EPT[GSL] August Up&Down Day 2 - Page 5
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On September 07 2011 02:02 Crying wrote: im gonna be so upset if MC drops to code a .....blizz? did you not see all the protoss players qualifying for Code-A? | ||
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Logros
Netherlands9913 Posts
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Vardant
Czech Republic620 Posts
On September 07 2011 01:47 Poopi wrote: When I said "which terran need to 1-1-1 MC to win anyways lol?" I meant Jjakji and the potential code S terrans, because Noblesse is code S and 8-9 in TvP and still beat MC without 1-1-1. The problem isn't, that he would most likely lose against 1/1/1, but the constant threat, that as a Protoss, you might get 1/1/1 on almost every map and it severely hinders your game plan. Not to mention how stressful it is. I was hoping the patch would hit live before the Up/Down... | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On September 07 2011 02:04 Logros wrote: Losira will win everything and Jjaki will 1-base all-in MC so I don't see MC going through. I think Losira and Jjakji can both beat MC. He absolutely has to defeat Check and Kyrix, and has to either beat Losira or Jjakji to have a chance. Not an easy task. | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On September 07 2011 02:06 Vardant wrote: The problem isn't, that he would most likely lose against 1/1/1, but the constant threat, that as a Protoss, you might get 1/1/1 on almost every map and it severely hinders your game plan. Not to mention how stressful it is. I was hoping the patch would hit live before the Up/Down... Yes -- this is the core problem with dealing with the 1-1-1. The counters to 1-1-1 (as shit as they are) can be build order losses vs 2Rax. Incredibly, a 1-1-1 that comes after a FAILED 1-1-1 with SCV's (see IEM Finals Game 1) can still kill a Protoss player if he assumes he is safe and chooses to tech. (Usually not a bad assumption vs 1 base all-ins) Vs Noblesse: MC used a build that could have had success vs 1-1-1, but could not aptly deal with a Medivac timing. It's not about whether or not a Terran chooses to use 1-1-1, it's the fact that it is a constant threat which requires very specific responses to have a chance at stopping it. | ||
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Lorch
Germany3691 Posts
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qijie7007
Malaysia39 Posts
just realize that GSL Aug got 17 terran out of 32 players... that is too much.... so.. definately hope for any players except Jjakji.. | ||
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frequency
Australia1901 Posts
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stipe145
764 Posts
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Oboeman
Canada3980 Posts
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sitromit
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
On September 07 2011 02:32 Oboeman wrote: noblesse's build wasn't 1-1-1 but it was a marine centric one-base all-in. same difference. I'm sure it's more directly counterable than the real 1-1-1 with banshees and tanks, but you don't know which one is coming and either one kills you very easily. Yes - this is correct. | ||
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Swad1000
United States366 Posts
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sitromit
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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KoTakUEurO
605 Posts
but Jjakji may come from behind and impress, it's possible... maybe even Check, although i doubt it and Kyrix should get destroyed here | ||
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j3i
United States357 Posts
On September 07 2011 01:29 Fig wrote: Ugh. Checking the map stats, MC pretty much got the worst map+matchup for each game he plays. Xel'Naga Fortress ZvP: 8-6 (57.1%) Antiga Shipyard 1.1 ZvP: 3-0 (100%) Terminus SE ZvP: 22-7 (75.9%) Metalopolis 1.1 PvT:17-24 (41.5%) Although to be fair, protoss-favored maps are few and far between. Edited to look nicer That's disheartening.. hope he can make it | ||
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