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Crying
Profile Joined February 2011
Bulgaria778 Posts
September 06 2011 17:02 GMT
#81
im gonna be so upset if MC drops to code a .....blizz?
Determination~ Hard Work Surpass NATURAL GENIUS!
Bagi
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany6799 Posts
September 06 2011 17:03 GMT
#82
Kill em all, Losira!
zerious
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada3803 Posts
September 06 2011 17:03 GMT
#83
On September 07 2011 02:02 Crying wrote:
im gonna be so upset if MC drops to code a .....blizz?


did you not see all the protoss players qualifying for Code-A?
Logros
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9913 Posts
September 06 2011 17:04 GMT
#84
Losira will win everything and Jjaki will 1-base all-in MC so I don't see MC going through.
Vardant
Profile Joined November 2010
Czech Republic620 Posts
September 06 2011 17:06 GMT
#85
On September 07 2011 01:47 Poopi wrote:
When I said "which terran need to 1-1-1 MC to win anyways lol?" I meant Jjakji and the potential code S terrans, because Noblesse is code S and 8-9 in TvP and still beat MC without 1-1-1.

The problem isn't, that he would most likely lose against 1/1/1, but the constant threat, that as a Protoss, you might get 1/1/1 on almost every map and it severely hinders your game plan. Not to mention how stressful it is.

I was hoping the patch would hit live before the Up/Down...
Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
September 06 2011 17:07 GMT
#86
Please make it through, Losira and MC <3
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:13:02
September 06 2011 17:08 GMT
#87
On September 07 2011 02:04 Logros wrote:
Losira will win everything and Jjaki will 1-base all-in MC so I don't see MC going through.


I think Losira and Jjakji can both beat MC. He absolutely has to defeat Check and Kyrix, and has to either beat Losira or Jjakji to have a chance. Not an easy task.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:24:44
September 06 2011 17:12 GMT
#88
On September 07 2011 02:06 Vardant wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 07 2011 01:47 Poopi wrote:
When I said "which terran need to 1-1-1 MC to win anyways lol?" I meant Jjakji and the potential code S terrans, because Noblesse is code S and 8-9 in TvP and still beat MC without 1-1-1.

The problem isn't, that he would most likely lose against 1/1/1, but the constant threat, that as a Protoss, you might get 1/1/1 on almost every map and it severely hinders your game plan. Not to mention how stressful it is.

I was hoping the patch would hit live before the Up/Down...


Yes -- this is the core problem with dealing with the 1-1-1. The counters to 1-1-1 (as shit as they are) can be build order losses vs 2Rax. Incredibly, a 1-1-1 that comes after a FAILED 1-1-1 with SCV's (see IEM Finals Game 1) can still kill a Protoss player if he assumes he is safe and chooses to tech. (Usually not a bad assumption vs 1 base all-ins)

Vs Noblesse: MC used a build that could have had success vs 1-1-1, but could not aptly deal with a Medivac timing.

It's not about whether or not a Terran chooses to use 1-1-1, it's the fact that it is a constant threat which requires very specific responses to have a chance at stopping it.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Lorch
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany3682 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:20:51
September 06 2011 17:19 GMT
#89
From a protoss perspective I can only agree to what has been said here about 1/1/1, I am at a point where I wait till my fucking observer pops from the robo I build after my gate to see what terran is doing before I throw down any expansion, that in itself already puts me behind if say terran goes 1 wrax fe and denies scouting via probe. I hoped 1.4 would hit before up & downs to allow some more protoss in code s, but hey looking at all the toss that made it through the qualifiers I have high hopes for next seasons up & downs.
qijie7007
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia39 Posts
September 06 2011 17:25 GMT
#90
no more terran in code S pls...
just realize that GSL Aug got 17 terran out of 32 players...
that is too much.... so.. definately hope for any players except Jjakji..
frequency
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Australia1901 Posts
September 06 2011 17:28 GMT
#91
MC AND CHECK, I BELIEVE.
www.twitter.com/marconofrio | marconofrio.tumblr.com
stipe145
Profile Joined December 2010
764 Posts
September 06 2011 17:29 GMT
#92
This group going to be interesting. I think Check and Kyrix have 0 chance coz Zerg no 1-1-1. Losira vs JJakji vs Mc should be interesting.
Oboeman
Profile Joined January 2011
Canada3980 Posts
September 06 2011 17:32 GMT
#93
noblesse's build wasn't 1-1-1 but it was a marine centric one-base all-in. same difference. I'm sure it's more directly counterable than the real 1-1-1 with banshees and tanks, but you don't know which one is coming and either one kills you very easily.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
September 06 2011 17:37 GMT
#94
The order of these games is very critical too, because if someone goes 3-0 he may not have to play his last game. Unfortunately Losira and MC have to play each other first, so someone is going to start with a loss already.
QTIP.
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2113 Posts
September 06 2011 17:41 GMT
#95
On September 07 2011 02:32 Oboeman wrote:
noblesse's build wasn't 1-1-1 but it was a marine centric one-base all-in. same difference. I'm sure it's more directly counterable than the real 1-1-1 with banshees and tanks, but you don't know which one is coming and either one kills you very easily.


Yes - this is correct.
"Trash Micro but Win. Its Marin." - Min Chul
Swad1000
Profile Joined January 2011
United States366 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:43:57
September 06 2011 17:43 GMT
#96
Hopefully Mc will suprise us all with a way to deal with terran if the 1 base occurs. After rewatching that puma game on Xnc seeing those immortals in the back not doing anything for 15 seconds made me want to punch my monitor out.
sitromit
Profile Joined June 2011
7051 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-06 17:50:41
September 06 2011 17:49 GMT
#97
MC vs Jjakji is the last game, it probably won't even come to that, it's never gone to the last game so far in this new up-and-down format. It's going to depend more on how MC and Jjakji do against Zergs, than each other.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 06 2011 17:52 GMT
#98
Please let it be MC and Losira.
KoTakUEurO
Profile Joined May 2011
605 Posts
September 06 2011 17:56 GMT
#99
on paper, the only outcome would be MC and Losira.
but Jjakji may come from behind and impress, it's possible...
maybe even Check, although i doubt it
and Kyrix should get destroyed here
j3i
Profile Joined February 2011
United States357 Posts
September 06 2011 17:58 GMT
#100
On September 07 2011 01:29 Fig wrote:
Ugh. Checking the map stats, MC pretty much got the worst map+matchup for each game he plays.

Xel'Naga Fortress
ZvP: 8-6 (57.1%)

Antiga Shipyard 1.1
ZvP: 3-0 (100%)

Terminus SE
ZvP: 22-7 (75.9%)

Metalopolis 1.1
PvT:17-24 (41.5%)

Although to be fair, protoss-favored maps are few and far between.
Edited to look nicer


That's disheartening.. hope he can make it
I am an idiot who knows only about gaming, so there is nothing private to talk about to begin with. - Bisu
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