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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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Risen
United States7927 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:15 slicknav wrote: They mentioned he was a former member of sixjax, but the picture/info they used for him stated that his team was sixjax. No, they mentioned he used to be on the Korean clan Gosi, which explains his tag in game. Try again. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:17 Ladnil wrote: To be fair, every opening is scary against 1/1/1. I guess, but there are other Terran openings which are much better against 1 Gate FE, like 2 rax for instance. | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
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HansK
249 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:15 Toadvine wrote: Artosis saying the double gas 1 Gate FE is scary against 1/1/1, when it's actually the best normal opening against it.  It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted. | ||
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GreyKnight
United States4720 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:23 Maghetti wrote: It is pretty annoying to constantly hear english commentators say that builds that are reactions to 1/1/1 are risky against the 1/1/1 :/. yes, nobody seems to really understand not even artosis. it made me sad when he said you have to 1 base vs a standard 1-1-1... | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:24 HansK wrote: It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted. Nonsense. It is well established that the only way to get enough units to hold is a 2 base economy with a paid off 2nd nexus. The sooner you get the nexus the faster it pays off. 1/1/1 is not a reaction to greedy play, greedy play is a reaction to the 1/1/1. Please stop spreading this crap. | ||
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Toadvine
Poland2234 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:24 HansK wrote: It's terrible and will lose every single time to a well 1/1/1. The safest opening a protoss has is 1 gate stargate and 1 gate robo and both can hold off 1-1-1 and I'll be willing to play paypal games vs anyone going that build and I will not prepare for 1-1-1 until scouted. And what will you do after you scout the 1/1/1? If you throw down the expo, then you'll end up at the same place as a 1 Gate FE, but with a worse economy. If you 1 base, you'll maybe beat a bad player who just blindly all-ins, but lose horribly to someone who can transition out of it. Besides, I think you'd find a good amount of people willing to take your money if anyone believed you were serious. | ||
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Cel.erity
United States4890 Posts
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rolfe
United Kingdom1266 Posts
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TheChostoProject
Mexico96 Posts
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Alpino
Brazil4390 Posts
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Dingobloo
Australia1903 Posts
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Spicy Pepper
United States632 Posts
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:30 Toadvine wrote: And what will you do after you scout the 1/1/1? If you throw down the expo, then you'll end up at the same place as a 1 Gate FE, but with a worse economy. If you 1 base, you'll maybe beat a bad player who just blindly all-ins, but lose horribly to someone who can transition out of it. Besides, I think you'd find a good amount of people willing to take your money if anyone believed you were serious. Exactly. Because you need 2 bases paid off to have enough units, the sooner you have an expand the better. If you 1base it, they contain and expand themselves. So you "hold" it...maybe but lose because you didn't get a 2nd base. You have to have a 2nd base paid off or you lose. | ||
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-Strider-
Mexico1605 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:33 Spicy Pepper wrote: Idra v Sheth and Tyler v Major next round. A couple of interesting matchups. First one can go either way, the other match up is Major favored. | ||
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Rarak
Australia631 Posts
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Crowned
United States368 Posts
Sheth 2 : incontrol 0 Tyler 2 : Slush 1 Major 2 : Kiwikaki 0 | ||
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HansK
249 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:30 Toadvine wrote: And what will you do after you scout the 1/1/1? If you throw down the expo, then you'll end up at the same place as a 1 Gate FE, but with a worse economy. If you 1 base, you'll maybe beat a bad player who just blindly all-ins, but lose horribly to someone who can transition out of it. Besides, I think you'd find a good amount of people willing to take your money if anyone believed you were serious. I am 100% serious. Anyone can PM me to set it up if they like, I'll be willing to let a moderator hold the money. It's simple, you scout if they're going gasless expand, and if so you can 1 gate FE. If you see gas go 1 gate robo or 1 gate stargate and scout. If they're going 1-1-1 [the phoenix comes out roughly the same time as their starport is going up] you prepare with a 1 base zealot phoenix. You can keep scouting to see if they attempt to go a CC and follow it up with an expand your self. You stay very equal and you will not die to the 1-1-1. Like I said, I'll play any terran player that is going 1-1-1 and hold it off with a build that has an option to expand if they are going gasless expand. You can 100% no doubt hold off 1-1-1 with one base. The trick is to use your phoenix to keep scouting when he moves out and engage him int he middle of the map. If you let them build 2 bunkers and siege up while you're sitting on top of your ramp you might lose, other wise you won't lose. | ||
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On September 14 2011 10:37 Crowned wrote: Idra 2 : Destiny 0 Sheth 2 : incontrol 0 Tyler 2 : Slush 1 Major 2 : Kiwikaki 0 Thanks for this update! | ||
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