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National ESL is partnering with the Electronic Sports world cup to provide the North/South/Central American a method for qualification. This year at the ESWC Grand Finals Starcraft 2 will have a prize purse of $66,000 up for grab! For more information on the finals please visit Here!
For European nations, please visit http://www.esl.eu/eu/eswc/ for information on how to qualify.
Four of the best players are eligible to attend the event from the North/South/Central American region. It will be determined by only ONE double elimination cup, so do not miss out on it! The top 2 from the winner bracket as well as the Top 2 from the loser bracket will qualify and receive the qualifier prizes.
Here is the qualification prize breakdown:
The Top 4 Qualified Players
1. FXO.qxc
2.EG.IdrA
3. EG.Axslav
4.CoL.Minigun
view replays by clicking on each match "vs" at the brackets:
http://www.nationalesl.com/us/eswc/sc2/sc2_qualification/rankings/
1st & 2nd place:
- A slot in the ESWC Grand Finals 2011
- Paid hotel during the event
- Paid tournament fee
3rd & 4th place
- A slot in the ESWC Grand Finals 2011
- Paid tournament fee
Qualifier Cup Information - Completed
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Entre Fee: $10 entry fee is required for this qualifier
How To Make the Payment:
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First head over to: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/eswc/payment/ and draw your attention over to the Payment box.
If you successfully signed up you need to pay. There will not be any confirmation without a successful payment.
Payment must be done via Paypal. Select in the pulldown menu if you are a player or team, fill in your ESL or Team ID and click buy now.
Make sure you give us your ESL ID or Team ID. If you paid and are not accepted, please make a support ticket.
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Date and Time: Saturday Septemer 24th starting at 8:00 pm EST (GMT -5:00)
Sign up: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/eswc/sc2/sc2_qualification/signup/
Check-In Time: 7:00 pm EST
Cup Rules: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/eswc/sc2/sc2_qualification/leagueinfo/
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Payment
To enter this tournament a player needs to pay 10 dollars. This can be done via paypal. A sign-up will not be accepted before the payment is received. More information can be found here.
Prizes
The top2 of the tournament will get a direct spot in the Grand Finals including a paid hotel and entrance fee.
The number 3 and 4 of the tournament will get a direct spot in the Grand Finals including a paid entrance fee.
Country Restriction
In order to sign-up your country must be listed here:
- United States
- Canada
Replays
Replays must be uploaded to the match page (not zipped) immediately after the match! You will receive penalty points for missing replays starting at the quarter finals!
Match format
Best of 3 in the all rounds except the finales is played in a best of 5.
In Best of 3 and Best of 5 a map veto (removal and pick) system is used. The high seeded player(seeds can be found at round 1 on the grid page) decides who starts. Players take it in turn removing maps until only three remain, then each player picks a map. Maps are played in order they are picked. The remaining map is played last.
Disconnects
If there is a disconnect in the first 4 minutes of the game and there has been no contact between players, then the game will be restarted.
After this time, the match should be re-gamed unless one player had a great advantage.
If the problem occurs frequently then an admin should be contacted.
If a game is restarted players must choose the same races.
No Shows
If your opponent is not ready to play, 20 minutes after the scheduled match time, then you should report that your opponent is a no show to an admin in the Cup Chat.
Protests
Protests must be raised to admins in the cup chat as soon as possible. Protests raised late, or through the website may be ignored.
Streaming
Streaming partners can contact us via support ticket.
Hosting
If admins want to host the game this will be communicated towards the player via the match page. So make sure you check the match page for admin comments. If an admin communicated a game should be hosted by him, the game is not valid if started anyway.
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Map Pool:
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TSL Metalopolis
ESL Shakuras Plateau
GSL Tal’Darim Altar LE
GSTL GSL Crevasse
GSTL GSL Crossfire SE
GSTL GSL Terminus SE
GSTL GSL Xel’Naga Caverns
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See current registered members: http://www.nationalesl.com/us/eswc/sc2/sc2_qualification/database/members/*/
Players that do not qualify online, or do not have an offline qualifier in their country can be selected to attend the event via sending an application. Read more about the application procedure and its costs on the ESWC website.
Good luck and have fun to everyone!
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So are all the teams that boycotted ESWC still not registering for this?
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ESWC has opened up the qualifications to people from central and south america too.
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why are teams boycotting eswc? no payment?
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On September 15 2011 10:39 qxc wrote:
why are teams boycotting eswc? no payment?
The reason they gave was that it is because ESWC opened up the event so that players from countries without national qualifiers can pay the tournament fee themselves and enter, provided they are deemed good enough.
There is some speculation as to whether it has something to do with the troubles ESWC has had with finances and payouts though!
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ESWC has struggled mightily in the past paying out prizes, etc... and they had a $200 fee to participate or something #_#
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for only 10$ u can get a trip to France... that's a very good deal since normally it costs 300x more when you come from USA. And more u can also earn 26k in winning their SC2 event... Don't listen all the shit that people say about ESWC because it's false. USA/CA has his own qualifiers so your aren't concerned by those issues.
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lol Napoleon, wtf are you talking about? :D
It might not be that well known in the SC2 community (cuz there were no bw and obv no sc2 tournaments), but i think some CS teams might tell you a different story about the payments in the past^^ (edit: or just google, youll find some results pretty easily...)
either way, what did i miss - since when does the esl work together with the eswc?
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Sign ups still open to those who want to give it a shot!
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wait so 1st and 2nd only have hotel paid ? no flight paid ?
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im curious about this too
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No flight paid, just hotel paid
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For those wondering about boycott, its gone. You cannot "buy in" to the tournament any longer. For those saying the boycott was about prizemoney, it is not correct. Since eswc payed out in very short time last year.
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still only qxc signed up??.... I'll wait till monday...if then still only qxc is registered..I will register as wel and get a ESWC spot...
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can you afford a plane ticket to france though
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On September 20 2011 01:15 GTR wrote:
can you afford a plane ticket to france though
train/plane to france ain't that expensive.....But I rather see someone with at least a little bit of skill taking that spot 
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Trust me, he is not the only one signed up, we have about 15 people in que right now just waiting payment confirmation. Included in those 15 people is almost the entire EG team.
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On September 20 2011 03:17 iNcontroL wrote:
paid!
i thought EG was one of the teams boycotting? does this just mean if you qualify you'll have to pay for your own flight?
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understood. so now the only real hurdle is if 6 other people sign up and they put you against QXC in the first round 
Edit: missed the pharside post where he said almost all of EG had signed up. GL to all.
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Sign ups still open guys! Give it a shot!
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Will there be a stream available?
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How old is that photo of Idra on ESWC profile page? He looks like harry potter.
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Wow destiny just broke out of an interesting contain by incontrol, very nice play by destiny.
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Where can I see incontrol vs destiny?
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On September 25 2011 10:25 eloist wrote:
Where can I see incontrol vs destiny?
destiny stream
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Very nice canon play by incontrol, + abusing the ledges to take on the all-melee army of destiny. Should be a nice third game ^^.
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scout for the love of god!!
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omg so many EG in this tour. i hope its Demuslim + IdrA to rock it
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I seriously hate tournaments like these where they don't give us updates till we see replays. Anyone know the score between iNcontroL vs. Destiny or StrifeCro vs. Minigun?
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Incontrol vs Destiny
+ Show Spoiler +Destiny lost to Incontrol and ragequitted his stream over the protoss deathball
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On September 25 2011 10:52 GenoZStriker wrote:
I seriously hate tournaments like these where they don't give us updates till we see replays. Anyone know the score between iNcontroL vs. Destiny or StrifeCro vs. Minigun?
They update after the matches are done on the website. I'm also updating the liquipedia article as I can.
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On September 25 2011 10:52 GenoZStriker wrote:
I seriously hate tournaments like these where they don't give us updates till we see replays. Anyone know the score between iNcontroL vs. Destiny or StrifeCro vs. Minigun?
destiny/inc spoiler:
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strife/mini playing now
edit: 666 posts woOoOoOOo
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On September 25 2011 10:54 eloist wrote:Incontrol vs Destiny + Show Spoiler +Destiny lost to Incontrol and ragequitted his stream over the protoss deathball
Thanks. I really appreciate this.
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On September 25 2011 10:52 GenoZStriker wrote:
I seriously hate tournaments like these where they don't give us updates till we see replays. Anyone know the score between iNcontroL vs. Destiny or StrifeCro vs. Minigun?
+ Show Spoiler +inc just beat destiny. not sure what the score was. Dont know about mini and strife but its being broadcasted right now so we'll know soon.
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On September 25 2011 10:52 GenoZStriker wrote:
I seriously hate tournaments like these where they don't give us updates till we see replays. Anyone know the score between iNcontroL vs. Destiny or StrifeCro vs. Minigun?
What you mean, we update the score as soon as the matches finish. As soon as they were done, the score was inputted and the replays were uploaded.
Minigun and Strife are live right now, and no scores are published for obvious reason not spoil the live cast.
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The top 2 from the winner bracket as well as the Top 2 from the loser bracket will qualify and receive the qualifier prizes.
Here is the qualification prize breakdown:
1st & 2nd place:
- A slot in the ESWC Grand Finals 2011
- Paid hotel during the event
- Paid tournament fee
3rd & 4th place
- A slot in the ESWC Grand Finals 2011
- Paid tournament fee
This portion of the OP sounds a bit wrong, maybe an admin can clarify who gets the prizes?
I am wondering if they are doing this properly and not just giving 1 and 2 to the players in the winner's final and 3/4 to the last 2 players in the losers bracket.
Any loss would mean you cannot get 1st or second place, which would defeat the purpose of doing double elimination.
Skip the championship finals if you don't want to differentiate 1 and 2, but please do the rest of the tournament properly!
"Top 2 from the loser bracket" is kind of a nonsense.
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^ I know that beats the purpose of a double-elimination bracket but that's just how they are doing it.
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This qualifier is stacked! Whole eg house in this. I like!
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On September 25 2011 11:37 GenoZStriker wrote:
^ I know that beats the purpose of a double-elimination bracket but that's just how they are doing it.
Oh god. By doing that, I think they save themselves two matches - really disappointing.
It could be argued that the two best players in the bracket are IdrA and DeMusliM. Since they are on the same side of the bracket, only one of them can finish 1st or 2nd and get their hotel covered.
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no kiwikaki, tyler sheth etc..? seems like a eg, col only tournament or something.
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DeMusliM beats incontrol WHAAAAT?!
GAME CHANGER!
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Yeah some people missin. Dunno how this qualifier was announced. Pretty sure some more names would have shown up if they knew what you can win here. Still good playerpool tho.
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Haha half the guys in this thing are EG players. O_O
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On September 25 2011 11:50 Shaetan wrote:
what race is payson?
That's the player IdrA beat first round? Protoss, if so.
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On September 25 2011 11:51 walklightwhat wrote:That's the player IdrA beat first round? Protoss, if so.
yep. thanks!
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idra is macroed up. he cant be stopped.
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Nice macro minigun................
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Doesn't IdrA have pretty much the worst unit composition imaginable again what Minigun has?
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geegee minigun takes game 1.
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Classic IdrA rage no gg lol
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Yes minigun!! I love minigun as a player and I hope he can win another one
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I usually don't post in threads but these casters are sick good!!
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YEAHHHHHHHHH idra bm go idra!
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Lol Idra had the same exact attitude toward Huk until he joined EG. So stupid how Minigun consistently does well against Idra and he still thinks hes terrible.
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Agreed the main caster is actually really really good lol not sure about the one with the lower voice.
In other news I can't get over how good Minigun is against Idra lol. He was saying on stream today that he'd rather play Idra than master/gm zergs
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God what a poor-loser scrub... Can't stand Idra.
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Is this live or from replays?
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On September 25 2011 12:05 Mycl wrote:
Is this live or from replays?
reps yo, you can see the rep bar. ^^
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EGWC? Why are there practically no other players from good teams playing? :/
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On September 25 2011 12:05 Mycl wrote:
Is this live or from replays?
replays
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idra with his standard witless, douchey bm.
so hoping minigun beats him now.
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On September 25 2011 12:05 Mycl wrote:
Is this live or from replays?
Replays
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On September 25 2011 12:05 Xcobidoo wrote:
EGWC? Why are there practically no other players from good teams playing? :/
subliminal slip?
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IdrA's BM is usually better than this, disappointing. Hopefully his play in this game will be better than his chatter.
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On September 25 2011 12:06 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:05 Xcobidoo wrote:
EGWC? Why are there practically no other players from good teams playing? :/ subliminal slip?
Or you just seeing what you want to see.
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On September 25 2011 12:06 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:05 Xcobidoo wrote:
EGWC? Why are there practically no other players from good teams playing? :/ subliminal slip?
pretty sure it was intentional
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Ya son, I was just joking.
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I normally support IdrA (been a longtime fan since the BW days even) but this kinda crap gets old. He made a very risky decision to rush BLs without getting roaches to deal with Minigun's comp, he had to know that if Minigun pushed before he got Broods he was going to have to give up those bases, IdrA didn't even try to counter attack really.
IdrA cannot seriously believe that he played anything near well that game, if he believes that Minigun won cause he's Protoss then IdrA is wrong.
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if he believes that Minigun won cause he's Protoss then IdrA is wrong.
This quote can just be copy pasted every time Idra loses a game to toss methinks.
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On September 25 2011 12:11 nvs. wrote:This quote can just be copy pasted every time Idra loses a game to toss methinks.
no...no it can't.
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Why are they saying Crossfire is bad for Zerg? its fantastic for them.
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How many times has he said idra is a GREAT player
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Nice to see Idra with a muta switch
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Go Idra! Makes me happy to see him come back from that first game
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On September 25 2011 12:27 Mycl wrote:
Nice to see Idra with a muta switch
I really love muta switches in zvp. So hard to figure out when it's safe to do so, though.
Someone might want to tell IdrA he is supposes to lose. It ruins the ongoing narrative when he wins a bo3 after dropping a frustrating game 1, he's meant to tilt hard, y'know.
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WP IDRA
Mutas can be so tough to deal with
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idra imba 
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people need to shut up about crossfire being bad for zvp when it is statistically the best map and z is favored in the current metagame anyways
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Statistics don't mean anything... Look at the map itself!
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On September 25 2011 12:31 Caesarion wrote:
Crossfire ZvP stats: 48-29 (62.3%)
Worst Zerg Map.
Lol.
Yea in fact its much harder for toss imo, for the exact same reasons...taking a third as a toss is nigh impossible, and actually denying the zerg third is extremely risky because theres like infinity paths for you to get flanked on and the nature of the path to third involves the zerg seeing you coming most of the time.
And once the zerg connects creep to his third, good lord. Also oftentimes you kill the third but then youre trapped inside the third area
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On September 25 2011 12:32 pt wrote:Statistics don't mean anything... Look at the map itself!
Uh.
Yea. Look at the map
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On September 25 2011 12:33 sAfuRos wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 12:32 pt wrote:Statistics don't mean anything... Look at the map itself! Uh. Yea. Look at the map
yea what he said. you can skew statistics nerly anyway you want.
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is there a stream for this/? im missing out D:
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incontrol lost to a league of legends character?
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Idra vs demuslim is gonna be epic D:
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"I don't see an end in sight"
game ends two minutes later
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I can't find the brackets
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wow axslav pumping probes. learning from idra.
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Destiny v Machine Game 2, haha omg so sick.
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Game 1 between Trimaster and Axslav was quite good. Trimaster came back from quite a big supply deficit in early game and did quite well. Also, I am quite impressed by this casting pair.
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LMAO
TriMaster behind on supply all game but he has no workers so it's basically all army.
Hilarious game. Quite the slugfest.
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I cant beleive Axslav lost that game
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"Good to see Destiny doing well"
*update bracket*
Destiny lost 0-2 to Axslav. Caster curse.
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Idra v Demuslim. Obviously they're professional enough not to look at each others screens but its amusing to imagine incontrol is standing inbetween them bouncer-style so they can't screen-scout
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One failed contain makes demuslim look really bad :-/
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The German hope loses game one, hopefully he can come back
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If these commentators had similar mic volumes/quality, they would easily be one of the better casting duos. Really like them so far.
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On September 25 2011 13:52 SiguR wrote:
If these commentators had similar mic volumes/quality, they would easily be one of the better casting duos. Really like them so far.
Especially the Ayesee guy never heard of him but amazing casting voice.
Btw anyone got a link to the brackets?
Edit: Can't believe that GG really thought he was gonna crush the helion army with that Roach/Ling rush O_Ô
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Good to hear this is bo5 from the commentators. Hopefully this goes all the way to the 5th
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If IdrA doesn't scout that hidden third he's probably going to lose. >.>
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What is the score so far?
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MVP style =/
Force zerg to stay on 2 base with hellions while taking a third zerg can't punish even if they scout it
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Defended, but lost a ton of muta/banes just for cheap marines
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I would love to know the conversation those 2 had after that game.
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Pathetic not to GG vs a teammate
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If idra had scouted that hidden he'd have won. Demuslim had a full base worth of resources more than idra thought he did, but was still fairly close.
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These casters probably have a bright future, and nicely played by both players, I think hidden expo won it for Demu.
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On September 25 2011 14:17 trucane wrote:
Pathetic not to GG vs a teammate
Why should he?
he sits beside him, they can talk to each other
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Demuslim nearly mined out a completely undefended hidden 3rd on Tal'Darim due to IdrA not scouting it the whole time in game #3.
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On September 25 2011 14:17 trucane wrote:
Pathetic not to GG vs a teammate
Chance is pretty big they sit in a reach of 5m of each other. Perhaps he GG in real life.
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Idra need to learn from Stephano : Crackling >> Marine/Tank
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I really really like these casters!
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Can't believe he never spotted that hidden base and still put up a fight against marine tank med... needs to morph banelings a bit more carefully though always see Idra lose multiple banelings because he morphs them at the front of everything else.
edit game 4: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/8vn0B.jpg)
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On September 25 2011 14:18 michielbrands wrote:Chance is pretty big they sit in a reach of 5m of each other. Perhaps he GG in real life.
Even more than that, they play each other all the time. It's not like Demuslim would be offended by it. I doubt they are communicating in person during the series, but my guess is when Demuslim beats idra they will exchange a passing glance and idra will just shake his head and Demuslim will shrug. Then they will move on.
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On September 25 2011 14:17 Jonoman92 wrote:
Demuslim nearly mined out a completely undefended hidden 3rd on Tal'Darim due to IdrA not scouting it the whole time in game #3.
The sad thing is IdrA actually had zerlings patrolling 2 of the bases on the top-left and 2 of the bases on the top-right...
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LOL at the SCV rush - I don't really get it though.
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What the fuck did I just watch?
Did someone just go full retard?
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On September 25 2011 14:20 Thrax wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:17 Jonoman92 wrote:
Demuslim nearly mined out a completely undefended hidden 3rd on Tal'Darim due to IdrA not scouting it the whole time in game #3. The sad thing is IdrA actually had zerlings patrolling 2 of the bases on the top-left and 2 of the bases on the top-right...
They play so many games together maybe Idra was using outside information with knowing Demu likes to take ninja expos around those spots
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Wtf was that? Maybe he's tired? o.O
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hahaha. The honourable defeat so he can go to g5?
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lol wtf... Demuslim just scv rushing and not really trying to micro at all and gg'ing in under 2 minutes.
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lol that's retarded
he probably felt sorry for idra
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HAHA. Game 4 is a must see. Some kind of gentleman's agreement between them?
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My brother said it was staged last game, didn't believe him until just now. Jeez.
Guess this is what happens when team mates play.
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On September 25 2011 13:54 P3rytt wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 13:52 SiguR wrote:
If these commentators had similar mic volumes/quality, they would easily be one of the better casting duos. Really like them so far. Especially the Ayesee guy never heard of him but amazing casting voice.
Yeah, somehow he reminds me of CatsPajamas... But with more character.
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On September 25 2011 14:23 _Mittens wrote:
HAHA. Game 4 is a must see. Some kind of gentleman's agreement between them?
Im thinking they had an arm wrestle to decide the winner of game 4
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ben I love you but I never would have expected you to do that. Disappointed :/
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Well that just came across as pathetic.
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Pretty shitty for the integrity of the series to have Demuslim just throw one away.
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On September 25 2011 14:24 Mycl wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:23 _Mittens wrote:
HAHA. Game 4 is a must see. Some kind of gentleman's agreement between them? Im thinking they had an arm wrestle to decide the winner of game 4
That explains it. DeMu -is- a skinny little Brit. :D
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On September 25 2011 14:24 Elwar wrote:
Pretty shitty for the integrity of the series to have Demuslim just throw one away.
well, idra threw away game 2 anyway, so, they are even
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I still don't get why he gifted that game to IdrA.
A proxy 2 rax would have at least had more chance of success. Probably some weird ass agreement.
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This is the no supply depot map?
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Good thing he won the final game after throwing away that last ga... oh.
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lol that was a weird last 2 games :o.
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On September 25 2011 14:23 ThaZenith wrote:
My brother said it was staged last game, didn't believe him until just now. Jeez.
Guess this is what happens when team mates play.
Staged.
Lame.
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Ugh. What's going on Ben? Did he think it was a BO3 and just didn't care after that?
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ok so demuslim just LET idra go through.
lost all the respect i had for him and eg as a whole
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WHAT? Did Demuslim lose on purpose or have a mouse malmunction? His bunker was up but he ran the other way, lost all his marines, and gg'd.
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what the
he danced his marines btw
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I think this was staged. No way this is Legit lol
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Maybe demuslim is confident he can beat whoever he faces in the lower bracket and idra wasnt as sure.
Perhaps they are working together to avoid matchups they feel are imbalanced.
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Better start hitting the gym Demu You have to avenge your arm wrestling loss
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That looked super sketchy.
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idra gave demuslim his gg timing
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That was one of the worst throw-away series I've seen from a player.
I don't even know how that happens any other way than intentionally. The last game, maybe he fucked up and got flustered. But after gifting IdrA a game, that was so fucking dumb.
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WTF?! What a series... Oh well. Go QXC!
Totally shook that nerd's hand at Anaheim.
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On September 25 2011 14:28 Sif_ wrote:
ok so demuslim just LET idra go through.
lost all the respect i had for him and eg as a whole
No, you lose all respect for yourself by making such a bold statement.
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On September 25 2011 14:28 ThaZenith wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:23 ThaZenith wrote:
My brother said it was staged last game, didn't believe him until just now. Jeez.
Guess this is what happens when team mates play. Staged. Lame.
How does your brother know?
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Thanks for making me stay up for this. Total lack of respect for the viewers throwing games like this. Then again I doubt much people have any respect for EG either way so I guess it doesn't matter in the end
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This series was a fucking joke, pretty much outplay idra the first three and throw away the two last on purpose. I've been following ben since he owned beta up but that right there was just shitting on the tournament/the followers.
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Well, that was sad to watch.I don't really care about the reasons, but a bo5 between these guys with 3 shitty games is disappointing from a spectator's point of view.
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The only thing I can think of is that Demuslim doesn't realize what the format is, since the top 4 all go regardless... maybe he figures he's already in the top four and doesn't realize he still has to play in loser's bracket now?
Either way... looks staged, and that's lame. I really hope SotG or something comments :/.
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The things is he messed up "gifting" it if that's really what was going on. He was in a good position and pretty much had to make the obvious "error" in order to not be in an advantageous spot.
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On September 25 2011 14:29 vilg wrote:
This series was a fucking joke, pretty much outplay idra the first three and throw away the two last on purpose. I've been following ben since he owned beta up but that right there was just shitting on the tournament/the followers.
Did you watch the first and third game? I think you're confused who outplayed who...
The last game seemed a bit sketchy though...idra went a safe 14hatch14pool like he knew a rush was about to come.
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I don't know, I can sort of see IdrA not wanting face Minigun again since that's always risky and Minigun generally seems to have his number. DeMuslim seems pretty confident in his TvP so perhaps they planned for DeMuslim to drop down and take out Minigun.
Aside from that, I absolutely can not imagine someone fucking up 2 games in a series that badly.
Edit: Scratch the above, loser didn't even have to face Minigun, has to face Axslav. This makes even less sense considering that the drop down faces another teammate.
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This was rather disappointing...
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On September 25 2011 14:30 Jonoman92 wrote:
The things is. He messed up "gifting" it if that's really what was going on. He was in a good position and pretty much had to make the obvious "error" in order to not be in an advantageous spot.
Yeah good thing he made that error or we would all be fooled. The SCV rush the game before was so legit
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Maybe IdrA wasn't feeling confident playing against Minigun in LB but DeMusliM was. Top 4 gets the slots.
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Oh man, that was hilarious. Far more entertaining then the possible macro games they may have produced!
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On September 25 2011 14:31 kurrysauce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:29 vilg wrote:
This series was a fucking joke, pretty much outplay idra the first three and throw away the two last on purpose. I've been following ben since he owned beta up but that right there was just shitting on the tournament/the followers. Did you watch the first and third game? I think you're confused who outplayed who... The last game seemed a bit sketchy though...idra went a safe 14hatch14pool like he knew a rush was about to come.
I'm pretty sure I saw someone go up 2-1 in a series and then donate his opponent the entire set.
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DeMu obviously gave it to him, there isn't any question about that. I'm just wondering about the motives behind it. We'll find out eventually I suppose.
Kind've a joke if you ask me.
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that was no error, he had the bunker done and walked his marines AWAY from the bunker
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Regardless of any team politics at work, the fact is the viewers and fans were the losers in that matchup. Welp.
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how did Trimaster get the 1 seed?
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yeah, 1st place is safe. Just seems like demuslin is more confident to fight trimaster/qxc than idra is.
Next time, just write GG 2sec into the game, o need to waste our time.
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Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach ESWC aswell the thats a yes!
This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history
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Actually this may be a smart thing they did. Demuslims TvP is amazing. he wont lose in the lower bracket while idrA is not confident in his ZvP. And EG wants as many players in the ESWC.
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On September 25 2011 14:34 Teejing wrote:
yeah, 1st place is safe. Just seems like demuslin is more confident to fight trimaster/qxc than idra is.
Next time, just write GG 2sec into the game, o need to waste our time.
Ye if you're going to throw the games, either do it good or just forfeit, that was just pathetic.
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On September 25 2011 14:32 Mordiford wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:31 kurrysauce wrote:On September 25 2011 14:29 vilg wrote:
This series was a fucking joke, pretty much outplay idra the first three and throw away the two last on purpose. I've been following ben since he owned beta up but that right there was just shitting on the tournament/the followers. Did you watch the first and third game? I think you're confused who outplayed who... The last game seemed a bit sketchy though...idra went a safe 14hatch14pool like he knew a rush was about to come. I'm pretty sure I saw someone go up 2-1 in a series and then donate his opponent the entire set.
Yeah , if you are ahead of a zerg economically and you throw your army away multiple times before eventually breaking the zerg , you basically outplayed the zerg.
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On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach ESWC aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history
Agreed. But we can't really justify it. Although we can't really prove it either........
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On September 25 2011 14:35 trikshun wrote:
Actually this may be a smart thing they did. Demuslims TvP is amazing. he wont lose in the lower bracket while idrA is not confident in his ZvP. And EG wants as many players in the ESWC.
Except Demuslim just got knocked down into Aslav, who is going to get knocked out
Either way a EG member is out
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I think those games were obviously rigged but for the reasons I think that idra doesn't want to go down to the losers bracket to possibly face minigun again and possibly losing
so instead they send demuslim down to take out minigun and most likely if idra can get through qxc we'll probably have a idra vs demuslim final.
but an idra vs demuslim final seems way less exciting now after that last fixed match.... could care less about the tourny now and that sucks >_>
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It would be nice if someone from EG commented on the games. Until then, I'm not going to shit on EG and/or its players. I prefer not speculating.
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On September 25 2011 14:36 Latto wrote:
I think those games were obviously rigged but for the reasons I think that idra doesn't want to go down to the losers bracket to possibly face minigun again and possibly losing
so instead they send demuslim down to take out minigun and most likely if idra can get through qxc we'll probably have a idra vs demuslim final.
but an idra vs demuslim final seems way less exciting now after that last fixed match.... could care less about the tourny now and that sucks >_>
I think if Demuslim beats Minigun he is cleared for ESWC. Top2 gets hotels payed + Invite. and top 4 gets a invitation
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On September 25 2011 14:39 trikshun wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:36 Latto wrote:
I think those games were obviously rigged but for the reasons I think that idra doesn't want to go down to the losers bracket to possibly face minigun again and possibly losing
so instead they send demuslim down to take out minigun and most likely if idra can get through qxc we'll probably have a idra vs demuslim final.
but an idra vs demuslim final seems way less exciting now after that last fixed match.... could care less about the tourny now and that sucks >_> I think if Demuslim beats Minigun he is cleared for ESWC. Top2 gets hotels payed + Invite. and top 4 gets a invitation
Doesn't have to beat minigun
If he beats Axlav, idra and demuslim are in top 4
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Guys, Demuslim realized in at game 4, that the dates of the tournament were not possible for him to attend. He plans to forfeit against Axslav.
He finished out the series in a rather poor way, but finishing out the series was best so at least some games were displayed rather than a full forfeit.
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On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach ESWC aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history
Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right?
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On September 25 2011 14:40 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Guys, Demuslim realized in at game 4, that the dates of the tournament were not possible for him to attend. He plans to forfeit against Axslav.
He finished out the series in a rather poor way, but finishing out the series was best so at least some games were displayed rather than a full forfeit.
That's a shame - makes sense though. Thanks for the explanation.
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On September 25 2011 14:40 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Guys, Demuslim realized in at game 4, that the dates of the tournament were not possible for him to attend. He plans to forfeit against Axslav.
He finished out the series in a rather poor way, but finishing out the series was best so at least some games were displayed rather than a full forfeit.
still the way they did it is a frickin joke.
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coL will get atleast 1 player (possible 2) & EG already knows they get 2 players ESWC.
This makes it pretty sure there is no FIXing going on here, why would you fix against your own teammate (axslav) there's no sense in that, I am afraid DeMusliM just screwed up =)
Because this no favour the team in any way.
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Pharside, why can't demuslim attend, what does he have on his schedule that idra doesn't?
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The last time I saw stuff like that was in a fighting game tournament both of the guys got banned.
Kinda disappointing...
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If they did actually throw those games, which is actually certain with the scv rush, I'd throw them out of the event entirely.
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On September 25 2011 14:40 pHaRSiDE wrote:
Guys, Demuslim realized in at game 4, that the dates of the tournament were not possible for him to attend. He plans to forfeit against Axslav.
He finished out the series in a rather poor way, but finishing out the series was best so at least some games were displayed rather than a full forfeit.
I smell a cover up.
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On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right?
This is not true at all, It happens all the time, when in a poule two teams play eachother and both got enough with a draw. They will still act like it's a real match but everyone knows it will be a draw in the end.
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On September 25 2011 14:43 michielbrands wrote:
coL will get atleast 1 player (possible 2) & EG already knows they get 2 players ESWC.
This makes it pretty sure there is no FIXing going on here, why would you fix against your own teammate (axslav) there's no sense in that, I am afraid DeMusliM just screwed up =)
Because this no favour the team in any way.
read pharsides post
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That makes sense. It was a bit too obvious that he threw the games, its just a matter of why he did it. Thanks for the clear up.
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On September 25 2011 14:45 Shaetan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:43 michielbrands wrote:
coL will get atleast 1 player (possible 2) & EG already knows they get 2 players .
This makes it pretty sure there is no FIXing going on here, why would you fix against your own teammate (axslav) there's no sense in that, I am afraid DeMusliM just screwed up =)
Because this no favour the team in any way. read pharsides post
Red pharsides post but thaught it was a joke, didn't saw his function
Lol how can you possible be thinking about dates during a game . Would be really disappointing though. Because DeMusliM really is in topshape and so one of the players everyone wants to see on the ESWC
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On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach ESWC aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right?
^This. We can't pretend to call this a "sport" when you hallow this kind of behaviour.
I'm sure DeMuslim knew about the dates before starting his bracket but still he decide to beat his "non EG" opponents and forfeit vs his teammates.
This braket is basically fake.
Edit: I'm from Italy so I know what's a staged sport match and the repercussion that this usually has -.-''
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On September 25 2011 14:47 michielbrands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:45 Shaetan wrote:On September 25 2011 14:43 michielbrands wrote:
coL will get atleast 1 player (possible 2) & EG already knows they get 2 players .
This makes it pretty sure there is no FIXing going on here, why would you fix against your own teammate (axslav) there's no sense in that, I am afraid DeMusliM just screwed up =)
Because this no favour the team in any way. read pharsides post Lol how can you possible be thinking about ESWC dates during a game . Would be really disappointing though. Because DeMusliM really is in topshape and so one of the players everyone wants to see on the ESWC
It happens. IdrA and Sheth played the IESF qualifiers not knowing it conflicted with IPL3. Finished top2 to then drop out.
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On September 25 2011 14:47 michielbrands wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:45 Shaetan wrote:On September 25 2011 14:43 michielbrands wrote:
coL will get atleast 1 player (possible 2) & EG already knows they get 2 players .
This makes it pretty sure there is no FIXing going on here, why would you fix against your own teammate (axslav) there's no sense in that, I am afraid DeMusliM just screwed up =)
Because this no favour the team in any way. read pharsides post Lol how can you possible be thinking about ESWC dates during a game . Would be really disappointing though. Because DeMusliM really is in topshape and so one of the players everyone wants to see on the ESWC
If you look at idra's match history (http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/693604/1/EGIdrA/matches), there was a long duration between games 3 and 4
IdrA was able to play 2 ladder games before those 2 games.
They probably talked and looked at dates and shit.
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Why would you realize in the middle of a series about the dates? You'd obviously just check in advance... The suggestion about eg strategy to have demuslim take out minigun made sense... until it turns out he plays axlav. Best explanation still seems to be they thought he would drop down to minigun and decided to have demuslim lose. If so, and if idra was in on this, I'll have to renounce my utter devotion to him
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you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot.
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On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach ESWC aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right?
Seen team drivers in F1 let their teammates pass etc multiple times with no repercussions. Same in a lot of sports with a notion of teams but only one winner per event. I don't know, it's controversial, but it needs to be clearly stated in a tournament's rules that you can be disqualified for throwing games. Which is pretty tough to enforce.
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On September 25 2011 14:50 pHaRSiDE wrote:
you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot.
wtf you just changed your story
you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3"
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On September 25 2011 14:49 Capook wrote:Why would you realize in the middle of a series about the dates? You'd obviously just check in advance... The suggestion about eg strategy to have demuslim take out minigun made sense... until it turns out he plays axlav. Best explanation still seems to be they thought he would drop down to minigun and decided to have demuslim lose. If so, and if idra was in on this, I'll have to renounce my utter devotion to him
Don't be so dramatic. They aren't rigging the tournament to make money off betting, they're simply deciding as a team what is best. I don't see what is ethically questionable about this decision making. We don't need another drama thread on r/starcraft
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On September 25 2011 14:36 kurrysauce wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:32 Mordiford wrote:On September 25 2011 14:31 kurrysauce wrote:On September 25 2011 14:29 vilg wrote:
This series was a fucking joke, pretty much outplay idra the first three and throw away the two last on purpose. I've been following ben since he owned beta up but that right there was just shitting on the tournament/the followers. Did you watch the first and third game? I think you're confused who outplayed who... The last game seemed a bit sketchy though...idra went a safe 14hatch14pool like he knew a rush was about to come. I'm pretty sure I saw someone go up 2-1 in a series and then donate his opponent the entire set. Yeah , if you are ahead of a zerg economically and you throw your army away multiple times before eventually breaking the zerg , you basically outplayed the zerg.
Having one hidden base doesn't really mean you "outplayed". You got lucky not having it scouted.
The fact he didn't insta-win with a full extra base worth of resources says something.
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On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:50 pHaRSiDE wrote:
you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot. wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3"
Lol. This is funny...
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On September 25 2011 14:36 Latto wrote:
I think those games were obviously rigged but for the reasons I think that idra doesn't want to go down to the losers bracket to possibly face minigun again and possibly losing
so instead they send demuslim down to take out minigun and most likely if idra can get through qxc we'll probably have a idra vs demuslim final.
This actually sounds reasonable. But should be careful with accusations i guess.
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On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:50 pHaRSiDE wrote:
you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot. wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3"
Erm... You know those aren't mutually exclusive right? If I find out it's a best of 5, I don't throw away the next 2 games to make a statement.
He could have thought he won, found out shit conflicts with his schedule, then threw the next 2 games.
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its hilarious how people love drama and conspiracies and leap at them any chance they get.
Guess what? people throw games to get a better advantage all the time, it is up to the TOURNAMENT to structure it so that it doesn't end up in the players hands knowing if they want to win or lose for better seeding.
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On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:50 pHaRSiDE wrote:
you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot. wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3"
He thought it was a bo3 and thats why he played for real and won 2:1, he then realized it was bo5 and thats when he asked about date. Thats why he threw game 4 and 5. Look at screen shot.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Ik3Us.jpg)
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On September 25 2011 14:50 Harrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote:On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right? Seen team drivers in F1 let their teammates pass etc multiple times with no repercussions. Same in a lot of sports with a notion of teams but only one winner per event. I don't know, it's controversial, but it needs to be clearly stated in a tournament's rules that you can be disqualified for throwing games. Which is pretty tough to enforce.
As long as you don't bet on it or disadvantage others with it. I dont really see the problem in fixing games. For the guy in the final/their lowerbracket opponent, it shouldnt matter which of the 2 they play. It would be ratter different if this was poule games and IdrA needed a win to advance over someone else. And this way only IdrA & DeMusliM advanced and a 3rd got screwed over. But this way nobody gets hurts... except perhaps the spectators. But on the other hand...spectators got screwed over aswel when IdrA shouldn't attend ESWC.
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The things people are saying in this thread right now are absolutely unbelievable.
A tournament admin comes out and explains the situation very clearly, and yet people are still carrying on and throwing around conspiracy theories?
If ESWC/ESL is satisfied with the situation, then you all should be as well.
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On September 25 2011 14:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:50 pHaRSiDE wrote:
you guys and your conspiracy theories. Demuslim was up 2:1, he had actually thought he won, because he didn't realize it was a best of 5. I will upload screenshot. wtf you just changed your story you went from "he left because of conflicting dates" to "he thought it was a best of 3"
Thats not what he meant. He means that demuslim had no reason to throw it because he thought he actually won the series. It was probably during that break that you mentioned when he realized that not only was it a Bo5 but he also had conflicting dates.
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screen shot is posted guys, so give the conspiracies a rest lol
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On September 25 2011 14:56 pHaRSiDE wrote:
screen shot is posted guys, so give the conspiracies a rest lol
But.. We need the drama ='(
I'm still disappointed but if for you guys it's ok... It's ok.
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On September 25 2011 14:53 taLbuk wrote:
its hilarious how people love drama and conspiracies and leap at them any chance they get.
Guess what? people throw games to get a better advantage all the time, it is up to the TOURNAMENT to structure it so that it doesn't end up in the players hands knowing if they want to win or lose for better seeding.
I think it's acceptable to lose on purpose if it benefits you. For example, in a group stage where top 2 go through, if you know that you'd play a weaker opponent by coming in second place, you could throw a game. (Of course, for this reason any real tournament will make sure deciding games are played simultaneously.) But it's very different to lose on purpose to benefit a friend (or hurt an enemy). That's really bad form and will lose you the respect of fans.
But let's be clear--as others have--that our respect is all that is at stake here. These guys didn't fix any matches to make money or do anything terrible like that.
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players really should check the dates of the main events which they try to qualify for, instead of playing and shitting on the viewers half way in
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On September 25 2011 15:01 vilg wrote:
players really should check the dates of the main events which they try to qualify for, instead of playing and shitting on the viewers half way in
But....Why would IdrA be able then? they both go Korea or am I mistaken?
Whoops wrong quote :S
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Why can Idra attend then apparently?
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Knocking people out to then forfeit is skewing results.
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No you are correct, hence why I edited my post. Only speculation but maybe they dont want to pay to fly demuslim from kr to eswc, but they would with idra since he does give more exposure even if hes worse atm
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On September 25 2011 14:56 pHaRSiDE wrote:
screen shot is posted guys, so give the conspiracies a rest lol
wow.. okay.. bizarre..
I guess demuslim plays in a qualifier without checking the dates of the tourney... pretty weird. Glad it wasn't premediated, then.
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I am an aspiring DeMusliM fan, so my disappointment comes from hoping for his best. His stream is very enjoyable due to his constant commentary. I also enjoy watching Minigun. Thank you ItsGosu for the incredibly entertaining casting.
P.S.: The balance between business and humor is being executed beautifully. Wonderful personalities are casting. Keep up the good work.
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On September 25 2011 15:04 vilg wrote:
No you are correct, hence why I edited my post. Only speculation but maybe they dont want to pay to fly demuslim from kr to eswc, but they would with idra since he does give more exposure even if hes worse atm
edit - nvm, tourney fee isn't plane tickets xD
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On September 25 2011 15:04 vilg wrote:
No you are correct, hence why I edited my post. Only speculation but maybe they dont want to pay to fly demuslim from kr to eswc, but they would with idra since he does give more exposure even if hes worse atm
That doesnt make sense either, cause Axslav still qualifies, and Demuslim would easily trump ax in terms of exposure and popularity.
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It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney.
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If you can't attend the finals, then why play in the qualifiers? Who is managing EG's players because this is not professional at all. Is it because ESWC is a joke and EG was originally planning on boycotting the event?
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Good thing the only notable person he knocked down to the loser's bracket was egincontrol, imagine the outcry if it was Destiny or minigun..
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Ya I am wondering why go to the qualifier if you know you can't go to the event.... so confused.
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On September 25 2011 14:40 Elwar wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 14:35 michielbrands wrote:Sorry guys but I think it's rather professional IF this is a set up, if they think DeMusliM got a better chance in the lower bracket then IdrA they should let him play lower bracket, EG should ALLWAYS do whats best for the team if thats IdrA now being definitly qualified for , and DeMusliM still got a pretty decent chance to reach ESWC aswell the thats a yes! This is the qualifier only thing important is the amount of players they get on the event itself. Of course this is not the best for the spectators....But lets be honest....its even worse a top tournament like ESWC without IdrA cause IdrA is just a MUST HAVE for any tournament because of his attitude and all the history Lol. People pretend SC2 is a professional sport. In a real sport you'd have suspensions if not bans for that behaviour. In SC2 its ok because its 'just' a qualifier, and also because its better for one of the most popular community players. No need to get into the tournament based on skill, right?
you should only talk about things that you are remotely familiar with. teams throw games all the time in real sports. it is most commonly seen in the nba to snipe a particular playoff seed, but it has been seen in the nfl, nhl, and nba as well. teams bench all their starters and play their backups and get beat easily. and its perfectly accepted. in individual games/sports that competitors have teammates, stuff like this has been going on FOREVER. throwing matches for money is one thing, but throwing a match that means nothing for seeding reasons to benefit a teammate should not be treated as some crime. stop acting so entitled, as if players exist only to entertain you and as if some non-elimination match of a QUALIFIER of a 3rd-rate tourney is the fucking super bowl of starcraft.
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On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney.
Lol, Demuslim cant play in the finals so he let idra win. Where does this need a statement with signing...
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On September 25 2011 15:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney. Lol, Demuslim cant play in the finals so he let idra win. Where does this need a statement with signing...
Well how about starting with why play the qualifier if you can't play the finals.
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On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney.
Lol theres an overeaction if i ever saw one... release an official statement? Its a sucky mistake but it happens. People withdraw from events all the time. IMMVP did inthat chinese tournament that MC eventually won, Sheth and IdrA did it for the iesf tournament, look at the pro-am (not sure if this is the rigthw name) is filled with a ridiciulous amout of no shows. Just the nature of sc2 right now, theres so many tournaments going on its tough to keep track of everything.
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On September 25 2011 15:18 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 15:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney. Lol, Demuslim cant play in the finals so he let idra win. Where does this need a statement with signing... Well how about starting with why play the qualifier if you can't play the finals.
one reason would be to get in a situation where he could gift idra the finals. another would be to get competitive experience. a third would be because he was bored and nothing was stopping him.
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On September 25 2011 15:18 nvs. wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 15:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote:On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney. Lol, Demuslim cant play in the finals so he let idra win. Where does this need a statement with signing... Well how about starting with why play the qualifier if you can't play the finals.
He didnt know obviously. Seriously you want a signed statement for that...?
People withdraw from events and qualifications all the time.
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On September 25 2011 15:16 AntiGrav1ty wrote:Show nested quote +On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney. Lol, Demuslim cant play in the finals so he let idra win. Where does this need a statement with signing...
Indeed there's nothing favourable for EG in this...even worse... DeMusliM even kick teammate iNcontrol to the loser bracket. You want them to make a statement that they screwed themself? He also won against mass...But lets be honest I don't think that favours EG to much (not to offend mass in any way, but I just think all of the EG players are a bit stronger)
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Game 4? Did I miss a game, isn't it 2-0?
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That thor saved the day. Trimaster is pretty damn good. QXC did so much damage early and he brought it back from being so far behind. His MLG performance is no fluke.
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On September 25 2011 15:26 Angelbelow wrote:
That thor saved the day. Trimaster is pretty damn good. QXC did so much damage early and he brought it back from being so far behind. His MLG performance is no fluke.
Oh crap, forgot it was a bo5, we'll have to see if trimaster can close out the series.
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The question is what position would Idra have been in if DeMusliM won his Bo5, progressed through to qualify, then didn't accept the invitation? From the screenshot it appears reasonably clear that DeMusliM would have played the games properly if he was allowed to give his qualifying spot to another EG person.
Is this a possible outcome (if I'm reading the tournament format correctly, http://www.nationalesl.com/us/eswc/sc2/sc2_qualification/rankings/) assuming that DeMuslim didn't throw/forfeit any games?
Hypothetically:
Winners Round 3:
DeMusliM beats Idra
QxC beats Tri
Winners Round 4:
DeMuslim beats QxC
Losers Round 4:
Axlav beats Idra
Minigun beats Tri
Losers Round 5:
Axlav beats Minigun
Losers Round 6:
Axlav beats QxC
Winners Round 5:
DeMuslim beats AxLav
Final positions:
1:Demuslim
2:Axlav
3:QxC
4:Minigun
5:Equal between Idra/Tri
If that is correct, then DeMuslim throwing the games vs Idra has at least potentially cost someone a qualifying spot. (Tri in my example, but could also be Minigun or QxC depending on how the games go).
Again, the assumptions here are that:
the 5th placed person would get the spot DeMuslim refused
5th place would be a playoff between the players eliminated in losers round 4, and
Idra wouldn't have beaten Axlav in Losers Round 4.
If idra lost WR3 then won LR4, Axlav becomes the one that would have been playing off for 5th and the vacant spot.
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On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney.
Troll or serious? Only Monty Python can achieve such ridiculousness.
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Shame that destiny was basically 1 round away from getting a slot to Paris.
but in bigger news ... There is a possibility that we could possibly see minigun at a LAN event ... !!!!
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TriMaster is really really slow to take bases.
That's pretty much the major issue in his play I'm seeing so far.
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Downloaded an Axslav replay, opened APM tap, Still had 90 APM.
Not slow, efficient
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Thanks for the info, pharside. It's still unfortunate, but at least it now makes sense.
If demuslim couldn't attend anyway, why not play goofy games to let Idra get the spot? Sounds reasonable to me.
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I don't think there's anything wrong with two teammates deciding who they want to advance without actually playing the games (especially when there is strategy involved like pool play/double elim tours). While not everyone shares this belief, I think it should be embraced since of course it's impossible to know if teammates arrange who will win if they put any effort into it.
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On September 25 2011 16:25 Splynn wrote:
Thanks for the info, pharside. It's still unfortunate, but at least it now makes sense.
If demuslim couldn't attend anyway, why not play goofy games to let Idra get the spot? Sounds reasonable to me.
It wasn't really goofy in the way that you rush BC, it was goofy in the way that he played standard, but /danced in the fight, instead of micro and actually try. There is a difference.
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Can't believe people are still whining about how demuslim threw away the games. He already stated he realized he had conflicts with the tournament date after 3rd game with idra which he thought the series was a bo3 instead of bo5.
In other news , has qxc guaranteed a spot for eswc yet?
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I have to agree, these casters are better than I've heard in a while, great job.
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Ok I'm not sure if the casters are just delirious or insane or whats going on...
They're saying qxc and idra automatically are top 2, where axslav and the winner of trimaster/minigun will be 3rd and 4th place.
If the bracket plays out and Axslav beats the other guy, then in theory he should face the loser of qxc/idra for 2nd place. There are still like, hotel spots on the line and what not, you can't say that the two guys in winners bracket now are auto top 2 just like that. They should just have the games played out and not cast it, but the tournament doesn't end here. Top 4 is decided here but the order isn't decided on who gets top 2 and 3rd/4th.
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The brackets do not play out. It is complete. Its not an ordinary double elimination bracket. It stop when top 2 winners have been reached and top 2 losers. Think of the loser bracket as a separate tournament rather than an extension of winners bracket.
congrats to all qualified players. check main post to see who qualified and how to see the replays!
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So, is Minigun actually going to an offline event?
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On September 25 2011 15:08 Capook wrote:
It would be a good idea for EG to post an official statement on this, signed by all the parties involved. Just to make sure it was in fact just amazing incompetence and not some plan to skew the results. Of course, if it was a plan they should explain the plan and justify it ethically.
Just my two cents. That's needed to keep this EG fan, anyway. Off to bed gl EG in the rest of the tourney.
No it would not because at the end of the line it is just that: Incompetence or foul play.
The best is just to be quiet, let the naive kids play the conspiracy-card and wait for it to be forgotten about.
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The finals will be casted tonight?
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vod coming on its gosu twitch? they are not there yet.
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On September 25 2011 17:39 pHaRSiDE wrote:
The brackets do not play out. It is complete. Its not an ordinary double elimination bracket. It stop when top 2 winners have been reached and top 2 losers. Think of the loser bracket as a separate tournament rather than an extension of winners bracket.
congrats to all qualified players. check main post to see who qualified and how to see the replays!
I was wondering why I couldn't find the rest of the matches. Thanks for clearing that up. But, I can't wrap my head around why you would choose to have a bracket which is double elim and stop 3 matches short of logical completion and call this the way it was intended. If no seed/money, then ok, but they were playing for money(hotel accomodations).
Unfortunate.
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On September 25 2011 14:55 Laxx wrote:
The things people are saying in this thread right now are absolutely unbelievable.
A tournament admin comes out and explains the situation very clearly, and yet people are still carrying on and throwing around conspiracy theories?
If ESWC/ESL is satisfied with the situation, then you all should be as well.
Hate EG. All the cool kids are doing it.
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There isn't a thread for the european qualifiers??
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