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spacecoke
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden112 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 13:45:13
October 24 2011 13:42 GMT
#5701
:o
cool photo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrCWmQZqPT4
TeMiL
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Peru545 Posts
October 24 2011 15:11 GMT
#5702
On October 24 2011 18:51 5ukkub wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 18:44 Misanthrope wrote:
Replays? VODs? Link in the OP?


It's all in the OP. right here: http://www.own3d.tv/event/ESWC

Also check out Khaldor's stream vods and Totalbiscuit's youtube channel.


anyone knows where i can watch MKP vs Stephano?
or it wasnt uploaded yet
croupier
Profile Joined July 2010
United States92 Posts
October 24 2011 17:15 GMT
#5703
On October 25 2011 00:11 TeMiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 18:51 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 18:44 Misanthrope wrote:
Replays? VODs? Link in the OP?


It's all in the OP. right here: http://www.own3d.tv/event/ESWC

Also check out Khaldor's stream vods and Totalbiscuit's youtube channel.


anyone knows where i can watch MKP vs Stephano?
or it wasnt uploaded yet


From the main event page I was able to find this link:

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xlvqbw_2011-sc2-marineking-vs-stephano-demi-finale-manche-1_videogames

Which seems to be MKP vs Stephano with french commentary and poor quality. But, it gets the job done.
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 24 2011 17:28 GMT
#5704
On October 25 2011 00:11 TeMiL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 18:51 5ukkub wrote:
On October 24 2011 18:44 Misanthrope wrote:
Replays? VODs? Link in the OP?


It's all in the OP. right here: http://www.own3d.tv/event/ESWC

Also check out Khaldor's stream vods and Totalbiscuit's youtube channel.


anyone knows where i can watch MKP vs Stephano?
or it wasnt uploaded yet


I cast one match but not the second since admins forgot to invite me into the game. I think Khaldor's Own3d channel will have the vod.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
jonyjon
Profile Joined October 2011
France17 Posts
October 24 2011 18:15 GMT
#5705
On October 24 2011 22:42 spacecoke wrote:
:o
cool photo


I really wanted the marine to come and say high five to MarineKing! He did not though ;
Matzee
Profile Joined December 2010
Germany15 Posts
October 24 2011 20:36 GMT
#5706
will they release the replays?
Guiness
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada54 Posts
October 24 2011 20:51 GMT
#5707
On October 25 2011 05:36 Matzee wrote:
will they release the replays?


There doesn't seem to be much information with regards to VOD's or replays. Anyone have some information?
Imagine for a moment a world without hypothetical situations...
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 24 2011 21:11 GMT
#5708
On October 24 2011 17:27 5ukkub wrote:
I think almost nobody believes that Stephano is NOW better than, say, 5 top Koreans right now.

The point is:
If all players in the entire world were able to play on ONE SERVER without big latency problems, and all players would practice for one year in equal conditions (food, time, sleep etc) I could name only about 4-5 foreigners able to be on the same lvl as MVP or Nestea.
Those are Grubby, Huk, MaNa, Major, maybe IdrA and Nerchio too, but don't know about their mental stability :/

And there is Stephano... IMO He would be a step ahead from EVERYBODY.

We are proud of Stephanos achievements as we (at least me) are proud of HuK or even IdrA!
But IdrA was in Korea for veeeery long time in BW and Sc2.
HuK just got from there.
Both of them now have "EG Lair" with great sponsors and Puma + DemusliM to practice with, and of course a lot better connection to Korean server than EU has.

Stephano had nothing of these. He just recently, about 2 months ago, decided to become full PRO.

You understand now? We see the potential in him. The things he achieved in so little time with so limited resources!
That's what makes him so special.


Oh come on... this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statements I'm talking about. GRUBBY would be on the same level as NesTea and MVP?!?!................. Really??

If all players were able to play on one big server with same latency, we'd have a top 100 dominated by at least 80% koreans, and a top 10 with at most 2 foreigners. And those would probably be Huk and maybe Nerchio, or someone like Kas, only because of the incredible amount of games they play, not because of real skill.

And EVEN if there were a good amount of foreigners there it would mean next to nothing because most top pros don't ladder that much.
Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
October 24 2011 21:28 GMT
#5709
On October 25 2011 06:11 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 17:27 5ukkub wrote:
I think almost nobody believes that Stephano is NOW better than, say, 5 top Koreans right now.

The point is:
If all players in the entire world were able to play on ONE SERVER without big latency problems, and all players would practice for one year in equal conditions (food, time, sleep etc) I could name only about 4-5 foreigners able to be on the same lvl as MVP or Nestea.
Those are Grubby, Huk, MaNa, Major, maybe IdrA and Nerchio too, but don't know about their mental stability :/

And there is Stephano... IMO He would be a step ahead from EVERYBODY.

We are proud of Stephanos achievements as we (at least me) are proud of HuK or even IdrA!
But IdrA was in Korea for veeeery long time in BW and Sc2.
HuK just got from there.
Both of them now have "EG Lair" with great sponsors and Puma + DemusliM to practice with, and of course a lot better connection to Korean server than EU has.

Stephano had nothing of these. He just recently, about 2 months ago, decided to become full PRO.

You understand now? We see the potential in him. The things he achieved in so little time with so limited resources!
That's what makes him so special.


Oh come on... this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statements I'm talking about. GRUBBY would be on the same level as NesTea and MVP?!?!................. Really??

If all players were able to play on one big server with same latency, we'd have a top 100 dominated by at least 80% koreans, and a top 10 with at most 2 foreigners. And those would probably be Huk and maybe Nerchio, or someone like Kas, only because of the incredible amount of games they play, not because of real skill.

And EVEN if there were a good amount of foreigners there it would mean next to nothing because most top pros don't ladder that much.


You are aware that Grubby is one of the best RTS players of all time?
"Man you guys are missing out waving your stats dicks about instead of watching this pvp" - bbm
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10346 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-24 21:35:47
October 24 2011 21:33 GMT
#5710
im glad to see stephano win!

Wow MaNa is pretty good, I guess (wasn't really convinced previously)

Grubby got pretty far, even taking off a game from MKP?

GJ Stephano! <3

Haha I love how idra loses to some random zerg? But I don't think ZvZ has ever been his strong point. ZvZ is like the opposite (as with all mirror matchups) of the other matchups, like the opposite of defending, reacting, droning, defending harass, etc., xD

Haha nice photo, those stands with the 1st 2nd 3rd place must be really awesome to stand on the highest but shameful to be on the low poor MKP

Oh yeah does this mean MaNa gets to go to Blizz Cup? i don't remember if they give a seed to #1 ESCW 2011
Mid-master streaming MECH ONLY + commentary www.twitch.tv/yoshikirishima +++ "If all-in fails, all-in again."
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 24 2011 21:42 GMT
#5711
On October 25 2011 06:28 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 06:11 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 17:27 5ukkub wrote:
I think almost nobody believes that Stephano is NOW better than, say, 5 top Koreans right now.

The point is:
If all players in the entire world were able to play on ONE SERVER without big latency problems, and all players would practice for one year in equal conditions (food, time, sleep etc) I could name only about 4-5 foreigners able to be on the same lvl as MVP or Nestea.
Those are Grubby, Huk, MaNa, Major, maybe IdrA and Nerchio too, but don't know about their mental stability :/

And there is Stephano... IMO He would be a step ahead from EVERYBODY.

We are proud of Stephanos achievements as we (at least me) are proud of HuK or even IdrA!
But IdrA was in Korea for veeeery long time in BW and Sc2.
HuK just got from there.
Both of them now have "EG Lair" with great sponsors and Puma + DemusliM to practice with, and of course a lot better connection to Korean server than EU has.

Stephano had nothing of these. He just recently, about 2 months ago, decided to become full PRO.

You understand now? We see the potential in him. The things he achieved in so little time with so limited resources!
That's what makes him so special.


Oh come on... this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statements I'm talking about. GRUBBY would be on the same level as NesTea and MVP?!?!................. Really??

If all players were able to play on one big server with same latency, we'd have a top 100 dominated by at least 80% koreans, and a top 10 with at most 2 foreigners. And those would probably be Huk and maybe Nerchio, or someone like Kas, only because of the incredible amount of games they play, not because of real skill.

And EVEN if there were a good amount of foreigners there it would mean next to nothing because most top pros don't ladder that much.


You are aware that Grubby is one of the best RTS players of all time?


One of the best warcraft 3 players of all time. His progression and skill shown has suggested nothing about a similarly successful career in SC2. Don't get me wrong, I'd be happy if it happened, but not every RTS is the same.
pwnasaurus1
Profile Joined February 2011
18 Posts
October 24 2011 21:54 GMT
#5712
On October 25 2011 06:28 Dexington wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 06:11 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 17:27 5ukkub wrote:
I think almost nobody believes that Stephano is NOW better than, say, 5 top Koreans right now.

The point is:
If all players in the entire world were able to play on ONE SERVER without big latency problems, and all players would practice for one year in equal conditions (food, time, sleep etc) I could name only about 4-5 foreigners able to be on the same lvl as MVP or Nestea.
Those are Grubby, Huk, MaNa, Major, maybe IdrA and Nerchio too, but don't know about their mental stability :/

And there is Stephano... IMO He would be a step ahead from EVERYBODY.

We are proud of Stephanos achievements as we (at least me) are proud of HuK or even IdrA!
But IdrA was in Korea for veeeery long time in BW and Sc2.
HuK just got from there.
Both of them now have "EG Lair" with great sponsors and Puma + DemusliM to practice with, and of course a lot better connection to Korean server than EU has.

Stephano had nothing of these. He just recently, about 2 months ago, decided to become full PRO.

You understand now? We see the potential in him. The things he achieved in so little time with so limited resources!
That's what makes him so special.


Oh come on... this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statements I'm talking about. GRUBBY would be on the same level as NesTea and MVP?!?!................. Really??

If all players were able to play on one big server with same latency, we'd have a top 100 dominated by at least 80% koreans, and a top 10 with at most 2 foreigners. And those would probably be Huk and maybe Nerchio, or someone like Kas, only because of the incredible amount of games they play, not because of real skill.

And EVEN if there were a good amount of foreigners there it would mean next to nothing because most top pros don't ladder that much.


You are aware that Grubby is one of the best RTS players of all time?


You are aware that Grubby hasn't won a big tournament since WC3 right?
Khaldor
Profile Joined March 2008
Germany861 Posts
October 24 2011 22:28 GMT
#5713
MKP vs. Stephano:

Game 1 - http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/245959
Game 2 - http://www.own3d.tv/KhaldorTV#/watch/245961
Tutorials, Quick Tips and Guides: www.YouTube.com/KhaldorTV
DoomsVille
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada4885 Posts
October 24 2011 22:43 GMT
#5714
On October 25 2011 06:54 pwnasaurus1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 25 2011 06:28 Dexington wrote:
On October 25 2011 06:11 mordk wrote:
On October 24 2011 17:27 5ukkub wrote:
I think almost nobody believes that Stephano is NOW better than, say, 5 top Koreans right now.

The point is:
If all players in the entire world were able to play on ONE SERVER without big latency problems, and all players would practice for one year in equal conditions (food, time, sleep etc) I could name only about 4-5 foreigners able to be on the same lvl as MVP or Nestea.
Those are Grubby, Huk, MaNa, Major, maybe IdrA and Nerchio too, but don't know about their mental stability :/

And there is Stephano... IMO He would be a step ahead from EVERYBODY.

We are proud of Stephanos achievements as we (at least me) are proud of HuK or even IdrA!
But IdrA was in Korea for veeeery long time in BW and Sc2.
HuK just got from there.
Both of them now have "EG Lair" with great sponsors and Puma + DemusliM to practice with, and of course a lot better connection to Korean server than EU has.

Stephano had nothing of these. He just recently, about 2 months ago, decided to become full PRO.

You understand now? We see the potential in him. The things he achieved in so little time with so limited resources!
That's what makes him so special.


Oh come on... this is exactly the kind of ridiculous statements I'm talking about. GRUBBY would be on the same level as NesTea and MVP?!?!................. Really??

If all players were able to play on one big server with same latency, we'd have a top 100 dominated by at least 80% koreans, and a top 10 with at most 2 foreigners. And those would probably be Huk and maybe Nerchio, or someone like Kas, only because of the incredible amount of games they play, not because of real skill.

And EVEN if there were a good amount of foreigners there it would mean next to nothing because most top pros don't ladder that much.


You are aware that Grubby is one of the best RTS players of all time?


You are aware that Grubby hasn't won a big tournament since WC3 right?

NaNiwa, ThorZain, and most other WC3 pros started playing SC2 right in the beta (or very early in release). The majority of them were mediocre for at least 8 or 9 months (NaNiwa was basically known as 1-baseiwa).

It takes a long time to change your mindset from WC3 to SC2. Grubby started waaay later than the majority of WC3 pros. Give it another 4-6 months and he should be at the same level as all the other top EU pros. Especially since he is training in Korea.
Misanthrope
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States924 Posts
October 24 2011 23:14 GMT
#5715
Thanks for the link Khaldor.
Resolve to perform what you ought. Perform without fail what you resolve. - Benjamin Franklin
shell
Profile Joined October 2010
Portugal2722 Posts
October 24 2011 23:32 GMT
#5716
I'm sure Grubby will become of the best european players, he has the mindset, the skills, the will and if he puts himself in the right environment he will become that.

Stephano deserves all the credit people give him imo, he won tought tournament with top koreans, it's not his fault nestea and mvp didn't enter IPL and ESWC! he is the real deal, a powerhouse young european player capable of winning games against GSL players.

It was a good tournament and idra's result is not that bad, he lost against a player with lesser achievements but livezerg is a up and coming player that has some potencial
BENFICA || Besties: idra, Stephano, Nestea, Jaedong, Serral, Jinro, Scarlett || Zerg <3
Ciraxis
Profile Joined June 2010
Australia400 Posts
October 25 2011 00:33 GMT
#5717
I am so glad Stephano won. Has great potential this guy.
Rek1zek
Profile Joined January 2011
France6 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-25 05:59:14
October 25 2011 05:58 GMT
#5718
Here some funny pics (iPhone quality ). All theses guys were cool.
http://cheezburger.com/View/5351561216
Ushido
Profile Joined June 2011
France19 Posts
October 25 2011 10:13 GMT
#5719
Hey,

To start a quick introduction on who we are. http://www.sc2replay.fr is a French blog relaying SCII eSport events and VOD from multiple English and French shoutcasters.

We've been at the ESWC on Thursday, Friday and Saturday, beeing able to be in the player's area.

So if you are fan of one the player attending ESWC you will probably find pictures of him

Day 0 (inlcuding Paris Games Week)

Day 0 BIS

Day 1

Day 2

Enjoy

Ushido from sc2replay.fr, Platine Zerg Player
exltus
Profile Joined April 2010
Czech Republic100 Posts
October 25 2011 11:02 GMT
#5720
when will they release replays?
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