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Loodah
335 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:06 gengka wrote: who really shone today? its JYP and Creator, so STOP WHINING! PROTOSS IS NOT UNDERPOWERED OK??? Lol he played revival who is solid- he then beat three terrans who are decent with the same build over and over - balance issues aside, Creator earned many fans today. What a beast | ||
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HuHEN
United Kingdom514 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:08 Elem wrote: Annyung and BBoongBBoong played awfully, and 3 Terrans were too stupid to figure out that Creator does the same build over and over and is ridiculously weak early game because its so greedy. I agree that its too soon to say protoss is back, but this is a good sign for certain, so lets stop looking for reasons that toss is UP and be happy for once. | ||
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
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poorcloud
Singapore2748 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:10 Talin wrote: So basically everybody is bad and stupid except people on TL forums. Standard. Lol its easy to say. But put yourself in alives position. You know creators build, so you prepared a nice build to end the game early, the ghost rush. U got your army up, and you scan and your like, shit can i do this? Your whole team hopes rest on you, you practised 10 hours everyday just to win this single match and you know you cannot fuck this attack up if u stim and move forward. With that amount of pressure, you decide to back off because you cannot bear the consequences if you lose the game. Thats where it all went wrong for alive. He was behind on upgrades, same amount of expansions, protoss had a more cost efficient army and ghosts EMP don't do that well against colossus as compared to archon zealot. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:08 Elem wrote: Annyung and BBoongBBoong played awfully, and 3 Terrans were too stupid to figure out that Creator does the same build over and over and is ridiculously weak early game because its so greedy. What about Tails? Gonna go through those games as well and point out mistakes that his opponents made? Just be happy that protoss is doing better. I swear people cling on to their 'UP' cards for as long as they can and I don't know why. | ||
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Demonace34
United States2493 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:15 The KY wrote: What about Tails? Gonna go through those games as well and point out mistakes that his opponents made? Just be happy that protoss is doing better. I swear people cling on to their 'UP' cards for as long as they can and I don't know why. It allows them to complain easier on ladder after they lose to something similar. You get more buffs in the future, etc. I just want to see how the patch plays out. | ||
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gengka
Malaysia461 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:07 Teoita wrote: With that logic i could point at every code s ro32 group and say protoss is in fact up. The sample size from just a few games is too small to draw any conclusions. Sage, JYP, Tails, Creators, even killer surprisingly played well. I wouldn't say its all coincidence, what i think is protoss is undergoing at transition period, more to come from this under rated (currently) race | ||
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Elem
Sweden4717 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:15 The KY wrote: I am not trying to cling to any cards. I am simply saying that this doesn't mean that Protoss suddently is a godly race. I am definitively happy for the Protoss Race, but at the same time we should not get ahead of ourselves, which the poster I originally quoted kinda did. What about Tails? Gonna go through those games as well and point out mistakes that his opponents made? Just be happy that protoss is doing better. I swear people cling on to their 'UP' cards for as long as they can and I don't know why.  | ||
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Loodah
335 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:15 The KY wrote: What about Tails? Gonna go through those games as well and point out mistakes that his opponents made? Just be happy that protoss is doing better. I swear people cling on to their 'UP' cards for as long as they can and I don't know why. Yeah actually..... Nestea lost his main to dts when they walked past his detection ...... And then he still would have won had the stalkers not caught the drops before they landed..... MVP just did an abusive all in on a really good map for it and then attacked too late. Look why did anyone even bring up balance? The numbers are clear. I'm just happy creator showed a really nice pvt build and some great play. Both jyp and creator look fantastic so we can all look to the future for some new Protoss heros | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:03 makk wrote: lol I stopped watching after clide won.. big mistake  i feel your pain | ||
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kiy0
Portugal593 Posts
The thing is, and I'm sure many people around here don't understand, is that playing in a team league it's NOT the same as an individual GSL. In team leagues, at best you might prepare a couple of strategies considering an opposing race and map, while the rest of the matches are mostly ladder type strategies. In individual league, you can prepare a handful of strategies for the same opponent. This being said, considering the state of the game, it's pretty "easy" for a Terran or Zerg player to find out what are the weaknesses of a Protoss player. And btw, Protoss got 7 wins today, 5 of them against Code A level players (some are even Code B). Furthermore, Clide lost like he always does ("I got the advantage, let me throw it away"). So do us all a favor, and don't start saying Protoss is doing OK. The RNG of team leagues today determined a good day of the race, though the future is still dark unless things mix up a lot. Blizzard is probably relieved this sort of thing happened. Though like I said, you can't take team leagues as a measure of racial balance. It's just not how it works. | ||
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ThE)ShoWTimE
Italy213 Posts
Creator is really proving to be a beast and i gotta really say today was protoss day ^_^ (oh my poor liquibets T_T) | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:12 Atreides wrote: I am pretty sure it is because the korean metagame shifted to where Terrans went double starport (1 reactor one naked) off 2 base every time and Protoss felt like their colossus builds were no good at all. So they started to do all this zealot archon and fast ht stuff. But now every Terran goes fast ghost lol, and ghost counter archon/HT better than vikings counters Colossus. (Since ghosts good vs everything pretty much and the control war is actually easier to protect Colossus from vikings than to dodge emps I think.) Combine that with resurgence of 1-1-1 all-ins which punished all their "safe" middle of the road expands and PvT went completely to hell. I think that a LOT of stuff can just be figured out and maybe not everything is as imba as it seems. (Not saying I don't think 1-1-1 or ghosts are imba) Anyways thats my thoughts. This is ultimately the problem for protoss and the reason they are so bad vs terran. Protoss needs aoe damage to kill a terran army. That means HTs, colossi, or both. Ghosts shut HT down and vikings shut colossi down so long as the proper numbers of these are made in response. Protoss can do some neat stuff with upgrades, fancy tech switches, but if a game goes to long a terran will have ghosts and vikings together and win. Toss are getting by right now with timings like going HT and then instantly switching to colossi when they have no vikings. These are just a new wave of protoss timing attacks that will be figured out like the old ones IMO. | ||
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The KY
United Kingdom6252 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:20 Loodah wrote: Yeah actually..... Nestea lost his main to dts when they walked past his detection ...... And then he still would have won had the stalkers not caught the drops before they landed..... MVP just did an abusive all in on a really good map for it and then attacked too late. Look why did anyone even bring up balance? The numbers are clear. I'm just happy creator showed a really nice pvt build and some great play. Both jyp and creator look fantastic so we can all look to the future for some new Protoss heros Well...the point I was making was that you can point out mistakes made by the loser in every game ever played. But anyway yeah I'm hope this upward trend continues for toss since I enjoy watching them play. In fact most of my favourite players are protoss even though I've been playing mostly terran since release. | ||
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secretary bird
447 Posts
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
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firehand101
Australia3152 Posts
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TheSubtleArt
Canada2527 Posts
On September 29 2011 22:22 kiy0 wrote: Hurray, Protoss won a bunch of Bo1 series, they are soo powerful... not...! The thing is, and I'm sure many people around here don't understand, is that playing in a team league it's NOT the same as an individual GSL. In team leagues, at best you might prepare a couple of strategies considering an opposing race and map, while the rest of the matches are mostly ladder type strategies. In individual league, you can prepare a handful of strategies for the same opponent. This being said, considering the state of the game, it's pretty "easy" for a Terran or Zerg player to find out what are the weaknesses of a Protoss player. And btw, Protoss got 7 wins today, 5 of them against Code A level players (some are even Code B). Furthermore, Clide lost like he always does ("I got the advantage, let me throw it away"). So do us all a favor, and don't start saying Protoss is doing OK. The RNG of team leagues today determined a good day of the race, though the future is still dark unless things mix up a lot. Blizzard is probably relieved this sort of thing happened. Though like I said, you can't take team leagues as a measure of racial balance. It's just not how it works. QQQQQQ Two very good protoss got a bunch of wins vs solid players. Clearly toss isn't unwinnable lol. | ||
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ineq
Sweden376 Posts
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