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major is like the king of spamming ghosts against protoss :D
he should have no problem with destiny
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major will probably win 3-1, but I'm really cheering for destiny. i'd love it if he takes the win.
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On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? Show nested quote +You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to.
Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to?
Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed.
I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this.
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Can't wait for this, not sure who to root for.
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On August 24 2011 09:24 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to. Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to? Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed. I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this.
LA only tourney. His competetion was weak. Any other good NA player could enter if eligible and win just as easily (huk idra sheth etc) in MLG his placements are average at best. (You know, when theres good competition.)
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On August 24 2011 09:24 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to. Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to? Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed. I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this.
It seems to me that you are the one who does not understand logic.
All you have done is claim that he demonstrates great play in his games, yet where are the tournament results? He was the only good player in the LA invitational. When has he shown he can compete with top tier American or European players? At MLG he certainly hasn't.
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I agree that Hider is incredibly arrogant, but he isn't far off calling Major the best NA player... I'd say only Idra is mechanically superior as far as North America goes. I think it's probably Idra > Huk > Select > Major in terms of skill. I think Major has yet to prove himself worthy of being in the same sentence as them though. But with time!
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On August 24 2011 10:07 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:24 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to. Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to? Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed. I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this. LA only tourney. His competetion was weak. Any other good NA player could enter if eligible and win just as easily (huk idra sheth etc) in MLG his placements are average at best. (You know, when theres good competition.)
Thats the thing its hard to get out of the open bracket. Alicia couldnt get out. Does that mean hes any worse then the people in pool play? No. I would bet money that Major can take on more than half of the pool players ez.
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The open bracket is full of complete nobodies until the later rounds. He beats a slew of bad players and then loses when he runs into real competition.
I agree that he is one of the best players in NA, but it's ridiculous to claim that he is better than the likes of Huk, Idra, Sheth, Select, etc without any direct evidence.
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On August 24 2011 10:13 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 10:07 Jinivus wrote:On August 24 2011 09:24 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to. Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to? Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed. I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this. LA only tourney. His competetion was weak. Any other good NA player could enter if eligible and win just as easily (huk idra sheth etc) in MLG his placements are average at best. (You know, when theres good competition.) Thats the thing its hard to get out of the open bracket. Alicia couldnt get out. Does that mean hes any worse then the people in pool play? No. I would bet money that Major can take on more than half of the pool players ez.
Major has already gotten to championship bracket in MLG, he's proven he can compete, while Destiny loses to random NA semi-pros. (Darkcell, Edge, State). I like Destiny, but most of his results are either showmatches, random customs, and a tournament that nobody really cares about anymore. Major doesn't really participate in weekly cups, so of course he isn't going to have many "tournament wins". However, in the tourneys that actually matter, like MLG and Blizzcon qualifiers, he performs. Also, killer, catz, capoch, etc are still better than the people Destiny loses to in open bracket.
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On August 24 2011 08:53 radiantshadow92 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 08:39 Supamang wrote:
Major probably gonna win this, but im rooting for Destiny. Majors an angry, immature kid who may deserve respect as a gamer but sure as hell doesnt deserve respect as a person for what? smurfing in a tourney? so evil lol
uh yea actually, and for how he responded to people trying to kick him out for smurfing in a tourney. who the hell calls a coordinator a fag because he caught you trying to cheat? I didnt say it was "evil", I said it was immature. and thats not his only instance of douchebaggery. stop being condescending and stop putting words in my mouth
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Major's probably the strongest player in the Americas and Destiny struggles against the oddly-timed rampant aggression that Major loves.
Though Destiny can pull off miracle wins against pretty much anyone.
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If Major prepares or takes the showmatch seriously at all he'll win 3-0. If not he'll win 3-2.
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Pretty easy to guess who is going to win this thing. Major will 3-0 with no problem. He'll even make his marines dance for all the Destiny fangirls.
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Major made it out of open bracket and into pool play at his 1st event in MLG Columbus. He plowed through axslav, spades, and tyler with no problem. In pool play he dominated incontrol and narrowly lost to ret, and he is top 3 NA player. He just won 10k vs catz and dkiller, who aren't really pushovers, and he was a beast at BW, and was up there with IdrA and ret. 3-0 for Major.
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So long as Major plays aggressively, I think it should be 3-0 or 3-1. I've seen Destiny beat Major on the ladder before, but only in longer games where Major failed to apply much successful pressure. Should Destiny manage to get to the late game I think the games will be closer than people would think, however.
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On August 24 2011 09:24 Hider wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to. Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to? Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed. I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this.
This reminds of a religious debate in which the Christian demands the Atheist to prove that god doesn't exist. He's saying the burden of proof lies on you. He's not going to prove someone is better than Major, you have to prove Major is the best. How do you do that? Tournament results however, every tournament Major has entered he has rather poorly. Beating LA scrubs is no accomplishment. Dignitas Killer is pretty good but thats it.
That said I have nothing against Major. He's really good but Select, Kiwi, Huk, Idra would easily beat him. I'd even put someone like Slush above Major.
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Come to think of it, has there been any official statement by Major or sixjax about the smurfing affair in the SEA tournament?
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Betting on Destiny...................literally 5$ with a friend
come on man win me money!
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On August 24 2011 21:59 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2011 09:24 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 05:17 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 05:08 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:43 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:40 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 03:06 Bagi wrote:On August 24 2011 03:02 Hider wrote:On August 24 2011 02:54 Bagi wrote:
Major is probably the best NA terran with Select, and he should know Destinys style pretty well by now.
Major to win 3-1. Major is the best NA player. His macro and multittasking is not seen better by any other foreigner. I don't think he has enough actual accomplishments to be considered above Huk and Idra. But yeah, he's good. Tournaments won =/ skills. If you have a good understanding of the game you can look at how a player play and make a better judgement of the players skill level. Whatever dude. You won't find many people agreeing with that notion, but I'm sure you have a better understanding of the game than all of them. Learn to argue by using logic please. Argue? With your logic I could say any random player, for example Drewbie, is the best on NA and reason it with arbitrary "understanding of the game". No other progamer is calling Major the best player on NA, nor does he have any significant results to make a case for it. Your logic is "I think he's the best, so that makes him the best". How is that good arguing? You could start by analysing majors weakness's compared to other NA players you find better, and argue why major isn't the best. If you cant do that, dont bother trying to argue who is better than major. When someone is claiming that a relatively underperforming player is better than his peers at the game, the burden of proof lies on the person making that controversial claim. So go ahead, tell us what exactly makes Major better than these players he keeps losing to. Lol you obv. have no idea what your talking about. Who does major keeps losing to? Looks like: A) you have barely watched him play. B) You have no idea what tournaments he has entered. And btw he just won a 10k$ tournaments, which you prob have not noticed. I gave you a relatively simple questions. Try to argue why player x is better than major. But obv. you can't, since you need other progamers to tell you who the best players are. Thats fine dude, but then you should not participate in discussions like this. This reminds of a religious debate in which the Christian demands the Atheist to prove that god doesn't exist. He's saying the burden of proof lies on you. He's not going to prove someone is better than Major, you have to prove Major is the best. How do you do that? Tournament results however, every tournament Major has entered he has rather poorly. Beating LA scrubs is no accomplishment. Dignitas Killer is pretty good but thats it. That said I have nothing against Major. He's really good but Select, Kiwi, Huk, Idra would easily beat him. I'd even put someone like Slush above Major.
All i have to say to that is....Your going to eat those words this weekend.
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