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Yuriegh
Profile Joined July 2010
United States327 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 12:55:48
September 29 2011 12:55 GMT
#2361
On September 29 2011 21:54 phildp wrote:
I'm guessing that it won't be long til a CreatorPrime fanclub is made! Can't wait to join it


your to late I all ready called it!
I got shot through a place not long ago I thought I knew the place so well
CortoMontez
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia608 Posts
September 29 2011 12:55 GMT
#2362
Well personally I'm not surprised... how else could MKP come second?
"Creator was doing a really good job trying to win without storm but it was like eating spaghetti with a screwdriver." -Severian
dartoo
Profile Joined May 2010
India2889 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2363
On September 29 2011 21:52 Storm_Rider wrote:
I wanted TSL to win the tournament but I'm happy for Prime. Great series..gotta love the GSTL.



Yeah me too, I wanted TSL to go through and take the tourney, but seeing all the emotion on creators face made me happy they won too. next time tsl! Creator is 13 years old o.0 and family issues aswell, I hope he does well.
sleepingdog
Profile Joined August 2008
Austria6145 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2364
On September 29 2011 21:52 Teoita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 21:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 29 2011 21:47 Orpheusz wrote:
On September 29 2011 21:46 sleepingdog wrote:
So, I ask this again - why did all Korean protoss players back away from double forge colossus and start with chargelot/archon?

Double forge play is STILL so very unexplored and from all protoss PvT strategies I've ever seen this seems to have one of the highest win-%.


The timing alive hit right before 2-2 would've crushed it on any other map.


That's why I said "unexplored" - obviously it has to be played differently (colossus-timing-wise and council-timing-wise) on each map. But in the last few months korean protoss-players established the chargelot/archon metagame....which just seemed to have a terrible win-%


I remember when tyler first started trying double forge builds, he would not go colossus at all but instead get either fast storm or a third the moment his 2/2 got done, and only then he teched to colossus.
I think the strat if anything is even better with the immortal buff because you might even be able to delay colossi for a while and be fine vs 2-4 medivacs with just gateway+immortals.


I think fast upgrades immortals might prove to be just that vs a fast medivac play (immortals with upgrades deal damage way too quickly to allow for any out-healing) - vs fast ghosts though I think going colossus is fine.

I just don't understand why everyone backed away from double forge play so quickly. Tyler's opening is/was inefficient (3 gates + robo before expansion is too weak macro-wise, nobody does that anymore). But that aside, I always wondered why double forge went out of fashion without never seeming to get build order countered since you just don't go double forge after your observer confirms weird stuff. Creator showed in the last games that it - still..or again? - has great potential.
"You see....YOU SEE..." © 2010 Sen
KingPaddy
Profile Joined November 2010
1053 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2365
On September 29 2011 21:55 MooMooMugi wrote:
I know who I'm putting on my fantasy league next season..

I had him this year. Wasn't too succesful
adrift
Profile Joined August 2010
192 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2366
im not complaining that we got to see a macro game..

but its just silly to pick crossfire and then not do an all-in. everyone knows that map is ridiculous for forcefield + aoe if you let the protoss get to that point. if you want to play a macro game pick a different map

TheRidd
Profile Joined January 2011
713 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2367
On September 29 2011 21:54 phildp wrote:
I'm guessing that it won't be long til a CreatorPrime fanclub is made! Can't wait to join it

That was what i was thinking, make the boy a fanclub !!
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2368
On September 29 2011 21:52 Storm_Rider wrote:
I wanted TSL to win the tournament but I'm happy for Prime. Great series..gotta love the GSTL.


This pretty much echos my thoughts.

I really wanted TSL to win knowing they wanted to win it so badly as a team. But i'm happy for Creator.

Great series overall and a fantastic finale. GSTL always seems to deliver more often than not.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 12:57:37
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2369
On September 29 2011 21:51 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Honestly I dont understand the thought process of the korean coaches in GSTL.
First you have JYP demolishing Terious as PvZ is his best matchup. Reaction of the prime coach? Send 2 more zergs at him... seriously?

Creator takes out Clide, ok no problem, Creator has a sick PvT and this pick made sense... But why then why the fuck did you send Heart who is obviously worse than Clide, and aLive who is just bad at TvP?

Why dont you send Killer? Yes he is still in Code S, but it's not like he's going to reveal his PvP builds and screw his code S run, he's the only Protoss left in code S... And even if he didn't practice PvP for a time, he still has better chances than aLive :/

I really don't understand why at this level they seem to just throw random players out...


Killer categorically did not have a better chance vs Protoss than aLive did. I have absolutely no idea why you think he would have.
KangaRuthless
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States304 Posts
September 29 2011 12:56 GMT
#2370
On September 29 2011 20:14 MooMooMugi wrote:
If this guy plays like Tails did vs IM and kills 4 TSL members in a row, I will eat my pants


+ Show Spoiler +
So are you going to make a video of you eating your pants?
www.youtube.com/KangaRuthless
turamn
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1374 Posts
September 29 2011 12:58 GMT
#2371
LOL CREATOR!! How sick...ultimate clutch reverse all kill !
Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
September 29 2011 12:58 GMT
#2372
On September 29 2011 21:56 sleepingdog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 21:52 Teoita wrote:
On September 29 2011 21:49 sleepingdog wrote:
On September 29 2011 21:47 Orpheusz wrote:
On September 29 2011 21:46 sleepingdog wrote:
So, I ask this again - why did all Korean protoss players back away from double forge colossus and start with chargelot/archon?

Double forge play is STILL so very unexplored and from all protoss PvT strategies I've ever seen this seems to have one of the highest win-%.


The timing alive hit right before 2-2 would've crushed it on any other map.


That's why I said "unexplored" - obviously it has to be played differently (colossus-timing-wise and council-timing-wise) on each map. But in the last few months korean protoss-players established the chargelot/archon metagame....which just seemed to have a terrible win-%


I remember when tyler first started trying double forge builds, he would not go colossus at all but instead get either fast storm or a third the moment his 2/2 got done, and only then he teched to colossus.
I think the strat if anything is even better with the immortal buff because you might even be able to delay colossi for a while and be fine vs 2-4 medivacs with just gateway+immortals.


I think fast upgrades immortals might prove to be just that vs a fast medivac play (immortals with upgrades deal damage way too quickly to allow for any out-healing) - vs fast ghosts though I think going colossus is fine.

I just don't understand why everyone backed away from double forge play so quickly. Tyler's opening is/was inefficient (3 gates + robo before expansion is too weak macro-wise, nobody does that anymore). But that aside, I always wondered why double forge went out of fashion without never seeming to get build order countered since you just don't go double forge after your observer confirms weird stuff. Creator showed in the last games that it - still..or again? - has great potential.


Yeah beats me, i can't figure out why people like zealot/archon better either. I think it might just have been a big over-reaction to the archon buff.
ModeratorProtoss all-ins are like a wok. You can throw whatever you want in there and it will turn out alright.
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 29 2011 12:59 GMT
#2373
On September 29 2011 21:58 turamn wrote:
LOL CREATOR!! How sick...ultimate clutch reverse all kill !


That wasn't a reverse all kill. But yes it was pretty clutch.
jjhchsc2
Profile Joined December 2010
Korea (South)2393 Posts
September 29 2011 13:00 GMT
#2374
holy shjfmsdifmfnd shit!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i gave up
on prime after the fifth set and went to bed but woke up to check and i see this !!!!
holy shit!!!!!!!
Lee Ssang/ Lee Shin/ Kim Jung Woo/ Kim Min Chul/Jun Tae Yang/Park Soo Ho/Lee Jung Hoon/Choi Sung Hoon/ Moon Sung Won/Park Ji Soo/ Lee Ho Joon/ Jang Min Chul/ Kim Seung Chul/SaSe/IdrA/Ret Fighting! BW4Life
Clefairy
Profile Joined September 2011
1570 Posts
September 29 2011 13:01 GMT
#2375
I really wish GSL would reset and do another Open Season. Or increase the number of people falling through the Up & Down matches. So many players better than the stagnant Code S players these days.
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
September 29 2011 13:01 GMT
#2376
On September 29 2011 21:53 Jaedong4thOSL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2011 21:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:
On September 29 2011 21:50 poorcloud wrote:
Yeah, maybe we should have the team league like the pro league format. So that teams cant just ride on the back of 1 player.

Then IM would win every season


This format should work better for star players, like those players in IM.
But in some way, they just kept losing.
If they can't even win one game, how can you expect them to be better in PL format.


The fact IM didn't stomp everyone is that both Nestea and MvP are trolling in non-code S event.
Look how this little Virus is not afraid of Nestea (and will probably get owned), and how MMA thought he would win "because he owned him in AOL"...their masterplan works perfectly...
Juanald you're my hero I miss you -> best troll ever on TL <3
Fluffboll
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden516 Posts
September 29 2011 13:01 GMT
#2377
Prime is awesome! always vote for them
You need to construct additional pylons.
ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
September 29 2011 13:02 GMT
#2378
Awsome GSTL day. Creator totally deserved that, playing like a boss.
MC | NesTea | Jaedong | PartinG | Liquid'HerO | MvP | Flash | White-Ra | Polt | Squirtle |
Lunareste
Profile Joined July 2011
United States3596 Posts
September 29 2011 13:02 GMT
#2379
I'm still in shock man...

Seeing Creator so emotional and happy and proud makes me realize just how dedicated he is to the game and to succeeding.

What a powerful image to end that cast on. This has been one of my favorite days of Starcraft II ever!
KT FlaSh FOREVER
Xkalibert
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1404 Posts
September 29 2011 13:02 GMT
#2380
sc2 players playing Brood war
http://gall.dcinside.com/list.php?id=apink&no=320170&page=1&bbs=
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