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Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
October 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#821
On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway


All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame.

Edit: that is, almost every top player has good enough micro do almost anything; its the choices and mindgames that win, thus, Hasu losing means Hasu was, at least today, the worse PvPer

kthxbai


kthxhai, care to explain why it's ~80% in each and every game of PvP?
most people are saying that hasuobs is more consistent in his good decision making mid to late game. even players today are unsure of the best way to play. if it means being able to stay alive, and being able to play well in the late game, then yeah, hasuobs did play a better style but fell short.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
DisaFear
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia4074 Posts
October 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#822
On October 04 2011 12:31 Drunkface wrote:
What the shirt should say
[image loading]

LOL, nice hat on Bitter
How devious | http://anartisticanswer.blogspot.com.au/
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
October 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#823
On October 04 2011 12:33 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:30 bkrow wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:29 usethis2 wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway


All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame.

You mean, coin-flipping.

Glad I missed the series between Hasu and Elfi. I enjoyed dinner instead. ^^

Wtf; how can you be "glad" you missed something when you have no idea what happened.

It was a pretty amazing series with a lot of back and forth action and awesome engagements. Really really entertaining to watch.

I got to watch like last 3 minutes where both Dark shrines were going up. I figured I wouldn't have missed much.

Unfortunately you missed heaps! Hasu was behind so he went for a gamble, and Elfi scouted no robo or forge so made the correct decision. DT shrine != insta-cheese

Anyway; i would recommend that series for some entertaining PvP
In The Rear With The Gear .. *giggle* /////////// cobra-LA-LA-LA-LA-LA!!!!
agtemd
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada362 Posts
October 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#824
On October 04 2011 12:32 Bayloader wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:31 Drunkface wrote:
What the shirt should say
[image loading]


I see nothing out of place. I don't get it.

4LOSE on Mr Bitter's shirt
kolofome
Profile Joined December 2010
United States96 Posts
October 04 2011 03:34 GMT
#825
...someone get a translator
battlefield 3 is pretty damn fun
sAfuRos
Profile Joined March 2009
United States743 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#826
LOL at kevin trying to push through his bullshit theory on how blink only would have won the shakuras game

WHEN YOU BLINK YOU CANT BLINK AGAIN FOR A WHILE, THUS, WHEN YOU BLINK INTO A BASE AND THEY HAVE ZEALOTS AND NEAR EQUAL STALKERS AND CLOSER REINFORCEMENTS, YOU WILL LOSE WAY MORE AND RUIN YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING

someone send this guy the goddamn memo

User was temp banned for this post.
sAfuRos // twitch.tv/sAfuRos // contact for coaching
falafelnr1
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden444 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#827
Elfi hwaiting!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27303 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#828
When Huk beat Naniwa in the final of Homestory cup I think it was, with a massive supply deficit and a risky DT switch everybody loved it, as did it. Huk showed a huge pair of balls and pulled back the deficit

Why the Elfi bashing?
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
Monocle
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1509 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#829
What a great PvP series, I was expecting HasuObs to take it but Elfi really surprised me. The dude is on fire.
Carnagath
Profile Joined July 2010
230 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#830
Solid decisionmaking by Elfi, mediocre micro across the board but better positionings for Hasu, although in the Phoenix game in his last push his immortals were shooting zealots.
"If you can chill, chill". -Tyler
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42414 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#831
On October 04 2011 12:34 kolofome wrote:
...someone get a translator


If you can't understand what he says, i doubt the translator can either.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
s4life
Profile Joined March 2007
Peru1519 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#832
On October 04 2011 12:31 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:30 Bagi wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:28 lariat wrote:
idra or puma will roflstomp elfi, elfi just doesn't have the mechanics to compete. He resorts to cheeky gimmicky builds that really will get shut down by solid players.

Elfi beat Idra 2-0 in the group stage.

lol, don't bother replying to someone that furious.

Can't people be supportive of a relatively new player breaking out and making the finals of a stacked tournament?


Too many groupies around here..
InserT_FreQ
Profile Joined August 2011
United States99 Posts
October 04 2011 03:35 GMT
#833
On October 04 2011 12:33 usethis2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:30 bkrow wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:29 usethis2 wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:27 sAfuRos wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:26 kolofome wrote:
elfi didnt deserve that, hasu outplayed him in just about everyway


All of you guys claiming Hasu outplayed...i hope you realize PvP at the top level is like 80% decision making. Its all metagame.

You mean, coin-flipping.

Glad I missed the series between Hasu and Elfi. I enjoyed dinner instead. ^^

Wtf; how can you be "glad" you missed something when you have no idea what happened.

It was a pretty amazing series with a lot of back and forth action and awesome engagements. Really really entertaining to watch.

I got to watch like last 3 minutes where both Dark shrines were going up. I figured I wouldn't have missed much.


If I had joined and seen that, I might have said that too, but really, the previous games were pretty good. Nothing very macro based, but for PvP's they were decent games. Hasu macro'd better, but Elfi had better game sense and decision making. Usually had better tech too.

Elfi again had good scouting, and I think it's his awareness of his opponent that is wining him these games.
Welcome to earth.
SequentiaL
Profile Joined May 2011
11 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#834
As much as I want to root for Elfi, i dont think Elfi can beat Idra or Puma. Nonetheless, im looking forward to Puma vs Idra
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#835
i would lololo so hard if elfi wins vs idra
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
RedMorning
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Canada117 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#836
On October 04 2011 12:25 Scrandom wrote:
Elfi deserves the Sick Nerd Baller award but probably won't get it because fanboys will vote Idra to the top or something


I personally think Elfi's play this tournament hasn't been "mind blowing" to be honest...lots of his wins haven't been due to some crazy sick play but more of his opponents screwing up really badly.

Look at the Strelok series, the situations where Strelok had the upper hand he would completely lose it to 2 storms. I think it was on Duel Sight, Strelok attacked near the 3rd of Elfi...except he stopped in that double choke...2 storms hit and his army automatically lost a ton of health. Really poor play by Strelok (which surprised me).

His series vs Hasu...Elfi should've lost that one but DTs save the day. In the words of Day[9]..."I'm toss and about to lose...lets build DTs!!!" (obviously I paraphrased that but it's close! ).

I don't main Toss so I guess I can't fully say if that's a "solid" win or not but from a spectator point of view it looks like it's more or less a "I hope he doesn't attack while I tech up and auto win!".

To top things off, how many mistakes has Elfi been making? For this level of play, there shouldn't be simple mistakes like missing 2 warp in rounds on a gateway because he forgot to make it a warpgate (final game vs hasu). I don't even see that at diamond level!

Maybe Elfi will grow on me, but for now, I'm not a fan. He has good build orders, but lots of his wins (in my opinion) weren't due to him outplaying his opponent. If he can tighten up his play more, then he will be very hard to beat but if he continues to play like this, I can see the other pro players figuring out his strats/play style and beating him consistently.

I will keep my eye on him though!
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27303 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#837
On October 04 2011 12:35 sAfuRos wrote:
LOL at kevin trying to push through his bullshit theory on how blink only would have won the shakuras game

WHEN YOU BLINK YOU CANT BLINK AGAIN FOR A WHILE, THUS, WHEN YOU BLINK INTO A BASE AND THEY HAVE ZEALOTS AND NEAR EQUAL STALKERS AND CLOSER REINFORCEMENTS, YOU WILL LOSE WAY MORE AND RUIN YOUR CHANCES OF WINNING

someone send this guy the goddamn memo

I'm pretty sure Rotti wasn't referring to using blink and going "herp derp blink right ON TOP OF HIS Zealots", jesus christ.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#838
On October 04 2011 12:36 Montana[TK] wrote:
i would lololo so hard if elfi wins vs idra


If Idra makes finals it would blow my mind lol. Him beating puma would be huge
When I think of something else, something will go here
Bayloader
Profile Joined September 2010
United States27 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#839
On October 04 2011 12:34 agtemd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 12:32 Bayloader wrote:
On October 04 2011 12:31 Drunkface wrote:
What the shirt should say
[image loading]


I see nothing out of place. I don't get it.

4LOSE on Mr Bitter's shirt


:|
Flerp Derp
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
October 04 2011 03:36 GMT
#840
WAT

he wants to play vs PuMa

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

elfi whatchu smokin'
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
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