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Winners~~
Nestea
Nada
Ryung (He will 1/1/1 at least one game)
Hongun
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Wish Tastosis would've stuck around for one more day before leaving for MLG. There really is too big of a gap between the caster combos.
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On August 24 2011 15:44 FunnelC4kes wrote:
Nada > HuK
It is known.
Not by me!
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Oh boy what a day. Great matchups.
Quick predictions:
Nestea 2-1 (wish thinking, afraid that MVP might 2-0 him tho)
Nada 2-1
Ryung 2-0
July 2-1
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Today's matchup is so sick.
my liquibets:
Nestea < MVP
HuK < nada
Ryung < Puzzle
July < Hongun
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Groundbreaking news: By checking the time every 5 seconds you can make time go slower.
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On August 24 2011 16:27 stipe145 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 16:15 Montana[TK] wrote:On August 24 2011 15:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 24 2011 15:22 Montana[TK] wrote:On August 24 2011 15:10 Tsubbi wrote:
I just rewatched the Clash of MVP vs Nestea in the GSL January Season and realized what joke maps they played on.
First was XelNaga, which nowadays is downvoted by each and every Zerg, at that time the downvote had to be saved for even worse maps. Nestea even won than game lol.
2nd map was close position on the backrock version of Shakuras (-> LOL)
3rd map was on Blistering Sands and MVP won with a 2 rax bunker rush, this was probably the most fair map in the series.
Because the last map was freaking Jungle Basin, cannot believe what kind of awful maps were used just a few months ago.
MVP won that series 3-1, but even the most die hard terran fan has to admit that this series couldn't determine the better player.
Today we will finally see the 2 best players in the world duke it out on relatively good maps (sadly it's not a bo5 or even bo7). XNC is an ok map for ZvT, the rush distance is fairly long and there's plenty of counter attack paths. JB is ofcourse a BS map, but NesTea had a fighting chance until he critically blundered and flew a ton of mutas over Mvp's marine ball. Blistering is - according to IdrA - a Zerg favored map in ZvT, Shakuras 1.1 is a coinflip of either awesome Zerg map or awesome Terran map. The maps favored Mvp, but he still was the better player in that series, NesTea often made unforced errors (such as the Muta mistake or making 4 spores against 1 banshee on Shakuras) and didn't have an answer to Mvp. I expect Mvp to take it 2-0, mainly because he doesn't want to have to play on Tal'Darim. NesTea looked like a middle-rate Zerg in his last ZvT games against MMA, Ensnare, Happy and TOP, either losing or winning barely against opponents he should be considered a clear favorite against. Just no.... I'll agree on Xel'naga but that's it. I strongly doubt idra called Blistering favored for zerg. I distinctly remember him bitching about it. Hell, he lost that map narrowly to MVP himself in gsl3 because of the advantageous siege positions that terrans have over the gold on that map. Furthermore, this is one of the maps that was highly prone to the double bunker wall off. The reason we have a supply depot at the ramp now in the gsl and the reason nestea lost this one. The fact that he even had a fighting chance against MVP on basin should be a testament to his skill. I doubt the mutas would have saved him anyway. Yea maybe shakuras 1.1 was a coin flip, and it landed in MVP's favor with those positions. Finally, do you even watch the gsl? He 2-0'd ensnare with mass infestors, the games were not even close. Against Happy, the game was closer than it needed to be only because nestea got too overzealous. Top played super cheesy, and it even looked like nestea would come back after losing almost everything on bel'shir. Funny thing is, he actually DID come back after losing a hatchery and a ton of drones in the next game. MMA outplayed him admittedly :/ Yeah I watch GSL LOL IdrA often picked Blistering against Terrans early in BoX because he liked it ZvT and surprised me when he explained why on SotG (The Terran being slightly helpless against Ling/Muta styles once Z gets to 3base). You even saw IdrA act on what he said by rushing to 3base on Ling/Speedbane on that map against Mvp and getting the crap abused out of him by Mvp's sieged tanks (like he should be). NesTea said in an interview that he played Infestors against Ensnare because he felt so helpless. Sorry but NesTea who is heralded the God of Zerg feeling helpless coming up to a match against Ensnare, whose sole accomplishment is pretty much an all-kill in Beta using Reapers, is pretty ridiculous. Yes NesTea is humble, but in reality he shouldn't even have to practice or think about BOs in order to slap a Terran of Ensnare's caliber down. Ensnare played plain wrong against the Infestor style and opened himself up to get overrun, instead of emphasizing drops & expansions. Also TOP didn't play super cheesy LOL I urge you to take your bias-hat off and try and look at games objectively. TOP opened with a simple hellion into banshee harass-heavy into expand BO and NesTea had huge trouble holding it off. Even Line, who TOP faced then had more success against that build, maybe NesTea should check out the Dual Sight game in order to learn how to hold it ... I mean walling against Hellions with a ling WTF? NesTea said afterwards that he didn't get any sleep the night before, but combined with his huge troubles agains Terran (83% of his losses come from Terran), that surely wasn't the only reason. Edit: Also NesTea was never coming back on Bel'Shir, I was actually completely floored when I saw that he couldn't hold a simple bunker rush. Top did not play super cheesy. But, a thing proving Nestea is so good is this: after losing a Hatch, a ton of drones, and building a ton of lings he keeps going. Against a lesser Terran he would win. He did manage to win on Crossfire with godly play after pumping 6 spores and losing a ton of drones. This is the best proof of his strength. Nobody else defeated such a strong player with being 20-30 supply behind. Not Mc,Mvp,Bomber,MMA. I can not even remember a similiar game from Jaedong or Savior, Bisu or NalRa, Flash or IloveOoV. Mvp is strong and I think he is close to Nestea but these who think Nestea is bad vsT are fools.
If you want to talk about sick comebacks you should be talking about DRG. He's actually the only player where I was so sure he was dead, that I alt-tabbed out of the game, only to come back 10 minutes later and find out he actually won, not once but TWICE. First time was against JYP in the LG tourney, second time was against GanZI in GSTL on Dual Sight. The leads of his opponents weren't as big as the 60 supply lead TOP had on NesTea on Crossfire but they weren't leads that could be solved by burrowing banelings and then hoping your opponent does that only thing that can lose in that situation, walking around the map without scanning properly or making a raven, but leads that relied on huge refinement in macro and decision making.
NesTea surely isn't bad at TvZ but it certainly is his weakest MU.
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I'm gonna say MVP will "surprise" some and win against Nestea today. 2-0 MVP
HuK vs Nada isn't easy to predict, but im going to say HuK. Even tho i love Nada (<3) HuK deserves to advance to play against MVP/Nestea in my eyes! 2-1 For HuK. FIGHTING! (no, i'm not saying that Nada doesn't deserve to advance..)
The rest: Ruyng 2-1 over Puzzle
July 2-0 against HongUn.
Can't wait for this round to start. So many great players and so many greats matches!
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Go huk :D NaDa will be easemode for your PvT! fighting! :D
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NaDa will own this little canadian kid.
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Just realised that if Nestea wins MVP today, there is no one stopping him from winning the GSL. Now with MMA and Bomber gone, there just isn't anyone left who is on par with Nestea.
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I hope Nestea, Huk and July win.... at least a few non terran heroes to the RO8..
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So damn hyped for match 1, feels like friday night football!
Any aussies agree??
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On August 24 2011 16:53 Montana[TK] wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 16:27 stipe145 wrote:On August 24 2011 16:15 Montana[TK] wrote:On August 24 2011 15:47 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:On August 24 2011 15:22 Montana[TK] wrote:On August 24 2011 15:10 Tsubbi wrote:
I just rewatched the Clash of MVP vs Nestea in the GSL January Season and realized what joke maps they played on.
First was XelNaga, which nowadays is downvoted by each and every Zerg, at that time the downvote had to be saved for even worse maps. Nestea even won than game lol.
2nd map was close position on the backrock version of Shakuras (-> LOL)
3rd map was on Blistering Sands and MVP won with a 2 rax bunker rush, this was probably the most fair map in the series.
Because the last map was freaking Jungle Basin, cannot believe what kind of awful maps were used just a few months ago.
MVP won that series 3-1, but even the most die hard terran fan has to admit that this series couldn't determine the better player.
Today we will finally see the 2 best players in the world duke it out on relatively good maps (sadly it's not a bo5 or even bo7). XNC is an ok map for ZvT, the rush distance is fairly long and there's plenty of counter attack paths. JB is ofcourse a BS map, but NesTea had a fighting chance until he critically blundered and flew a ton of mutas over Mvp's marine ball. Blistering is - according to IdrA - a Zerg favored map in ZvT, Shakuras 1.1 is a coinflip of either awesome Zerg map or awesome Terran map. The maps favored Mvp, but he still was the better player in that series, NesTea often made unforced errors (such as the Muta mistake or making 4 spores against 1 banshee on Shakuras) and didn't have an answer to Mvp. I expect Mvp to take it 2-0, mainly because he doesn't want to have to play on Tal'Darim. NesTea looked like a middle-rate Zerg in his last ZvT games against MMA, Ensnare, Happy and TOP, either losing or winning barely against opponents he should be considered a clear favorite against. Just no.... I'll agree on Xel'naga but that's it. I strongly doubt idra called Blistering favored for zerg. I distinctly remember him bitching about it. Hell, he lost that map narrowly to MVP himself in gsl3 because of the advantageous siege positions that terrans have over the gold on that map. Furthermore, this is one of the maps that was highly prone to the double bunker wall off. The reason we have a supply depot at the ramp now in the gsl and the reason nestea lost this one. The fact that he even had a fighting chance against MVP on basin should be a testament to his skill. I doubt the mutas would have saved him anyway. Yea maybe shakuras 1.1 was a coin flip, and it landed in MVP's favor with those positions. Finally, do you even watch the gsl? He 2-0'd ensnare with mass infestors, the games were not even close. Against Happy, the game was closer than it needed to be only because nestea got too overzealous. Top played super cheesy, and it even looked like nestea would come back after losing almost everything on bel'shir. Funny thing is, he actually DID come back after losing a hatchery and a ton of drones in the next game. MMA outplayed him admittedly :/ Yeah I watch GSL LOL IdrA often picked Blistering against Terrans early in BoX because he liked it ZvT and surprised me when he explained why on SotG (The Terran being slightly helpless against Ling/Muta styles once Z gets to 3base). You even saw IdrA act on what he said by rushing to 3base on Ling/Speedbane on that map against Mvp and getting the crap abused out of him by Mvp's sieged tanks (like he should be). NesTea said in an interview that he played Infestors against Ensnare because he felt so helpless. Sorry but NesTea who is heralded the God of Zerg feeling helpless coming up to a match against Ensnare, whose sole accomplishment is pretty much an all-kill in Beta using Reapers, is pretty ridiculous. Yes NesTea is humble, but in reality he shouldn't even have to practice or think about BOs in order to slap a Terran of Ensnare's caliber down. Ensnare played plain wrong against the Infestor style and opened himself up to get overrun, instead of emphasizing drops & expansions. Also TOP didn't play super cheesy LOL I urge you to take your bias-hat off and try and look at games objectively. TOP opened with a simple hellion into banshee harass-heavy into expand BO and NesTea had huge trouble holding it off. Even Line, who TOP faced then had more success against that build, maybe NesTea should check out the Dual Sight game in order to learn how to hold it ... I mean walling against Hellions with a ling WTF? NesTea said afterwards that he didn't get any sleep the night before, but combined with his huge troubles agains Terran (83% of his losses come from Terran), that surely wasn't the only reason. Edit: Also NesTea was never coming back on Bel'Shir, I was actually completely floored when I saw that he couldn't hold a simple bunker rush. Top did not play super cheesy. But, a thing proving Nestea is so good is this: after losing a Hatch, a ton of drones, and building a ton of lings he keeps going. Against a lesser Terran he would win. He did manage to win on Crossfire with godly play after pumping 6 spores and losing a ton of drones. This is the best proof of his strength. Nobody else defeated such a strong player with being 20-30 supply behind. Not Mc,Mvp,Bomber,MMA. I can not even remember a similiar game from Jaedong or Savior, Bisu or NalRa, Flash or IloveOoV. Mvp is strong and I think he is close to Nestea but these who think Nestea is bad vsT are fools. If you want to talk about sick comebacks you should be talking about DRG. He's actually the only player where I was so sure he was dead, that I alt-tabbed out of the game, only to come back 10 minutes later and find out he actually won, not once but TWICE. First time was against JYP in the LG tourney, second time was against GanZI in GSTL on Dual Sight. The leads of his opponents weren't as big as the 60 supply lead TOP had on NesTea on Crossfire but they weren't leads that could be solved by burrowing banelings and then hoping your opponent does that only thing that can lose in that situation, walking around the map without scanning properly or making a raven, but leads that relied on huge refinement in macro and decision making. NesTea surely isn't bad at TvZ but it certainly is his weakest MU.
I remember his comeback against Ganzi, but did not see this game against JYP. What happened there?
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So pumped for today's matches.
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no TvT in sight. 
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Ryoung does a lot of 1-1-1. So if Puzzle can FE I guess he might be able to pull a win. Puzzle is definitely the better player, hope he advances
July vs Hongun is going to be fun. Battle of the best cheese
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On August 24 2011 17:04 namste wrote:
Just realised that if Nestea wins MVP today, there is no one stopping him from winning the GSL. Now with MMA and Bomber gone, there just isn't anyone left who is on par with Nestea.
♥Keen♥ is the new big thing! :p
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