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Wawarox
Profile Joined July 2011
161 Posts
October 22 2011 15:10 GMT
#3241
gl Stephano ♥
TotalBiscuit
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United Kingdom5437 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3242
On October 23 2011 00:10 Mouzone wrote:
Kinda unprofessional switching match series in the middle of one by Khaldor stream. Any of the other streams showing Grubby's coming games?


I am sticking with Grubby.
CommentatorHost of SHOUTcraft Clan Wars- http://www.mlg.tv/shoutcraft
Chewbacca.
Profile Joined January 2011
United States3634 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3243
On October 23 2011 00:06 bgx wrote:
wtf wtf Idra gg ?
200 supply vs 160 GG


3 Base zerg vs 3 Base protoss.

Just lost entire roach/corrupter army and did almost no damage.
Now has a pure roach army vs basically the same thing.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3244
On October 23 2011 00:10 Mouzone wrote:
Kinda unprofessional switching match series in the middle of one by Khaldor stream. Any of the other streams showing Grubby's coming games?


Watch TB stream if you want to see Grubby vs LiveZerg
gruff
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden2276 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3245
On October 23 2011 00:10 Brainiac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:08 Seronei wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:06 Brainiac wrote:
Protoss deathball is unkillable by any Zerg army, Lz just wanted to spare some time. It is kinda depressing to see that over and over again.

Are you really whining about the protoss death ball? I thought we stopped doing that half a year ago.


No, I'm far from whining, this doesn't concern me at all (terran). It's just boring. If toss is above 160 supply you can either watchZerg die even if he massively outexpands toss, or him just leaving a game (that game).


Then you haven't watched enough TvZ where the zerg knows what he's doing.
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3246
On October 23 2011 00:10 Mouzone wrote:
Kinda unprofessional switching match series in the middle of one by Khaldor stream. Any of the other streams showing Grubby's coming games?


I'm hoping TB will finish out the set, but I dunno if he will. Kinda bummed out with Khaldor right now, but I get it. Way more people are interested in watching Stephano.
chrisolo
Profile Joined May 2009
Germany2610 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3247
On October 23 2011 00:10 Mouzone wrote:
Kinda unprofessional switching match series in the middle of one by Khaldor stream. Any of the other streams showing Grubby's coming games?


Not professional maybe, but the right decission. I don't think Livezerg will win the second match of that set and Stephano vs Cloud is much more interesting.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ - aka cReAtiVee
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 22 2011 15:11 GMT
#3248
On October 23 2011 00:10 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
is there a bracket for this tourney anywhere?


+ Show Spoiler +
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p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#3249
On October 23 2011 00:08 InsidiA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:06 Kira__ wrote:
look at people here not knowing when to gg

it was over

Definitely wasnt completely over. Even supply. still on equal bases and could have rexpanded (1600mins 500 gas.)


even supply PvZ pure roachtech.
Mouzone
Profile Joined April 2011
3937 Posts
October 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#3250
On October 23 2011 00:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:10 Mouzone wrote:
Kinda unprofessional switching match series in the middle of one by Khaldor stream. Any of the other streams showing Grubby's coming games?


I am sticking with Grubby.


Superb, TB. I prefer your commentating either way.
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
October 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#3251
Unprofessional? There is already another ENG stream casting this game, what's the point of having two streams??
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
October 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#3252
On October 23 2011 00:11 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:10 Brainiac wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:08 Seronei wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:06 Brainiac wrote:
Protoss deathball is unkillable by any Zerg army, Lz just wanted to spare some time. It is kinda depressing to see that over and over again.

Are you really whining about the protoss death ball? I thought we stopped doing that half a year ago.


No, I'm far from whining, this doesn't concern me at all (terran). It's just boring. If toss is above 160 supply you can either watchZerg die even if he massively outexpands toss, or him just leaving a game (that game).


Then you haven't watched enough TvZ where the zerg knows what he's doing.


Except we are talking about ZvP
Si vis pacem para bellum
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#3253
On October 23 2011 00:11 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:10 Brainiac wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:08 Seronei wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:06 Brainiac wrote:
Protoss deathball is unkillable by any Zerg army, Lz just wanted to spare some time. It is kinda depressing to see that over and over again.

Are you really whining about the protoss death ball? I thought we stopped doing that half a year ago.


No, I'm far from whining, this doesn't concern me at all (terran). It's just boring. If toss is above 160 supply you can either watchZerg die even if he massively outexpands toss, or him just leaving a game (that game).


Then you haven't watched enough TvZ where the zerg knows what he's doing.

I don't even...
mighty_honour_korea
Profile Joined March 2010
Scotland198 Posts
October 22 2011 15:12 GMT
#3254
On October 23 2011 00:12 Mouzone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:11 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On October 23 2011 00:10 Mouzone wrote:
Kinda unprofessional switching match series in the middle of one by Khaldor stream. Any of the other streams showing Grubby's coming games?


I am sticking with Grubby.


Superb, TB. I prefer your commentating either way.


Good guy TB. Starts match then finishes it. <3
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-22 15:13:28
October 22 2011 15:13 GMT
#3255
On October 23 2011 00:11 Chewbacca. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:06 bgx wrote:
wtf wtf Idra gg ?
200 supply vs 160 GG


3 Base zerg vs 3 Base protoss.

Just lost entire roach/corrupter army and did almost no damage.
Now has a pure roach army vs basically the same thing.

he was ahead in supply, so it wasnt 200 protoss army, he still had resources for corruptors dont make it as it was 200 200 when protoss has unbeatable army

emotional gg, shouldnt be encouraged but discouraged
Stork[gm]
CrumpetGuvnor
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia302 Posts
October 22 2011 15:13 GMT
#3256
On October 23 2011 00:11 sixfour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:10 CrumpetGuvnor wrote:
is there a bracket for this tourney anywhere?


+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]

hahah well played cheers. am i seeing that mana beat MC? and that livezerg is the random russian that beat idra?
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 22 2011 15:13 GMT
#3257
On October 23 2011 00:05 Caesarion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 22 2011 23:55 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:53 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:45 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:43 chrisolo wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:41 raf3776 wrote:
MKP will prolly talke the tourney


Stephanos ZvT and MaNas PvT will be hard, but it is possible.


MKP is very very bad for his standards in TvP... and MaNa is amazing in PvT. I don't think MKP stands a chance in TvP vs MaNa.


I thought you said nothing was black and white in this game MKP has some pretty sick timing attacks and cheesy strats TvP, anything could happen!

That being said, I want to see MarineKing vs SjoW first, that will be a good clash of styles.


Its not black and white and I didn't say MKP will lose, but I think that its likely. Others have said SjoW cannot beat MKP even if he playes blind-_-


Just curious, why do you think MKP is bad at TvP. I've always felt that his TvP was one of the best actually. His 1/1/1 and 2 base ghost push are pretty tough to stop.

I do agree that MaNa is insanely good at PvT. Should be a really good series, if they do meet.


Don't listen to naruto, he's a very bad judge of players with a heavy foreign bias. MKP's tvp is one of his best matchups, but yes he played terrible against huk, but that's just 1 bo3. Mana barely made round of 16 and needed a playoff to do it and he didn't even get out of group stage last week at iem new york. I don't think mana is that great.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11062 Posts
October 22 2011 15:14 GMT
#3258
grubby 2, LZ 8 on antiga
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
October 22 2011 15:14 GMT
#3259
On October 23 2011 00:13 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:05 Caesarion wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:55 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:53 AxionSteel wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:45 mTw|NarutO wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:43 chrisolo wrote:
On October 22 2011 23:41 raf3776 wrote:
MKP will prolly talke the tourney


Stephanos ZvT and MaNas PvT will be hard, but it is possible.


MKP is very very bad for his standards in TvP... and MaNa is amazing in PvT. I don't think MKP stands a chance in TvP vs MaNa.


I thought you said nothing was black and white in this game MKP has some pretty sick timing attacks and cheesy strats TvP, anything could happen!

That being said, I want to see MarineKing vs SjoW first, that will be a good clash of styles.


Its not black and white and I didn't say MKP will lose, but I think that its likely. Others have said SjoW cannot beat MKP even if he playes blind-_-


Just curious, why do you think MKP is bad at TvP. I've always felt that his TvP was one of the best actually. His 1/1/1 and 2 base ghost push are pretty tough to stop.

I do agree that MaNa is insanely good at PvT. Should be a really good series, if they do meet.


Don't listen to naruto, he's a very bad judge of players with a heavy foreign bias. MKP's tvp is one of his best matchups, but yes he played terrible against huk, but that's just 1 bo3. Mana barely made round of 16 and needed a playoff to do it and he didn't even get out of group stage last week at iem new york. I don't think mana is that great.


I am very foreign biased? Do you know I root for Koreans 95% of the time? Seems like you don't. Good that you know me so well.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Shuffleus
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Australia764 Posts
October 22 2011 15:14 GMT
#3260
On October 23 2011 00:09 bgx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 00:08 Shuffleus wrote:
As a zerg player i never quite understand how some of the other races still don't get that supply in a ZvP is almost negligible in situations like that. That game was very much over with the situation livezerg was in, sure he could've come back if grubby had made some kind of ridiculous mistake such as move-commanding into his army, but realistically he was dead.

iveseen 3 games in which players won in those position its good enough sample not to gg isnt it?


No, because i can say with 99% certainty that those games you watched may have looked familiar, but the exact situation the zerg was in was actually wildly different. It can be very deceptive to an observer looking through the casters eyes to be able to relate to the exact scenario a player is in.

The 1% in which it was the exact same case would be where the protoss was either terrible and nowhere near as good as grubby (and the Zerg was way better than the P) or the Protoss made a really really bad mistake.

I'm not saying you SHOULD leave in that scenario, but when you make the decision to stay in as a player it definately is with the knowledge that you're almost definately about to lose.
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