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On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things.
The game he won was against mech play.
So this game doesn't mean anything. The impressive thing is that Grubby took out Nerchio 
And Stephano is probably the only foreigner who would be able to go from code B qualifiers to code S, the hard way.
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On October 26 2011 01:43 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things. The game he won was against mech play. So this game doesn't mean anything. The impressive thing is that Grubby took out Nerchio And Stephano is probably the only foreigner who would be able to go from code B qualifiers to code S, the hard way.
Mech play isn't that easy to counter with protoss. He played really well and took really good fights so...it means something for me even if i'm not a Grubby's fan.
I hope Stephano could do what you're saying but i'm not even thinking he could beat the code A qualifier. When you see players like DRG and MMA failing at this tournament...it's hard to see even the greatest foreigners climbing up to code S the hard way. In a few months maybe.
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I don't think Stephano's playstile is as "funky" as people claim it to be. He can really change his play up and this guy got a lot of different builds.(And he can adjust his build to what he sees, because he is pretty smart.)
He is just really creative and has his own style, which kinda reminds of me some guy called Nestea. (No I'm not saying he is as good as Nestea, so please don't lynch me.) I don't think he will just be "figured out" and destroyed by Koreans, because he is just too unpredictable and solid for that to happen. Plus his zvp is just one of the best in the world, Koreans included. I think Nestea and Coca are probably better, but other than that...he is just freaking scary in this Matchup.
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On October 26 2011 01:52 Enearde wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 01:43 Poopi wrote:On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things. The game he won was against mech play. So this game doesn't mean anything. The impressive thing is that Grubby took out Nerchio And Stephano is probably the only foreigner who would be able to go from code B qualifiers to code S, the hard way. Mech play isn't that easy to counter with protoss. He played really well and took really good fights so...it means something for me even if i'm not a Grubby's fan. I hope Stephano could do what you're saying but i'm not even thinking he could beat the code A qualifier. When you see players like DRG and MMA failing at this tournament...it's hard to see even the greatest foreigners climbing up to code S the hard way. In a few months maybe.
MMA qualified for code A lol.
It's DRG who failed it because his ZvP was not that good. He even lost in code A against a protoss, and in MLG against TesteR...
Stephano is good all-around and can take out several korean players in a row, in qualifiers you can't prepare for your opponent so Stephano's opponents won't be as prepared thus it should be ok.
And mech play is incredibly weak against protoss, even if you play really not like you should play against mech you can win. It's that bad. Ask Jinro or PredY...
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On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things.
Mana had to win 3 pvp which is quite coinflipish tbh. Top of that that Mana was near to be out of his groupstage and show that his performance was not as great as you could think.
"He [Stephano] has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it."
He doesn't have only one style, not at all. He can easily switch to any sorts of units of the games, cut his drones, stays on 2 bases much longer etc. I don't know why people saying stephano has only one playstyle, he's really polyvalent and change his gamestyle considering his oponments (maybe because of his mass lings infestors he did during his ladderun before the IPL, idk..).
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On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things.
He dominated Marineking a Code S terran and multiple 2nd places in GSL. he got a 70% win ratio vs the koreans. He has won 2 major international tournaments in 2 weeks making more money then any other foreign player since release.
And the reason Marineking didnt play at all is becuase whatever he did it got shut down hard. He got dominated and lost fair and square something no other zerg has done to Marineking since Nestea.
If you arnt impressed by Stephano im wondering what would impress you then?
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MarineKing's builds weren't good. It was his game to lose and he did, not because Stephano played amazing.
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On October 26 2011 02:00 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things. He dominated Marineking a Code S terran and multiple 2nd places in GSL. he got a 70% win ratio vs the koreans. He has won 2 major international tournaments in 2 weeks making more money then any other foreign player since release. And the reason Marineking didnt play at all is becuase whatever he did it got shut down hard. He got dominated and lost fair and square something no other zerg has done to Marineking since Nestea. If you arnt impressed by Stephano im wondering what would impress you then?
High MLG or do well in code S. Stephano has been tearing through tournaments lately. But let's be honest here, those are the top 2 tournaments in the world and until a player consistantly does well in either there is going to be a cap on how highly they are ranked.
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MLG isn't a top tournament. It's a retardedly-favoring-pool-play tournament. And the GSL is a preparation tournament. Maybe Stephano isn't the best at these kind of events but in normal tournament (round robin pools + seeded bracket) he showed he can do well.
It's about time, mentally challenged people stop arguing about his level, that's outright stupid.
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Of course MLG is a top tournament, just because it has a lot of the best players in the world in it. IPL 3 had a similar playerpool though, so a win there is equal to a MLG-win imo.
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On October 26 2011 02:08 hotwings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 26 2011 02:00 HappyChris wrote:On October 26 2011 01:36 Enearde wrote:
I'm most impress with Mana performance than with Stephano's one. Mana has beat MC with a very solid play and MC was playing not too bad, not particularly good either but not bad. Stephano played against Marineking and MKP didn't played at all. I felt like he was wrong in every move he did. It's not that Stephano didn't played very well but i'm just feeling like Mana was better than Stephano overall.
I attended ESWC and i feel like Stephano wouldn't last long in Korea. He has a very good playstyle but with very little efforts, Koreans would be able to counter/abuse it. Mana was playing very classic the whole tournament and i don't know if you have seen his games on the finals but that was not his best. Maybe what makes Stephano really good at the moment is his consistency. I hope that will last long but i'm not too sure about that.
Grubby was really good, his pvp needs some work but he is really strong overall too. He took a game from MKP as well.
Thorzain is developping his playstyle and i'll watch him closely in the next few months. He was a bit off during ESWC but he showed some great things. He dominated Marineking a Code S terran and multiple 2nd places in GSL. he got a 70% win ratio vs the koreans. He has won 2 major international tournaments in 2 weeks making more money then any other foreign player since release. And the reason Marineking didnt play at all is becuase whatever he did it got shut down hard. He got dominated and lost fair and square something no other zerg has done to Marineking since Nestea. If you arnt impressed by Stephano im wondering what would impress you then? High MLG or do well in code S. Stephano has been tearing through tournaments lately. But let's be honest here, those are the top 2 tournaments in the world and until a player consistantly does well in either there is going to be a cap on how highly they are ranked.
Ok, whatever buddy. Im just gonna sit back and enjoy Stephano winning more tournaments against Code S players and laugh at all the haters
And MLG lol
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Surprising that idra and nerchio lost in Ro16...
Also not hugely surprised by the results although even though mana got to the finals the only Matchup he played was PvP... that doesn't say much.
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On October 26 2011 03:32 Goshdarnit wrote:
Surprising that idra and nerchio lost in Ro16...
Also not hugely surprised by the results although even though mana got to the finals the only Matchup he played was PvP... that doesn't say much.
IdrA lost in ZvZ, so it might have been luck for his opponent :/
About MaNa and PvP'ing his way to the finals, yeah... but it was 3 PvP series with Socke, MC and Grubby. If it was luck, it had to be huuuuge one
And MLG? Man i haven't seen a tournament so stacked like Orlando for sure!
Although fixing tournament system and adding to the prizepool would attract more EU players.
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On October 26 2011 00:36 Bobster wrote:
Again, Bolt dominating the (arguably) most competitive of the running disciplines (100m sprint) does not make him a greater runner than Gebrselassie.
Different disciplines.
False analogy. This would be the case if we were comparing say real-time strategy to turn based strategy. A better analogy is, say, that Petrosyan is a better fighter than some taekwondo champ.
On October 26 2011 00:56 michielbrands wrote:
SC2 is out for a little over a year, so when he started half a year later, it means his concurents has double the time he has to master the game?
If only it were that simple. But of course it isn't. If only you could understand that. But of course you don't. Knolll started BW some years later than most. Do you think he was that much handicapped? It took him less than a year to become great. People said that Grubby needs three months to start dominating three months ago. And three months before that. I'm just wondering, will you claim he needs another three months and that he is still being handicapped if he once again fails to deliver?
On October 26 2011 01:05 5ukkub wrote:
You speak of facts, so list at least one that says Stephano won't be able to win GSL in a year.
I don't know in what reality you live if you think that Flash (supposedly being RTS god) can win,
say C&C tournament if he has no idea how to play this game.
Given some time and proper practice he might, but not now.
Facts are (the true ones, not your imaginated):
1: Stephano won 2 major tournaments in 3 weeks, taking out code S players.
2: He progressed to this point very rapidly. a year from master league to arguably the best foreigner.
3: He has the raw talent, that if nurtured properly, can lead him even higher.
4: Stephano practices on EU server with foreigners and without proper guidance of proffesional coach.
5: Korea is an ideal place to learn SC2, since there are best conditions to do so.
6: If Stephano can practice the way he could in Korea, he can be the best.
If you see anything wrong with those facts, please enlighten me.
But I am not saying he won't be able to win GSL in a year. He just might. I'm saying there is no evidence that he will. Do you see the difference? Where have I said that Flash can win C&C tournament without any practise? Good heavens, what kind of people am I arguing with?
1-6. Cool story bro. Indeed, impressive results, but same can be said of Naniwa and Thorzain a while ago. How well did they do? Stephano said himself that if he practises more than few hours he will start doing worse. It's not that your facts are wrong. It's that your conclusion doesn't follow.
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Nobody asked me for bank details or anything regarding the prize pool. I've heard from different people ESWC has a bad history of not paying players, I hope that's wrong cause this would be the 3rd tournament i don't get paid (EPS Germany and UGC by Stermy were not paid yet after almost 1 year).
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On October 27 2011 00:53 aTnClouD wrote:
Nobody asked me for bank details or anything regarding the prize pool. I've heard from different people ESWC has a bad history of not paying players, I hope that's wrong cause this would be the 3rd tournament i don't get paid (EPS Germany and UGC by Stermy were not paid yet after almost 1 year).
It's used to yeah, in 2007-2008, ESWC was going to bankrupt. But since last year, a new entertainment society bought ESWC and prices where guaranted by their bank on a blocked bank account, and everybody was paid.
I think you can be pretty confident, specialy with the succes of this event.
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Is there a bracket for this tournament? I want to see which who knocked out who, etc...
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Are there any VODs or replays of the tournament available? I want to watch Stephano vs MKP.
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I couldn't find the Stephano vs MaNa vods on own3d.tv so I figured a lot of people were looking for them. They're in french but very good quality!
Game 1
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