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Keep enjoying the games. In advance, if you OP whine, see you in a while. If you post well, hopefully see a lot more of you :D <3
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4141
On October 04 2011 16:47 PieLieDie wrote:
idra could've scouted that super early... i dont understand why he doesnt suicide overlords.


he tried. just scouted the main. didn't suicide lings in the front which was unfortunate.
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
frukt1z
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden21 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4142
Go Elfi!
blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4143
On October 04 2011 16:47 Malstriks wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:44 blade55555 wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 zaii wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 blade55555 wrote:
I wish Idra wouldn't go hydra when there are a lot of phoenixes >>.


what should he go?


More roach heavy and either use infestors for fungels or corruptors. Either are better then going hydra (he couldn't afford that many infestors due to making so many hydra). Roaches don't die as fast either.


definitely disagree. you NEED hydras vs. phoenix. phoenix rape infestors unless you get some good fungals off and have quite a few infestors. spire tech was a far ways away


You don't need hydra's vs it. You can't rely on hydra/ling when he's going zealot/phoenix. We saw the same game hydra's got rolled due to how good phoenix are vs them.
When I think of something else, something will go here
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4144
On October 04 2011 16:47 FairForever wrote:
No FFE for Toss, my guess is a 4gate all-in...

Protoss can do more than 2base and 1 base all ins. Maybe he's just playing safe now, which would be smart.
TT1
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada10011 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4145
manner up and show some respect to elfi, u guys have such a negative and spiteful attitude
ab = tl(i) + tl(pc), the grand answer to every tl.net debate
Corrosive
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3741 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4146
On October 04 2011 16:47 snotboogie wrote:
Tagging a playstyle as "abusive" and shunning it is just unproductive. The Koreans definitely don't think that way.

It's all in the game. There is no abuse.

really? mvp said on his twitter that they should make a rule where you are DQ'ed if you 1-1-1. hes a terran and even he thinks its abusive.
Maruprime.
KosQ
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany223 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4147
On October 04 2011 16:46 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:45 chrisolo wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 Zooper31 wrote:
Sigh Elfi doing all-in's twice now. Won't respect this win unless he actually goes for a normal game.


wow now elfi has to go "normal game". He is not playing this for the money, but for the respect of Zooper31 on TeamLiquid.net. Seriously who the f*** cares about the money anyways!


Is it really so much to ask for a player not to all-in every single game in the finals? I feel like that is like the smallest thing to ask for as a spectator.

You do realize that his push was triggerd by the scouted quick 3rd by idra - go spread your hate equally among the players
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
October 04 2011 07:48 GMT
#4148
On October 04 2011 16:47 Indrium wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:46 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:45 chrisolo wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 Zooper31 wrote:
Sigh Elfi doing all-in's twice now. Won't respect this win unless he actually goes for a normal game.


wow now elfi has to go "normal game". He is not playing this for the money, but for the respect of Zooper31 on TeamLiquid.net. Seriously who the f*** cares about the money anyways!


Is it really so much to ask for a player not to all-in every single game in the finals? I feel like that is like the smallest thing to ask for as a spectator.


Players should play to win. If they do anything else, they're dumb. They're not here for spectators. They're here to win.


Yes winning is all that matters but if they want to keep any kind of fanbase they have to have real games and not be a BitByBit.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4149
On October 04 2011 16:47 alexlw92 wrote:
genius build order. even if it gets scouted, how would you stop it?

He saw the double stargate, but I don't think he saw all those gateways after the mass pheonix follow up w/ the warpgate. The only thing elfi could afford was phenoix and zealots. similar to a 7gate all in, just build a lot of spines, and a lot of lings.
liftlift > tsm
shockaslim
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1105 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4150
On October 04 2011 16:45 TheKefka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:44 Grettin wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 blade55555 wrote:
I wish Idra wouldn't go hydra when there are a lot of phoenixes >>.


Where should he go then? Mutas? Roach counter attack?

Not mutas,either corrupters or roaches with mass expanding and lots of spores.A toss wants you to go hydra against mass phoenix


And then you have this useless unit that can't kill anything because they won't go colossus....
Dirty Deeds...DONE DIRT CHEAP!!!
EnderCraft
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1746 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4151
On October 04 2011 16:46 FairForever wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:44 EnderCraft wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 dapierow wrote:
Abusive play is all that was...

No it really wasn't. It was a legitimate strat from a really good player.


So 1-1-1 isn't legit but this is? They're both fine strats, but they're both all-ins. Nothing wrong with all-ins but call a spade a spade.

I've never complained about 1-1-1. All ins take a certain finesse to stop. You can't keep failing against breaking the all-in and expect to win.
SC:BW has a higher skill ceiling than SC2? SC 64 is where it's at brah.
Zooper31
Profile Joined May 2009
United States5711 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4152
On October 04 2011 16:48 KosQ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:46 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:45 chrisolo wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 Zooper31 wrote:
Sigh Elfi doing all-in's twice now. Won't respect this win unless he actually goes for a normal game.


wow now elfi has to go "normal game". He is not playing this for the money, but for the respect of Zooper31 on TeamLiquid.net. Seriously who the f*** cares about the money anyways!


Is it really so much to ask for a player not to all-in every single game in the finals? I feel like that is like the smallest thing to ask for as a spectator.

You do realize that his push was triggerd by the scouted quick 3rd by idra - go spread your hate equally among the players


Um no it wasn't. He had 2stargates stupid fast, he had this planned.
Asato ma sad gamaya, tamaso ma jyotir gamaya, mrtyor mamrtam gamaya
ChaosTerran
Profile Joined August 2011
Austria844 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4153
On October 04 2011 16:43 SenorChang wrote:
Elfi really needs to work on his unit control, so many times he had idle units.
But that is scary that he can still win with those mistakes, with some more training it will be terrifying!


Play Protoss -> make mistakes and beat a player with 3x better mechanics.

User was temp banned for this post.
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4154
Elfi throwing down 2 more gates and harassing with stalkers as Idra takes his 3rd. Elfi finally throwing down his expand.
Jieun <3
akalarry
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1978 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4155
On October 04 2011 16:47 alexlw92 wrote:
genius build order. even if it gets scouted, how would you stop it?


lol. you kill the warp prism. you have units there while toss is warping in units. you don't let a warp prism warp 2 sets of units in your base uncontested when you know it's coming, just like you don't let a terran drop all his marines and marauders for free.
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 07:50:13
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4156
On October 04 2011 16:48 TT1 wrote:
manner up and show some respect to elfi, u guys have such a negative and spiteful attitude

-

Hahaha im glad you're back :D

You mean the last post you made on this thread bming idra? and then u suddenly left for 2hours and now you're back?
Haha keep it up man :D you're hilarious.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
Shaetan
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1175 Posts
October 04 2011 07:49 GMT
#4157
On October 04 2011 16:48 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:47 Indrium wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:46 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:45 chrisolo wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 Zooper31 wrote:
Sigh Elfi doing all-in's twice now. Won't respect this win unless he actually goes for a normal game.


wow now elfi has to go "normal game". He is not playing this for the money, but for the respect of Zooper31 on TeamLiquid.net. Seriously who the f*** cares about the money anyways!


Is it really so much to ask for a player not to all-in every single game in the finals? I feel like that is like the smallest thing to ask for as a spectator.


Players should play to win. If they do anything else, they're dumb. They're not here for spectators. They're here to win.


Yes winning is all that matters but if they want to keep any kind of fanbase they have to have real games and not be a BitByBit.


And a fanbase is important to them winning why?
My Casts: www.youtube.com/Shaetan
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 07:51:08
October 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#4158
On October 04 2011 16:48 Zooper31 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 16:47 Indrium wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:46 Zooper31 wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:45 chrisolo wrote:
On October 04 2011 16:43 Zooper31 wrote:
Sigh Elfi doing all-in's twice now. Won't respect this win unless he actually goes for a normal game.


wow now elfi has to go "normal game". He is not playing this for the money, but for the respect of Zooper31 on TeamLiquid.net. Seriously who the f*** cares about the money anyways!


Is it really so much to ask for a player not to all-in every single game in the finals? I feel like that is like the smallest thing to ask for as a spectator.


Players should play to win. If they do anything else, they're dumb. They're not here for spectators. They're here to win.


Yes winning is all that matters but if they want to keep any kind of fanbase they have to have real games and not be a BitByBit.


If someone goes for a greedy game and gets only economy and techs without any fighting units whatsoever, there is no reason not to attack. It's called doing the right stuff and that wins you the game, blame it on IdrA if he loses to that stuff.

You attack when you can, and if you see that he doesn't have anything to defend, you don't just go and expand and risk the game, you just outright kill him. Elfi did that and had success because IdrA didn't react properly.
Executor1
Profile Joined April 2011
1353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-04 07:50:49
October 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#4159
On October 04 2011 16:47 Kylereeves13 wrote:
It was a very awesome strategy from Elfi but it would have been extremely sick if he would have expanded on top of it.

Yea thats the one thing i didnt like, but in all fairness at some points idra was so close to holding it off, elfi was wallking a thin line there for a bit and an expand could have turned it around , if he could end it there he may as welll have because almoost definitely he would have been pushed back if he expanded, he was transitioning out of it with collosus though and if he expanded as well he could have built up collosus at home and come back and raped all those hydras, but why would he want to extend a game that he could most likely win right there, extending it just gives him more chances to make mistakes and lose.
mazqo
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland368 Posts
October 04 2011 07:50 GMT
#4160
stop crying stupid bitches, just accept the fact that you dont have to have best mechanics to play sc2 in top level. Good strategies and very good decision making is enough.
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