhaps should have added more gateways sooner (I'd have to check the replay to be sure, but I think he could have), maybe make 1 more sentry, and I'm sure there were other things he could have done to win. I think the issue most people have is, PuMa didn't really do anything special. HerO was constantly forced to make perfect decisions while PuMa was not, and that's where the sense of imbalance comes from.
We found Dove in a soapless place.
Hemula
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Russian Federation1849 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5568
how did they missed a drop.
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 19:12:23
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5569
Finding it slightly annoying that when HerO loses, there isn't a banfest. Even if he is part of the TL team, I don't think it should affect moderation of the threat.

Edit: Nm, thank you mods <3
#freeshauni
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5570
On October 09 2011 04:07 obsKura wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 03:57 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
agdfdhasjgsjhfgjkgkdfghfggfdj


I spit my Coke, don't do it master. :D


Jinro is training too much, can't let go, APM-spamming during forum posts.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
deathly rat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom911 Posts
October 08 2011 19:10 GMT
#5571
On October 09 2011 04:06 deathly rat wrote:
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On October 09 2011 04:04 deathly rat wrote:
White-Ra vs Slush - Shakuras

White Ra top left, Slush top right


slush pool on 13/14 no gas yet, I lost the stream


6:40 slush pushing with a few roaches and white-ra defends ramps with sentries and stalkers whilst he is getting colosus tech and warp prism
No logo (logo)
Dikkbutt
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden193 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 19:11:25
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5572
One game doesnt make the balance, and it was a wierd one at that so just stop it. It is impossbile to compare two completly different races when talking balance. Statstic is the only thing you can really use. (Which clearly states terran is favored but taht another discussion which doesnt fit in this threa).
howdy
Olinim
Profile Joined March 2011
4044 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5573
On October 09 2011 04:10 poorcloud wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:08 Vertical wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:04 ramon wrote:
[image loading]
i think i see a pattern~

whitera has a good chance though


the only pattern i saw is no protoss advances (no balance whine here)
but white-ra should be better than slush


Why leave out Inori Huk and MC?
Nice statistics....

Advancing from a PvP doesn't count lol...
j0ker
Profile Joined August 2011
275 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5574
On October 09 2011 04:05 AsnSensation wrote:
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On October 09 2011 04:01 FairForever wrote:
Also I don't see anyone complaining about Hero going proxy Stargate then proxy DTs in order to try and kill Puma...


because proxy SG is legitimate against expected 1/1/1 + he only put the dark shrine down because he wasnt expecting a raven/ saw a chance of sniping it with the phoenix and actually have a chance to hold the push,

you realize hero was basically dead if he didnt have the dt to temporary make puma retreat by killing the two tanks and the raven although he was 20 supply ahead? ( oh yeah he killed all of pumas scv's too)

on another note fuck blizzard


his shrine was still building when his obs died to the fuckin raven, going dts against a raven is just praying your opponent will screw up. its been repeated by top pros and forum posters over and over that the stargate/dt type 1-1-1 defenses are quite gimmicky and rely on the terran fucking up. puma did screw up a bit, but so did hero. if he was truly trying to hard counter 1-1-1 he could have just gone 1 gate expand and destroyed it like all tosses are destroying it these days. if he wasnt trying to hard counter it then his build was just as cheesy as a 1-1-1.
Ambarella
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada75 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5575
On October 09 2011 03:59 TheBanana wrote:

- Watch Hero take the game.
- Cheer, tab to TL to sing Hero praise.
- Tab back to game, Puma wins.



This was me lolol
AnalThermometer
Profile Joined February 2011
Vatican City State334 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-08 19:12:00
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5576
The funniest thing about these balance arguments is people almost always point out the mistakes Protoss makes against the Terran, and never focus on the Terran mistakes. HerO makes a proxy nexus? "bad mistake, he should fix that and he'd win". They don't point out the fact Puma pulled plenty of SCVs and did very little with them, losing them to phoenix and immortals while trying to get bunkers up losing a large amount of minerals. The amount of lee-way Terran has gets regards to mistakes is an imbalance in itself, HerO did enough to win.
Linwelin
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland7554 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5577
On October 09 2011 04:10 Artok wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:08 Drey wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:07 doko100 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:03 BoBiNoU wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:00 Whiteman103 wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:00 BoBiNoU wrote:
On October 09 2011 03:58 arfyron wrote:
On October 09 2011 03:57 worldchrisis wrote:
Fuck Terran. Ban me I don't care. Fuck Terran and fuck Puma for just 111 cheesing every game against Protosss


You undermine your arguments when you say puma 111s every game when that is clearly not true.


Is there actually one BoX where Puma DID not 1-1-1 at least one game in TvP ?
I dont think so.

Sad for Hero who was a beast on this one.



yes NASL finales


did you watch those games ?
He 1-1-1 at least 2 of the 3 games he won -_-


he didn't 1-1-1 at all, get your facts straight.


Hah you do know he made a push with banshee/raven/marine/siege tanks ? Thats 1/1/1

1-1-1 with 3 rax, enlighten me



That's how it's done properly
Enlightened?
Fuck Razor and Death Prophet
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5578
On October 09 2011 04:10 JoeSchmoe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:04 illsick wrote:
On October 09 2011 04:00 MuseMike wrote:
On October 09 2011 03:59 Yenticha wrote:
I dont understand the 111 hate...
Its pretty obvious that Hero lost because of the weird Nexus... 4 extra zealots and he'd have won that.

He had no warp-in cycles and canceled the nexus. The warpgates were never idle.


exactly


they were idle... he wasn't making much while waiting for DTs which put his macro behind. note how he used 4 chronos on ALL 4 gates before the engagement. that's not a sign of good macro. that's him not being completely efficient with chronos.


or its a sign of him saving chronos because he knew he would need to increase gateway production once Puma tried to engage.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
cordlc
Profile Joined November 2010
United States360 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5579
On October 09 2011 04:05 Deathmanbob wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2011 04:02 kittensrcute wrote:
I'm just putting this out there.....

If HerO had won...would people not be complaining about cheese? He went proxy Stargate into DTs...

But because Terran won, Terran is the ultimate cheeser. It was one base vs one base and cheesy strats on both sides from the start.

I understand that people are cheering for the Liquid player and the Protoss hope but I don't know, it just seems silly to me how biased people can be.

I don't really enjoy watching games like this, but that's what I took from it. I hate the huge amount of Terrans in GSL too, but I don't get all the Puma hate.



its puma hate because he was the guy who won, its really just terran hate and its because people are frustrated. Think of every sport with fans ever, if the game is THAT close when your side loses you are upset and want nothing more then to blame something else.


Not to say i liked the game and i 100% understand where they are coming from, its just not PUMA hate its terran hate with pumas name in front

This isn't generic Terran hate, you won't see anyone bitching when MVP legitimately outplays people.

Puma, on the other hand? He pulls this shit every tournament. His play is nothing special, yet he's still winning, it's disgusting. It becomes clearer when looking at his other matchups, like when he lost to Idra in IEM.

His playstyle is not unlike Polt's, it's no wonder people don't like either player. They exploit all the aspects people hate about SC2 (as opposed to the more BW-esque Terran players)
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
October 08 2011 19:11 GMT
#5580
Whitera always get a warp prism huh...
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