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On September 29 2011 21:46 Maghetti wrote:
The terrans creator faced made some huge mistakes, clide over committing after killing an army, heart not getting the vikings and ghosts he needed, and Alive 2based really hard, got tons of units and just didn't attack....
With that said, this showed how good upgrades are in pvt. I watch a lot of protoss streams these days and they always heavily delay upgrades. Creator did the opposite and it made a massive difference. I hope to see other protosses getting heavy upgrades in a similar fashion.
I agree. Not to take anything away from creator who was extremely solid. But you can't ignore upgrades in pvt, delaying upgrades to tech faster carries a risk and it made a huge difference in those games.
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On September 29 2011 21:49 sleepingdog wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:47 Orpheusz wrote:On September 29 2011 21:46 sleepingdog wrote:
So, I ask this again - why did all Korean protoss players back away from double forge colossus and start with chargelot/archon?
Double forge play is STILL so very unexplored and from all protoss PvT strategies I've ever seen this seems to have one of the highest win-%. The timing alive hit right before 2-2 would've crushed it on any other map. That's why I said "unexplored" - obviously it has to be played differently (colossus-timing-wise and council-timing-wise) on each map. But in the last few months korean protoss-players established the chargelot/archon metagame....which just seemed to have a terrible win-%
I remember when tyler first started trying double forge builds, he would not go colossus at all but instead get either fast storm or a third the moment his 2/2 got done, and only then he teched to colossus.
I think the strat if anything is even better with the immortal buff because you might even be able to delay colossi for a while and be fine vs 2-4 medivacs with just gateway+immortals.
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On September 29 2011 21:51 Brainiac wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:51 Shellshock1122 wrote:On September 29 2011 21:50 Brainiac wrote:
Why was MVP not in Arena of Legends? Seems pretty ridic to me He was. He lost Oh, seems like I've missed one day of AOL oO
He was in Group C. Huk, DRG, MVP
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On September 29 2011 21:49 bokchoi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:48 Inflicted_ wrote:
Anyone feed sad that TSL is the team that really needed the money (+ sponsors from winning) while Prime is also sufficiently funded with their clothing lines and what not? You realize Prime was forced into investing into a clothing line to try to get some money right? TSL at least has some sponsors. Prime has 0. They're completely self-sufficient. Prime needs the sponsors.
Considering the clothes on Primzzang are relatively cheap (look at Slayers for a comparison...) i wonder how much of a profit they make. But yeah. having zero sponsors for quite a while now, Prime really needed this.
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On September 29 2011 21:50 TimeFlighT wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:48 Krossfire wrote:On September 29 2011 21:45 antilyon wrote:On September 29 2011 21:42 andis35 wrote:
prime is gonna get demolished in finals We'll see, we'll see. Never underestimate a hardworking team. You mean a lucky team? Clide should have ended the comeback before it even started Sir, you don't win 4 games in a row and call it lucky. Not to mention a protoss won 4 in a row.
It wasn't luck Creator never cheesed and his play was really top notch hardly any errors.
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I wanted TSL to win the tournament but I'm happy for Prime. Great series..gotta love the GSTL. 
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On September 29 2011 21:48 s3rp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:45 Phtes wrote:
That build is so strong vs terran, he can get his upgrades so much faster =.=, if it goes late game vs creators build your basically done for. Looks like terran need to double engi sooner now Which leaves you wide open to early pushes because you spend alot of resourced to early ebay's . Just like Protoss is with this style. Creator was wide open to be killed but Alive totally missed his timing .
Or terran can just expand or even double expand around the 8-9 min mark If creator looses a battle he's done for after that. Still cool stuff.
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On September 29 2011 21:50 andaylin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:49 bokchoi wrote:On September 29 2011 21:48 Inflicted_ wrote:
Anyone feed sad that TSL is the team that really needed the money (+ sponsors from winning) while Prime is also sufficiently funded with their clothing lines and what not? You realize Prime was forced into investing into a clothing line to try to get some money right? TSL at least has some sponsors. Prime has 0. They're completely self-sufficient. Prime needs the sponsors. dont they have sabasaba chicken?
sabasaba ended the sponsorship.
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On September 29 2011 21:50 Benjef wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:48 Inflicted_ wrote:
Anyone feed sad that TSL is the team that really needed the money (+ sponsors from winning) while Prime is also sufficiently funded with their clothing lines and what not? Isn't TSL one of the only Sponsored teams with Salaries?
Yeah, they were. But from Coach Lee's response to the TSL and Puma drama, something was said along the lines of Killer and Clide having to use their Code S prize money to help support the team.
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sad to say a 15 year old kid may be sc2's mantoss.
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15 years old kids like creator can stop school to play starcraft full time or not??
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Clide lost that for his team, he made the biggest mistake going in after that battle. All downhill from there. Plus creator just played amazing, props
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On September 29 2011 21:50 Shellshock1122 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:50 poorcloud wrote:
Yeah, maybe we should have the team league like the pro league format. So that teams cant just ride on the back of 1 player. Then IM would win every season
This format should work better for star players, like those players in IM.
But in some way, they just kept losing.
If they can't even win one game, how can you expect them to be better in PL format.
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On September 29 2011 21:53 nomatch353 wrote:
15 years old kids like creator can stop school to play starcraft full time or not??
He's in school fulltime afaik. Which makes him even more baller.
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On September 29 2011 21:51 BobMcJohnson wrote:
Honestly I dont understand the thought process of the korean coaches in GSTL.
First you have JYP demolishing Terious as PvZ is his best matchup. Reaction of the prime coach? Send 2 more zergs at him... seriously?
Creator takes out Clide, ok no problem, Creator has a sick PvT and this pick made sense... But why then why the fuck did you send Heart who is obviously worse than Clide, and aLive who is just bad at TvP?
Why dont you send Killer? Yes he is still in Code S, but it's not like he's going to reveal his PvP builds and screw his code S run, he's the only Protoss left in code S... And even if he didn't practice PvP for a time, he still has better chances than aLive :/
I really don't understand why at this level they seem to just throw random players out...
Completely agree 100%.......it still boggles my mind
worse that each of the zerg/terrans that were sent out do the same build
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On September 29 2011 21:52 Aegeis wrote:Show nested quote +On September 29 2011 21:50 TimeFlighT wrote:On September 29 2011 21:48 Krossfire wrote:On September 29 2011 21:45 antilyon wrote:On September 29 2011 21:42 andis35 wrote:
prime is gonna get demolished in finals We'll see, we'll see. Never underestimate a hardworking team. You mean a lucky team? Clide should have ended the comeback before it even started Sir, you don't win 4 games in a row and call it lucky. Not to mention a protoss won 4 in a row. It wasn't luck Creator never cheesed and his play was really top notch hardly any errors.
you're quoting the wrong guy lol. i was replying to him that creator's win wasn't based on luck.
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Wow, the list of the next generation of Protoss heroes are growing:
Puzzle
Hero
Sage
JYP
And we can add Creator to that list. Despite the dark age of Protoss that's going on right now, the future looks pretty bright for Aiur.
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I'm guessing that it won't be long til a CreatorPrime fanclub is made! Can't wait to join it
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I know who I'm putting on my fantasy league next season..
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On September 29 2011 21:53 GTR wrote:
sad to say a 15 year old kid may be sc2's mantoss.
Then in that case, SC2 would have a boytoss. 
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