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Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
September 14 2011 01:19 GMT
#401
"To the haterz" - Major
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Risen
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States7927 Posts
September 14 2011 01:19 GMT
#402
On September 14 2011 10:15 slicknav wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:12 Risen wrote:
On September 14 2011 10:08 tuho12345 wrote:
Slush seemed drone up too hard in that game. How come he didn't have anything to response at all. And then x2 expand after that w/o scouting to see if Tyler expand or come back at all. Blind attack in the natural while expanding and behind was really bad.


He HAD to go in there and do damage or he was just straight up losing. Was good of Tyler to back off after that snipe.

Slush needed to scout earlier and he would have held those early zeals just fine (and therefor the ensuing hatch snipe)

On September 14 2011 10:09 LovE-z33k wrote:
major is back on sixjax? I missed that memo I guess..


These games are good!


Was probably recorded prior to his release.


They mentioned he was a former member of sixjax, but the picture/info they used for him stated that his team was sixjax.


No, they mentioned he used to be on the Korean clan Gosi, which explains his tag in game. Try again.
Pufftrees Everyday>its like a rifter that just used X-Factor/Liquid'Nony: I hope no one lip read XD/Holyflare>it's like policy lynching but better/Resident Los Angeles bachelor
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
September 14 2011 01:21 GMT
#403
I guess this is why Korean Protosses don't do Colossus openings anymore.

On September 14 2011 10:17 Ladnil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote:
Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.

To be fair, every opening is scary against 1/1/1.


I guess, but there are other Terran openings which are much better against 1 Gate FE, like 2 rax for instance.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 14 2011 01:23 GMT
#404
It is pretty annoying to constantly hear english commentators say that builds that are reactions to 1/1/1 are risky against the 1/1/1 :/.
HansK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
249 Posts
September 14 2011 01:24 GMT
#405
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote:
Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.


It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted.
GreyKnight
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4720 Posts
September 14 2011 01:25 GMT
#406
On September 14 2011 10:23 Maghetti wrote:
It is pretty annoying to constantly hear english commentators say that builds that are reactions to 1/1/1 are risky against the 1/1/1 :/.


yes, nobody seems to really understand not even artosis. it made me sad when he said you have to 1 base vs a standard 1-1-1...
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 14 2011 01:30 GMT
#407
On September 14 2011 10:24 HansK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote:
Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.


It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted.

Nonsense. It is well established that the only way to get enough units to hold is a 2 base economy with a paid off 2nd nexus. The sooner you get the nexus the faster it pays off. 1/1/1 is not a reaction to greedy play, greedy play is a reaction to the 1/1/1. Please stop spreading this crap.
Toadvine
Profile Joined November 2010
Poland2234 Posts
September 14 2011 01:30 GMT
#408
On September 14 2011 10:24 HansK wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote:
Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.


It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted.


And what will you do after you scout the 1/1/1? If you throw down the expo, then you'll end up at the same place as a 1 Gate FE, but with a worse economy. If you 1 base, you'll maybe beat a bad player who just blindly all-ins, but lose horribly to someone who can transition out of it.

Besides, I think you'd find a good amount of people willing to take your money if anyone believed you were serious.
"There are always some Eskimos ready to instruct the Congolese on how to cope with heat waves." - S.J.Lec
Cel.erity
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4890 Posts
September 14 2011 01:30 GMT
#409
Hahaha "MORTAL KOMBAT!"
We found Dove in a soapless place.
rolfe
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom1266 Posts
September 14 2011 01:31 GMT
#410
major is starting to look seriously scary good now!
life will not be contained. Life breaks free, it expands to new territories and crashes through barriers, painfully, maybe even dangerously but there it is. Life finds a way
TheChostoProject
Profile Joined May 2010
Mexico96 Posts
September 14 2011 01:31 GMT
#411
Fuck yea, major showing how its done.
www.soundclick.com/thechostoproject
Alpino
Profile Joined June 2011
Brazil4390 Posts
September 14 2011 01:32 GMT
#412
Scary TvP is scary.
20/11/2015 - never forget EE's Ember
Dingobloo
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Australia1903 Posts
September 14 2011 01:32 GMT
#413
That was frightening, I might have to rewatch that one, I feel like kiwi's fast colossus build killed him, just really not enough units.
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
September 14 2011 01:33 GMT
#414
Idra v Sheth and Tyler v Major next round. A couple of interesting matchups.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
September 14 2011 01:34 GMT
#415
On September 14 2011 10:30 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:24 HansK wrote:
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote:
Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.


It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted.


And what will you do after you scout the 1/1/1? If you throw down the expo, then you'll end up at the same place as a 1 Gate FE, but with a worse economy. If you 1 base, you'll maybe beat a bad player who just blindly all-ins, but lose horribly to someone who can transition out of it.

Besides, I think you'd find a good amount of people willing to take your money if anyone believed you were serious.

Exactly. Because you need 2 bases paid off to have enough units, the sooner you have an expand the better. If you 1base it, they contain and expand themselves. So you "hold" it...maybe but lose because you didn't get a 2nd base. You have to have a 2nd base paid off or you lose.
-Strider-
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Mexico1605 Posts
September 14 2011 01:35 GMT
#416
On September 14 2011 10:33 Spicy Pepper wrote:
Idra v Sheth and Tyler v Major next round. A couple of interesting matchups.

First one can go either way, the other match up is Major favored.
What is up? IM NESTEAAAA!
Rarak
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia631 Posts
September 14 2011 01:36 GMT
#417
It was so obvious looking at the bracket who would win the first 3 matches. No suprises there...
Crowned
Profile Joined August 2011
United States368 Posts
September 14 2011 01:37 GMT
#418
Idra 2 : Destiny 0
Sheth 2 : incontrol 0
Tyler 2 : Slush 1
Major 2 : Kiwikaki 0
It's cool to love to win, but it's better to hate to lose.
HansK
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
249 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-14 01:39:42
September 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#419
On September 14 2011 10:30 Toadvine wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2011 10:24 HansK wrote:
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote:
Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.


It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted.


And what will you do after you scout the 1/1/1? If you throw down the expo, then you'll end up at the same place as a 1 Gate FE, but with a worse economy. If you 1 base, you'll maybe beat a bad player who just blindly all-ins, but lose horribly to someone who can transition out of it.

Besides, I think you'd find a good amount of people willing to take your money if anyone believed you were serious.


I am 100% serious. Anyone can PM me to set it up if they like, I'll be willing to let a moderator hold the money.

It's simple, you scout if they're going gasless expand, and if so you can 1 gate FE. If you see gas go 1 gate robo or 1 gate stargate and scout. If they're going 1-1-1 [the phoenix comes out roughly the same time as their starport is going up] you prepare with a 1 base zealot phoenix. You can keep scouting to see if they attempt to go a CC and follow it up with an expand your self.

You stay very equal and you will not die to the 1-1-1. Like I said, I'll play any terran player that is going 1-1-1 and hold it off with a build that has an option to expand if they are going gasless expand.

You can 100% no doubt hold off 1-1-1 with one base. The trick is to use your phoenix to keep scouting when he moves out and engage him int he middle of the map. If you let them build 2 bunkers and siege up while you're sitting on top of your ramp you might lose, other wise you won't lose.
Bayyne
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1967 Posts
September 14 2011 01:38 GMT
#420
On September 14 2011 10:37 Crowned wrote:
Idra 2 : Destiny 0
Sheth 2 : incontrol 0
Tyler 2 : Slush 1
Major 2 : Kiwikaki 0


Thanks for this update!
Remember not only to say the right thing in the right place, but far more difficult still, to leave unsaid the wrong thing at the tempting moment.
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